Hillary tells Floridians McCain would like their vote...and various other outrages.

[madfloridian]

The most outrageous thing, the most dangerous thing said this last week was said by Hillary Clinton in Broward County. She at a rally says the votes in Florida must be counted in full. Then she says:

If Democrats send a message that we don't fully value your vote, we know that Senator McCain and the Republicans will be more than happy to have them.

This is the wife of the former Democratic president in effect telling Floridians to vote for John McCain.

Here is the video. Her words start just before the one minute mark.

The rest of that interview at the link is taken up with the whiny words of State Senator Steve Geller. He says "if they don't count our votes they don't get our votes in November."

Also at the above link are Dobbs and Jeff Toobin blaming Dean and Obama for the Florida mess, calling them out on their leadership.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz has some choice words about rules...she is a congresswoman from Florida.

Congresswoman and Hillary supporter, Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL) states while advocating for a new "Do-Over" Florida primary that we need to stop worrying about whether rules were broken and that "all of this talk about the rules and that kind of thing is counterproductive".

A campaign is helping to spread the lie that the popular vote is the one that matters.

Robert Zimmerman, a New York media consultant who is a major fund-raiser for Mrs. Clinton, said the popular-vote argument was a good political framework for her candidacy because it emphasizes her electability in the fall. He also said it would be fair to count Michigan and Florida when Democrats are also counting the votes from state caucuses, which require people to participate at a certain time of the day, and therefore tend to leave shift workers and laborers at a disadvantage.

“The controversies concerning the inequities of the caucus system, the Michigan and Florida primaries and the focus on electability by both campaigns makes the issue of the popular vote critically important to superdelegates,” Mr. Zimmerman said. “It should be expected that any potential nominee wins the popular vote on the way to the nomination”

Next Wednesday a lawsuit will be heard that accuses the DNC of being prejudiced against the white people of Florida.

DiMaio even jokes about that lawsuit.

South Carolina and Nevada were allowed to hold their primaries before February 5th because the high percentage of blacks and Hispanics in those states helped compensate for the pasty complexion of Iowa and New Hampshire.

That's the basis for an amended legal filing planned by Tampa Democratic activist, Victor Dimaio and attorney Michael Steinberg who are suing to have Florida's entire Democratic delegation seated at the National Convention in Denver this summer. DiMaio's original lawsuit claimed the DNC's punishment of Florida violated the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment, but that suit was kicked back by the federal appeals court in Atlanta. Steinberg had a brainstorm when he read discovery papers in a similar lawsuit filed by Senator Bill Nelson that showed the DNC put South Carolina and Nevada's primary dates ahead of 46 other states to give minorities more of a voice in the nominating process. Since the DNC receives federal money to hold their convention, the party is subject to federal civil rights law.

What an interesting turn of the worm. Sometime next week, we may have democrats suing democrats for carrying out a very democratic policy of advancing minorities. Steinberg and DiMaio acknowledge with a grin that their reverse racism accusation will ruffle feathers, but hope the conservative judiciary will be delighted to strike a blow against affirmative action and rule in their favor. Their only objective, they claim, is to see all of Florida's delegates seated based on the January 31st primary election.

I have more, but will save it for later.

[madfloridian]

1. The former first lady said to Floridians...McCain would like your vote.

Where is the outrage? Is it all gone now? Is there none for my state?

[hokies4ever]

49. The same place as the outrage over Bush planning to attack Iran

people feel helpless and powerless to stop Bush or Hillary. Instead, we're just crossing our fingers hoping that they don't do too much damage to our country before they go away.

[paulk]

2. she is not "in effect" telling Democrats to vote for McCain

that's nonsense.

[madfloridian]

3. Watch the video.

.

[Yael]

4. You apparently didn't listen to her if that is your take

because she most certainly did.

[madfloridian]

5. Yes, she did. I quoted her from the video.

Thanks for verifying. It is right there and very clear.

[mkultra]

38. thats exactly whats shes insinuating.

[bvar22]

42. This is much more than an insinuation.

This is a direct threat.

If I can't have the nomination, then NO Democrat gets it !

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

6. nothing surprises me about Clinton - crass over the top!

and Geller - a DINO if ever.

[madfloridian]

7. Again I fear there will be some saying..

that she did not mean it. This is not the first time either. Of course she meant it.

[KSinTX]

16. With all of her mis-speaking

I sincerely want this woman NOwhere near a negotiating table! OMFG

[dana_b]

27. that's a valid point

what if she's negotiationg some big issue with another country and continues to make these "gaffes"? Yes, obama is imperfect, but usually he thinks before he speaks. That's why he "ums" and "ehs" (which drive some people nuts, I know)all the time. He is thinking about what he wants to say.

[KSinTX]

30. I wish he'd stop that

I have found myself starting to do it! It's nothing new for me, though, I've always tended to adopt certain speech mannerisms and accents. I was a laugh riot after two years in Japan, for example!

[dana_b]

31. lol

I can only imagine!! I don't mind him doing it only because I know a few people in my life who do that. As a matter of fact, they're all brilliant.

[rebel with a cause]

85. No she didn't mean it, and she didn't misspeak

you just misunderstood. Wait for someone to come out and say what she said was right, they know what she was talking about and then you can discount all of her words and just take their word for it. Don't listen and don't think for your self. Relax and let them think for you. It makes it so much easier. As mama bush would say, don't bother your beautiful mind on such things. :sarcasm:

The new feminist way? You know I am more angry at the lack of self determination than anything in this campaign. I support Obama, but I think for myself.

[SoCalDem]

8. She might want to re-think that "do-over" plan ..

:rofl:

[madfloridian]

10. You have got to stop...

letting me see that picture. :rofl: I don't want to laugh.

[SoCalDem]

12. You may be the last to see it..I just changed to a new one

:)

[madfloridian]

14. Oh no

Not that. :rofl:

[Zachstar]

9. Oh well she continues to depth charge her chances of being VP or even win back her seat in 2012

[SoFlaJet]

11. no WAY

Michelle Obama lets that woman stand behind her husband

[progressoid]

13. "all of this talk about the rules and that kind of thing is counterproductive".

Good grief.

Hey Debbie, breaking the rules is counterproductive.

[jsmirman]

18. "and that kind of thing"

every time something occurs that makes me realize what a large percentage of the house is made up of fucking retards, I die a little inside for this country.

[beac]

40. "Talk about the rules and that kind of thing is counterproductive" is the

title of Chapter One in the Dick Cheney's Big Book of Evil -- soon to be a required textbook in all NCLB schools.


(edited to correct HTML code b/c I didn't read instructions)

[rebel with a cause]

86. Hillary for president.......

No rules and no regulations. :bounce:

Oh, does that only apply to politics and corporations?

Never mind. :evilgrin:

[phrigndumass]

15. Thanks for keeping track of this for us, madfloridian!

:kick: :thumbsup:

[MoonRiver]

17. She is talking about REALITY.

Floridians feel DISENFRANCHISED by the DNC and Obama, who blocked a revote. Democrats WILL lose Florida if Obama is the nominee.

[madfloridian]

19. Clinton and her supporters want Obama to lose Florida.

Obama around 20,000 in Tampa

Obama around 20,000 in Sunrise, Florida.

Loud cheers from Cuban groups when he spoke to them.

Good response from Jewish voters he spoke with.

[Name removed]

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[Pathwalker]

28. "You Hypcritical asshole" "You GODDAMNED PRICK"

So, I take it you don't "believe in" the CIVILITY RULES on DU?

[jsmirman]

29. ok, some tough words, but the sentiment is right ON THE MONEY

Must be hard for Hillary supporters to be called out so precisely on their bullshit.

[progressoid]

21. Then Floridians are confused.

They were DISENFRANCHISED by their own state leaders. Don't blame Obama and the DNC for the REALITY that your own elected officials are dumb-asses.


"Democrats WILL lose Florida if Obama is the nominee"
Seems to me, we lost Florida a long time ago.

[NanceGreggs]

22. Excellent summary ...

... as always!

:patriot: :applause:

[kenny blankenship]

23. no No NO! She was just reminding people that the election is in November

It's strictly a calendrical reference and a purely innocent one at that. And when she says McCain and she both have the experience to cross the Commander In Chief threshold it is just a "timely reminder": she is only referring to their proximate position on the timeline, and in no way implying people should vote for McCain over Obama.

When will you conspiracy theorists finally give it up????

[Aloha Spirit]

24. It is certainly fierce, coveted competition for most despicable Hillary pronouncement. May I offer

for the running her statement on Zimbabwe?

Hillary:
It is wrong when "people go through the motions of an election only to have them discarded and disregarded.”

“We’re seeing that right now in Zimbabwe," Clinton explained. "Tragically, an election was held, the president lost, they refused to abide by the will of the people,” Clinton told the crowd of senior citizens at a retirement community in south Florida.

“So we can never take for granted our precious right to vote."

[beac]

41. I never take for granted my precious right to

puke up my lunch at Hillary's latest outrage. :puke:

[thoughtcrime1984]

25. She is a very poor candidate

I cannot believe that she has gotten as many votes as she has. The Clinton name accounts for a huge chunk of her votes, and being the first "viable" female candidate accounts for another huge chunk. She has been quite the advocate for voting Republican this cycle, and has the most ham-handed campaign I have ever seen. I would have needed the world's largest clothespin to vote for her, even as VP, but at least I need not worry about that clothespin now.

[AuntPatsy]

26. you know, this really does not surprise me what suprises me is

that people appear shocked. This kind of thing has gone on in politics for quite some time..I'm not sure such practices will ever stop, you know, the kind where your brother in law was given a state contract that another contract underbid etc, etc...

The sad reality is that simply because one is a politician it does not mean they are much different than ordinary working class citizens in that we live in a dog eat dog world like it or not...

Human kind is not a pretty picture, we as a species are greedy self serving and needy and have an ability to easily find justification for anything we have done that is more than obvious lacks integrity...

K&R

I have no desire to ever go to Florida, a strange place and I thought Texas was bad.

[Alia]

32. Someone should remind Hillary that

the republicans are only counting half of Florida's delegates.

[ruby slippers]

33. schultz is just as bad for the Democratic party as Hillary.....

anyone have her email address? I think I'll send her off a note...

[madfloridian]

35. Here's her contact page.

http://wassermanschultz.house.gov/zipauth.htm

I think you have to be in her district to email.

[ruby slippers]

93. figures. That way she only has to listen to people who agree with her....

what a witch!

[madfloridian]

34. Bill Clinton said seating only 50% would be fine.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6081912&mesg_id=6081912

[fortyfeetunder]

36. Sure signs of a woman acting out in desperation.

I wish someone wise would give her a clue to gracefully exit.

[grantcart]

37. Well this is it.

I think that the only way to understand Senator Clinton's remarks is that they are the payback for a rebuff in discussions about the VP.

In an earlier thread I called it "political extortion in slow motion" http://journals.democraticunderground.com/grantcart/82.

Senator Obama apparently is not one to be extorted. Senator Clinton is now issuing her payback - but the real news is that in calling her bluff what can she do that will not destroy her?

Do you notice that when she is taking this hard line - count every vote - vote for McCain; that she becomes very deliberate and reads her speeches very carefully.

I spent one session as an assistant in the state legislature and hated it. It was too slow too much talk and I realized that I wouldn't mind being a governor or executive but being a legislator would drive me crazy. For all of the years that the Clinton's have spent in politics only a small fraction of it is in the legislature and I can't but help wonder if Hillary just doesn't like the Senate and is willing to risk everything at this point to get on the ticket as VP.

We are so lucky to have Obama. These guys are smart and cool and they are not going to be pushed into a bad decision.


On Thursday I had to drive to LA and listened to the Rush Limbaugh show.

he was very happy because he said that the Clinton campaign was no repeating word for word exactly the talking points that he had outlined on May 7th.

Use the Civil Rights Act as a reference to Florida
Here is what Limbaugh said on May 7th http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_052208/content/01125106.guest.html

The Democrat Party is willing to disenfranchise voters of all stripes from two large states in order to end the chaos that is their party nomination process. As I say, not since the passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 have we witnessed such a large-scale effort to obstruct the vote. The Democrat Party up to its old tricks. The party of slavery, the party of segregation, the party of poll taxes is now the party of disenfranchisement in Michigan and in Florida.

Here are Clinton remarks on May 21st

In each successive generation, this nation was blessed by men and women who refused to accept their assigned place as second-class citizens. The abolitionists and all who fought to end slavery and ensure freedom came with the full rights of citizenship. The tenacious women and a few brave men who gathered at the Seneca Falls convention back in 1848 to demand the right to vote. The men and women who knew their constitutional right to vote meant little when poll taxes and literacy tests, violence and intimidation made it impossible to exercise their right. So they marched and protested, faced dogs and tear gas, knelt down on that bridge in Selma to pray and were beaten within an inch of their lives.

Here it is being reported on CNN

BORGER: She started making counting votes in Florida and Michigan a civil rights issue. She's talked about abolitionists and suffragettes and counting your vote, and that's what she worked for as a young student. And so she's kind of made this an issue larger than Florida and Michigan, and if she feels that the results of that May 31 meeting of the rules committee doesn't turn the out the way she wants it, it's going to be hard for her to climb down off that tree.

Your posting Madfloridian is very helpful in educating a much larger base on what is happening. There has been a reasonable compromise worked out in Michigan so it looks like Clinton is going to use Florida as her last bullet. It is extortion in slow motion.



After this fails what will she do?

Limbaugh and the others are hoping that she and her supporters can be reached and join McCain to defeat Obama.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_052208/content/01125110.guest.html

[madfloridian]

39. "It is extortion in slow motion"

Yes, that is a huge part of it.

[suston96]

43. If Michigan and Florida are not fully counted and their delegates not fully seated then......

Michigan and Florida voters should turn their backs on the Democratic party.

IOW, their primary votes are rejected but their general election votes are OK? Bullshit!

[madfloridian]

48. You are advocating not voting for the Democrat. Against the rules.

[suston96]

69. Rules? What rules? 2.3 million Democrats have been screwed by the Democratic party....

....and we cannot discuss it?

[madfloridian]

73. You said MI and FL voters should turn their backs on the Democratic party.

That is against the rules of DU to advocate for that.

You are truly not understanding how idiotic FL is acting.

[Combative Democrat]

44. She didn't say that Floridians want his vote

She said that IF DEMOCRATS SEND THE MESSAGE THAT THEY DON'T FULLY VALUE FLORIDIANS VOTE, they will vote for McCain.

Phrases should not be cut off their context.

[Shoelace]

45. Madfloridian is good at twisting phrases to suit her agenda

which is mostly to dis the already fully dissed Clinton. I voted for Obama, now I wish I hadn't!

[madfloridian]

47. That is a personal attack on me. I quoted her exact words.

Do not accuse me.

[Jakes Progress]

55. Boy, I know this if futile,

but I feel like speaking to a wall tonight.

Her exact words were: If Democrats send a message that we don't fully value your vote, we know that Senator McCain and the republicans will be more than happy to have them.

Then you said this was her telling Florida to vote for McCain. That's the twist. It's as if I were to look at your post just now where you say:

"Do not accuse me."

Then I said. See right there. The author is saying that we should accuse Obama of treachery. She doesn't want herself accused. She wants Obama to be accused.

I see Obama supporters yelling about truth, but here is truth. Florida voters will likely be irritated if they perceive that Hillary and Obama do not value their votes. Hillary knows this. Obama knows this. That is why they are campaigning there now. And what part of her saying that the republicans want to win Florida is inaccurate? Her statement was that she wanted the delegates seated and the vote counted. If Obama had won the vote, he would want them counted. Actually, he is trying as hard as he can to work out a way to seat the delegates and count the votes. He wants it in ways that won't affect his lead, but he wants it because he knows that Florida is a must win state. Does that mean that he is telling Florida to vote for McCain.

Just once, I would like to see all your rage directed against republicans. I would like to see your passion directed towards helping Obama get elected in November. I would like to see you be intellectually honest in your Hillary attacks. There are plenty of things to attack her about without having to resort to this kind of misrepresentation. I know it plays well and you get a lot of props from the guys and gals that have taken over here. But playing to the crowd is not the best way to help with the election. Your screeds do more harm or a possible Obama presidency than you can possibly imagine.

As I said, I know this is a futile place to look for reflection and fairness, so let it rip. Have at me.

[madfloridian]

58. That is a personal attack.

[Jakes Progress]

88. And I thought Hillary was supposed

to see every disagreement as a personal attack.

[Barb in Atl]

78. Let's assume you're right

And Hillary was just offering a "what if": If the Dem voters feel disenfranchised, McCain would gladly take their votes. She didn't REALLY say, "If I don't get the votes, as is, in my column, don't vote for Obama, vote for McCain."

But, I think the issue really is that she brought up the spectre of it. Common party values would preclude one from even presuming that good Democrats would vote for the opposing party because their preference didn't win the primary. That's giving it license. Everyone has been paying lip service to unity in November. This particular little snippet doesn't help the cause.

In my humble, newbie, opinion.

[hokies4ever]

50. Too bad her agenda is fact-telling

Gotta hate when the facts don't agree with your hysteria, huh Shoelace?

[Combative Democrat]

52. Look at her title. Do you call that a fact?

It's twisting. She said Clinton said voters in this states wanted McCain's votes, without noting the conditional that it was only IF DEMOCRATS DEVALUED THEIR VOTES.

[madfloridian]

53. Why would FL want McCain's votes?? You are getting very confused here.

You are so determined to attack me that you have not even read what I wrote.

I think you are making this personal.

[Combative Democrat]

56. You again ignore the key part of her statement

Which of course undermines your title that simply states that she said Floridians want to vote for him period.

If Democrats send a message that we don't fully value your vote, we know that Senator McCain and the Republicans will be more than happy to have them.

Now, you may not believe that the Democratic is not valuing their vote, but Hillary believes so, and she believes that to Floridians, this issue is so important that they would consider voting for the other guy as retaliation.

As simple as that.

[madfloridian]

59. That is what I posted...that Hillary says McCain would value their vote.

I gather you think that is ok.

[madfloridian]

62. "She said Clinton said voters in this states wanted McCain's votes"

Your words are the ones that make no sense.

[Shoelace]

74. sorry sweetie, the only hysteria I see here is from y'all

and I'm an Obama supporter so stuff it. It's time to stop attacking Hillary when we're going to have all we can do to defend Obama against the political machine which will definitely be in full swing in another week or two.

We need to get our act together right here on DU and stop this insane Hillary hate.

[madfloridian]

80. I will not "stuff it" . I am not a "hillary hater"...god I hate that stupid term.

I will continue to post the truth of how she is dividing my state..until she stops it.

I never saw this side of the Clintons, but it is not hate. It is pity. Pure pity for what they allowed themselves to become.

I realize your post was directed at someone else, but it applied to me so I responded.

And I will continue to do so.

[Shoelace]

70. that's right, it was

and I meant it as such. I don't cotton to folks who try to divide the Democratic party further by stretching the meaning of what is said to fit their personal hatred and/or animosity.

HRC said "If Democrats send a message that we don't fully value your vote, we know that Senator McCain and the Republicans will be more than happy to have them."

That you took that to meant that she's advocating such a thing is absurd.
She simply spoke the truth as there are many who probably will be irate enough to vote for McInsane if their votes aren't counted or in some way matter.

Also, how does it feel to be attacked on a personal level for your political preferences, beliefs or in this case, outright prevaracation? If it doesn't feel good I suggest you look over the hundreds, perhaps by now, thousands of personal attacks against those who have different political persuasions here on DU.

I am going to vote for Obama in November but I find the attacks on others who still support Hillary as despicable. Normally, I try to disagree without being disagreeable but in your case, I made an exception to my rule after reading several of your posts with the same kinds of diatribes against one of our Democratic candidates.

Karl Rove, the RNC, GOP will love you for your divisiveness, but don't expect any respect from others of us who see this rift in our party growing with every hateful missive, attack against HRC supporters. It does nothing but further the divide which will serve only to garner more support for 4 more years of the Iraq war, war on our environment, etc. That's not the sort of "change" that Obama had in mind.

[madfloridian]

76. SO..you are defending Hillary for advocating they could vote for McCain

because the big bad Dems did not support them.

I am not attacking Hillary...god the woman is in the public eye.

I am using her words to show how she is acting.

You are advocating dividing my state through the use of her lies.

[Shoelace]

81. I'm saying that this divisive BS has to end here on DU or our party is toast

as an Obama supporter, I think it would be wise to tone down the rhetoric as it's gotten way out of hand. Hillary's comment was not "advocating for them to vote for McCain" simply stating that if Democrats don't value their votes, the Republicans surely will.

If my vote in my state hadn't been counted, I'd be mad as hell. Not mad enough to vote for McCain but surely mad enough to raise a little hell about it.

Somehow, we've got to begin to heal these wounds, try to find some sort of unity and realize that this Hillary bashing is an utter waste of time.

Our real enemies wait at the gate, ready to cross the finish line before we ever get out of it. They, the opportunistic, dirty trickster Republican strategists are already thinking they can win bigtime because of our newly fractured party. This has happened in no small part because of the constant attacks against anyone who dares utter anything at all slightly resembling any support for her, any of her thoughts, ideas, etc.

Scary as hell to me to see our party sink to such low levels and know that it means a Republican win in November.

[madfloridian]

82. I do not post rhetoric. I post their own words used against my state.

I will not sit idly by and watch them keep on with the divisions here in Florida.

I am NOT going to stop posting facts and truths.

BUT I will if she leaves my state alone.

Obama called her out on it today, hope it works.

[Shoelace]

87. so we lose another election because of Florida

and the fact that the DNC hasn't found a way to count 1.7 million voters.
To me, that is like saying to these voters "screw you"!

But yes, I'd not mind at all if she bowed out now. Except that that we still have the little problem of millions of voters who voted for her (some 17 million) who will feel the heat. I don't know what to do with them but it begins to look like nothing any of us have ever seen before.

[madfloridian]

89. She has successfully catapulted the propaganda to less informed voters

who rely on the "i lost my vote" tactic.

She has done an amazing job of making her supporters angry at the party.

It may never heal. Shame on her and those who fall for her spin.

[Shoelace]

91. actually, 2 of these women's groups are funded by Republicans!

I deleted my "elections" folder today so I don't have the names of these groups now but they were self started groups in Ohio who said they'd vote for McInsane if not Hillary. I looked up their donors and much to my dismay, found that more than half of them (and the largest donors at that) were avowed Republicans.

I just went into my journal and found the name and website of one of them "Clintonsupporterscounttoo." I've got half a notion to get on their chat line and tell them who is really behind these people!
They do state that the site is not affiliated with Hillary Clinton and for sure, it is not but under the pretense of being Hillary supporters.

I expect to see alot of this sort of thing as Republicans feed money into grassroots orgs like this one:

http://www.clintonsupporterscounttoo.org/

[LiberalLovinLug]

111. Repukes make up a percentage of her base

Don't forget all the Limbots, probably 10% at least, that flood into halls that allow open voting, to carry out the Great Piggy's master plan. And now of course pile on and pretend to be outraged that the DNC will not abide by rules Hillary agreed to.

If by some ugly rumor or attack, she actually gets enough SD to jump over to her, she will suddenly be 20 points behind McBush. African Americans, the activist base, and others insulted by her will be lost to her, and on top of that all of the Limbots will walk out en mass, high-fiving each other at a job well done.

[madfloridian]

90. And what's more....if Florida is stupid enough to vote for McCain...

we will make up the votes in other states this time. There are new plans centering on western states and FL is being pissy because they are not getting all the attention.

[Shoelace]

92. let's hope and pray that is so

:kick:

[Shoelace]

83. but her exact words didn't imply what you interpreted

in a word, your post was flame bait but I see it didn't work for you since you only received 20+ recs. Most flamers here get 300!lol.

[madfloridian]

46. I posted her EXACT words. EXACT words. She did say it.

Twist, squirm, what ever....it is called denial.

[Combative Democrat]

57. The body of your thread is excellent. Your title is terribly misleading

Because in the title, which is what I have problems with, you disappear a part of Clinton statement that makes it clear that this would happen only IF Democrats send the message that their votes don't count.

[madfloridian]

60. Oh, come on. That is just BS...

.

[symbolman]

51. Holy shit!

WHEN is she going to get Stripped of her right to be a Democrat? Can't she be censured for this? Kicked out of the Party? How dare she tell people to Vote for Republicans and call herself a Democrat?!!

Happiness is a LIEberman headed South with a Clinton under each arm!!

Thanks for keeping on top of this, wonder if KO knows about this? He'd get boiling mad about it, be sure to send it to him!!

You are a Patriot, and don't let anyone tell you any different :)

[Diane R]

54. She's always too cute by half. She thinks she's so shrewd, but it' obvious she wants McCain elected

[LaStrega]

61. There are no words. *fumes* k/r n/t

[madfloridian]

63. Yes, there are words. They are being used against me in this thread.

People will always find words to make the truth sound untrue. That's the sad part. I used her own words and two in this thread are making stuff up to pretend she was wrong.

[LaStrega]

64. Hrm.

I must have 'em on ignore. I for one appreciate every single post of yours I've read.

Rock on, friend.

[madfloridian]

67. Thanks. I am tired of seeing Floridians manipulated

and treated like fools by her campaign and the Democrats here.

[LaStrega]

68. Don't blame you a bit, but don't let it get to you ...

too much. Just keep on doing what you're doing. There are *waaaay* more people who appreciate, hell, applaud you for your posts. Trust me on that. :toast:

[reflection]

66. I know you're catching it from all sides.

I appreciate your dilligence on this issue.

[goclark]

65. Rove is pullintg her strings

[Az_lefty]

71. she has totally lost her bering...

[Mimosa]

72. HRC is the corporatist SABOTEUR

Sadly, her supporters refuse to see what she is doing to the Democratic Party during a CRUCIAL election.

[Swamp Rat]

75. k&r

[gulfcoastliberal]

77. I am just so sick of Hillary and the DLC DINO crew.

Ugh!

[workinclasszero]

79. Hillary is a DLC traitor and warmonger

Shes more republican than democrat and Rush Limpballs LOVES her!

[Kahuna]

84. What a nasty little @#!$%!

:grr:

[Douglas Carpenter]

94. thanks for your role as a one-person truth squad . It is desperately needed!

[Jakes Progress]

95. Desperately needed? Yes, by republicans.

Without more of this kind of stuff, they don't have a chance in November. But with enough divisive language and irrational hate, they can see the light at the end of the tunnel. So K&R these silly little spite fits so that McCain will thrive. That is the only result that these posts and this attitude will have.

[Douglas Carpenter]

96. I guess I just don't see facts as "hate"

[madfloridian]

97. I don't think you like me or my posts.

I think I will :cry:

[Jakes Progress]

101. Check out my kudos

on your very good post about the nastiness the repubs are doing on immigration. That was well documented and went after our common foe. It was also a very good heads up about a courageous speech by Obama.

I don't know you so I don't know if I would like you or not. I have read your posts. Some are very good. Some, I find to be counter-productive to a Democratic victory in November.

[madfloridian]

102. Right now we do have a foe within our own party

You can pretend we don't, but we do.

She is trying to keep up from having rules, from enforcing rules, and she is coming to Florida to divide my state...deliberately.

I think you need to perhaps realize that all is not well within the Democratic party right now.

[Name removed]

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[DogPoundPup]

98. Of the [DNC rules] committee’s 30 members, a near-majority of 12 were Clinton supporters.

All of them—most notably strategist Harold Ickes—voted for Florida’s full disenfranchisement.


And neverforget HillBill's N-A-F-T-A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gman]

99. The only outrage is Obama telling Florida Democrats, "Who cares what you think"

and Obama won't take responsibility for disenfranchising these Democrats by saying, "Wah'l... blame the party" when all Obama has to say is "Count Florida". "Florida Democrats' votes matter."

[madfloridian]

103. Obama has said that FL will be seated. He said so again today

He has said it over and over.

Hillary has done a good job of spreading hate and dissension. People can not even see the truth anymore.

[Gman]

108. Tell the ENTIRE story about what Obama said

does it include seating Hillary's delegates...?? Sure, they'll be seated after the last Superdelegate that puts Obama over the top commits. If Obama was serious about seating Florida, this would not be happening and would be a non-issue and the delegate count would be much closer.

[madfloridian]

110. That is pathetic for you to argue that way

You are arguing for breaking the rules.

[Gman]

112. Umm... the entire story?

seating Hillary's delegates...? He said it today?

[madfloridian]

113. That's it.

Bye

[suston96]

100. The DNC's new American flag....Count the stars......

[madfloridian]

104. I emptied my list too soon.

Back you go.

[Debi]

106. Jesus

:banghead:

[K Gardner]

105. Ugh.. just ugh.

[The Stranger]

109. Hillary has revealed herself to be a lying, untrustworthy, despicable traitor.

We have no room for traitors in this party.