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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:39 PM
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Thats' right, Folks! We're gonna need all of those racists!!!!!
Looking at the exit poll numbers from Kentucky and other Appalachia states, and the language Clinton has been using while campaigning there, it seems pretty clear to me that Hillary Clinton has been using racism to promote her campaign. And please, don't tell me how full of it I am - look at the numbers and language yourself and then give me another alternative that still fits the facts.

Folks, Clinton was playing to racists. Sorry if this is uncomfortable - but it is the unfortunate truth.

And all of these threads reminding us that "Obama is going to need Clinton supporters" - seem more like open threats, to me, than any appeal for unity.

It would be more honest if the Clintonista just said, "Remember, you're going to need racist Democrats if Obama is going to win."

Really? Because, looking at the numbers, and remembering how 30-40% of Clinton supporters say they will NEVER support Obama, it seems to me the Clintonista is pushing a false meme - that racist democrats WILL support Obama.

I don't think they will. I don't think there is a single hardcore Clinton supporter in Appalachia that will support an African-American presidential candidate. The numbers demonstrate this. The comments and exit polls demonstrate this. And Clinton herself, through her own language and threats, demonstrates this.

So - I no longer feel an overarching need for further attempts at making peace with the Clintonista.

They have already made up their minds. They have already decided that racism trumps patriotism. They have already decided that bigotry and petty hatred are more important than the Constitution, equality, and justice.

Everyone seems pretty shocked by Clinton's call for the assassination of Obama. But I am not - and I really wish I could be.

What else does Hillary Clinton have left, though? She's appealed to the racists, and they obviously lack the numbers she needed to put her campaign over the top. So what is left, but to call out for political assassination?

Let me make a little prediction here: If ANYTHING happens to Obama, if he is assassinated - it will be the final nail in the coffin of this great experiment we call America. We'll come as close to civil war as we've been since the last one, if we don't fall right over the edge into it.

Obama wants to heal this nation, while Clinton merely wants to rule it. If her comment about RFK doesn't finally demonstrate this to even the most hardcore of the Clintonista, my guess is there is no way to reach these people.

Unless Clinton supporters move en masse to repudiate Hillary Clinton for her crystal clear and quite blatant wish of death upon Obama, I say it is time to call them what they are: Hate-filled racists who's only hope of victory lies in the death of their opponent - who just happens to be the "wrong" color...

"There - I said it."
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:41 PM
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1. According to a MSNBC analysis, Hillary's white racists voted for Bush in 2004
As a matter of fact, Norah O'Donnell pointed out that a higher percentage voted for Bush in 2004 than intended to vote for McCain this year.
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:45 PM
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2. Just another BS thread. Congrats you win a toaster. n/t
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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:49 PM
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4. No, the BS threads are the ones still supporting Clinton
Want to talk about BS? Why not pull out your list of reasons for still supporting Clinton?
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:03 PM
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9. Since when do I have to justify my opinion to you? I said your
thread is BS. Would it help you little bruised feelings if I added - in my opinion? Why are you so dang afraid of Big Bad Hillary that you just can't stop yourself from posting trash?

But for the record - Hillary is 10x smarter than Obama will ever be, she has a life long record of fighting for issues important to me - especially for children and health care. She has 20x more foreign policy experience than Obama. I believe she will end this war, take care of vets, re-build the infrastructure, create jobs, get back respect on the world stage. Just because someone labels her something else doesn't make it true. You are kinda like those Swift Boat Liars - they conjured up totally bonus information about Kerry just to push their guy. Twist, skew, scream and cry, say anything, do anything just to get Obama the nomination. I'm betting Obama would be so ashamed of you guys. You don't represent a thing about him that I have seen. Sometimes it seems the only thing Obama has going for him with some of his supporters is that his name isn't Clinton.

I know that Obama is going to get the nomination and I can live with that and vote for him but I will ALWAYS feel like we got the fourth, maybe fifth, best candidate running this election cycle. Fortunately, that can still get us a win because the rethug field is so horribly bad. If the rethugs were fielding a half way decent candidate (onymoron alert!) the Democratic party would be in real trouble.
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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:10 PM
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12. What part is BS? The racist stuff? or Clinton's call for assassination?
Edited on Sat May-24-08 01:10 PM by JFN1
As for your list of reasons - I respect your opinions - I just happen to think you are wrong. If Obama is so much dumber than Clinton, how come he has out raised her so much in cash? How come, if Clinton is so much smarter than Obama, does she need to loan her campaign money?

If she is so much smarter, why does she have to lie?
If she is so much smarter, why does she have to use racist language?
If she is so much smarter, why does she break her promises?
If she is so much smarter, why doesn't she pay her bills?

As for foreign policy experience, by your measure, I have more foreign policy than Obama, since I served in 14 different countries during my military career. I had at least as much to do with foreign policy as Clinton did during her White House wife term...perhaps even more, as soldiers are instructed to remember that we all serve as de facto diplomats to the countries where we serve in.
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:21 PM
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17. Well, if you want to equate intelligence with raising money than
Chucklenuts Bush is a blooming Einstein in 2000 and 2004! And you say she lies, uses racist language, breaks promises and doesn't pay her bills. Whatever. That the best you got?

I don't believe for a second she lies or uses racist language. I'm not sure what promises you think she has broken and pay her bills, you honestly think it won't get paid? Those are all pretty lame excuses. I don't like Obama's positions on issues. I don't give a fig leaf about his middle name, his lapel pin, his preacher or his 57 states. I don't think he is ready for the big dance on so many fronts it is scary TO ME.

And I don't doubt for a second you have more foreign policy experience than Obama, hell, that isn't a hard goal to reach - veteran or not.
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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:28 PM
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19. She doesn't lie?
Bosnia? She didn't lie about that?

Even the RFK thing? She said, "The Kennedy's have been on my mind of late." Really? Since she also said the RFK thing TWICE before Senator Kennedy took ill?

CLINTON IS A LIAR. PERIOD.

"White, hard working Americans." Yeah, that's not a racist statement - if you leave out the "white" part...

"Obama would have lost already if he were not black." Yeah, that's not racist either, despite there being no way to prove or disprove her assertion.

CLINTON IS USING RACISM. PERIOD.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:33 PM
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22. +1 .. I agree - she is and has been using racism to advance her campaign
Edited on Sat May-24-08 01:34 PM by quantass
and the MSM has noticed

there are also a whole host of other lies u didn't mention...if others want links please PM me and i will gladly provide them.
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:38 PM
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23. Thanks for the chuckle. Gotta hand it to you, you are completely drowning in the Kool Aid..
Somehow in your world Obama mis-speaks, Clinton lies. Your "arguments" are silly and lame and without an ounce of substance.

Good day.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:41 PM
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50. Your careless use of words undercuts any credibility.
.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:43 PM
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51. "Clinton's call for assassination?"
When did she "call for" Obama's assassination?

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:48 PM
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30. If Hillary is 10X smarter than Obama, why is she losing the nomination
Edited on Sat May-24-08 02:49 PM by sfexpat2000
that was hers to lose?

And if you don't see the long trail of racist bs that Hil and Bill have dragged into this race, you need to read a paper more often because they have been roundly condemned for it both here and abroad.
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:33 PM
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38. You think he's smart just because he can win an election?
I guess Bush is smart because he could beat Gore and Kerry.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:40 PM
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39. Bush didn't beat Gore and Kerry. He had the machinery with him
including his cronies at Fauxed Up that called the election for him.

You guess wrong.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:30 PM
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20. Why is the MSN anlys BS? it is Factually accurate! But the real question is...are you one of them?
Edited on Sat May-24-08 01:35 PM by quantass
:scared:
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:47 PM
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3. !
:popcorn:
:beer:
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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:02 PM
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7. Personal attacks word great for neocons, too!!
Edited on Sat May-24-08 01:02 PM by JFN1
Since you clearly don't have an intelligent argument to make - sure, I have brain syphilis and I'm drunk. Does that make you feel better about supporting Clinton? "If you support Obama, you must be drunk with brain syphilis." Oh, thats a really good one - and quite original.

I'm just calling it like I see it. And what I see coming from the Clinton camp is racist hatred, threats, and lust for political assassination.

But correct me. What have I missed? For I notice that NONE of you Clinton supporters EVER give as a reason for your support of Clinton, that you want "what is best for America." I think this is very telling...
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:04 PM
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10. Your entire OP was a personal attack, so stop calling out
others for doing what you started. This thread is a waste of space.
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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:12 PM
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13. Unless you are a racist or want Obama dead
then there is nothing personal in this thread for you. Is there?

As for calling others out - I don't think what was said about me being drunk with brain syphilis compares to the FACTUAL content of my post.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:19 PM
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16. actually if you are a clinton supporter in either WV or KY
the OP would be an isult. You state, in clear terms, that every single voter in those states was racist.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:09 PM
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31. Whatever you say, Killer.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:41 PM
Response to Reply #31
40. Just what the fuck is that supposed to mean?
More personal attacks? Obama supporters are the sick ones here.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 04:14 PM
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43. I don't hear Obama supporters floating and defending assassination memes
Only you and the other dead-enders.
You are all a bunch of ghouls.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 04:45 PM
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44. Oh. I haven't been called a ghoul yet, or a dead-ender.
You add to the list of things like racist, freeper, troll, etc.

I am a good Democrat, and I am known for how hard I work for the party. You are some anonymous message board poster who needs to get off his/her ass.
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floridablue Donating Member (996 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:12 PM
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14. If I don't support Obama, then I am a racist ?
Thats all the spew I can decipher from the immature mouths on this sight. I doubt if Obama would be proud of your campaigning style.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #7
18. Bo has no accomplishments. What little he did in the state
senate has been flushed with conveniently "missing" paper trails

There is no logical reason for supporting him except people love...love ..love American Idol

They vote their little hearts out for a crappy singer that they identify with because they

have shallow meaningless lives

BO is just like an American Idol contestant. His only talent is reading from a teleprompter

and one day all you little groupies will discover he is just like Milli Vanilli

You got sucked in by a no talent Fraud








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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:12 PM
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33. Whatever you say, Sirhan
And after you vote for McCain, be sure to sign your boys up for the Army. McCain will need more IED fodder for his hundred year war.
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galloglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:46 PM
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45. Whatch' you mean, Libby?
You say three things which are in need of clarifyin'.

# 1

A) Did you mention Milli Vanilli because they are part Black and part white (like Obama)

or

B) were you (like Hillary) bringing to mind the image of a part-Black, part-white man who is now DEAD?? (Right. Tell us you didn't know that half of Milli Vanilli died of an 1998 OD'ed !!)



# 2

A) When you wrote "You got sucked in by a no talent Fraud", are you using the past participle of that verb (suck) because it is so redolent of the Clinton Administration's lesser moments?

or

B) Are you calling Monica Lewinsky a fraud? Or simply a no-talent sucker?

or

C) you made a typo and really meant no talent Freud, alluding to the Rovian insights of her celebrated Campaign Ream ?? (Oops!! Sorry, sorry!! That was a typo. I really meant to type Campaign TEAM)




# 3

A) (re: American Idol) Do you state that "They vote their little hearts out for a crappy singer that they identify with because they
have shallow meaningless lives"
because of your training in psychiatric etiologies ??

or

B) Because you spent all your votes on the loser, David Archuleta, instead of the winner, David Cook, which has now caused your life to become shallow and meaningless... and you, consequently,
understand the pain of backing a LOSER??











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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:50 PM
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47. You sure wasted a lot of time spewing gibberish
I have patients who love their delusions too. Enjoy
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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:29 PM
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59. I remember hearing similar things about Bill Clinton
especially when he was blowing his sax on Arsenio...at that time, he was just an "upstart state governor" with "no foreign affairs experience," etc., - you know, pretty much all of the same things you're saying now about Obama...
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:32 AM
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61. Yeah riiiight. He had been a governor for 11 years
The idiocy here is mind boggling. What a shame
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:59 PM
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6. The bigots have a pattern of
voting against their interests.

I am convinced this election cycle will be no different.
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:28 PM
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48. Yes indeed. BO has the bigot vote wrapped up. A nice sampling
of them on this site.They are quite nasty too.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:02 PM
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8. Sure feels that way sometimes
:applause:
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avenger64 Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:06 PM
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11. The OP needs serious help ...
... he apparently lives in a world of victimization, looking under every rock for the big-bad 'racist'. If people don't like his candidate, they're a 'racist'. If they have different values or views, they're 'racist'. If they cut him off in traffic, they're 'racist'.

This is no way to live, and it's not the kind of viewpoint we need represented in the White House.

Senator Clinton, please take this fight to the convention. We don't need a victim as President - we need a leader.
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JFN1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:14 PM
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15. So help me then
Help cure my "sickness." Show me how Clinton's remarks, threats, and conduct are not in any way racist. Show me how I am wrong to believe she was using racism in her attempt to rule America.

America needs "a leader" - who lies like George Bush yet looks smashing in a pantsuit? Is this the best argument you have?
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:32 PM
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21. I'm afraid you sickness is too far gone and you don't want to be cured. n/t
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. That's what I said, but it couldn't take it. They ask the question
but don't want the answer, then go cry to mommy. waa waa waaa
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:43 PM
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25. Actually, that was me
I got your post zapped. :hi:
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #25
26. No problem. I completely understand why you would be offended
Truth can cut like a knife :hi:
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:13 PM
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27. I'm sure you are so proud!
December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out. "Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html


Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States.
Obama is a Christian.
The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.


Clinton Co-Chair Resigns Over Obama Drug Remark
By JAKE TAPPER
Dec. 13, 2007
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3992371&page=1
Bill Shaheen, the Clinton campaign's New Hampshire co-chair, stepped down Thursday one day after publicly raising the issue of the youthful drug use of her chief opponent, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois

Shaheen, the husband of a former New Hampshire governor and an influential Democrat, was a constant presence by Clinton's side whenever she campaigned in the Granite State, where recent polls have her and Obama in a dead heat for first in that first-in-the-nation primary state.

Hours after the Wednesday release of a CNN/WMUR poll showing Obama in a statistical tie with Clinton for the first time among New Hampshire Democratic voters, Shaheen told The Washington Post that should Obama get the nomination, "one of the things Republicans are certainly going to jump on is his drug use."

Shaheen said Obama having been so open -- as opposed to then-Gov. George W. Bush, who refused to detail his past drug use during his 2000 presidential campaign -- will "open the door to further queries on the matter.
---------------------------------------
On Sunday, a second Clinton staffer -- Linda Olson, an Iowa County volunteer coordinator, who followed Jones County coordinator Judy Rose -- was asked to resign after reporters discovered she had forwarded an e-mail repeating the scurrilous allegation that Obama, a member of the United Curch of Christ, is a Muslim plant.



Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs


Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008
The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's
Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-

2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html


Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.


Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the
probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5

Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores
Her Own Radical Ties
By: Justin Rood

ABC News - The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group
mentioned in the Obama stories."Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the 1970s group Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001.
In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from the Politico newspaper reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another member of the radical group.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4330128&page=1


Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says. Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in
her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)


http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-

clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."

Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proudmDemocrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.


Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html


January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”



COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized
for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-

johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34


Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
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Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
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Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

Hillary Supporter Cuomo: Obama Tried To "Shuck And Jive" With Media
The Hillary campaign might have their own surrogate with foot-in-mouth syndrome who they'll have to deal with. During an appearance yesterday on talk radio -- at almost the same time as Obama co-chair Jesse Jackson Jr. questioned Hillary's tears -- New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo used some words about Barack Obama that have a very troublesome racial history.

"It's not a TV crazed race. Frankly you can't buy your way into it," Cuomo said, according to Albany Times Union reporter Rick Karlin. "You can't shuck and jive at a press conference," he added. "All those moves you can make with the press don't work when you're in someone's living room."

The phrase "shuck and jive" refers to mischievous blacks behaving innocently in the presence of an authority figure, so as to lie and get out of trouble.

...Lies On Tape.........

http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/bill-and-hillary-clintons-top-5-lies-to-voters-on-the-campaign-trail/
Bill and Hillary Clinton’s Top 9 Lies to Voters on the Campaign Trail
#1 Bill Clinton lied to voters at their rallies and said he had been opposed to the Iraq war from the start.

#2 Hillary Clinton lied and said she had been opposed to NAFTA. After an advocacy group sued to have her First Lady records released, it was revealed that she had supported and advocated for NAFTA.

#3 Hillary Clinton lied to voters about a trip to Bosnia claiming she was running for cover and did not attend a greeting ceremony.

#4 Bill Clinton lied to voters about Barack Obama’s Iraq record.

#5 Bill Clinton just completely made up a story to supporters about Obama dismissing the 90s.

#6 Hillary Clinton said she was instrumental in helping bring peace to Northern Ireland.


#7 Hillary Clinton lied to Iowa and New Hampshire voters about whether she would try to count the Florida and Michigan primaries.

#8 Hillary Clinton lied at one of her rallies and said she began criticizing the Iraq War before Barack Obama did

#9 On April 21, Bill Clinton said “I think they played the race card on me” of the Obama campaign. The next day when an NBC reporter asked Clinton, “Sir, what did you mean yesterday when you said that the Obama campaign was playing the race card on you?” Clinton claimed that he didn’t make that statement.
http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2008/03/25/bill-and-hillary-clintons-top-5-lies-to-voters-on-the-campaign-trail/
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avenger64 Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:45 PM
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29. So you're quoting a bunch of accusations and instances ...
.... of the Clintons defending themselves against charges of 'racism' to try and counter what I said earlier? These articles just reinforce what I've been saying all along - victimization has taken the upper hand in the Democratic party. This campaign has devolved from one where there were debates on real issues to Applied Identity Politics. And when Obama and his supporters try to make hay out of this, instead of talking about the economy in a substantive way, they're (excuse me, 'you're') the ones playing the race card.

The fact that Barack Obama stood for real change - changing his mind to being against universal health care, for example, is nothing. But some borderline edgy comment by crazy old Bill Clinton - that's news! But I guess you would put your poor-persecuted-victim status in the foreground as well - since it verifies all the things those voices in your head have been telling you all of this time.

Obama's campaign stands for finger-pointing and victimization, and the words of his supporters verify this every day here on DU.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #29
32. I knew you would be proud!
..the sky will open, the light will come down, a lightening bolt will strike Senator Obama, and the celestial choirs will be singing my name....


Interview with Clinton: One Day at a Time
Thursday, Mar. 06, 2008
TIME: Can you envision a point at which--if the race stays this close--Democratic Party elders would step in and say, "This is now hurting the party and whoever will be the nominee in the fall"?

CLINTON: No, I really can't. I think people have short memories. Primary contests used to last a lot longer. We all remember the great tragedy of Bobby Kennedy being assassinated in June in L.A.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1719900,00.htm


Clinton campaign on ropes

BY JOHN GUERRIERO
Published: May 08. 2008 6:00AM
Murray, who has supported Bill and Hillary Clinton since 1991, said these are tough times for people like him who are in the Clinton camp but want to unify the party.

"The sense is, absent some catastrophic event that would take place in this campaign, it's going to be very difficult to see a path to victory for Hillary
given what happened" Tuesday, Murray said.
http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080508/NEWS02/805080437


Sun May 11, 2008
Analysis: Could Clinton land the VP nomination?

Several Clinton associates say there is still a ray of hope among some in her campaign: that a "catastrophic" revelation about Obama might make it possible for her to win the presidential nomination.
But barring that, Hillary and Bill Clinton recognize that her candidacy is being abandoned and rejected by superdelegates whom she once expected to win over and that, even if she were to win the popular vote in combined primary states, she will almost certainly be denied the nomination.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/10/bernstein.clinton/index.html?section=cnn_latest

CBSNews.com Reports: N.Y. Senator Now Faces Nearly Impossible Odds To Capturing Democratic Nomination
May 7, 2008

Clinton's Path To Victory Slipping Away
There is one scenario which does work for Clinton and that’s a massive movement of superdelegates leaving Obama and supporting her. The party leaders could do that, but it would take some unforeseen development in the race between now and the convention for them to do so. Obama, in some way, would have to be rendered so unelectable that the party rejects him at the convention. That’s not much to hang a hat on but it’s starting to look like her best option.

And even that might not be a viable option, said Joe Trippi. “Even if the catastrophic thing existed or happened, if she were perceived to have caused it, I think it would end her campaign too,” Trippi said. I don’t think there’s any way now for her to gain the nomination. She’s at the point now where if she tries to make a case against Obama, it will actually speed up superdelegates joining his cause just to shut the campaign down.”

But Trippi notes that the Obama campaign and Democratic leaders are still likely to give Clinton the room she needs to go forward on her own terms, provided that she does so in a positive manner. “I think there’s lots of tolerance for her going on, running the table into the convention and having a presence there,” he said. “But if she actually tries to compete in the trenches for the nomination in a way that looks like it’s damaging the nominee … I don’t think there will be any tolerance for that at all.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/07/politics/main4078586.shtml
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avenger64 Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #32
37. The voices. The voices.
They're out to get me. Won't leave me alone .....
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #11
34. "Why do I always get the first question?"
:rofl:

:rofl:

and

:rofl:
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atufal1c Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:43 PM
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28. Ridiculous. She's not calling for his assassination.

Agree that she's appealing to racists, though. And that she won't win them in the general. Just like Dems never do.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #28
41. She doesn't have to, and didn't, call for his assassination.
Just raising that spectre in such an unself-conscious way is bad enough.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:15 PM
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35. There weren't as many white racists in Oregon as WV
must be a mountain thing?
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:28 PM
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36. well, since 75%+ of the electorate is 'racist' acording to O-ists, yeah you're gonna need them.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:59 PM
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42. I know it's not easy but to get the votes we gotta play nice. We win them wiht milk and honey.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:50 PM
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46. Agreed. What the whorish M$M and the Clintons are doing to Obama: A coordinated
Edited on Sat May-24-08 06:52 PM by ShortnFiery
and figurative "High-Tech Lynching of his candidacy, i.e., fomenting racial polarization for their own craven political desires. :grr: :nuke:

A little history from the RECENT past:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5oMw2mC7EE

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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:40 PM
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49. Will the racists supporting Obama
support the democratic ticket in November?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #49
52. I suppose that is a fair question in light of the OP.
We are getting bogged down attacking each other.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #52
54. But only in such a light
(Except in the fact that we are all racist and etc.)
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:00 PM
Response to Reply #54
55. LOL! Maybe you all ARE racists!
JUST KIDDING!!! I hope you were too. :D
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:05 PM
Response to Reply #55
56. Absolutely (kidding)
but...we are all racist. Because we all grow up within a racist society. etc.
It's like saying we are all African American because the human race is "out of Africa". It's just that some acknowledge that fact. And some do not, and develop a sense of unearned superiority around that.
Cheers Swampster.
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anaxarchos Donating Member (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:53 PM
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53. It was much...
...much worse than this: "Folks, Clinton was playing to racists. Sorry if this is uncomfortable - but it is the unfortunate truth."

"Racists" are not some workin' people in Pennsylvania or West Virginia who are confused by who the enemy is. Racists are precisely those who manipulate politics, economic competition, or ethnic tensions to advance their own interests. The idiot Confederate tools who fought for slavery were victims in their own right. The real racists were Clay and Calhoun and Thurmond and Helms and Wallace and Maddox and the Dixiecrats and Southern Mill owners who used racism to prevent unionization and Bill and Hillary Clinton. I'm not a fan of Obama but this Clinton talk is some seriously foul shit.

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Blondiegrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:31 PM
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57. I would have to disagree on one point:
I don't think they will. I don't think there is a single hardcore Clinton supporter in Appalachia that will support an African-American presidential candidate.

It sounds as though you're assuming that everyone in Appalachia who voted for Clinton is a racist. I'm not denying that racism played a factor in WV and KY, but that's too sweeping of an assumption to make of the those two states. I myself know quite a few Clinton supporters here in WV who will vote for Obama in the GE. Then again, I live in the enlightened metropolis (*sarcasm*) of Charleston, which is a vastly different demographic from the southern coalfields.

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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:48 PM
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58. Why are all of the whites supporting Hillary Clinton racists?
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Elspeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:57 PM
Response to Reply #58
60. Because they're white...duh. Don't you get anything?
:sarcasm:
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:36 AM
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62. We're going to need Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin
That's just a fact- and one that transcends anyones bullshit allegations of Clinton's racism.

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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:48 AM
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63. and they are all bitter and own guns....
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