I am amazed by the Hillary apologist

[gabeana]

Ever since she realized back in early March that Obama was going to take the nomination Hillary Clinton’s long-term strategy has been to do her best to ensure McCain will win this November so she can become the Democratic nominee in 2012. But she had a short term strategy too and on Friday she deliberately made it explicit in a newspaper office in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. There she suggested that someone is likely to step up to the plate and assassinate Barack Obama in the waning moments of the California primary, just as Bobby Kennedy was forty years go almost to the day. The wish is mother to the deed. If anything does happen to Obama in California Mrs Clinton should surely be indicted as a co-conspirator.

especially over their outrage over "bitter Gate" and the "handshake snub" remember the Hill supporters greatest hits "he hates women" that one is my favorite, well here is great little piece on her "not a big deal assassination" remark you know where she implies "I need to stay in because Obama might get killed" thats what she was really saying you know that, right, Hill supporters

Death-Wish Hillary Primes Manchurian Candidate
By ALEXANDER COCKBURN

"How to else construe her grotesque remarks in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, in the editorial offices of the Argus Leader newspaper. Here she told the editors, "My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it," she said, dismissing calls to drop out."

snip//
To get added insight into what a truly nasty woman Hillary Clinton is, remember that her remarks on Friday came a couple of days after Edward Kennedy was diagnosed with a malignant brain tumor. Next thing you know, his fellow senator is saying that California might well be celebrating the fortieth anniversary of his brother’s murder by killing the candidate he has endorsed for the nomination

To get added insight into what a truly nasty woman Hillary Clinton is, remember that her remarks on Friday came a couple of days after Edward Kennedy was diagnosed with a malignant brain tumor. Next thing you know, his fellow senator is saying that California might well be celebrating the fortieth anniversary of his brother’s murder by killing the candidate he has endorsed for the nomination


http://counterpunch.org/

[maddiejoan]

1. and I'm amazed

at anyone who can rationally support this Rovian sleazebag fraud named Barack Obama.

[SoonerPride]

4. plonk

your pizza is about two weeks away but I can't wait that long to remove you from my life

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[gabeana]

7. Hey maddie who used Rove as support lately

come on do tell? D

[maddiejoan]

9. I dunno

Donna Brazille and her friend Obama?

[gabeana]

11. thank you

you disregard the truth as much as your candidate, your true colors are showing

[maddiejoan]

12. Please

You're so deep into the Kool-Aid that you piss rasberry.

[JVS]

21. Unless you're lying, go ahead and pull a Walt Starr!

Come on, I dare you!

[maddiejoan]

38. I don't know what that means.

[JVS]

41. If you're so ashamed to be associated with this site, let Skinner know

Here is what pulling a Walt Starr means

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2507034

Since you said it in here, go ahead and do it. Or didn't you mean it?

[maddiejoan]

44. Is that all?

That's easy.

[JVS]

46. Well, go to it. Get it done.

[apocalypsehow]

Oh, that would be sweet. But that Walt character looks like he at least had some courage if not

brains; the poster you're replying to prefers to snivel around and whine rather than do something that honest, brave, and straightforward (if foolish).

[JVS]

49. I don't think she has the guts to do it, but we'll see. She says it would be nothing.

[gabeana]

52. I don't think so either

even though a few post down this Hill supporter was bragging how tough they are

[JVS]

53. Just like Bush, all hat no cattle

[sniffa]

61. It's all just wailing bravado

If she were going to do that, she would have just done it.

[apocalypsehow]

42. Why don't you get a head start and vacate the premises starting today? You won't be missed. n/t.

[roguevalley]

66. then leave. go. scat. vamoose.

for jo up the list. this falls way down from where it belongs sometimes. :)

[TBF]

75. then why are you still here? It is optional to participate in online

forums.

[gabeana]

5. you mean the one who uses the Rovian map

to justify herself staying in, you guys are too funny and the best part is you don't even realize it:rofl:

[maddiejoan]

8. Laugh all you want

when this campaign is looked at in the future --you'll see just what a Rove like campaign has been run on Obama's behalf.

[gabeana]

13. This is for you Maddie

Breaking News: Hillary Clinton now thinks Karl Rove's a political genius

Today, Clinton began citing Rove as the ultimate expert on who was the strongest Democratic candidate in the Nov. 4 general. And we've got the exclusive maps below to prove it, all four confidential pages.

No, really!

Until very recently -- like suddenly this afternoon -- Karl Rove was to most Democrats the Great Satan, the political mastermind of two outrageously stunning Republican presidential victories by a Texas goofball governor and, before that, the unfortunate upset ousting of a popular Democratic governor named Ann Richards, as well as the overall rejuvenation of the Lone Star state GOP in statewide offices.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/05/hillaryclinto-1.html

[maddiejoan]

17. Saying he can make a good guess of outcomes

and actually using his tactics (as Axelrod does for Obama) are two very different things.

I have no doubt that Rove CAN make a better guess than most.

[gabeana]

22. Rove did a really good job in 2006 didn't he

you support a liar something you yourself are familiar with, the kool-aid drinker is you, Hillary is the new Rove,After reading your stuff I now have a better understanding how people supported Bush

[maddiejoan]

26. Sorry no.

The new Rove is David Axelrod.

[gabeana]

27. Please explain

[maddiejoan]

34. One has only to observe his campaign

to turn Hillary into being percieved as a racist lunatic --and now recently --she's apparently Anegela Lansbury in the Manchurian Candidate.

Classic Rove.

He turned John Kerry into a coward and a flip-flopper.

He turned Gore into an effeminate liar.

He turned Howard Dean into a crazy, off his meds liberal.

Roveian tactics. Pure and simple. Make them the opposite of what they are.

I much prefer Hillary's types of attacks which stick to FACTS and not sly distortions.

[gabeana]

43. What facts

like Tuzla, Nafta, Family Leave Act, or that Obama is an elitist, some one who just finished off paying student loans vs some who has reported over 100 million in income, or how about an't even work a coffee machine, or this doesn't know how to pump gas, or the panderer on the gas can't even find an economist to support her plan,

here is recent article on race baiting, read it if you have guts like you have implied

"What was once coded is now explicit. Clinton openly talks about her appeal among “working, hard working, white voters.” The implication here is that blacks are lazy, shiftless and on the welfare dole and that perhaps only half of their votes should count. But shouldn’t someone remind her that her husband dismantled welfare? Perhaps her former mentor Marian Wright Edelman should make the call."

"Coming from a Wellesley grad who just loaned her own campaign nearly $12 million, Hillary’s attempts to peg Obama as an elitist requires a degree of chutzpah that might make Alan Dershowitz tingle with envy. But when the Clintons tag Obama as an elitist, they don’t mean primarily that he is rich (which he is) but that he’s an “uppity nigger.”

snip//

"For the dull-witted, Clinton’s surrogates are sent out spell it out in capital letters. Obama used cocaine (Bob Johnson). Obama’s middle name is “Hussein” (Bob Kerrey). Obama is a master of “shuck and jive” (Andrew Cuomo). Obama is another Jesse Jackson (Bill Clinton). Obama’s story is a fairy tale (ditto). And, most recently, Geraldine Ferraro told the Los Angeles Times that Obama is a “sexist” (most black men are, right?) and she won’t vote for him if he is the nominee."

"To sum up: Obama is a drug abuser, a huckster, a secret Muslim, a con artist and a misogynist. And that’s without dragging Jeremiah Wright into the scenario."

http://counterpunch.org/stclair05212008.html

[cliffordu]

64. DING DING DING We have a winner!!! Nice post!

[Lucinda]

72. Yup.

He took DP out for a spin to work the details out first.

[Shae]

33. maybe you can supply a

few examples of Obama's Rovian tactics.
TIA

[maddiejoan]

36. Do you think of Hillary Clinton as an evil racist?

[Shae]

58. No . . .

but I certainly think that she's been exploiting race and racism.

Edited to add: But that's not really an example,is it?

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[maddiejoan]

23. I'm not on meds.

but I am alerting on your personal attack.

[gabeana]

25. Oh my god you are so tough n/t

[maddiejoan]

28. I certainly am.

Quite tough in fact.

Wanna get it into it with me, little boy?

[gabeana]

29. sure why not?

[maddiejoan]

35. Okay

go for it.

[gabeana]

45. I alreqady have and your not holding up so well

with those dimwitted responses Down goes maddie

[cliffordu]

68. So. fucking. what. What's your point??

[totodeinhere]

10. I don't know why the mods allow anyone to say something that...

outrageous about our probable nominee.

[maddiejoan]

14. So alert me

He's not our nominee yet --but I don't care.

If they Tombstone me --it's their site --I certainly won't lose sleep over it.

[Skrelnick]

19. I guess you are correct that he is not our nominee yet

After all...people get assassinated. Remember?

[maddiejoan]

20. Oh go back to what ever rock you crawled out from.

He isn't our nominee because he hasn't yet won the needed delegates --and there is no way he will until the convention.

[SwampG8r]

54. i thought you were gonna walter whats his name ?

[MonkeyFunk]

16. He's not the nominee

and far worse is said every 15 minutes about Clinton here. It's ridiculous how you guys want to be able to say anything you want, then expect special protection for your guy.

[totodeinhere]

48. I called him the "probable" nominee. I was trying to be generous to her supporters.

I guess we're back to the two wrongs make a right thing.

[yardwork]

50. I think that you're confusing two different things.

First, there are the things that candidates actually say. Hillary's mouth said that Robert Kennedy was assassinated in June, so she should stay in the primary race at least until then. You can spin that any way you choose.

Barack Obama has not said anything like that. So if you're comparing "things that Obama has said vs. things that Clinton has said," I'm not seeing much of a comparison.

Second, there are the things that anonymous posters say on an internet bulletin board. Geez. They say all kinds of stupid crap. If I held some of the posts made by supposed Obama supporters against Obama, I'd never support him! Same for Hillary.

To compare "things people say about Hillary" to "things that Hillary has actually said with her own mouth" and somehow say that that reflects poorly on Obama - well, that doesn't compute.

[cliffordu]

71. Do you and Maddy share a cubicle??

[Crunchy Frog]

24. Posts like this will soon be against DU rules

and will get you a well deserved tombstone. Can't wait.

[maddiejoan]

40. Good

Me neither.

[smiley_glad_hands]

37. The only candidate embracing rove and faux news is Hill.eom

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

47. Maddiejoan, your candidate cited ROVE's analysis as proof she would win

So why are you trying to call Obama "Rovian" and as an insult?

Shouldn't you be insulting your own candidate who cites Rove in her
talks?

[Kittycat]

56. Projection - it's all they have left.

ETA: Of course that's a classic rove tactic as well.

[cliffordu]

63. Them grapes must be SOUR!!

[roguevalley]

65. your hate is showing and it looks so bad. Hillary is the one who

quotes Rove. Remember?

[stevenleser]

69. Wow, you survived all this time to be plonked by me now. That statement was utterly contemptible

Bye.

[sellitman]

2. She got caught....move on already.

:sarcasm:

[SoCalDem]

3. California's primary was Feb 5

but she still is "celebrating" June.:puke:

[MADem]

30. What an historically clueless and astoundingly irrelevant comment.

Did we only have thirteen primaries this year?

And two caucuses?

Did the party leadership assign the winners in the remaining states? Why NO, that is not what happened.

If you want to compare 68 to this election, we'll have to do it by the book, and add up those same primaries, eh?

I don't think you'd LIKE those numbers. Let's review those lucky thirteen, and see who won them this time around:

California/Clinton
Oregon/Obama
Nebraska/Obama
South Dakota--JUNE 3
Wisconsin/Obama
Illinois/Obama
Indiana/Clinton
Ohio/Clinton
Pennsylvania/Clinton
New Jersey/Clinton
Massachusetts/Clinton
New Hampshire/Clinton
Florida/Clinton

[SoCalDem]

62. um.. I was not "arguing with you"..

whatever :)

[MADem]

76. Nowhere in my post did I even use the phrase "arguing with you."

So I don't understand first, why you said that, or second, why you put it in quotes.

This IS a discussion board. What I was doing is called DISCUSSING the subject matter.

Hop on that "I am PROUD to use the IGNORE BUTTON" train if you can't stand discussing issues on this discussion board, if that makes you happy.

Whatever, indeed.

[cliffordu]

70. I think your point would be better served by using the 1912 election..

[WeDidIt]

18. I had exactly two people on ignore yesterday before the story broke

I am now close to 100.

[2rth2pwr]

31. You must be proud, is Skinner on that list?

[MADem]

32. That's the spirit!!! LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEEEAR YOU beats having a silly old political discussion

ANY day!

[Berry Cool]

57. Then again, there are some people one simply can't have a discussion with

because all they know how to do is ridicule and deride their opponents up and down with scorched-earth straw-man attacks, and then declare themselves victors of a logical, sound, reasoned argument.

Present company excepted, of course.

[WeDidIt]

59. Wanna hear something funny

Two of those people who I simply cannot have a discussion with responded to my post.

;)

[MADem]

74. Post fifty nine sort of proves my point.

I just think that boasting about how one is essentially afraid of a competing opinion isn't a finest hour for anyone.

If people break DU rules, all that needs to be done is hit that ALERT button, and if they do it enough, they're gone.

And if people are baiting, stalking assholes, that IGNORE function is certainly useful. But exercising that function to the point where no dissent is permitted to squeak past? Why, that's, I think, a bit pathological. After all, this is a discussion board. Or it used to be, anyway. Now, it's closer to an echo chamber...

[apocalypsehow]

39. I'm no longer amazed by them. There is simply no craven, despicable low their Queen won't stoop to

that they won't scoop up and gobble down with a spoon - and then get angry when people point out that they are gobbling down rancid shit. They have forfeited the right to be taken seriously.

[kevinmc]

51. I am not amazed ..... watching almost 8 years of Bush apologist ..

you get used to seeing examples of morass.

[gabeana]

55. thats what this come to with some not all Hill supporters

now I am going to the park with my kids

[Pisces]

60. The only answer is that they are paid bloggers. There is no other rational excuse.

[cliffordu]

67. Yep - I've thought that for a while - the waves of postings on the

same lousy specious talking points, the mindless repetition of those same waves....Just like Government work....

Astroturfing at it's finest.

[anigbrowl]

73. Nah, I don't think so at all. This is a common phenomenon.

Guaranteed, you can find the same sort of behavior in mac vs. PC debates and all sorts of other things. I must have spent 10% of my adult life arguing politics with people in my spare time for a grand total $0 in earnings from political writing. Why? Don't know, can't help it.