Bcause NO NUT WOULD EVER HARM A WOMAN, Right?!

[LulaMay]

The accusation that Hillary Clinton raised the specter of Barack Obama being assassinated is easily proven, OUTRAGEOUS slander, meant to hurt her candidacy.

It is absurd to suggest Senator Clinton would encourage anyone to think about murdering a presidential candidate who threatens the status quo, WHEN SHE IS ONE HERSELF.

The on its FACE illogic of this latest smear campaign is astounding, to any thinking person.


CONSIDER IT:

More death threats and suggestions of violence have been made against Hillary Clinton than any Presidential candidate because she is a woman. This includes Keith Olbermann who blithely suggested some man might take her into a room and be the only one to come out. In fact, it's become so popular to joke about Senator Clinton being harmed that Cafe Press is selling T-SHIRTS that read "If only Hillary had been married OJ". T-SHIRTS.

I suppose Hillary Clinton should just as well tell her Secret Service agents to go home, because nobody would harm her, a woman who dared run for President, right? She herself would never think she might be in harms way as a female candidate, so why not plant the idea about a black man, right? How ludicrous.

Has everybody completely forgotten about Benazir Bhutto, Hillary's friend and ally?

Why on god's green Earth would a brilliant woman who is trying to break the highest glass ceiling there is ever start dropping 'hints' about assassination, period?

SHE WOULDN'T.


This is nothing less than the single most repugnant tactic to try and smear Senator Clinton yet. It is unbelievable that the media is "reporting" this if it's a story rather than an obvious Swiftboating tactic.

It is patently absurd unless you believe Hillary Clinton has a death wish or insanely low IQ.

Regarding Keith Olbermann, MSNBC must fire him now. No one who utters such egregious, dangerous slander on air about a Presidential Candidate should have their job in the next day.

He is the one making offhand, suggestive remarks about assassination,

along with Senator Obama's own wife Michelle, who suggested very directly just days ago that someone might try to kill her spouse.


WHY did she do that? (gee, thanks honey!)

Anyone paying attention KNOWS that Hillary Clinton has previously mentioned Kennedy and the primary of 1968, along with Bill Clinton's bid, as part of her argument that allowing the process to continue through June would not damage this party!

So NOW this is a huge "STORY" in the media, just as Hillary is gaining more support to remain in this contest?!

Talk about suspicious.



THESE LIES MUST STOP.

THIS IS WHAT IS RUINING THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, THE ALL OUT EFFORT TO DESTROY HILLARY CLINTON.



ENOUGH!

[Coexist]

1. give me proof that she has had more death threats.

[AuntPatsy]

73. Is that question sarcasm? If not, does it really matter who has recieved more threats?

[roguevalley]

116. show me one remark that can even be accidently be construed as

obama asking for her death. just one.

[Catchawave]

96. "threats" towards any candidate are not made public

for the safety of the candidates and those protecting them.

Trust me, I know.

[Straight Shooter]

105. Anyone who doesn't understand that fact of life has very little common sense anyway.

Releasing data to the public pertaining to threats, lol. As if the number of threats correlates with the viability of a candidate, anyway.

No need to "trust" you on that. It's a given. Appreciate your service, though. :)

[Exilednight]

107. Then you also know that Barack Obama wins this "contest" hands down. He's the first candidate......

to have a Secret Service detail that rivals the President, and there is only one way you get that kind of protection.

[JoFerret]

123. Been around longer

in the public eye. Been a target of GOP (and now some DU etc.) hatred.

The longer in politics the more the threats. Obama will catch up.

[msongs]

2. better watch out, the 'baters will get you if you don't worship properly nt

[tekisui]

6. You are one tired sad line. Get some new material.

[jgraz]

18. Seconded.

[Cooley Hurd]

49. Thirded... or tripled?

;):hi:

[Doityourself]

75. Fourthed-ed..!!! Tired, Lame, same old..I am woman, so I am a victim BS!

[rurallib]

34. What is a "'bater"?

[reflection]

72. Hey now.

I was only in the restroom for 5 minutes. :)

[JoFerret]

124. master

of the universe

[Name removed]

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[Evergreen Emerald]

16. What? Disagree with the Obama DU thugs and you are a bigot?

Stop. Really.

[dchill]

24. "Talk about suspicious."

;):shrug::eyes:

[tekisui]

4. SHe was fear mongering, nothing more.

She wasn't calling for violence or wishing for it. She was trying to sow fear into the superdelegates. The fear that Obama is not durable.

She could have made an historical analogy in dozens of ways without mentioning an assassination. She chose the worst way. Why? Surely, she has better sense that that.

[helderheid]

14. Apparently she doesn't have better sense than that.

[NYCGirl]

5. This victim mentality is getting pathological. NT

[jgraz]

29. This one's been pathological from the start

You gotta wonder how someone can confuse true feminism with these kinds of whining appeals for special consideration.

[monmouth]

7. Please furnish proof that she's "brilliant." Not from where I sit....n/t

[AuntPatsy]

79. No need to furnish proof it would be easy for you to find it yourself if you

so chose....she is brilliant, caring and "human" and to be honest with you, I am more than stunned at the venom that so many are spewing toward her.

I said last night and I feel the same way this morning, at this point in time she is extremely guilty of taking some very bad advice, considering the position she is vying for, this was not a good time for her to have not thought her actions through a bit more before plowing head first into an area she should be well aware is littered with land mines.

[JoFerret]

126. There's your problem

Sitting on that cactus is doing your insight no good at all.

[saltpoint]

8. I am herewith declaring my intention to put all my money into

freight cars because an almost unlimited number of them will be needed to haul the bullshit from all the Hillary-As-Victim posts on DU.

[reflection]

57. Old Crusoe,

You're like a glass of lemonade on a hot summer day. Every time. :)

[saltpoint]

61. Hi, reflection. We'd better share the lemonade on that hot day, though.

The traffic back up waiting for that long train to pass is going to be HUMONGUS!

:hi:

[monmouth]

101. Perhaps some good, cold, Russian Vodka added to the lemonade will help to pass the time..lol.

[meow mix]

9. you must be one hillarys posters for hire

looks like your having trouble justifying her remarks.

[doublethink]

10. Hillary Clinton is doing a good enough job of destroying herself.

[bicentennial_baby]

11. Comparing Hillary to Bhutto?

You funny. Very funny.

[AllentownJake]

30. Bhutto

Never told the Pakistani citizens that they were sexist if they didn't vote for her.

Sorry Bhutto was a real femnist Icon. Hillary is playing a victim.

[GarbagemanLB]

12. HILLARY'S A VICTIM! WAIT, She's a fighter! No, she's a victim. Wait! She's a fighter! No, she's a

victim!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[VolcanoJen]

22. She's a fighter until she's busted saying something outrageous...

... and then she, the campaign, and her supporters retreat into the Victim Stance.

It's happened so often that it's just utterly predictable at this point. This kind of behavior is the opposite of leadership, and the opposite of presidential.

[AllentownJake]

33. Thatcher, Ghandi, Bhutto, Meir

Never played the victim card. They were strong women.

Hillary doesn't deserve to be said in the same sentence with them.

[reflection]

67. That's it in a nutshell.

She's spinning in circles so rapidly her messages overlap and confuse the general public.

[AuntPatsy]

74. She is both

[beac]

113. And don't forget she's a breathmint, too!

:crazy:

[CakeGrrl]

13. It cannot be denied that she *uttered* the word "assassination" more than once

as Olbermann pointed out, to the foolish detriment of all three presidential candidates in the race.

There are terms you just don't casually bring up in certain contexts.

You don't say "bomb" at an airport.

You don't say "stalker" to celebrities.

You don't say "assassination" in the political arena.

[Maureen54]

15. news worthy

She said what she said. I think it was news worthy. Why is someone else always to blame? When does she acknowledge that she or her campaign is causing the controversies?

[ProSense]

17. Logic: Hillary is allowed to mention assassination because OP says she has received more threats

Clue: KO didn't threaten Hillary's life.

[Evergreen Emerald]

21. Clue: he suggested that someone take her in a room and he come out

He was only suggesting a beating?

[AllentownJake]

27. Hillary is the victim of her own mouth on this one

EOM

[LibraLiz1973]

88. Clue: If it is Anti-Hillary you can say WHATEVER you want!

Have you not noticed this at DU yet?

[Evergreen Emerald]

89. yes. unfortunately you are right

The double standard on DU is so very ugly. There are few "progressives" left. Rather, there are a bunch of thugs who are so full of hate that they cannot reasonably carry on a conversation without attacking anyone who disagrees.

They are actually accusing Clinton of wanting Obama dead. And they are serious. What the hell happened to DU?

[tekisui]

19. Hillary is gaining more support to stay in the race? From where?

[Waya]

20. Get your knickers untwisted......geeeez.....

....... Keith Olberman is not getting fired, so you might as well deal with that. Nobody, at least nobody sane, is suggesting that Hillary has a wish to see Obama, well, you know. But what she said and how she said it could be taken that way - and let's face it, this Primary is heated, to say the least - and there are plenty of whackos out there. She made an unfortunate comment - and yes, she should get some fall out from that, just like when Obama made the unfortunate 'Bitter' comment, which, you have to admit, Hillary exploited gleefully.

[AllentownJake]

23. More Support?

Obama gained 5 Super Delegates and she lost one on Friday. There is an organized effort from the CA delegation that supports her including Pledged delegates to get her to drop out.

Tell me other than her hardcore followers at Hillaris44 and HillaryClintonforum.net where she is gaining support.

[cbc5g]

25. Perhaps you should have defended Obama against Clintons smear tactics?

This whole thing is what happens when you run a trash and burn campaign against a respected man like Obama, a fellow DEMOCRAT. Now, Obama isn't capitalizing on this, his campaign saying it was just a gaffe. IF ONLY HILLARY HAD SAID THAT WHEN THE MEDIA WAS SMEARING OBAMA. But NO, she went on Fox News and other RW places smearing Obama and running with every RW tactic. We won't forget.

[jgraz]

31. No, Obama and his horrible male penis are fair game.

If only he'd been born a woman, anything he said would be OK. Well, as long as he also got rid of the black thing...

[jgraz]

26. OK, so she's not a vicious death-monger, just a self-destructive idiot

I can live with that.

[golddigger]

108. Of course you can live with that. Why? because you are what you write.

[jgraz]

111. I don't mind insults, but lame-ass schoolyard taunts are just pathetic

Really, you need to pick up your game a bit. :boring:

[golddigger]

128. Pot meet kettle...lol

[golddigger]

129. JUst about as pathetic as your kindergarden taunts.

:silly:

[jgraz]

131. Jeez, you took two shots and you still couldn't come up with anything clever

I can see why you're a Hillary supporter. :eyes:

[slinkerwink]

28. That's why it's not ok to use an assassination as a reference to stay in the race.

You know you would be hurt and angry if Obama said something like this to stay in the race.

[bjnumb9]

32. Not because he challenges the Satus Quo...

"It is absurd to suggest Senator Clinton would encourage anyone to think about murdering a presidential candidate who threatens the status quo, WHEN SHE IS ONE HERSELF."

But possibly because he challenges her ambition. Or because he's won the nomination. Or perhaps he's in the way of her rightful claim to the throne, as she sees it.

Whether intended or not, Clinton most definitely "raised the specter of Barack Obama being assassinated." Whether you want to recognize that or not is irrelevant. This is just another mistake in a campaign filled with them. It just gets more comical and sad as it goes, however.

[ebdarcy]

35. What is so hard to understand?

Bottom line is that she used the 1968 assassination to justify her remaining in the race, even though it is near impossible for her to win. She knows something big would have to happen for her to win the nomination now. And now we know that she is considering all possibilities. It is indefensible. It is sick, and it is heartless.

[sniffa]

36. .

[hokies4ever]

37. And round and round we go

where the spinning stops, nobody knows. :rofl:

[Inuca]

38. One of the scariest things I have read

in a long time. Depressing and sad. I cannot but wonder how many LulaMays there are out there...

[grasswire]

51. just about as many as there are Obama fans, honey

It's a nearly equal split.

[Inuca]

78. I am not a fan, I am a supporter

In spite of the hyperbole, Obama is not a rock star, but a serious and possibly visionary politician.

I know there are many Clinton supporters, that's fine. My rhetorical question (and you probably know it) was about the irrational and blinded ones. I can only hope, mainly for their own sake, that their number is small and shrinking.

I'll give the "honey" a pass, at my age I may even be flattered, whatever your sex may happen to be :-).

[Mz Pip]

39. I would have a whole lot more

sympathy for Hillary if she and her supporters didn't pile it on over every misspeak from Obama, his wife and his former pastor.

Obama has shown the grace only to issue a shsort statement regarding Hillary's latest gaffe. I wish that could have been said for Hillary when Obama made misstatements.

[TheZug]

40. This is truly delusional, and sad.

[Adelante]

41. I would like to see links backing this up

"More death threats and suggestions of violence have been made against Hillary Clinton than any Presidential candidate because she is a woman."

I don't know how many death threats either candidate has gotten or for what reason. Can you please point us to where you obtained that information? Thanks.

[hulka38]

92. Mark Shields on The News Hour, this Friday said,

"The unspoken story of this campaign have been the assassination threats against Barack Obama. It's widely known. It's widely whispered. It's widely discussed, always in private.

He had Secret Service protection earlier than any candidate in our history. He is the first African-American. I don't care who it is, who's covering an event, whether it's 75,000 people on the Portland waterfront or when he plunged into the crowd in Des Moines, there's a sense of holding their breath for fear that some lunatic could step forward."

Link http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/jan-june08/brookshields_05-23.html

The OP is just another fine example of a Clinton supporter substituting an unsubstantiated and one-sided hunch for fact.

[Adelante]

103. Thank you for the link nt

[DarienComp]

42. Oh I get it.

She was really saying "I'm staying in because I could get assassinated."

Makes perfect sense.

[dchill]

46. Ah, the scales have fallen from my eyes, as well!

It's all becoming clear! Martyr - the Ultimate Victim!

[NanceGreggs]

100. ...

... :rofl:

[dkf]

43. Hillary is destroying Hillary Clinton.

[Mooney]

44. The idea that this is all some kind of coordinated effort to detroy HRC is laughable.

If you want to make the case that people overreacted to what she said or wrongly interpreted it, that's one thing. But the idea that this is somehow a coordinated effort to smear HRC, when she made this stupid gaffe all by herself, is just fucking stupid.

[Swamp Rat]

45. How about considering African Americans and their feelings instead of political expediency.

[cornermouse]

55. Nice family picture.

I like this one too. I wish he would have run.

http://www.house.gov/conyers/

[Swamp Rat]

71. He'd make a great VP

However, I doubt an Obama/Conyers ticket would go over with a large percentage of Americans at this time.

Up until January 30th, I was hoping for an Edwards/Conyers ticket as one possibility. ;)

[Saturday]

47. It's totally mob rule. No one even cares how the remark was made..

if BO supporters can destroy Hillary with it that's all they want to do.

[cornermouse]

48. I've developed some problems as far as Michelle and

this should not be interpreted as a defense, but as far as her own comment is concerned I would guess she must have brought face to face fairly recently that the Secret Service agents are there for a reason and not merely as a campaign prop. I suspect she is or was frightened and struck out at the only enemy she could see, Hillary.

People are getting too wrapped up in this. Everybody needs to step back and cool off till their brains start working again.

[Cooley Hurd]

50. LulaMay+Air America Cruise=No Credibility...

Are you still here?:crazy:

[LaurenG]

52. I can't believe anyone would want to keep this crap going

but there you are. Everyone is always lying about Senator Clinton, she's always a victim of something.

I guess someone who wallows in victimization wouldn't be a very effective president huh...

ENOUGH is right!

[AlCzervik]

53. ice cream is delicious, you should have thrown that in as well because that has nothing to do

with what happened yesterday.

[saltpoint]

54. Ice cream is delicious, a point the OP FAILED to include in a post

which I'm assuming was conceived in a Jackson Pollack painting.

That poor Hillary Clinton. To hear her supporters tell it, rabid dogs nip at her every step and she travels under the cover of darkness to get from one place to another. How can she possibly compete? Her coffers are low. Her supes are fleeing out the back door. The cupboard's bare. Her husband won't shut his mouth. Aunt Geraldine has gone Joan Crawford and lives in her car outside of FOX News.

And what is she going to do with all those damn snow shovels?

[AlCzervik]

58. Well the snow shovels can also be used to handle all their horse manure.

Won't someone please think of the shovels?

Another op of "what the hell does this have to do with the price of cheese in Wisconsin" from Ms. Lula.


:hi: :loveya:

[saltpoint]

62. From the content of the OP I am getting that Hillary is a victim AND

a fighter, but mostly a victim.

A fighting victim, as it were.

I'm getting a humorous image of Mark Penn, Jim Carville, and Howard Wolfson, all in bib overalls, out shoveling the bullshit from the last several months of campaigning, all of them dying of old age before they're even half done.

[AlCzervik]

68. what i really like is how whenever she has a verbal vapor lock moment they all gather

round and use whatever it was to try and make her look like even more of a victim, i don't know if they know they're doing it but it's hilarious.

You know what it reminds me of? The "I'll go you one better" people. My sister in law is a classic case, you could tell her you had your leg amputated and she'd tell you that she's having both amputated.

[beac]

115. The Defeated Fictims Feces Farm -- BYO shovel!

Seriously, the amount of manure coming from Camp HRC could make the Sahara fertile.

[LSK]

56. you dont get it, Obama is the one who threatens the status quo

As far as firing Keith Olbermann, let me ask you WHO stood up to the Bush administration any more that KO in the past 7 years on MSM TV????

[against all enemies]

59. THE ALL OUT EFFORT TO DEFEND HILLARY CLINTON IS RUINING

THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. And LuLu, you have yourself to blame.

[AuntPatsy]

80. That's just plain silly, do some research. I think what bothers me most is that

these one liners that offer no substance whatsoever are only put out there for shock and value purposes nothing more.

Last I checked Sen Clinton is a registered Dem whose record proves it, in some ways I don't feel sorry for her, she has been in the business long enough to know what occurs to those foolish enough to stand front and center, what bothers me more is the unthoughtout inane vicious attacks that so called democratic individuals continue to daily pile up on her...

But again, its a game she chose to play so if she forgot the rules a time a two she cannot cry about it, what she needs to do is stand up and dust herself up and take up her starting postion or simply quit.

[Name removed]

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[Darth_Kitten]

63. Maybe can your histrionics...........nice chip on your shoulder by the way..

n/t

[reflection]

64. Better a chip than a shell casing. n/t

[mzmolly]

65. I wouldn't say she encouraged assassination, but her comment was tasteless, regardless.

Imagine Obama invoking the Bhutto murder in a discussion about this political race? I don't think it would go over very well among HRC supporters?

[CaptJasHook]

66. Obama didn't say it OP, Hillary did.

And Hillary is trying to destroy Obama's candidacy and the Progressive, Liberal activist base of the party.

[Bluerthanblue]

69. sorry Lula- in this, Hillary is the offender not the victim-

and you can't spin it to play the sexist card and have anyone with a brain agree.

Sexism and mysogny exists- I'll agree with that completely- but Hillary's failure is due to her own foolish actions, AND being the candidate less suited for the position despite her connections and name recognition.

peace~

[dailykoff]

70. And that concludes this broadcast of DU Theater of the Absurd

brought to you today by General Propaganda Mills, makers of Clinton Corn Balls and other nutritionally empty junk.

[Doityourself]

76. VICTIM! HELP ME, I'M A VICTIM!!

[Darth_Kitten]

81. I'm a Obama supporter, I'm offended by EVERYTHING!!!! Look at me!!!

:sarcasm:

[Name removed]

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[Doityourself]

86. Oh save me..I'm a VICTIM on a dialy basis....SAVE ME! HELP ME!

[Darth_Kitten]

90. You mean daily......and take a good look in the mirror.

MY parents didn't raise a victim, sweetie.

[Doityourself]

97. 'Course they did...you just don't acknowledge it. Honey Bun.

[Life Long Dem]

77. There are motives at work here.

In the mean time. Edit. That came out bad. I was going to say what Clinton said, about 'waiting' but it would sound as nutty as when she said it.

[RevolutionToday]

82. Your absolutely right op! a nutjob could harm a female candidate.

That's what makes her comments EVEN worse, it doesn't mitigate them in the slightest.

[Kahuna]

84. You need to stop with this tortured logic you're attempting to sell. nt

[dana_b]

85. you people, yes, you people...

have a one track mind. Everything is turned around to make Hillary the victim of sexism. She says a horrible thing, inferring the assassination of her opponent and you turn it around like she's some goddamned saint. Unbelievable. You really don't have a clue.

[kenny blankenship]

87. best laugh line all year: "Hillary Clinton threatens status quo" !!!!!

Fax it to Colbert and Stewart, you may get some royalties!

[jgraz]

112. Yes, she threatens to make it even more status-quoier.

[kenny blankenship]

91. Are you applying for the job?

You seem to have the first qualification nailed.

[Occam Bandage]

93. Yet again, every Clinton "misspeak" is defended with, "Hey, lay off--she's a girl!" How sexist.

[MethuenProgressive]

94. Only a sick and twisted mine could take "June" and say it meant she wants BO killed.

It's no surprise that after BO's camp hired 400 bloggers this shit gets web play.

[chascarrillo]

114. I don't think the word "June" was the problem. It may have been "ASSASSINATED", but that's a guess.

But, by all means, troll away.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

95. K&R n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

98. A self-proclaimed moderate DLCer "threatens the staus quo"?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Medusa]

99. Wow. Could i please have whatever the OP is smoking, taking,

or otherwise ingesting? That must be some good shit to actually post a diatribe like that, completely devoid of either truth or sanity.

[hfojvt]

102. insanely low IQ

You missed something. Hillary is clearly in 2nd place. A crazed fan of Steffi Graf stabbed Monica Seles. Since Seles at the time was on a winning streak against Graf, you would not expect a crazed fan of Seles to stab Graf. What would be the point? Graf was already losing.

[Cooley Hurd]

106. Appropos analogy...

:thumbsup:

[VotesForWomen]

104. the clinton-hate here on DU alone ought to cause her to fear for assassins.

[Change has come]

119. Enogh of this shit from you.

You disrupt poorly. :hi:

[democrattotheend]

109. That was part of the point Olbermann made last night

He said that by raising the spectre of assassination she could be endangering herself as well as Obama.

[Teaser]

110. She was "Friends" wih Bhutto?

Benazir Bhutto was corrupt and a fraud.

[McCamy Taylor]

117. I have been worried for Clinton. The NRA crowd really hates her.

Obama's negatives are so low it is hard to imagine anyone going after him. He is such a nice guy. But Clinton has all nasty groups like C.U.N.T. out to get her. Sometimes I would rather she just go back to the Senate the way that Ted Kennedy stayed there. I think that is why he lived as long as he did and that she will live longer if she stays in the Senate.

[Celeborn Skywalker]

118. Just STFU.

Thanks.

[DemGa]

120. Yes it is "the single most repugnant tactic to try and smear Senator Clinton yet"

Great post - too bad the truth is lost on the Obamas, who've been led on this smear campaign - an extension of the right-wing attacks. I've never seen people so delusional with hate for one woman.

[eridani]

121. Which is exactly why it was so STOOPID of her to mention assassination n/t

[Exilednight]

122. One flaw to your argument .......

You state that:


"More death threats and suggestions of violence have been made against Hillary Clinton than any Presidential candidate because she is a woman."


First off, no one can be sure of that, but anyone who knows anything about the secret service knows that you can tell who has had the most death threats by the level of their secret service detail. Obama is the only candidate who has ever had a detail that rivaled that of a sitting President. He also the only candidate to receive a detail so early in the process, about 7 months before the first vote in the process was even cast.

[Deja Q]

125. No, but what comes from nuts can get them pregnant...

:shrug:

[Honeycombe8]

127. If only the Clinton camp would learn to admit mistakes, become ethical, and move on.

If they did, they might well have clinched the nomination by now.

[northernsoul]

130. Refresh my recollection,

weren't you quitting DU once and for all?