The RIGHT One

[NanceGreggs]

I admit it. There are some “talking points” that have been raised here, over and over again - dumb, irrelevant, and insufferably whiny - and yet I just can’t resist responding to them.

One of my favorite TPs was posted yet again tonight; it's one that has been specifically directed at me in response to some of my posts several times over the past few months.

It’s a little ditty called “Who’s the RIGHT ONE?”, sung to the tune of “Why Aren’t ALL Women Supporting Hillary” – the implication being that “all women” (because we do, of course, tend to travel in herds and think, act and vote alike) should have been on the Hillary bandwagon from (dare I use the phrase?) Day One based on similarity of plumbing.

The contention of the “Who’s the RIGHT ONE?” crowd seems to be that any female not supporting Hillary is withholding their favors because they don’t actually believe that any woman is worthy of their vote. And for womanhood’s sake, let’s not get into serious discussion about policies, positions, style, or that thruthiness factor which is, after all, just another means by which The Man keeps us down.

So, for those who are yet again asking the question, “If Hillary isn’t the right one, who IS the right one,” here’s the answer.

The right one would be someone who doesn't lie about sniper-fire and then, when caught in the lie, “takes responsibility” for her words by claiming sleep-deprivation, followed by an appearance on the Jay Leno Show to make a joke about having lied.

The right one would be someone who doesn't lower herself to mentioning "hard-working WHITE Americans" in a contest with a black opponent.

The right one would be someone who doesn't play girl, the victim or the martyr when confronted with opposition relating to her statements, her policies or her conduct that have absolutely nothing to do with her gender.

The right one would be someone who doesn't claim her husband's "experience" as her own – especially while, at the same time, disavowing any involvement in her husband’s policies that later proved to be disastrous, while claiming "shared victory" in his successes.

The right one would be someone who doesn't endorse a Republican POTUS contender as being a better bet than a fellow Democrat, nor someone who dismisses her fellow Democratic contender as being “a speech he gave in 2002”.

The right one would be someone who doesn't claim to be able to successfully run a country while obviously not being able to run an even remotely successful campaign.

The right one would be someone who pledges to NOT COUNT votes in certain states and then STICKS TO HER WORD, even when she’s losing.

The right one would be smart enough to realize that if you make a federal case out of trivial nonsense like "bitter-gate", talking about "assassination" is going to come back and bite you in the ass - HARD.

The right one would be politically savvy enough to know (especially when running on the "politically experienced" platform) that a reference to races that went on into June DO NOT REQUIRE a reference to someone being murdered as a result.

The right one would be astute enough to realize that when you're stiffing small business vendors during the course of your campaign, it might not be a good idea to hold yourself out as the champion of the "little guy" who is constantly getting stiffed.

The right one would be smart enough to graciously bow out when it was overwhelmingly apparent that they COULD NOT WIN, instead of changing the goalposts every fifteen minutes, or lying about their "lead" in the popular vote and/or invoking things like "performance in swing states" and "electoral votes" - knowing full well that such numbers are not relevant in a primary race.

In essence, the right one would be everything Hillary Clinton has proven she is NOT.

[sakura]

1. It's clear she's not "the right one." K and R.

It's sad to see the pretzel-like contortions her supporters have made to excuse every one of the blatantly non-feminist actions you've described above.

[Radio_Lady]

64. Nance, I have stopped recommending your posts. They have grown very inflammatory and

I feel bad for that.

The piece above is well written, but very divisive and unproductive in my humble opinion. I appreciate the fact that you were originally a Hillary Clinton supporter, but have "seen the light." May I point out that you have lost at least a couple of Nance supporters as I recall.

Yesterday, I had a BIG revelation. The wounds I was causing from engaging in dagger-plunging, name-calling, and inflammatory speech were really making me feel very bad. It's that infamous "circular firing squad" -- and it very well may prove to be irreparable. I posted Rudyard Kipling's poem "If" more to lift my own spirits after a horrible political week.

Then, something happened. One DUer suddenly extended a "peace pipe." I accepted. Then, I paid it forward with another DUer. I felt a great deal better after that.

I fear the more we fight with each other, the longer it will take to get back to positive equilibrium.

Do you agree?

I'll look forward to some kind of a beautifully written, positive piece in the future. No one could write it better than you!

Cordially,

Radio Lady Ellen Kimball in OREGON

[Name removed]

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[Radio_Lady]

69. Words do come back to haunt us... as will yours, mine, and Nance's.

I was pugnacious and I regret it.

If you are not ready to make peace on behalf of ALL Democrats, then I will just let you go. No worries. It took me weeks to come to this decision. It is a new direction.

Thank you for listening,

Radio Lady



PS. "He drew a circle that included me out. I drew a circle that included him in."

[papau]

102. Nance and other Obama fans smear Hillary & dismiss Hill fans - walking away may be very reasonable

[Radio_Lady]

108. Nance is one smart woman and I don't think she will lose any of her writing talents whatever happens

here or elsewhere. This is not to diminish or negate any of her other posts. Everyone has the right to change and grow and even switch positions, if they wish.

Furthermore, I'm convinced that I just can't remember enough about what any individual says here to even retain a grudge -- I'm having trouble remembering screen names among 120,000 people!

As I said before, I'm an Olive Garden-recommendin', Pakistani-woman befriendin', chicken-in-cornflakes dunkin', breast feedin' (not lately), Larry King-datin' (REALLY REALLY not lately), occasional misspelled or inflammatory-word usin' -- former broadcaster person.

Yes, m'am, I do have my faults. Yes, sir, I wish I were perfect, but here in this forum, I think I'm just among people more like me than not.

"I am a Democrat, and will vote for the Democratic ticket in November 2008." These people, whoever they are, need our complete support, not more condemnation. Even the people who did NOT win this race -- continue to need our support in their political battles.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady/238

Good night and good luck!

Radio Lady Ellen

PS. While I'm typing, I might add... if you told me "It's all about HER" when responding to my posts.... it's true! Most of my posts are pretty personal and revealing. Don't like 'em? Avoid 'em! Saves both of us a lot of heartache.

[The Doctor.]

74. Oh PLEASE...

"People don't like you anymore because you criticize my candidate."

In case you hadn't noticed, Nance's posts have always been inflammatory. The only difference is that she usually singled out the poor behavior of non-Democrats. Since you weren't singing the "can't we all just get along" song then, your tune now lies flat.

Here's a clue; When Clinton stops being a manipulative, divisive liar, people will stop pointing out that she's a manipulative, divisive liar. Until then, quit blaming everyone else for the divisiveness that Hillary Clinton is wholly responsible for creating.

Much though it's appreciated, and as much as I'd love to just get past all of this, 'your' candidate has personally inspired the vast majority of division here.... and I can demonstrate it.


Also, there's a reason it's called a 'rant'. When one points out a candidate's bad behavior, it can hardly be done in such a way to make people feel 'good' about that candidate, now can it?

[Radio_Lady]

77. Perhaps we will be on better footing at another time.

Dear Dr. Eldrich,

We do agree on this one! "A spoiled rotten frat boy who's never had to face real consequences should never run a country."

Even though she calles it "Nance Rants" -- the tone and the targets have changed. They are directed toward other Democrats and that is dividing us.

Furthermore, you have apparently NOT read the post on my position since April 2008.

Please go to: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady/238

Kindly refrain from referring to anyone as "your" candidate when you do not know my mind.

Thank you, Doctor.

PS. Say "hello" to Boston today! Hope the weather is good. We were supposed to be there for two weeks May 22-June 1 but had to cancel our plans! :-(

Good bye and good luck.

Radio Lady Ellen

[The Doctor.]

78. You've made your mind well known.

I know that you haven't been one of the particularly rabid supporters, but you've made it rather clear that you are willing to 'look the other way' when it comes to Clinton's transgressions.

I'll just be glad when it's over and the trolls and the small handful of vindictive (and very loud) Clinton supporters are swept away.


So you say 'good bye'... I hope you weren't planning on leaving. I've always enjoyed your participation here.

Good luck to you too,

Dr. E

[Radio_Lady]

96. Acknowledging your kind message, Dr. E. I appreciate it very much.

I'll be around but we have a very busy summer planned.

Hope yours is quite good -- we used to live in Sudbury, Massachusetts (almost 30 years there), and my husband was born in Brockton in 1934.

We have some unique family ties to Boston and it is regrettable that we're not in Waltham, MA today!

Peace, love and happiness, (our sign-off on the children's TV show we did in Miami, Florida in the 1950s)

Radio Lady in Oregon

[The Doctor.]

113. No kidding.

Pa Eldritch was quite literally a 'Rocket Scientist' at Raytheon in Sudbury. We lived in Westford oh so many years ago.

Lovely area, miss it much.

Have a nice Summer, love.

[Radio_Lady]

114. Thanks so much...

I'm putting you on my Buddy list, Dr. E. Good to spend some time getting to know just a little more about you...

Sincerely,

Radio Lady Ellen

:loveya:

The historic Grist Mill in Sudbury, Massachusetts

[The Doctor.]

117. Hehehe...

Such discipline... what a lovely balm you are.

It's so very true what they say, if you've ever had a 30 minute conversation with someone on the phone who dialed a wrong number, you're from New England.

Good night love, I'm still on EST.

-Dr. E

[gmudem]

95. Just because a Democrat is doing it does not make it ok

Clinton deserves to be called out for her repulsive actions. Just because she's a Democrat does not make it ok. We are better than that and this country deserves better than Clinton's nasty tactics.

[Radio_Lady]

97. I am posting the white dove for peace, here on the DU and nationally.

Thank you for your comments. I do understand your feelings.

My journal post still stands until further notice.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady/238

Radio Lady Ellen

[gmudem]

100. What a crock of shit

What we say on this board is not going to affect either campaign. However, when Clinton says so many stupid things she should expect to be called out for it.

It's fine that you want unity, but if Clinton keeps pulling the shit she's been pulling I'm not going to just ignore it and pretend everything's all fine and dandy.

[Radio_Lady]

105. I didn't say fine and dandy. I'm pretty much done with it, DUers.

Watched "Recount" this evening on HBO. I'm still devastated from that terrible supposed democracy in 2000-2001. We need a clean-up crew for all the fecal matter then and now. In Washington, and here in the DU, too.

You've pretty much got the final photo. June 4th. Then we need to focus FORWARD, not BACKWARD. What's the message of checking out the shit part of this process over and over and over again.

Trying to remain hopeful, I've cracked your crock, dried it all up, and will make sure it's mixed with the topsoil I'll spread around in 2009.

Good night and good luck.

Radio Lady Ellen

[odelisk8]

101. Democrat?

Not Hillary...Just because there is a D next to her name on the news does not a Democrat make...

[Radio_Lady]

111. Should I just tell you outright that's fuzzy thinking, or let it slide?

I'll just let it slide.

Thank you.

Good night and good luck.

Radio Lady Ellen

PS. If it makes you feel any better, I believe that I will NEVER vote for Hillary Clinton again. I don't live in New York and don't expect to be moving there any time soon.

I don't think she has any designs on the Presidency in future years, i.e., beyond the current campaign, which it appears she will lose.

Reality can hammer illogical thinking into the brain of even the most ignorant of us.

Consider us peons who happened to choose someone other than your candidate in this primary. Otherwise, I'm a pretty wonderful woman!

[papau]

104. Clinton stops being a manipulative, divisive liar" - funny - that is my opinion of Obama - not Hill

[urgk]

107. And we will respect that opinion if you can back it up....

...with facts. Show us how Hillary has been the more moral, forthright, upstanding candidate and your opinion will gain some credibility.

[Radio_Lady]

112. URGK (gulp...) what is that? We've got all the cards on the table here on May 25.

Just what are you adding to the conversation that hasn't appeared before?

Good night and good luck.

RL in OR

[The Doctor.]

116. So long as they lie, they get called on it. The price of opening one's mouth in

the Reality Based Community is that you get asked to "back it up".

It makes it pretty clear whether one belongs here or not.

Papau has forsaken any such obligation to substance.

[urgk]

118. It's not about adding any new information.

It's about using old information to take care of a very obvious problem.

[The Doctor.]

115. Then you can provide examples. Oh wait... you're a serial liar, I forgot.

I have all kinds of links to your BS and your complete inability to back up said BS. Oooo! Here's one;
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5749919#5752133

No answer there either.

You have nothing. I thank God I have a modicum of reason that I may never live in delusions such as yours.

But then, you really don't see it at all... do you?

Ah... ignorance is bliss.

[urgk]

85. There will be time to be cordial...

...when Hillary has stopped trying to lie, cheat and subvert her way to the nomination.


In the meantime, I'd ask Nance to please keep sounding the alarm, to keep shouting that the Emperor not only has no clothes but that she has no moral compass, no sense of right and wrong, no sense at all of what it means to be diplomatic and no business on the Presidential ticket.

[Radio_Lady]

98. White dove time, at least for me. You obviously have different feelings.

I respect them.

Cordially,

Radio Lady

"He drew a circle that included me out; I drew a circle that included him in."

[urgk]

106. Like I said...

...there will be time to reconcile once Hillary has been shown the door. Until that time, anyone opposed to her amoral maneuvering should be as outspoken as possible. We don't have to be impolite, but we absolutely must be heard.

[Radio_Lady]

110. I heard you! No worries.

I don't think that "shown the door" is an accurate term, but if that's how you see it, fine with me.

:loveya:

"He drew a circle that included me out; I drew a circle that included him in."

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. My dear Nance!

I am so proud to know you!

It's wonderful to read your rants, because they always make so damn much sense!

Thank you.

K&R

:patriot:

[cliffordu]

3. Perfect. Thanks. K&R

[Mira]

4. A perfect rundown of reasons the right one in the race is the one who has had the class

to be firm but kind. Strong yet gently. Vigilant while knowing when to not pick up on an issue and hurt back.
The right one is the one standing while the wrong one has fallen into the pit her desperation dug.

I find it astonishing, but no longer surprising, that the potentially catastrophic event the Clinton campaign has been holding out for might have been brought on by her and that it backfired.

This is a beautiful piece Nance, thank you for taking us along the path of the very sad thing that has happened in this campaign.

Mrs. Clinton used to be someone I admired greatly, and would have pledged to support, until it came to a screeching halt when she voted to support the invasion of Iraq.

That is when the music stopped for me.

[Triana]

5. Thanks, Nance. Well said! K & R n/t

[union_maid]

6. You're good

And you're right. Hey, maybe you're the right one.

[charlie]

7. Pepsi jingle as more-feminist-than-thou warcry

Well, I guess I've finally lived long enough. Ack.

Good job, Nance. As usual.

[me b zola]

8. Nominated

~wish I could recommend more than once. I'm sick of a handful of women believing that they have the right to speak for me--or about me.

Thanks, Nance. :applause:

[Cha]

9. Excellent phrasing and reminiscing

on why hilary is Not The Right One.

Who knew this would turn into a gender thing by hilary and her die hards when this all started? It's obnoxious and only hurting them.

[grantcart]

10. Its clear Obama is the 'left' one k and r

[NanceGreggs]

12. Very clever ...

... "the left one" works on several different levels.

(But then you're kinda getting a reputation around these parts for having a way with words!)

[Prophet 451]

11. Good job, Nance

Barbara Boxer would be my pick.

[NanceGreggs]

13. Mine, too! n/t

[TahitiNut]

16. Yup.

:thumbsup:

[BattyDem]

17. Mine too.

:-)

[Irishonly]

23. Mine Too

[ekwhite]

53. Good pick

My pick is Janet Napolitano.

[azmouse]

72. I live in AZ and couldn't agree with you more.

Janet is a wonderful governor and has the potential to make a wonderful President.

[WillyT]

71. Yep !!!

:thumbsup:

[glitch]

89. And mine! K & R nt

[BattyDem]

14. Thank you for expressing my feelings better than I ever could!

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[ladywnch]

22. Ditto, Nance. It's almost like you troll my dreams and organize

all the chatter in my head and make it into cohearant sentences.

[TahitiNut]

15. This "testosterone-poisoned male" (one each) agrees whole-heartedly.

I find the objectification of human beings in commoditized batches, even by themselves, to be ethically and intellectually repugnant. Whether by race, gender, religion, or other irrelevant attribute that, in concert with all manner of variety, ensures the glorious uniqueness of each individual human being, such choices and inheritances become mere fodder for the exploitation and manipulation of others for narrow advantage and self-interest, that becomes the very essence of obscene. In all its forms.

[BlueJac]

18. Nance, you are one of the best..............

I always look for your posts. Thanks again for another.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

19. "the right one" did not vote for the Iraq War

that is my number one criterion that weeds candidates out.

[RoadRage]

20. nance.. maybe you should run in 2012?

It seems to me that you have a much better grasp of how to run for POTUS as a female candidate then Ms. Clinton does.

Kudos on your post. ;)

[housewolf]

21. There you go again, Nance, with that eloquence and inspiration

That always makes me feel good inside, like you've just reached in and put words to everything I feel.

What a gift you are to DU! Thank you a million times over for being here!

:loveya:

[vincenzoesq]

24. Ain't it the truth?

Dear Nance,
Thank you for speaking my mind SO much better than I can.

[NewHampshireDem]

25. Item One ...

on my list of things never to do: Piss off NanceGreggs.

Good lord, once more you have sheared away the b-s in a way that for the opposition must be like being disemboweled with a plastic spork. You're smart, you make sense, and you write like the Devil himself. I'm thankful you're on our side--but then, how could you not be? ;)

I can't wait to see what you do to John McCain!

[ms liberty]

26. K&R...and I'll add...

The right one would be a woman who had not distanced herself from liberals by dismissing their concerns and treating them like pariahs for the last 8 or more years - until she needed their vote.

The right one would be a woman who had not made every effort to cozy up to the worst of the right wingers like Newt Gingrich and Ricky Santorum over the last eight years, while running away from the aforementioned liberals.

[DerekJ]

27. Have you ever thought about professionally writing?!!

[NanceGreggs]

29. I was a professional writer back in the 'seventies and 'eighties ...

I worked in the music biz then, and was a staff writer for a music industry magazine. I also did some freelance work, again in the music biz.

It was a great time in my life. I was young and fecund, and got to interview so many artists that were then up-and-comers who are now household names.

Eventually I wound up running a consultancy company with an entertainment lawyer, and fell in love with the legal world. I became a court reporter, which I have been doing for 23 years - a job you couldn't wrench me from with a crowbar.

There have been offers re writing a book, based on my articles here - but I am what you call a true amateur - meaning I write here for the love of doing it, and for no other reason.

My professional writing days are (by choice) over. But writing is in the blood, and I am eternally grateful to everyone here who thinks my scribblings are worthy of reading, no less mention.

Thank you.

[charlie]

30. If you were published

by Creem, Circus, or Crawdaddy I'm gonna swoon. Those were my lifeblood when I was a young gigging headbanger.

[NanceGreggs]

35. No, not by a longshot!

Living in Canada since 1974, I wrote for "RPM Magazine" (now defunct), as well as a few other Canadian publications that were "all the rage" in their time.

The founder of "RPM" initiated the "Juno Awards", the equivalent of the Grammys, and was instrumental in promoting Canadian music airplay and record sales in the US market - including Gordon Lightfoot, Rush, The Band and others.

But my association with the music industry started with my first marriage (my husband was a record producer with Atlantic Records, and later ran his own studio and label). I was twenty when I moved in with him, and our first house-guest was Bo Diddley, who stayed with us for two weeks while my husband produced one of his albums. Ben E. King was a frequent weekend guest in those days, as was Earsel Hickey (you'll probably have to Google that name!), along with a myriad of artists who were famous 'back in the day'.

I remember when Carole King's "Tapestry" album was released - she called my husband, who had known her for years, and said, "So, whadda ya think? You always said I could sing - so whadda ya think now?"

I have been extraordinary lucky in getting to know people whose artistry is now legendary.

[charlie]

36. *thump*

Writing chops AND rock 'n roll experiences. Holy macaroni. Lady, if I wasn't smitten with my wife, I'd be singing under your window. Tonight!

[NanceGreggs]

37. Rock 'n Roll experiences ...

... that are now relegated to fetching a fair pence on Antiques Roadshow. Does anyone even remember "Cheap Trick" nowadays?

I DO, however, have a collection of memorabilia from back in the day: a badge-shaped record of one of The Police's first singles, a handwritten letter from the guys in Dr. Hook (complete with hand-drawn caricatures of themselves), etc.

My most prized possession, however, is a Christmas card (with personal note) from Jeff Wayne, who produced the album "War of the Worlds", a 'concept album' (as they were called then) based on the book. I had interviewed him when the album was released - and we quickly connected when we realized we were fellow Brooklynites.

The reason it is such a prized possession is that my son, (now a music producer and composer in his own right), "discovered" that LP in his teen years, and has loved it and been inspired by it since the day he first heard it. A classic case of what goes around comes around.

So go serenade under your wife's window, and remind her of why you fell in love with her in the first place. It's a song that never gets old, and never goes out of style - in fact, like fine wine, it's a song that grows sweeter with age.

[charlie]

38. Thanks Nance

Drum risers, Marshall stacks, and the thunderthump of my too-loud guitar were long a mainstay of my life. I'm always chuffed by stories from someone who's done rock 'n roll from the inside, and you've got some great ones.

My missus and I were a couple before Reagan was prez (yoiks!) and we signed on for the full meal deal. We can rough and tumble, annoy each other like no other, and still contentedly melt without a word when we're close. She's mine and I'm hers. And my caterwauling still charms her :)

[NanceGreggs]

39. ...

"My missus and I were a couple before Reagan was prez (yoiks!) and we signed on for the full meal deal. We can rough and tumble, annoy each other like no other, and still contentedly melt without a word when we're close. She's mine and I'm hers. And my caterwauling still charms her."

For anyone who might be tempted to say, "They don't write 'em like they used ta," I would link them to this thread and say ... "Ah, yes, they still do."

[charlie]

40. Aw, now

You're a good soul and someone's going to bed happy tonight. G'nite Nance, thank you again.

[NanceGreggs]

41. Say g'night, nance ...

"Good night, nance!"

:hi::hi::hi:

[ekwhite]

54. Jeff Wayne - I am jealous

It wasn't that long ago I turned my musicologist nephew on to "War of the Worlds." As I type this, the music from "Forever Autumn" is wafting through my head.

[canucksawbones]

60. War of the Worlds

A masterpiece of modern music.

I always saw that album as a modern classical work, much more than a concept album.
and I remember RPM magazine. (oops dating myself)

GK

[yardwork]

66. OMG Bob Diddley was your house guest!

Swoon. I listened to his music endlessly when I was a teenager.

[DerekJ]

32. You've a way of capturing what goes on my mind on paper; it's starting to freak me out.

:scared:

[muryan]

33. You always seem to articulate

what my clumsy fingers and intellect cannot. Thank you for continually expressing in strong yet irrefutable terms what many of us try to convey, but ultimately fail in the process.

[Imagevision]

44. Nance, two thumbs up for the piece you did on Scumbag Scalia

[IllinoisBirdWatcher]

57. No, Thank YOU :) n/t

[DerekJ]

28. kick

[Douglas Carpenter]

31. great stuff as always!!!

[JeffR]

34. Hater!

How dare you point out that the first really viable female candidate for the presidency happens to be a pretty lousy candidate?

For shame, madam, for shame.

[Cyrano]

42. How do I love your mind? Let me count the ways.

Then again, Elizabeth Barrett Browning said it all.

[caseycoon]

43. EXACTLY Nance! K&R

(seems like that's what I always say to you)
:D

[natrat]

45. she and slick think they are big time now that the moneyed overlords are using them as pawns

[Revlon10]

48. Right On

Thank you,
Nancy, I do enjoy all your post.

It's so clear to me now that the powers that be have been grooming her for this position, and she is so ready to play her position,
then comes along this young, brilliant, well mannered guy, he has been around for a while, but overlooked, well, because, uh, um, um, of his well, (all I will say is that people like him are unelectable) get my drift.
The MSM treats us like five year old children, and Hillary does the same, note text, her vote for the war, is somehow overlooked, all her lies about experience, NAFTA, the elitist crap, the hard working WHITE vote crap, and the list goes on and on.
Notice how this young man has not acted like she has. A ROTTEN SPOILED BRAT

That that media is calling her assassination comment a GAFT, its not a "gaft", if you have said it three times, and she was also twisting the facts, because, RFK was on his 13th primary, and her husband was not losing like she is, and she is damaging her party. so what is her point.
the only way she could win is if they somehow place her, which is what she is expecting.

But the problem is that this time the majority of the five year olds are growing up and paying attention.

Oh and another problem. People are actually voting, they can seal elections, but not when we all turn out.

[Jackpine Radical]

58. The press didn't overlook the war & NAFTA issues.

Their corporate owners took due note (in private) and counted them as qualifications, not liabilities, when they auditioned her for her role as CEO of Imperial Amerika.

[Revlon10]

79. Touché

[KarenS]

46. K & R !!!

Well said !!


If I may add one,,,,

The right one (for me) is able to admit to making a mistake and sincerely apologize for it.

[crickets]

47. Backbackbackback - GONE! Home run. -nt

:dem:

[rasputin1952]

49. Once again, neither of these candidates has kindled the fire in

me.

But for me to think that voting for either of them because of gender or race is appalling to me.

Out of the some 320+ million of us, this is the bet we could do?

I expect such things from the R's, pathetic clowns they have become, but for a Liberal, Progressive, or even someone with vision, to think race or gender has much to do w/being a president crosses over into a zone I care not to venture into.

The only thing that matters...who will guide this nation back to where it should be?

Given the choices we have...I think we have a ways to go.

[ekwhite]

50. Hillary Clinton has been the Wrong One since her vote on AUMF

Thanks for another great post.

[City Lights]

51. Good stuff, Nance.

Happy to recommend. :-)

[K Gardner]

52. Out of the PARK.. K&R

[riverwalker]

55. well said!

The RIGHT one would not be attached like a siamese twin to a former president, running in a 3 legged race.
Obtaining power through osmosis by marrying a powerful man is not empowerment! Hillary is so.......1950's.
The young women of today get it. And old veterans of the womens movement get it.

[IllinoisBirdWatcher]

56. I, too, wish I could Rec more than once

All of your posts are so well-written, thoughtful, and non-inflammatory.

Many thank yous to you.

[canucksawbones]

59. the right one

doesn't point out a vast right wing conspiracy, then snuggle up to it when it's convenient

[Steerpike_Denver]

62. As far as supporting female candidates

for no other reason than their gender goes, Hillary may be the first one to get this close, but she is far from the first "viable" female candidate (just as Obama is not the first viable black candidate). If gender solidarity were the overriding issue, why didn't these women support Elizabeth Dole in 2000? She had a fairly sizable following in the early days of that primary, with all the name recognition Hillary enjoys and, by the way, a far more illustrious resume of her own, not just reflected prestige from her husband.

Likewise, other black candidates have been taken at least seriously enough to be included in early party debates, like Alan Keyes and A Sharpton; and one, Jesse Jackson went so far as to gain actual convention delegates. None of these men managed to gain anything like the following Obama has inspired among the black community.

The magic combination of traits to make a candidate viable includes the ability to attract the mind-numbing amount of money necessary to stage a national campaign, name-recognition, charm, charisma, broad-based appeal that goes beyond the ideological base of the party, and a sense of "competence", that makes the electorate comfortable with the notion that the candidate has the stature to handle the job. These perceptions are not necessarily valid--witness the bumbling idiot we've got now--but the ability to project these qualities is enough. Sometimes the ability to raise money and name recognition are enough to overcome a less-than-stellar resume (I'm looking at you, George), and sometimes they aren't (Hillary?)

There are any number of women in the public sphere who could match these criteria, and who could, or could have, made estimable chief executives. Pat Schroeder, Shirley Chisolm, Barbara Boxer, Janet Napolitano, Ann Richards and Kathleen Sibelius spring to mind off the top of my head. The fact that they are women is irrelevant to their qualifications.

[jumptheshadow]

61. Sigh

It will be a relief when people start focusing on the task at hand.

[netgui68]

63. Nance...you do beautiful work...I wish you would...

Cross post over at MyDD...you would offer an excellent parralel to alegre, texasdarlin, and Jerome Armstrong. Thank you for your posts, you express yourself with clarity and style that many of us are not blessed with.

[Swamp Rat]

67. k&r

[quark219]

68. Well said. Great post. Thanks! {N/T}

[juno jones]

70. Hooked me in the opening paragraphs, Nance

To quote:

...“all women” (because we do, of course, tend to travel in herds and think, act and vote alike)...

This was the arguement made for not giving women the right to vote in the first place. We would vote with our husbands, we would vote as a herd, we would have no mind of our own.


I can't believe these 'feminists' are banking on our rallying around 'girl power' or whatever and casting our votes en masse for the person who shares our plumbing. This is not what our esteemed forebears would have desired.

You are right on Nance. As always you said it better than I ever could, and with a lot more class.

[Zambero]

73. 5 Stars!!!

But it's still sad to read this list and realize it as being the truth. I hope that Bill and Hillary do something positive in the future that might restore the admiration I once had for them.

[kentuck]

75. Nance, it is surprising to me...

that so many will yell that men hate Hillary but she gets the majority of the man vote in almost every election? They say she is losing because of "gender bias" but at the same time spit in the face of all the men that support her, as if she could win by the woman vote alone? Short-sighted and foolish, in my humble opinion.

[gulfcoastliberal]

76. k&r

[Seabiscuit]

80. Aren't you the "long-time Hillary hater"?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6100998

:evilgrin:

[Norrin Radd]

81. Reminds me of the Morrissey song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6D6Cs4yBSw

Let the right one in
Let the old dreams die
Let the wrong ones go
They cannot
They cannot
They cannot do what you want them to do
Oh ...

Let the right one in
Let the old dreams die
Let the wrong ones go
They do not
They do not
They do not see what you want them to
Oh ...


Let the right one in
Let the old things fade
Put the tricks and schemes (for good) away


Ah ... I will advise
Ah ... Until my mouth dries
Ah ... I will advise you to ...


Ah ... let the right one slip in
Slip in
Slip in


And when at last it does
I'd say you were within your rights to bite
The right one and say, "what kept you so long ?"
"What kept you so long ?"
Oh ...

[badgerpup]

82. I believe in equality...and this is the hard part...

...so much that I acknowledge that women (and I'm not pointing any fingers or naming ANY names here, OK?) are capable of being just as big a jerk/shit/liar/devious person as men.

The above is NOT directed at anyone running for public office, and unless they are extremely isolated or in deep denial, everyone probably knows some women with those...er...sterling qualities.

I reserve the right to choose my candidate based upon what they DO, not their chromosomes...
and that cuts BOTH ways.


:kick:

[FraDon]

83. Bingo, again, Nance! • k&r • Way2Go!

Most of your devastating list are gender neutral, and get to the heart of the matter that it's the HOW of as much as the WHAT. The right one understands and practices a democratic PROCESS with integrity, to achieve democratic results which benefit the common good.

Fascist practices, opposed to any common good, never yield results for we the people. I think O'Bama gets it. He's been a 'class act', practicing his preaching.

The right one, indeed, Nance! • p.s. Thanks for sharing the history. Please rethink the publishing; or more to this century, re-imagine the publishing.

[FraDon]

84. Bingo, again, Nance! • k&r • Way2Go!

Most of your devastating list are gender neutral, and get to the heart of the matter that it's the HOW of as much as the WHAT. The right one understands and practices a democratic PROCESS with integrity, to achieve democratic results which benefit the common good.

Fascist practices, opposed to any common good, never yield results for we the people. I think O'Bama gets it. He's been a 'class act', practicing his preaching.

The right one, indeed, Nance! • p.s. Thanks for sharing the history. Please rethink the publishing; or more to this century, re-imagine the publishing.

[immoderate]

86. Well done.

--IMM

[Laurab]

87. K&R AGAIN! nt

[Willo]

88. Very good, Nance! K&R

Hillary should read this then answer why she believes she's the right one.

[Arugula Latte]

90. Hillary does not speak for me, but NanceGreggs does.

:applause:

[Duder]

91. You’ve got good rhythm

You’re preaching to the choir with me, but not only do I usually agree with what you say, like so many others, I also admire the way you say it.

[krispos42]

92. Good one

:thumbsup:

This is why I'm not pulling for her over Obama. Her presidency would bear far too much resemblence to Dubya's for my taste, including the cadre of slick politicos that slide seamlessly from administration to administration, from department to department, from candidate to candidate, from lobbying firm to lobbying firm, and in between them as required. Politicos that are DNC, DLC, or Repub as required by circumstances and opportunity.

I do not doubt her ability to get stuff done. It is the stuff that she will get done that worries me. As in who will be influencing her about what stuff to get done, and how, and when. And the compromises and deals she will make in the process of getting that stuff done.

[TexasLady]

93. We-he-hell dammit ta hell

gotta rec and kick
Gotta love that White Shirt President.
:D

[solara]

94. We are so very fortunate that you post here on DU and I am always so proud of you

and of how perfectly and consistantly you speak for me and so many others.

Thank you once again. :kick:

You are an inspiration. :loveya:


:yourock:

[MadMaddie]

99. Another great post Nance!!

Not much else I can say that hasn't already been said.....


Bravo!!

[fortyfeetunder]

103. Nance, thank you.

This was so painfully true!

:applause: :hi:

[Divine Discontent]

109. she's the right one to lead an island nation over all people named Clinton - ha! K&R! eom

[KnaveRupe]

119. Nance, why do you hate your vagina?

It's clear that if you don't support Hillary's increasingly quixotic actions, you are somehow trying to garner a Y chromosome for yourself.

Turn in your ovaries at the door, thanks.