Hillary Clinton has disqualified herself.

[yardwork]

I've never posted anything like "I hate Hillary" and I never will. Up until today, when I read about her assassination comment, the most I'd felt was irritation and fatigue with the Clintons and their lost-cause campaign for the nomination, which I hoped would end soon.

Her comments yesterday changed that. I no longer believe that she is qualified to be president of the United States. If something - God forbid - were to happen to Barack Obama, I would strenuously campaign with the party leadership to choose any other Democrat than Hillary to be our nominee.

The reason I'm posting this as a thread is that I suspect that I'm not the only one who feels that way today. Hillary Clinton just crossed a line.

I'm curious to know if others feel the same way. Please don't respond to this thread with hateful comments about Hillary Clinton. That's childish and pointless. I'm not promoting hate. I'm expressing my opinion that the Clintons, at long last, have run out of decency, and should no longer be chosen as representatives of the Democratic Party. They need to retire. Now.

Agree? Disagree?

[BlooInBloo]

1. Yup.

[IndianaGreen]

24. Yup to your "Yup" n/t

LoserHil.

[mamalone]

56. Yuppity yup yup

As in an expression of complete and total agreement.

[Crazy Dave]

2. This will just give her more reason to claim she's a victim of sexism and the media

Her and Terry McAuliffe will claim this over exaggeration of Hillary's expression of sadness over Bobby Kennedy's assassination is just another chauvinistic and bigoted attack by the Obama campaign and the biased media. These further attacks will only drive her more and keep her in the race longer to make sure that women who run for office won't have to suffer and fight the way she has had to. She's not fighting for herself anymore, she's fighting for them and all the voters in Michigan and Florida, except the undecided ones unless they've now decided they want her.

[yardwork]

7. My instinct is that she's gone too far.

Before, she survived by skirting around the edges of people's racism. With yesterday's comment she's offended too many demographics.

As several posts today illustrate, many white, conservative Americans are appalled by her casual reference to terribly sad and frightening days in their lives.

I can't even imagine how offended black Americans are today.

Nobody in the country can agree with her on this. Nobody. The most she has to hope for are people forgiving it as a gaffe and giving her the benefit of the doubt, but even they now consider her to be unreliable. Look at the posts defending her here at DU today - the best they can say is that she didn't really mean to say such a terrible thing. Damned with faint praise indeed.

[Crazy Dave]

26. She's survived and been forgiven hundreds of times since the campaign started

But kept claiming that every time something bad happened to her or something good happened for Obama it was because she's the abused and battered woman fighting for those just like her.
Now all those self absorbed, attention and pandering seeking, asshole, un-decided, super delegates who've been playing cute and coy by saying they don't know who they want, will no longer have people asking them "who will you vote for?", it's now going to be, "why would you still consider Clinton?" and they don't want a camera or microphone in their face and have to answer that. Also look for about 5 - 8 of Clinton's SD's to change sides this weekend too.

[LaurenG]

3. I'm numb but I agree

it's time for them to pack it up.

[maddiejoan]

4. Her comments did that?

Why?

[jsmirman]

6. Maybe because she not only said something horrifying, but showed herself

to be utterly unable to produce something remotely resembling accountability or contrition in the aftermath of her statement?

I mean, I'm just throwing that out there.

[maddiejoan]

10. What did she say that was horrifying?

[jsmirman]

16. I'm sorry, what game are we playing today? Referencing the assassination of a black leader

as a reason to stay in the race and callously, for the third time, evoking the spector of the horrifying assassination of RFK to somehow justify her continued candidacy isn't horrifying?

To say nothing of how historically dishonest the comparison actually is?

I don't even know why I'm bothering. If you don't think what she said is horrifying, I just don't see what hope there is for you.

[maddiejoan]

21. RFK was black?

You'd make more sense if you said she was comparing herself to RFK --as her comment had to do with why SHE was still in the race.

[jsmirman]

27. Are you serious? If she's referencing a past assassination as a reason to stay in the race

and there's only ONE other candidate in the race, how is she possibly not referencing the possibility of that other candidate being assassinated??? Please, really, break that one down.

I can't believe I'm wasting my time with this level of nonsense.

[Name removed]

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[jsmirman]

32. did you try to reply? Because, really, I'd love to see you torture logic into

giving you a leg to stand on with this one.

[yardwork]

35. Let it go. I alerted on the personal attack.

Don't make me alert on you! Let's keep this away from personal attacks or insulting terms. When your opponent has a very weak case, there's no reason to rub it in.

[jsmirman]

37. I was just curious what was said

but no biggy.

[yardwork]

41. It was just a rude personal attack. Nothing of substance.

Sorry - didn't mean to sound naggy!

[jsmirman]

42. No problem

I'm just sorry I missed it. I enjoy those every now and then.

[yardwork]

44. lol! I'll summarize - you are dumb as a post.

Happy now? :P

[jsmirman]

46. Nah, that was disappointing.

I was hoping for something with a little more verve. Oh well. Thanks for your help, though.

[yardwork]

17. If you don't understand, I doubt anything I say will help.

Maybe you should google some newsreels of people's reactions to the assassinations of 1963 and 1968. I don't know how old you are, maybe you weren't alive then. I was, and I've never seen such grief and horror.

[SoonerPride]

8. Because she is inept as a politician.

She is either inartful or deceitful (one or the other) and either one gets you a loose canon on the world stage.

She is neither smart enough nor honest enough to be POTUS.

That's why.

[maddiejoan]

12. How so?

I don't see any evidence of that --other than the swiftboating tactics of David Axelrod and his puppet.

[merh]

29. You don't get it - No one has had to swiftboat hillary

She has done the most damage to her campaign and her own legacy/image.

It has been her lies, her callous statements, her "win at all costs", that has damaged hillary and her campaign - there has been no swiftboating - her failings are her own.

[maddiejoan]

33. There ya go

You just repeated almost verbatim the Rovian narrative against HIllary.

congrats.

[yardwork]

36. That's nonsense.

Hillary Clinton's comments yesterday were indefensible. She did it to herself.

[merh]

52. Nope, see Rove likes Hillary - that is another thing that scares me about her

But all that was in my post was the truth, she is the one that has lied on several occasions, got caught in the lies and tries to play it off as "misspeak". The press has let up on her about many of them - why hasn't the press insisted in reading Chelsea's thesis on the Northern Ireland Peace efforts/talks?

For that matter, if what Hillary said about her role was true, why not let us read Chelsea's writings in support of that position. And why has she stopped boasting about her role to prove how experienced she is?

Obama didn't launch into her ass about the sniper lies when they had the last debate, he could have, some say he should have. He let her explain away her lies by calling them misspeak.

What if it was Obama hanging on as Hillary is hanging on and what if he had said anything can happen, look what happened to Benazir Bhutto just before the election?

Folks who keep explaining away her poor campaigning, her lies, her hate filled rhetoric are just delusional- you can't explain away a pitifully run campaign and a desperate campaigner, it is far too late for any of that.

[merh]

54. Hello, do you respond to the facts or do you just post your bullshit

about Rove tactics and ignore the truth? Come on can you deal with the truth, deal with the facts. Can you stand up for what you believe with reason and not some lame talking point.

[yardwork]

14. She casually referenced events that every American thinks of as horrific.

Putting the worst possible interpretation on her words, she was saying that Obama might be assassinated, so she should continue to campaign. (That logic makes no sense anyway. Wouldn't the party have turned to her if something happened to the frontrunner? She wouldn't have needed to be actively campaigning to be asked to step in.) The context of her statement is that the specter of assassination has been raised quite a bit recently - it's been mentioned even by her campaign several times this spring - and she was giving it another spin.

Putting the best possible interpretation on her words, she referenced a horrific time in American history to defend her right to stay in a campaign that she's clearly lost.

The best that can be said of her comment is that it demonstrates incompetence and unreliability. There are numerous candidates better qualified than she to be president. She's disqualified herself.

[maddiejoan]

22. Going by her comments

you'd have a better case if you said she was speculating on herself.

I saw no mention of Obama anywhere.

[City Lights]

5. Agree. nt

[redstate_democrat]

9. I agree.

Her comments yesterday, and similar comments before, along with her actions have made crystal clear why she cannot and should not be our nominee and why she is incapable of leading this country. There is something in her that is lacking. We need a full, well rounded person right now.

[yardwork]

31. There's something wrong there, I agree.

[grantcart]

11. there is an odd line from Hillary's snipergate to her remarks yesterday

she put herself on probation with the first line and took herself off the list on the second.

[Celebration]

19. I agree

They both show a streak of the sociopath..........sad to say. Snipergate caused me to realize that she is not quite "right." This cements the deal.

[yardwork]

20. That's an interesting point. I hadn't thought of a connection between the two.

On the surface, the sniper lie came across as simply another example of a politician's self-aggrandizing exaggerations.

In the context of yesterday's comments, we see a larger pattern. The Clintons will say anything to regain the White House.

[K Gardner]

13. Agree.

[Geek_Girl]

15. I hope she gets out of this Primary with as much grace as possible

I've been an Obama support since Edward's dropped up and have been appalled by many of the Clinton's Rovian tactics in this campaign. But I really do feel that these comments are being taken out of context. The accusations of her publicly wishing that her opponent to be murdered is over the top and destructive to the democratic party as whole. I really wish people would stop and think before making these kind of accusations. It was pretty clear from the video and the transcript posted by Skinner, that she was using the Kennedy primary as historical context to justify her staying in the race till June.

[ej510]

18. I've been saying this for a long time that she would kill him in order to become president.

It is so obvious. She's itching to become VP so that she could have him assasinated. What a horrible deplorable person she is.

[SoonerPride]

23. I agree.

[yardwork]

25. I haven't said that I think that she wants Obama to be murdered, but...

her comments raise that suggestion all by themselves.

My reaction to her comments is not over the top. Her comment is at fault. Just as my reactions to Abu Ghraib are not over the top. The behavior of the U.S. government was over the top. My reactions to the invasion and occupation of Iraq are not over the top. The behavior of the U.S. government is over the top. My reactions to the suspension of rights of habeus corpus and other thousand-year human rights traditions are not over the top. It's the behavior of the U.S. government that is over the top.

Justifying one's campaign because a previous candidate was assassinated is over the top. Reactions of disgust and rejection are called for in this instance.

[Geek_Girl]

38. She was justifying her decision to stay in the race through June

because the McCarthy/Kennedy primary and her husband's primary ended in June. Her comments are being misconstrued and twisted.

The accusation that you are implying, is that she is staying in the race in hopes of an assassination. Sorry but that's over the top.

[yardwork]

43. No, that's not what I'm implying. I'm responding to her exact words.

You can spin it any way you want, but her comments carry a clear message: "Another frontrunner for the nomination was assassinated in June once, so I should stay in the race at least until June."

I'm not accusing her of "hoping" for an assassination. I'm saying that her opportunistic reference to a horrific day in American history is disgusting.

[1776Forever]

30. Yes! Yes! Yes! There is no other way to say it!

:argh:

[yardwork]

34. kick for more feedback. Agree? Disagree?

Thanks to everyone who has posted to this thread for not using any hateful phrases or insulting terms against anyone.

[Swamp Rat]

39. Agree

:hi:

[Yael]

40. Agree 100%

[crickets]

45. Agree. -nt

[Pisces]

47. agree.

[zulchzulu]

48. Just got back from doing my Obama table and...

...there is nothing but disgust from everyone who came to the table. Even a few Clinton supporters were no longer supporting her.

She went over the line.

[NC_Nurse]

49. Agree.

[Warren Stupidity]

50. She crossed it a few weeks back and just circled around

and lapped herself. Although, having said that, earlier this week I was once again in favor of the unity ticket. Now, not so much. She keeps doing things that really disgust me. I have to balance that with wanting to win in November. Mostly I just want her to stop.

[yardwork]

51. lol! Good metaphor. "lapped herself"

[ForeignSpectator]

53. Agreed, in the very, very, very least she disqualified herself for the job on so many levels...

...and totally. From her actual "campaign", disorganized, incompetent and bankrupt, financially as well as morally, to comments like this following by non-apologies which are at the very, very, very best extremely insensitive.

[mainer]

55. Can you imagine her negotiating with Russia or China?

Can you imagine the gaffes she might commit? "Careful or we'll obliterate you?" "Careful or you'll get assassinated?"

Is this the person we want conducting diplomacy? Or answering a 3 AM phone call?

[Willo]

57. Agree.

[kwenu]

58. If Obama were to be out of the race I would hope Edwards would be put forward at the convention.

[shadowknows69]

59. Yes with a cherry on top