Assassination is never ever an acceptable

[shraby]

thing to raise in the context of a campaign for president. I lived during the times that are referenced, JFK, MLK, RFK and saw all the hopes and dreams of a nation die with them, never to be resurrected until Obama came down the pike. Because of these deaths:

I saw the space program get trashed, it was like Columbus discovering the new world, taking the word back to Spain and then having his ships sunk, and it was so wonderful to see the program put a man on the moon and we just knew that Mars would be next.

Students of college age finding it harder and harder to be able to afford any higher education than high school because of the ever tightening of grant/loan requirements, and everyone knows the more educated the population the brighter the country's future.

People on the lower rungs of society finding it increasingly harder to hang on to even the lowest rung.

Senior citizens finding the increases in their social security checks being taken away by medicare and the prescription drug program, even my father who served in WWII saw his check made smaller simply because he was born in 1921..a notch baby, which also made my mothers social security check smaller.

Health care? Enough has been said about this boondoggle.

No, assassination is not an acceptable campaign slogan, strategy, or word at all. She needs to go hide her head for a good long time...past even 2012.

[Oleladylib]

1. To say that the hopes and dreams were dashed for 40 plus years...

is more than an exaggeration...Obama is NOT the answer...He is NOT JFK, RFK, or MLK....The comparisons are ludicrous, misleading and some kind of pie in the sky dreaming...My kids grew up in a wonderful era, college grads all...good jobs, all, good families, all...We are struggling now because of the idiocy that replaced reason in 2000.

[cbc5g]

5. Yeah the Kennedy's who suggested that have no idea who JFK RFK or MLK are....n/t

[Oleladylib]

18. That was politicing for sure...Did any of you experience that era...

These were tough talking dudes...who had a lot more concrete ideas on social justice, international relations, economic stability than Obama has even minutely come through with..but, dream on.

[SoxFan]

47. So, only Boomers count

Time to get out of the way.

[Zachstar]

6. Take a hike!

Your insults are meaningless your posts are poor in my view.

Get outta here!

[BlooInBloo]

7. Oh - well then - it's ok to talk about *Obama's* assassination!

Since he's not JFK, RFK, or MLK!

God you guys are sick.

[Oleladylib]

13. There isn't anyone who wants to see another person killed..

but you don't jump from idolizing to annihilation...That's assinine..

[Oleladylib]

14. There isn't anyone who wants to see another person killed..

but you don't jump from idolizing to annihilation...That's assinine..

[mkultra]

9. HRC is so insane that supportering her makes you look insane.

[Oleladylib]

11. IYHO.

[mkultra]

45. sometimes that and fact coincide

thus is the case now.

[PoliticalAmazon]

15. Her intent was quite clear: she was prompting the bigots --who she has...

whipped into a self-righteous fury, such that they are acting out on their bigotry and proudly talking about it in front of TV cameras-- to act out in assassination.

Sorry, I can't see it any other way.

She goaded and prodded them to acting out their bigotry in the voting booth--and then brag to the media about it later--and now she's just upping the anty in the acting-out process.

Why hasn't the Democratic Party stood up against this? Do they believe that assassination as a campaign strategy is acceptable?

Their silence speaks more than words every can.

[Oleladylib]

19. That's as funny as afternoon TV...a very lot of imagination and whipped cream.

[PoliticalAmazon]

22. I am very good at reading intent of politicians. I've studied their strategies...

both academically and professionally.

It's clear to me--and many others--what Hillary's intent was. Unfortunately for her, is the reality of the Wiccan rule of 10-fold: what one does is returned to them 10-fold.

[shraby]

10. It is NOT an exaggeration. I've seen this

country go from bad to worse to worse to worse until you can take a look around you today and assess the damage.

[PoliticalAmazon]

24. Bush Jr took 8 years to nearly destroy America. Hillary in a few months...

as dragged the Democratic Party down to now we are worse than the Republican Party.

Bush Jr didn't advocate assassination of Al Gore or John Kerry in his campaigns. Bush/Rove didn't blatantly pander to bigots. And Hillary's use of Bush/Rove campaign tactics has been carried to such an extreme that she is worse than Bush Jr ever hoped to be.

She's done this all in just a few months. The Dem Party used to be BETTER than the GOP. We had more honor, integrity and ethics.

No more. That will be one of the saddest aspects of Hillary Clinton's sad and twisted, putrid legacy.

[Zachstar]

31. Bingo!

[Marnieworld]

16. I guess RFK's widow was being "ludicrous" I guess

Since she actually said that Obama reminds her of RFK. What does she know? :eyes:

[Oleladylib]

20. but....didn't elaborate if you remember.

[Marnieworld]

25. How do you know? Were you there?

[Zachstar]

2. AMEN!!!

The loss of the Saturn V program means that we will likely not get back to the moon until 2025

[Oleladylib]

4. GOOD!

[Zachstar]

8. You got a problem with spaceflight?

[Oleladylib]

12. No, not a priority in the bigger picture...too many millions to feed.

[Zachstar]

17. Please get an education.

Spaceflight technology has given a HUGE benefit to mankind! Not only with the spinoff technology but the use of its public domain resources to help development and discover problems years before other sensors could.

I guess terms like.

Landsat Program

Shuttle Radar Topography Mission

NOAA

Apollo applications Project.

etc...

Mean nothing to you eh?

YOU COULDN'T CARE LESS!

Like I said please get an education.

[Oleladylib]

21. Since I teach..I guess I can represent an opinion...oh ...science by the way.

[Zachstar]

23. I feel very sorry for your class...

A sad day when people like you are allowed to teach the next generation.

[Oleladylib]

43. there is alot more to science than the moon, folks...

[Swamp Rat]

29. And in science class, what do you teach them, using what instrumentation?

During 5th grade, my science teacher spent half a year letting us design and launch rockets using solid rocket fuel. Now I use satellite imagery every day to make maps for people like you and your class, farmers, teachers, businesswomen, politicians, statisticians, planners and architects, the weatherman on TV.

Yes, planting seeds, dissecting frogs, studying leaves, and reading about newtonian physics are an important part of learning science, but to discount NASA and what we have learned since the Saturn V program is a mistake.

[TahitiNut]

34. Creationism?

:rofl:

[shraby]

28. You forgot

pacemakers, and other medical improvements that have occurred because of the space program.

[Zachstar]

30. Good point!

The spinoffs have given some much to the economy and public safety and it angers me when some uneducated person in my view shrugs off the space program like it is nothing.

[shraby]

32. I watched the first sputnik go over when I was in

high school and had stars in my eyes after that! It was great..watched the splashdowns on t.v. and everything. Then after JFK it was like they sunk the boats.
We have become a nation of cynics since then, not believing a thing that comes out of Washington because we've been conditioned that most of it has been and will be lies upon lies upon lies.

[Zachstar]

33. I know it is OT but have you heard of the DIRECT program?

http://www.directlauncher.com/

I want Obama to consider this because with this program he can have his money for education and still have a serious moon program started.

[shraby]

37. I'll have to look that over.

Not much info on the main page.

[Zachstar]

38. Read this

http://launchcomplexmodels.com/Direct/documents/DIRECT_Summary_v2.0.1.pdf

[BlooInBloo]

3. AmericaBlog has a nice post about it....

http://www.americablog.com/2008/05/assassination-begins-with-ass.html

Hillary is guilty as sin, and here's why. When you write or speak publicly for a living, sometimes you screw up, but there's still an internal censor that shuts you off when certain topics come to mind. One of those topics is death, particularly pertaining to political candidates. When Ted Kennedy fell ill last weekend, for example, I wanted to write about what would happen to his Senate seat if he died. But you don't do that in politics (even if, with an evenly divided Senate a lot of political insiders were understandably concerned about the day's events) - you don't do that in civilized society - so I referenced, politely, how succession would work in Massachusetts "if for any reason Kennedy were to step down from his post." I made it sounds as if Kennedy might choose to resign, rather than talk about the very real possibility that he might die.

There have been a number of posts, in the past, where I've wanted to write that Hillary was "dead wrong" about something, and Joe would ping me and say "you can't do that." Why, I'd ask. Because you just can't say anything that sounds like "death" surrounding a political candidate, especially a presidential one. An even more recent, and relevant, example happened only hours before Hillary invoked Bobby Kennedy's assassination yesterday. Joe sent me a paragraph from an MSNBC story in which Hillary's top advisers talked, again, about some unforeseen event bringing down Obama before the convention. The graf was creepy, it gave both of us a ghoulish feel, but we didn't write about it because it would have been equally ghoulish to even bring up the notion of something violent happening to a candidate, even if we were writing about Hillary having been the person to raise the notion.

I'm even having a hard time writing about what Hillary said now. I don't know what to title my posts. I'm not sure when I should even use the word "assassination." For Hillary to invoke Bobby Kennedy at all when talking about this race, let alone to use the word "assassination," is beyond creepy. It isn't done in politics. Even if it's just because of superstitious fears of jinxing things. In Europe, old Europe at least, you don't talk about serious illnesses of another, lest the mere mention bring the illness down on you and yours as well. In politics, we all have a bit of Old Europe in us. That is why what Hillary said is so startling, so offensive, and so horribly telling. You reference, if you must, "the horrible tragedy of Bobby Kennedy." (And even that is a stretch.) But you don't invoke assassinations, out of the blue, especially when there is a lot of fear, sotto voce, about the safety of the other guy in a country with an unfortunate history of political violence (see, even just now, I had written "assassination" and it so gave me the creeps, I changed the word to "political violence").

What Hillary said wasn't just sickening. The very fact that she said it broke a lot of unwritten norms in this town. And that's horribly telling about who this woman is.

Bottom line:
(a) It's not remotely plausible that her comments - repeated - were accidental.
(b) Even if, contrary to all plausibility, they WERE accidental, that's immediate proof that she's not fit to be President.

[TahitiNut]

36. To believe that an "experienced" politician doesn't use words for their IMPACT on the audience ...

... is an exercise in denial befitting the most extremely neurotic.

There's not a single remark Hillary has made (repeatedly) in her campaign that's not designed to have an IMPACT on her audience ... and to Hell with "intention." The correlation between 'intention' and the remark is an order of magnitude less than the correlation between 'audience impact' and the remark.

It's astonishing that folks don't seem to get it. Politics is almost ALL about choice of words for their effect on the audience.

[EFerrari]

26. Exactly.

If those leaders hadn't been killed, the Clintons would never have even been possible because this would have been a different country.

She needs to get out and go away.

[ericgtr]

27. LOL I see lots of "Ignored" posts in here.. Another troll that I don't have to see

I love this feature!

[BenDavid]

35. All that would be good if any of it were truth. There is no truth to

you saying HRC was in any way saying that assassination is good. She in no way inferred this. Hell, back several months ago she basically said the same words and the whoremedia nor obambi folks get all upset because all knew she was saying that campaigns can run for a long time, and some can run into June. BUT, what changed this time round. Well, that same whoremedia is so far up obambi's ass they had to find fault with HRC's words this time.

YOU WANNA SEE HYPOCRISY? LOOK AT ALL THE OBAMBI FOLKS AND THE MEDIAWHORES GOING APESHIT OVER THESE COMMENTS.

I shall stay with the words of the son of RFK, RFK Jr." I have heard her make this comparison before...it would be a mistake for people to take offense." It was true back several months ago and it is true today, but then again once the mediawhores voice their opinion then the parrots of obambi soon follow suit.....

HYPOCRISY........


Shalom
Ben David

[Liberal Veteran]

41. Obama really scares the shit out of you.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but I suspect your issues with Obama are actually your own.

[earth mom]

39. Sorry but if RFK Jr. doesn't have a problem with it, neither should you.

His father was the one killed after all.

You all need to take the emotion out of this and look at the context of what Hillary actually said.

[shraby]

42. I did and she had no business saying it.

[earth mom]

48. She didn't mean it the way you've all twisted it.

DU is officially crazy town. :crazy:

[Perry Logan]

40. Can a party this stupid possibly survive?

[BlackVelvet04]

44. it was a campaign slogan or strategy it was a fact....

grow up.

[Combative Democrat]

46. Since when do you make up the rules?

It was acceptable for RFK Jr.

[windoe]

49. Barack Obama is not RFK, MLK or JFK,

he is his own man. What he has in common with these other men is that he is a visionary, and he has heart. This country is starving for a vision right now and is suffering from such collective heartbreak, humiliation and financial ruin that this is the leadership that is resonating at this time. The youngest people cannot remember any president but Bush & Co.!!! All they know is the devastating news of the last 8 years, and now they see a man who is trustworthy, strong and loving, and they are awakened to a possibility that just has not been available in their lifetime. Older folks like me are reminded of our childhood through teenage years, when our dreams were awakened by such humanitarians.
Our country has always done well manifesting great dreams and now we can dream up a future of alternative energy, of healing our wounds, mending the damage done overseas, and of somehow living in harmony again.
This is the time for inspiration, and we cannot allow our dreams to be stopped. Not This Time.