Who else used to LOVE Bill Clinton, and now DESPISE him?

[Skrelnick]

Sadly, me.

For all the reasons I am sure will be elucidated herein.

I will preface this with the following fact(s): I am stoned. Happy. But coming off a recent break-up and so I might be sad. Whatever.

Bill was my Prez. This country did SO GREAT during his tenure.

But now, wow. He has become corrupted by all these dollars poured upon him by his corporate sponsors. His thirst for power has not been slaked; nay, it has only increased. His wife is not only a business partner, but his power surrogate.

Say anything. Do anything. Deny everything. THIS IS MY RIFLE, THERE ARE MANY LIKE IT BUT THIS ONE IS MINE.

[slinkerwink]

1. I used to love Bill and called him the Big Dog.

[mcctatas]

2. I still love him...

I just think he is suffering from pump head...

"Brain damage during bypass surgery is so common that hospital personnel refer to it as “pump head.” The primary cause is emboli produced during surgery from clamping the aorta and from the “heart-lung machine.” This machine pumps blood to keep the patient alive while the heart is stopped during the operation. Unfortunately, this pump also introduces toxic gases, fat globules, and bits of plastic debris into the bloodstream of the patient under anesthesia. Once they are in the bloodstream, these particles migrate to the brain where they can clog capillaries and prevent adequate amounts of blood and oxygen from flowing to the brain. Essentially, all patients experience brain emboli during surgery and for many the damage is permanent.

In 2001, an article in the New England Journal of Medicine reported that 5-years after bypass surgery 42% of patients showed decline in mental function of approximately 20 percent or more.2 A study published this year (2008) in the Annals of Thoracic Surgery using MRI testing just after bypass surgery found brain damage in 51% of patients.3 Three years after their time on the bypass pump, significant permanent reduction in mental capacity was identified in 31% of patients. I am not talking major stroke here; but these patients can't remember names or numbers as they once did, experience sleep disturbances (including nightmares), suffer mood swings, and lose intellectual acuity. Approximately 30 percent of people suffer persistent depression and some even contemplate suicide.

Our former president needs our understanding and support. A simple explanation by his doctors of the cause of his recent aberrant behaviors should bring peace of mind to Hillary and her campaign staff. If Mr. Clinton better understood his current limitations, he and his staff could take precautionary steps to avoid embarrassments. A long-overdue explanation would help his adoring public more easily accept his mistakes and readily forgive him. It is not your fault, Mr. Clinton."

http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2008other/080412clinton.htm

[K Gardner]

24. I get mad at him every other day, but always come back to loving him. I campaigned

for and loved that man for 8 long years. He is flawed and imperfect, but he knows it. I think he'll come around. The pic of him campaigning for Obama, in my mind, are wonderful and I long for that. I hope it happens.

I'm mad at him tonight for the delegate comment.. but I'll be over it by morning. It's a sick co-dependency, what can I say? :eyes:

Can't say the same for his wife. She blew it with me, for good.

[cliffordu]

3. Yea, it's sad.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

4. Never did. Still don't. Never will.

He was the ultimate "not as bad", "lesser of two evils", candidate that did irreparable damage to my nose.

[CountAllVotes]

5. I was never that sold on Bill Clinton

I voted for him YES.

However, I never really liked him a whole hell of a lot.

I tolerated him.

That is the word.

Tolerated.

Now I despise him.

DESPISE.

Tolerate + despise = forget it Bill the shill (go on home and play with Hill and do the world a favor).

[Skrelnick]

7. Say word, son!

Word.

[amitten]

6. I still love him. Politics are dirty and to win sometimes you play

dirty. That's just the name of the game. He's still a great politician and did many, many fantastic things for this country.

And all the political maneuvering in the world cannot erase that.

Love ya, Big Dog!

[tokenlib]

8. Despise isn't the right word..disappointment and sadness is closer

After defending him for years, it is now like I never knew the Clintons. The arrogant ambition, the lies and deceit, the list of how they've disappointed me has gotten too long. It is as if masks have come off...

[Radical Activist]

21. Yes. Just like '98.

[tularetom]

9. How about used to just dislike him and now despise him?

The only reason I ever defended him was that all the wingnuts I know used to froth at the mouth at the mention of his name. Actually he was a bit to namby pamby and corporate for my liking. But he's gone completely off the deep end now and he and hillarity have both descended into bush territory (I mute the volume on my TV whenever they come on).

[BlueJac]

10. I never loved him that was up to Monica!

I used to think he was a good president, but now that I know more he was a republican loving free trade NAFTA lover. FUCK BILL, does he pay extra for the bags under his lying eyes?

[BlooInBloo]

11. I don't despise him - I just think he's a broken man now.

[Exilednight]

12. I put this up earlier, but I never loved Bill. He compromised to much for my taste ........

People tend to look at his Presidency through rose colored glasses instead of an objective eye. He was decent, but he could have been great. His failure to keep it in his pants, followed by lying under oath, compromised his Presidency and undermined his agenda.

Attempting to take on insurance companies is not the same as actually taking on the insurance companies. A's are not awarded for effort, and to be honest, it speaks volumes that Hillary failed to pass comprehensive health insurance while our party was controlling Congress.

Bill was short sighted when it came to the economy. Many of our economic down turns can be traced back to the North American Free Trade Agreement. It's great that he created many new jobs throughout the beginning and middle of the 90's, but he did nothing to protect those jobs and did everything to give them away.

Bill folded in his first six months with his "Don't ask, don't tell policy". All he needed to do was create a signing statement and then veto the Congressional bill, let it be overridden and then take it to the SC who would have more than likely sided with him. Again, it speaks volumes that he couldn't create a signing statement and have Congress defeat it when our party was in control.

He then signed DOMA into law when rethugs threatened with a Constitutional amendment, but didn't have the votes to back it up, and Bill folded like a cheap lawn chair.

Enron can be traced back directly to Bill's deregulation of the energy sector.

Several social programs were gutted from the federal budget under Bill's tenure, and responsibility shifted back to the sates.

[tpsbmam]

13. Never did love him. Never hated him. Admired him in some respects, in others

not so much. My feelings haven't really changed about him -- I'm disappointed in him, but I don't "despise" him.

[ecdab]

14. I prefer to think he has been blinded by his support for his wife.

He clearly doesn't see the big picture right now and he isn't operating with the greater good in mind, and he doesn't understand the damage he has done to his party and his reputation and his ability to lead. But when I think about my wife - I know I would toss away everything I have built in my life for her. I'm most likely romanticizing Bill here - but it is what I prefer to believe given the great respect I held for him for so long.

[Carolina]

34. support for his wife????

I rather think it's power lust. THEY want the White House back and he can't run.

[DesertFlower]

15. i adored him. i loved looking at him.

i loved listening to him.

now, i don't want to see him or hear him.

[WeDidIt]

16. Yep, used to love the big guy

Now, I despise him every bit as much as I despise Bush.

[Swamp Rat]

17. Disappointed

I won't defend him anymore.

[Marnieworld]

18. I used to love him but I can't despise him.

That's how much I loved him. I have cringed many times in recent months and feel that there is more to him than I realized. Yet after I learned about "bypass brain" I have forgiven him. It's something that happens to some heart bypass patients that affects their brain's ability to filter out inappropriate statements and sometimes cause rage flareups and such. I think my dad has it. Bill's not what he once was. I think both of them have really lost something along the way, something that power or money or wanting to belong with the cool clique has changed them in a negative way. I can't say hate towards them. I'm just sad. But I really wish they would accept defeat already. It's embarassing.

[elfin]

19. Loved him - now am over it

Happy for all his good deeds during his tenure.

Not happy for the caving in to corporate interests - both during his tenure and after for his library.

Happy for the good works for AIDS, Africa, Tsunami after his tenure.

Not happy with advice given to his long suffering wife.

The Clinton Drama must end for America to go forward.

He (and She) are the Past -- Obama is the Future.

Turn the page.

[Radical Activist]

20. I always had mixed feelings about Bill.

He never followed through on most of his '92 progressive campaign promises, lied to the country and wasted the last two years of his Presidency because he wanted a bj. But overall there were a lot of things I appreciated about his Presidency. Now I have no respect for either Bill or Hillary.

[Lady-Damai]

22. I never loved him. I liked him....not anymore....

:(

[femmocrat]

23. I liked him when he ran in 1992.

Started hating him during the Monica mess.

Can't even stand to look at him now.

[DogPoundPup]

25. Please!!!!!!!My God!!! Bill never was what you thought he was

Bill Clinton bribed and buttered up every member of Congress he could to pass NAFTA in 1993.

Anyone who wants chapter and verse on how cynical the Clinton team was on the price of deindustrialization should read Louis Uchitelle's book of a couple of years ago, The Disposable American. And for a refresher course in the realities of the "peace and prosperity" that the Clintons promise to bring back there is Robert Pollin's devastating account of global austerity at the end of the '90s, Contours of Descent.

[Genevieve]

26. I loved him.

And now I am infuriated with him.

[kwassa]

27. Not me. I still like Bill Clinton.

Probably the best president in my lifetime.

[Buck Rabbit]

28. I voted for him in 92, abstained in 96 because he was going to win

my state anyway and I didn't want to give him my vote.

He is the most over-rated President I have ever seen talked about here.

He did nothing but sign some bills of the Republican congress. Accomplished nothing on his own except get elected twice denying a truer republican the office.

He is credited for a booming economy and balanced budget which were not his doing. Internet Boom, High tech gold rush and a spend thrift republican congress were much more responsible.

What exactly were his great progressive accomplishments?

But I don't hate him. I do think his blow job cost Gore about 15 million votes though.

[TheDonkey]

29. I cannot stand him anymore and will not tolerate his dirty like tricks

and how he threw just about everyone under the bus to continue Hillarys terrible campaign.

[Diane R]

30. It's sad that he was so desperate to return to the WH that he sold out his reputation.

[mzmolly]

31. Still love Clinton.

He's human.

Welcome. :hi:

[Az_lefty]

32. I used to respect the guy for all the goods things he accomplished, but no more.

the Clinton's need to exit the Dem party.

[Carolina]

33. loved him, now

loathe him and feel I got played for a fool. The wingnuts of yesteryear were right.

[Duke Newcombe]

35. I reserve "despise" for his wife. Him, I just pity, now... n/t

Duke

[americanstranger]

36. I don't despise him.

I do wish that he'd go into retirement and quit trying to be, umm, 'Bill Clinton.' If you know what I mean.

- as

[frogmarch]

37. Me and mine will always love our Big Dawg. nt

[sojourner]

38. despise is not quite right........"disappointed & sad" captures my sentiments better