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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:18 PM
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Stephanopoulos: Hillary's campaign is talking about taking the fight to the convention
Edited on Sat May-24-08 05:24 PM by seafan
Long suspected, we are now seeing the Clinton playbook.


Superdelegates, NOW IS THE TIME TO END THIS.

Do not enable this calculated abusiveness against Barack Obama, the Obama family, the voters and our democratic process any longer.




Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., steps away after a statement to the press at Sunshine Foods in Brandon, South Dakota Friday, May 23, 2008. (AP Photo/Elise Amendola)



http://www.americablog.com/2008/05/stephanopoulos-hillarys-campaign-is.html">Stephanopoulos: Hillary's campaign is talking about taking the fight to the convention

by John Aravosis (DC) · 5/24/2008 02:00:00 PM ET
Americablog


Tuesday is going to be a very bad day for any uncommitted superdelegates. It's going to be the day they get to tell us why they haven't pick (sic) a candidate yet. Whether it's for the same reason that Hillary Clinton is dragging out a race that she's already lost (hint: rhymes with "abomination"). ..... but the real people to blame are the superdelegates and our party leaders who let this idiot continue her reign of terror long after she should have left the scene. And now we see more evidence that the Clintons were scheming to take their nomination battle all the way to the convention - here is what Stephanopoulos reported yesterday:

Before those comments today, there was a strong view inside the Clinton campaign that they should try to push this MAYBE EVEN BEYOND June 3rd or 4th, and take this fight over seating the Michigan and Florida delegations to the convention, if necessary. This was raising some hackles at the Democratic National Committee. IT'S A LOT LESS LIKELY to go forward now after these comments. As one Obama strategist put it, this could be the last straw.'


Could be? She basically invoked her opponent's assassination. What else does she need to do to convince the superdelegates that she ain't exactly presidential material?

So, Tuesday is the day that the uncommitted superdelegates will get inundated with questions about assassinations. (And perhaps it's time to pick off a few of Hillary's own superdelegates as well.) I can't wait to see them defend her comments when constituents start calling their offices.





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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:21 PM
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1. she'll still stay in the race to the convention because she wants to harden her supporters
from ever considering Obama when she gets voted against on the first ballot at the convention.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:21 PM
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2. Of course they are. And on January 20, 2009
she will still be trying to bully her way onto the dais to take "her oath".
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:35 PM
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8. That would be quite a scene, wouldn't it
Have the TV cameras show her being dragged away when she tries to jump on stage to take the oath. :rofl:
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:51 PM
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12. "FIX THE PANTS!"
That one's especially for all you King of the Hill fans... :hi:
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:24 PM
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3. She's in it to win!
Winning. Winning. Winning. Winning. That's her measurement of success. Winning.

She's like the guest that wouldn't leave. x(
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:25 PM
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4. Vile woman..little fucking hilary
who never met a lie she wouldn't tell or a victim she wouldn't play.

Look at her..she looks like she's just waiting to throw some more of her famous stinky shit into the airwaves.

And, of course, she's the mediawhores' darling 'cause they need those convention fight ratings.

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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:26 PM
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5. It's a bluff, she wants something from the super delegates
And is under the assumption that they will give that something to her if she agrees not to take it to the convention.

Taking it to the convention makes absolutely no sense. She knows that even if she emerges as the nominee from that brokered convention, the party will be divided, she will get horrible press coverage compared to McGramps who will have a staged convention, and enough African Americans will stay home to give her trouble in key states. Basically, she can win if she gets the nomination from a brokered convention.

And if she is trying to take it to the convention just to sabatoge Obama, the superdelegates won't have it. Even her own superdelegates will defect. They know the party is fucked if we have a brokered convention and they are worried about their own jobs.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:28 PM
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6. She can take it to the convention
and after the first floor vote they can escort her and Bill out.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:30 PM
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7. If she does that, let her have it
I'm serious. If she takes it to the convention the nomination will be a prize not worth having at that point. She knows that and that's why she might do it. So I say that if she does that, Obama should call her bluff and let her have it. Be magnanimous and step aside for the good of the party and let her go down in November. Then the nomination is his if he wants it four years from now.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:41 PM
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9. I agree wholeheartedly.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:02 PM
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18. Obama would not do that, he couldn't because he actually cares
about his country and knows another four years of republican rule will destroy what is left. I believe he will win the General Election but, even if he does not he is a man of integrity who will have tried his best to turn his country around and start it back on the right path, imo.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:14 PM
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19. I believe that as well. n/t
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:43 PM
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10. "She basically invoked her opponent's assassination" Do most of
you obambi supporters fight mental health? For some obambi folks to say that HRC wants the killing of another human being is sad.

Where did you come up with the thought she was invoking the killing of someone? Did you think that up by yourself or did you hear some mediawhore so far up obambi's ass say it?

Seems kinda strange these comments were made several months back and the mediawhores did not even say a word because they knew she was reflecting on the lateness of some campaigns that run into June. Simple as that. Now HRC makes those same comments into a question and the mediawhores go apeshit. Hell, for them and obambi folks to call her a bigot and a racist I guess is not good enough, now it seems from all your apeshit comments you would like another human killed so you can all go apeshit again and call HRC, murderer. WOW!

So, I must be and way many more HRC supporters are the only sane ones in this forum. WHY are we sane? Because we take Rfk jR AT HIS WORDS WHEN HE SAID, " i have heard her make this reference before, also citing her husbands 1992 race, BOTH were hard fought through June. But I think it is a mistake for people to take offense."

Even the Argus Leader's Ex. Editor said, " Her reference to Mr Kennedy's assassination appeared to focus on the timeline of his primary candidacy and not the assassination itself."

So, I did not need Rfk to verify what I already understood what she said, but it does make a difference when the son of the slain person can find no fault....

Shalom
Ben David
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Ioo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:46 PM
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11. FUCK YOU HILLARY CLINTON! - YOU LOST GET THE FUCK OVER IT.
I had nothing against her for the longest time, she was the same shill as the rest of them, but she is hell bent on fucking this up for all of us dems...

Now I will sit back and wait to be called a sexist.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:58 PM
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17. Ditto
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Jazzgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:15 PM
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20. Ditto twice.
n/t
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:52 PM
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13. Yes and operators are standing by to take your donation
to pay for the private jet and suites at The Ritz Carlton Denver !
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qijackie Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:55 PM
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14. I hope she takes it as far as she wants to take it.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:56 PM
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15. Today, the real anger is setting in for me.
Andrew Sullivan writes:


May 23, 2008


I was on the stairmaster when the news came through. And I saw the apology as well - an apology to the Kennedy family, I might note, not to Senator Obama. Since some seem unwilling to point out why this remark was more than unfortunate, it is worth remembering that we have the first black candidate for president. You only have to spend a few minutes talking with African-Americans about this campaign to discover that the fear that Obama could be assassinated is very much on their minds. It is in everyone's subconscious, especially Michelle Obama's. To refer to the June assassination of Bobby Kennedy in the context of reasons to stay in this interminable race against Barack Obama is therefore catastrophically inappropriate. Coming after her pitch for "white votes", it is reckless.

As for her argument that June primaries are nothing new, she is correct. But in no previous primary election did the voting start just after New Years' Day. The New Hampshire primary in 1968 was on March 12, two months later than this year. For June, therefore, read August. Yes, this season has gone on for ever. And for Senator Clinton, it has now obviously gone on too long.

She's been waiting for Obama to implode. Instead, she just has.



More fallout:


"My jaw just dropped -- I think she just basically shattered her hopes of being named as vice-president," said New York State Sen. Bill Perkins (D-Harlem), one of Obama's top backers in Clinton's home state. "To use example of an assassination I think leads one to believe that she may be talking about something unfortunate happening to Barack Obama. Couple that with the other remarks she made recently about winning the white vote and her husband's statements and I'd say something is seriously amiss," Perkins said.

Al Gore's 2000 campaign manager Donna Brazile, an uncommitted superdelegate who has been complimentary to Obama, told Newsday: "I am numb."





You know I just, I don't understand it," she said, dismissing the idea of abandoning the race.

Clinton said she didn't understand why, given this history, some Democrats were calling for her to quit.

.....

Recent reports suggested she may be discussing ways to end her campaign by being offered the vice presidential slot underneath Obama, but she rejected that and said she suspected the talk was coming from Obama aides.

"I would look to the camp of my opponent for the source of these stories," she said. "People have been trying to push me out of this ever since Iowa."

Two of those recent reports, however, were attributed by CNN and The New York Times to supporters of Clinton.




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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:57 PM
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16. James Clyburn called her latest comment "beyond the pale." n/t
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:20 PM
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21. Gosh, the media has been so right about everything else, why should I believe boy george this time?
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:22 PM
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22. So she gets more time for an assassination attempt on Obama.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:23 PM
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23. i wish Gore would have stayed in it til the end, I really wish he did....
:cry:
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:25 PM
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24. She will ruin her career in politics.
Not to mention what this will do to the Democratic Party.

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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:02 PM
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25. So? They have been all along. But it won't happen. The Party will step in. nt
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:30 PM
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26. Time for the SDs to put an end to
this fiasco.
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