Hillary is NOT "Done" -

[gateley]

We've thought that so many times along the way -- "THIS will be what finally does her in..." Yet she's still here. I can easily see her keep going after this latest 'last straw' incident.

I'll believe she's done when SHE says she's done, and not before.

I refuse to get my hopes up again.

[Buzz Clik]

1. Before August in Denver, the most you can hope for is a suspension of her campaign.

She will never be "done".

[Pisces]

2. She's like the terminator. However she is now powerless.

[gateley]

3. Not as powerless as I'd like --

she continues to throw a wrench in the works of us coming to a place where we can turn our focus -- as a party -- to McCain.

[hisownpetard]

4. I think this time is different. There is no way to spin this. Whatever her motivation was,

the fact is that she's made the same statement several times, on the record, so it was not an off-the-cuff remark
that can be blamed on fatigue.

And since she said it on at least three different occasions, she can't even claim to have been confused and stressed out by being
surrounded by sniper fire.

It was just plain ugly.

[gateley]

But she won't STOP.

I fully expect her to bring this to the campaign. I'd love to be wrong, but I've given up hope of any other scenario.

[hisownpetard]

13. That damn Whack-a-Mole!!!!

[Cosmocat]

39. The media has been holding water for her ...

for some time, and what I get the sense of, is that this will be where they kind of unload on her for a lot of the stuff they have been protecting her for ...

She is going to ride it out to PR and see what it looks like then, but if the media keeps her pinned to this, it will force her out ...

Again, I agree with the post that notes that this was a MASSIVE favor to BO in muting what had been a building attempt by the MSM to either force BO to take her in as his VP or to be able to hammer him for not taking her in ... Really, what this has done is killed her VP chances ...

[blm]

51. Someone REMOVE THE RUBY SLIPPERS NOW WHILE THE HOUSE IS STILL ON TOP OF HER.

That is all.

[IDemo]

5. Sorry, but this one puts her on the staircase to nowhere

She might ordinarily get past something like this with a sincere speech of apology and unity, but at this stage that would damage her only remaining strategy, which is hoping and praying for an Obama self destruction. She has nowhere left to go now but out the side door.

[gateley]

16. She's been on the staircase to nowhere for a while now.

Yet she's still here. I don't think this will do it. I'm not sure what will. A large part of the country has written her off, but until she is willing to acknowledge that, she'll be continuing on the journey.

[IDemo]

21. It's my prediction that the Super D's will resume trickling towards Obama beginning Tuesday

and that the floodgates will open soon after.

[gateley]

25. She'll dispute the number of delegates needed --

because of FL and MI -- and still march on.

[slinkerwink]

40. yep. She wants to keep those two states in limbo.

[Shae]

27. seriously, what has changed?

ABC and FOX will still attack Obama. Her supporters will apologize and excuse her for whatever she does(and attack Obama).
The only thing I could see that could really change anything is if the superdelegates start coming over to Obama in a flood, and that doesn't seem to be happening.

[gateley]

33. Good point --

The only thing that MIGHT make a difference is the SD's, and I wish to hell they'd make a move.

The only reason I can see them waiting at this point is to give the final states the opportunity to vote without a fait accompli attitude. As someone said, hopefully they will move en masse after the 3rd.

[crankychatter]

6. she meant it... her fake apology proves it... she doesn't care and I agree with the OP

she's not going anywhere willingly

only the SD s can force her out... and even THEN, with a clear presumptive nominee... she will go forward

credibility for Obama from the Party will help us in November... it's a big deal

but Clinton will be there... lurking in the fuckin bushes

[Bluebear]

7. I don't see how she possibly recovers from this, gateley.

We shall see, I guess.

[gateley]

14. She may not recover, but this won't stop her. nt

[Shae]

29. Really.

She has virtually no chance of winning and is $20+ million in debt, and that hasn't stopped her.

[CakeGrrl]

8. All we can do is wait for the supers to pledge to Obama to put him over the top

regardless of the any of the R&BC May 31 outcomes. At least that will free him up to campaign for the GE.

If she doesn't drop out (and no reasonable appeal has worked so far, and we know for sure that she's adopted the "wait and see" position), it will be interesting to see what Clinton does until August, assuming she appeals the R&BC decision that falls short of her goal.

Ideally, there'd be a way for Obama to 'lock in' an agreement with his pledged and declared superdelegates that they would not switch their convention votes. I thought Clinton had tried to do the same thing.

[Eurobabe]

9. I have to agree with you

She'll just continue to fuck things up until we don't win in November.

:mad: :mad: :grr:

[Tatiana]

10. As I've said since March, she is going to the convention with this. n/t

[WA98296]

11. She'll be done when she's convinced the party is Destroyed. Getting close.

[Warren Stupidity]

12. Oh well sure. The Zombie Express rolls on.

There is no stopping the zombie. it wants brains.

[DAGDA56]

15. No, this particular incident isn't enough to put her away...but

I think there will be a residual effect that could push away some undecideds.

[gateley]

18. Agree --

but losing delegates and supporters hasn't seemed to stop her march thus far.

[NC_Nurse]

17. You're probably right.

:-(

[LaurenG]

19. My question is until she either wins or becomes irrelevant how are we going to

get through this?

I may have to get out of dodge until November if this doesn't stop.

I can't remember ever being this angry over anything, ever. I want to be OK with all of this but I'm just not. I realize that it takes a certain tough and disciplined person to take this type of political stress and I always thought I was tough but I'm not.

I feel particularly sad because I think very fondly of many of Senator Clinton's supporters but I can't reconcile my deep distrust of Clinton with my admiration of so many DU'ers.

This was a shit storm of huge proportions and I have no idea how to get through it.

[gateley]

23. On one hand I see the argument for her staying in -

in an objective way. She's got the right. Go for it. Politics is a dirty business.

On the other hand, also in an objective way, I see what her campaign tactics have done to our Party. What it's done to her supporters and Obama's supporters.

At a time when, more than ever before, we HAVE to get a Dem into the WH, our party is warring and weakening. Just when we need to be the strongest.



:hug:

[WeDidIt]

20. She's gotta stay in

after all, as she has pointed out many times, Bobby Kennedy was assassinated.

[RazBerryBeret]

22. no, sadly, it's not over.....

[gateley]

24. Sadly, that's not too far from the truth. nt

[Yael]

26. She will bang her pots and pans all the way to the convention

And completely destroy our chances in November so that she can claim "I told you so".

[gateley]

35. OT --

Great links, Yael -- thanks.

Have you seen this site?

www.lobbydelegates.com

[Yael]

44. I will go check it out now.

Thanks!! :hi:

[slinkerwink]

41. and she wants the delegates at the Convention to vote against her so she can tell her supporters

that the Democratic Party threw her out, and to vote for McCain.

[Yael]

46. Yes -- the "strong-leader/victim-martyr" bipolar complex she is promoting.

[L0oniX]

28. Hillary isn't well done ...more like medium rare ...there is still some blood in the meat.

[Orsino]

30. I dunno. She's a little short on political currency lately...

...and if her gaffe is blown up into the Next Big Scandal, she won't shake it off as easily as she could have earlier in the campaign. Delegates are supposedly shifting away from her as we speak, so there might be a sense that this is her last mistake.

Perhaps she should be "done," but I'd be sorry to see it happen only because of this latest gotcha.

[Ichingcarpenter]

31. The Parrot is only resting!

There, he moved!

No, no.....No, 'e's stunned!


Well, o'course it was nailed there! If I hadn't nailed that bird down, it would have nuzzled up to those bars, bent 'em apart with its beak, and VOOM! Feeweeweewee!

[backscatter712]

32. Hillary's gaffe does have a silver lining.

Because she crossed the line in this way, who would blame Obama for bringing the hammer down hard on her and forcing her out.

No more "I'm just a girl!" No more playing the victim. She's gone too far, and Obama's more than justified in using every legitimate political trick in the book to force her out of the race. Don't pull punches, don't play nice, just keep hitting her until she's out for the count!

[gateley]

36. There is no way to force her out --

that's my point. She's the gift that keeps on giving.

[K Gardner]

68. Enough SDs endorsing on Tuesday could put her out. But I think

that's all that could, plus party leaders putting their foot down and flat out saying "ITS OVER".

I've lost any hope, however, in our party leaders developing backbone OR in Hillary doing the right thing.

[BREMPRO]

34. Her assassination quote was 1000 times worse than Dean's Scream.. and it ended his campaign.

nail in the coffin of a miserably run, deceptive, uninspiring campaign. Its over. lets focus on beating McShame.

[gateley]

37. The difference is,

Dean realized it and got out. Hillary won't.

[slinkerwink]

45. exactly

[Muttocracy]

61. bingo :-( nt

[Guaranteed]

38. It doesn't mean she's not done just because she doesn't act on it.

She's definitely "done," has been "done" for many weeks now.

[Doun]

42. At least everyone felt their vote counted for something...

...during this Primary.


Let it go on to the very end.

[gateley]

50. I agree with her staying in until the primaries are over.

But THEN what?

[CreekDog]

43. When Jesus returns and says to her, "it's time to go my child"

she will say (yeah, she will argue :rofl:) "it's not over yet"

[Swamp Rat]

47. Hillary's campaign ist kaput.

At this point, she can only damage the Democratic Party by continuing.

[gateley]

52. It's been that way for awhile, Swampy --

and Dem leaders have told her just that. She's still here. Kaput campaign or not, she'll carry on.

[blm]

59. Swamp Rat - quick - we need a graphic of a Dem pulling the Ruby Slippers off Hillary while

this gaffe house is sitting on top of her.

[Swamp Rat]

60. Sorry, my computer's broken.

I have limited computer/Internet access at this time. :(

[ecdab]

48. She isn't done thrashing around like a wounded boar - but her presidential

bid has failed.

[gateley]

55. Yes,

but my frustration -- and anger -- is the continued thrashing is doing us harm and we're fighting each other, rather than McCain.

[Medusa]

49. Oh she'll keep going

but she'll never again be a power or presence within the Democratic party. She's offended everyone except her hard-core base and they quite frankly, richly deserve her. Let them go purchase a desert island somewhere and appoint her Queen. That's what she wants and that's what they apparently want to.

[THUNDER HANDS]

53. I agree....Hillary will indeed do herself in

[dana_b]

54. I think it depends upon how others react and speak to her

If she gets a lot of comforting and "it's okay, you'll be fine", then I think she'll stay in. If people very close to her tell her that maybe it's time to call it a day, she may listen to them. I don't know- but this next week will not be boring. Between this and then Obama and McCain dueling, it should keep things interesting.

[formercia]

56. If Hillary's not done then it's time to turn the spit

and dab on some more BBQ sauce, cause I'm not leaving until I get my pound of flesh, well done.

[DCofVA]

57. No, she is done

She might go on pretending that it isn't over but, it is over.

[gateley]

58. Yes. We're in agreement on that --

it's over. But she's not done.

[ShortnFiery]

62. I'm with you.

HRC is IMO, a figurative character in the vein of "Serial Mom."

No, it's not nearly *DAYBREAK* until HRC is FORCED out of this race.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_sqOGo0tglU&feature=related

[kenny blankenship]

63. If ONLY you would stop defending Barack Obama, Hillbots would stop posting vile slander against him

Don't you see that ??

[ShortnFiery]

64. Mega-Kudos for the cool graphics. :-)

Kenny blankenship :yourock: :toast:

[kenny blankenship]

66. Thank you very much

but I just find these things.

[kwenu]

65. Would you like to borrow my "fork" for the sticking process to check?

[Honeycombe8]

67. Yes, she is. That she won't admit it or succumb to it doesn't change the facts.

She not only is done in the nomination primary, but her legacy is damaged because of her behavior in the primary. So is Bill's.

[4_Legs_Good]

69. She may not be done, but she is finished

David

[shadowknows69]

70. It's like our party has it's very own George Bush