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[ej510]

Today, 03:22 PM
supra5677
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The Secret Of African Americans;please Read

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After being on this blog for a while, I have noticed their are 2277 decent people on here. Id'e like to share and explain the true meanings of Reverend Wright, and the sources of Black Power.

Black Power, survival and viability is based on Black Grievances. What I mean by black grievances is lingering effects of slavery, economic unfairness, and poor social conditions. The Civil Rights Movement led by MLK was based on Black Grievances. Now here comes the part Black folks don't want anyone to know. The Civil Rights movement was a JUST movement with legit inequalities and it was rooted in non violence. But there is a darker side of Black Grievances and it is rooted in UNJUST grievances. I will say this honestly and truthfully as I can: Most of the time the grievances of African Americans are JUST but there are times when we USE these GRIEVANCES IN an unjust way to gain power. Here is where the Obama campaign, African American and others are at peril. The racial movement againt Hillary is based upon an INJUST GRIEVANCE. African Americans are using legit grievances to JUSTIFY their use of INJUST GRIEVANCES.

Saying all whites that are voting for Hillary is an INJUST GRIEVANCE perpetuated by the media and others and nothing good can come from that. To understand Reverend Wright in this context is simple. Reverend Wright uses a combination of JUST AND INJUST rhetoric to further his church, and his own personal financial success. You better believe that after that Hillary rant and rave more folks put money into the collection plate. I understand Black Grievances or the Grievances of all colors and genders quite well. However it is evil and toxic to use unjust grievances against other people. Next time you have a negative interaction with an African American please understand what dynamics are at work. Ask yourself are these grievance just or unjust? Using unjust grievances leads to false realities of victimization, forced white guilt and other nasty things to cover up for something else. The democratic party is divided because many underlying aspects of the Obama campaign are rooted in UNJUST CLAIMS. Those who live without guilt can see right through this, those who live with guilt pray that Obama can take their guilt away. Hope this helps.


AlexG
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Thanks Supra5677

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Thanks Spra5677. What you said is clearly exhibited over and over in this Primary race. The problem is not just against Hillary. They use it against any voters who do not vote for him. If he is the nominee, it will continue to use it against Hillary supporters until he is elected. It will go on to no end.


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Supra, Thank you.

I request you to send only that content to every super delegate. Please also write it as an article and send as Letter to Editor.

Thank you.


supra5677
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it is used against Hillary and her supporters daily in the black community. Trust me. The only reason the Civil Rights movement was successful was because it was a righteous movement


mooaks
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Thanks Supra5677

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That's what makes it so wrong for a race to use the "You owe us" effect on people who were not around, even in the 60's. Many white people, and people of color have lived in hormony because of integration, without many knowing anything at all about riding in the back of a bus, fire hoses turned on masses. So even though things are better, there is a long way to go.

Now I am going to say something that I hope will not be taken the wrong way. I just think it is a crime to run a black candidate against a woman because it do nothing else but divide. First woman to run for presidency against a black. How do you control that inner excitement that have been with blacks for years that "We finally have one of our own that can possibly run for the presidency" Any way you slice it, when blacks vote in the numbers they have for Obama, it does appear that race is an issue.

On the other side of the coin we have a woman running for president. Woman of all colors have a tremendous amount of excitement and passion for the first woman that not only is running, but has a good chance of getting to the top of the mountain. So, here we are, the race is just about over and each side is passionate as hell for their candidate.

Black people, especially older black people perhaps feel that "we are due" for something good to happen to us. While women, also feel that "finally, something good may just happen for us finally after years of oppression in the workplace the glass ceiling has a great chance to be shattered.

So I guess what it comes down to is I want Hillary to be president of these United States. Many people want Obama to be president of these United States. If Hillary gets the nomination, I will jump for joy. If Obama gets the nomination, I will hang my head in shame for the Democratic party. Not because he is black, but because bottom line is RACE IS AT THE HEART OF THIS RACE and the best candidate did not make it because of it. Many of us will feel that it is another TOKEN award an appeasement if you will.



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Quote:
Originally Posted by mooaks
I just think it is a crime to run a black candidate against a woman because it do nothing else but divide. First woman to run for presidency against a black. How do you control that inner excitement that have been with blacks for years that "We finally have one of our own that can possibly run for the presidency" Any way you slice it, when blacks vote in the numbers they have for Obama, it does appear that race is an issue.

On the other side of the coin we have a woman running for president. Woman of all colors have a tremendous amount of excitement and passion for the first woman that not only is running, but has a good chance of getting to the top of the mountain. So, here we are, the race is just about over and each side is passionate as hell for their candidate.

This is what I find totally irrational. Why didn't the DNC make Obama await his turn? Unless he's a tool against Hillary. Cannot think of another reason the DNC would allow this...

This is something they'll regret when everything comes tumbling due to Obam's failures and tainted associations.

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=13069

[ej510]

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Quote:
Originally Posted by mooaks
I just think it is a crime to run a black candidate against a woman because it do nothing else but divide. First woman to run for presidency against a black. How do you control that inner excitement that have been with blacks for years that "We finally have one of our own that can possibly run for the presidency" Any way you slice it, when blacks vote in the numbers they have for Obama, it does appear that race is an issue.

On the other side of the coin we have a woman running for president. Woman of all colors have a tremendous amount of excitement and passion for the first woman that not only is running, but has a good chance of getting to the top of the mountain. So, here we are, the race is just about over and each side is passionate as hell for their candidate.

This is what I find totally irrational. Why didn't the DNC make Obama await his turn? Unless he's a tool against Hillary. Cannot think of another reason the DNC would allow this...

This is something they'll regret when everything comes tumbling due to Obam's failures and tainted associations.


:puke:

[Evergreen Emerald]

2. Let me get this straight: you post a few paragraphs from a website

an an attempt to paint all Hillary supporters as racist? Isn't that stereo typing?

I am certain that I could find some Obama supporters who posted horrific things

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6113663&mesg_id=6113663

does that mean that YOU are an evil sexist pig?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

3. Your paintings are hanging on the wall here.

Quite a gallery.

[Evergreen Emerald]

5. Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

You are not one to attempt the high road.

[newmajority]

4. "Why didn't the DNC make Obama await his turn?"

Sums it all up right there, doesn't it?

Hillbots truly believe that Hillary has a RIGHT to be President. She certainly believes that herself.

[sudopod]

8. BACK OF THE BUS! nt

[Evergreen Emerald]

10. "hillbots" Yes. You give yourself away.

No credibility. While you pretend to abhor offensive stereotypes, you use them to close your mind and justify your hate.

yes. you summed it up.

[Windy]

12. Your candidate has played dirty politics from the beginning...

What happened yesterday was the icing on the cake.

I have lost all respect for Senator Clinton..

[Evergreen Emerald]

23. Please

you close your eyes to the political crap your candidate has pulled and distort and exaggerate anything Clinton has done to justify your hate.

[newmajority]

29. Not so

I have always made the distinction between legitmate supporters of Hillary Clinton, and Hillbots. On that board, they are definitely the latter.

[AuntPatsy]

9. getting more insane by the minute

[CreekDog]

22. read my posts below, his quotes aren't the half of it

:hi:

[billyoc]

6. The Secret Of African Americans!

Now it can be told!

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[CreekDog]

24. by white people

this will be like the telephone game i think. :eyes:

[Submariner]

7. TOKEN award an appeasement

I have not seen the "token black" statement in a few years. I guess it's back. Those posts indicate the nominee will be selected based on skin color.

That is a false assumption, I, and I feel many others, will be basing my vote on overall competence. Skin color has nothing to do with it, except for some outliers like Geraldine Ferraro.

[CreekDog]

11. i like this thread: "KGO's Christine Craft - Defends Hillary on JFK remarks-"

don't tell me she said it about JFK too? :banghead:

[CreekDog]

13. and this gem: (grab your inflight sickness bag)

the following nonsense was quoted there:
"If it looks like they are going to give Nobama the nomination before the convention- I think a drive to coordinate a mass defection from the democratic party is in order. Perhaps, if we can show the DNC that we're serious about not voting for HIM in the General- it will sway the final vote in Denver. I know that some states have non-affiliated registrations- But, I do believe that most of the swing states require either DEM, REP or IND. Correct me if I'm wrong- an IND can vote for whomever they choose in the General, right? Reaching FL and MI voters is a good place to start since they are already disenfranchised, mad and ready to make a stand.

Can you imagine Dean's face when the numbers start coming in... 10, 20, 30% of the party jumping ship to IND with him having no way of knowing which way we'll go? Am I off base here- are those numbers of party changes reported to the committees?

Maybe a forum sponsored web site- I'd chip in, for sure! Are the phone lists from previous states still available?

*warning: this thread will not self destruct in 5 seconds- may have to delete it in a day or so and take the communications private somewhere- PM's or chat..

What do you all think?"

I am so spitting mad- this whole Lake County debacle has me convinced that we are dealing with larger forces than the OBmites. It is our own party who is strong arming! We need a mild revolution!

[sniffa]

14. "Correct me if I'm wrong- an IND can vote for whomever they choose in the General, right?"

Fucking idiots

[ej510]

15. And these people in their minds believe that they are not racist.

[CreekDog]

16. Saw that too. I guess Obama can't seem to get through to that person

i wonder why? :eyes: :dunce:

[qijackie]

17. You know, all that was kind of interesting. I agree with the conflict of the "inner excitement" of

the supporters of Senator Clinton vs the "inner excitement" of the supporters of Senator Obama.

[CreekDog]

18. another quote (i think we are getting closer to the sentiment there with this one):

"Im ready RIGHT now to leave the party, even if Hillary gets nod. I want Independent lets do this people. All defect the party."

[CreekDog]

19. and another quote, this one voting for McCain (although the message is hard to understand):

"i was thinking about defecting after i get mccain nominated (only if obbammer gets nominitaed) but then i thought i should stay a registered dem and always vote opposite of dnc and in general elections vote republican.
i have to vote mccain if obbammer gets nominated i couldn't live with myself if my vote got wasted by a write-in or independent vote or by sitting on hands and the fool got elected and ruined the country. hillary and mccain are the only viable candidates. no affirmative action for president, enough already,"

this is horrendous. :puke:

[CreekDog]

20. finally a voice of limited reason, i get to this post (in the interest of fairness):

"How long have you been a Democrat? This is difficult for lifelong Democrats like me. It seems much easier for the Independents and Republicans in this Forum.

I am also a State Delegate vying for a National Delegate for Hillary.
I also am EXTREMELY CONCERNED about the Supreme Court. John McCain is chomping at the bit -- I just heard a few days ago -- they want to overturn Roe v. Wade, and they are 1 Supreme Court Justice away from accomplishing that. My only hope is that the Senate and Congress goes Democrat with McCain as President. Obama is PATHETIC, but I'm with Hillary on this --McCain is not the answer. I would be willing to live another 4 years under a Republican President, IF AND ONLY IF the Senate and Congress is Democrat."

sounds like there are lots of Republicans and Independents over there.

[ej510]

21. Wow fuckin wow! A blatant racist supporter of hers.

Notice how no one condemns racism on that board.

[dchill]

27. Now why would you expect them to condemn...

their best "political" tool?

[ej510]

25. You have love how McCain is a viable presidential canidate for

Hillary supporters.

[CreekDog]

28. here's another McCain booster (I think these people are getting played by Republicans):

"this is a bought election, the only way one can win, and even then, depends on how deep the pockets go, would be to defect to another, my support will go to mccain, he is a hawk, a maverick, but i still feel he is a man of integrity, and has had many differences with bush, seeing him in the white house i can endure, having a racist dem in the white house, with wright and farrekham at his side, well it speaks for itself

not voting only aids the racist dems, a vote for mccain would help him win, and he will do the job


MCCAIN = INTEGRITY - WHO HAS GIVEN MUCH TO THIS COUNTRY"

the above on a forum that supports Hillary. i don't get it.

[XOKCowboy]

26. Why didn't the DNC make Obama await his turn??

I think the people had something to say about that. Remember who was the inevitable candidate right up until January of this year? Until the people started voting I mean.