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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:54 AM
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DKos: Impact of Hillary's RFK statement...why its not going to get better for Hillary
Edited on Sun May-25-08 02:39 AM by dkf
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/24/19629/2660/498/522234

by ROh70

In one respect, Hillary was lucky that she made the statement on the Friday before a long holiday weekend. That means there will be a few days lull until the media gets back and running again. I'm sure she's hoping that the controversy will just disappear over the weekend. That's not going to happen. It will be a major issue of discussion on the Sunday news shows, and there is also another big reason that it won't just go away: the 40th anniversary of RFK's assassination is coming up in less than two weeks on June 5th.


I. Impact of Statement on media narrative and polling

1. First, come Tuesday, the MSM will pick right up on the RFK statement story. You'll see segments examining the historical angle, the political angle, the race angle, and the fear for Obama's safety angle. And, most importantly, the media narrative will be focused on examining how harmful the statement will be, not only to HRC's campaign, but to her political legacy and political future. Pundits will be debating if Hillary is done as a politician, and that is a discussion no presidential candidate ever wants being discussed while she is still running for president.

2. Second, the story will then get further traction as polls will be released showing what people think about Hillary and her statement. Here's a wild guess - people will overwhelmingly disapprove of the statement. I suspect many people will say she meant no harm, but still say that it was inappropriate to say. What will be interesting to see is how African Americans feel about all of this. In any event, the polling results will not be good for Hillary. Moreover, I suspect the polls will ask people what they think about concerns regarding Obama's safety. Again, not something that Clinton wants people to be talking about, especially if they are connecting her with raising these security concerns.

3. Third, Hillary is going to take a hit in the election polls. I'm fairly certain that the Obama is going to open up an even larger margin over Hillary in polls of democratic voters. And, I think there's a possibility that HRC will be hurt in general election polls against McCain. I predict her numbers will drop in blue states like California, Massachusetts, and Oregon, and also in states with a large number of African American voters. I'd also watch out for any negative impact in Florida and with older voters in general, those voters who actually remember the RFK assassination.

4. Fourth, Obama should see a jump in his general election numbers. Why? Because the RFK statement will be the event that convinces voters that this race truly is indeed over, and democrats will really start to see the race solely as one between Obama and McCain.


II. Impact of Statement on HRC's Campaign Strategies and Rhetoric

If my predictions about the impact of the statement on the media narrative and polling turn out to be accurate, then, we should see a noticeable impact on the tenor and rhetoric of HRC's campaign.

1. First, if the polling numbers do show a significant decline in support for Hillary, well, there goes the electability argument.

2. Second, it will be much harder now to make outlandish moral claims regarding her fight to seat the FL and MI delegates. She no longer has the moral high ground, as further agitation on this issue will be met with more open skepticism. Any threats to take the fight to the convention also will now seem offensive, as it will now be out in the air that HRC is doing all of this just in the off chance Obama may get assassinated. She can no longer credibly invoke slavery and disenfranchisement because everyone will have the RFK statement in mind and think, that's the real reason she's doing this.

3. Third, the RFK statement has basically stolen one of her memes for staying in the race - that anything can happen. No way she or her surrogates can say that again with raising in people's mind her offensive RFK statement.

4. Fourth, the RFK gaffe really takes the air out of the whole sexism meme. What the RFK statement has done is made Obama's safety and threat of racially motivated assassination attempts now a major issue. We all were concerned about it, but it was kept hush-hush, as no one really wanted to talk about it publicly. Well, now we will be talking about it publicly. And that's a good thing, and hopefully it will raise public awareness of this issue and perhaps somethings can be done to prevent it from actually occurring. Real concerns about Obama's safety amidst REAL racist threats trump manufactured concerns about perceived gender discrimination. Geraldine Ferraro's sexism nonsense now looks even more pathetic now when we're talking about someone's life, especially after she had earlier made a race-baiting comment about Obama. I can't see Clinton trying to push the gender card any further, especially since there really isn't much there. And, I don't think we'll be seeing a word out of Ferraro anymore.

5. Fifth, HRC and her surrogates will now always be on the defensive when making media appearances, because they will always have to answer about the RFK statement, just the way that Obama always had the answer the question about Wright for quite awhile. And, no matter how hard they'll try, this is one statement that will be extremely difficult to spin. Moreover, I suspect that Hillary will actually contribute to keeping it alive by refusing to apologize to Obama and by refusing to admit that the statement had to do with Obama. The media will keep hammering her for not apologizing, and talk about how that affects her standing in the black community.

6. Sixth, HRC is no longer going to push her white working class meme very hard. She'll still try to raise it, but the danger is that the media will ask her if she thinks emphasizing the white vote may stir up racial tensions and create more danger for Obama. That is not a question HRC wants to be answering. I think we'll see this really pernicious meme die a slow death.

III. Impact on perceptions of Hillary's character and fitness to be President

1. I think another victim of her gaffe is that her experience argument has gone down the tubes. The pundits were rightly questioning how such a seasoned politician with so much experience could make such a blunder. If it was a deliberate statement, it impugns her motive. If it was just a mistake, it impugns her judgment. The MSM will be debating over how such a smart and seasoned politician could be so tone-deaf to political realities as not realize that raising the spectre of assassination so openly was political suicide? Is she really ready to be President on day one?

2. Second, her refusal to admit she made a mistake is raising issues regarding her character and trustworthiness. A pundit raised this point on Olbermann's show on Friday, saying her response to the statement was reminiscent of her response to Tuzla. In both cases, she seems to be showing an inherent incapability of admitting to making a mistake and a willingness to lie to avoid having to admit to a mistake. I mean, are we honestly supposed to believe she talked about RFK's assassination because of Ted Kennedy's illness when she raised the assassination on several earlier occasions?

3. Third, the RFK statement may have irreparably breached the Clintons' relationship with the black community. The relationship was already in bad shape, but now, this may be the final straw for some African Americans. I will be very interested in seeing polls on African American views on the RFK statement. I actually think they will be more forgiving than you'd expect. But, we should still see a growing number of African Americans further alienated by the Clintons. Criticizing Obama is one thing, but to actually admit to thinking about his possible assassination as a reason for staying in the race may just be too much.

IV. Final predictions

1. Clinton will not play hardball at the rules meeting and will accept a reasonable resolution. She will want to do so, but she won't, because she'll get a clear message from party leaders that they will not tolerate anymore of her scorched earth tactics. The RFK statement has destroyed any last political capital she had with dem leaders and superdelegates.

2. She will suspend her campaign in a speech on June 3, after the Montana and South Dakota primaries. Why June 3? Because she doesn't want to make a statement on or after June 5th, the 40th anniversary of Kennedy's death. By quitting before June 5th, she'll avoid having to answer renewed questions about her statement and why she hasn't yet conceded or suspended her campaign. As June 5th nears, there will be a lot of discussion regarding the dangers to Obama and the history of political assassinations. This is not a climate to be continued a failed campaign after having made an offensive statement about assassination.

3. You will no longer hear calls from Clinton surrogates for Hillary to be made Vice President. Diane Feinstein on Friday pushed the dream ticket idea, a very strong sign that the VP slot was something Hillary wanted. Feinstein made the remark before the RFK gaffe came to light. I think Feinstein will be reconsidering her position on the dream ticket.

4. There will be no convention fight nor any more threats of a fight at the convention. Especially since people will be talking about the fact that Obama will give his acceptance speech on the anniversary of MLK's I Have a Dream speech.

5. Finally, there's a chance to Obama will sew up the nomination by or on June 3rd. Clinton's justification for continuing is that neither she or Obama has the requisite delegates, whether the magic number is 2025 or higher. The superdelegates will now act to take away the last remaining justification for Clinton staying in the race beyond June 3. They were going to go for Obama anyway, but, the RFK statement may have the effect of accelerating the movement of superdelegates to Obama. We should start to see them endorse Obama at a faster clip than before. And, we'll see a lot more Clinton supers (The Cardoza 40) switching sides earlier rather than later. They won't mention the RFK statement, but, I believe that will be the main reason for the accelerated pace.

So, in conclusion, it's over.

I hope.

UPDATE: My first rec'd diary! Thank you. I plan to write another diary in a few weeks to see how many of my predictions panned out. My predictions certainly present an optimistic picture, but, I also believe they are reasonable predictions and I think many of them will be indeed play out according to my expectations. Ultimately, my predictions are premised on the notion the gaffe will move key Clinton supporters and superdelegates to put even greater pressure on Clinton to stop her scorched earth campaign. They were willing to let Hillary play out the primaries as long as she behaved and played nice. Well, she's doing neither now.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:02 AM
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1. Good lord what a pile of crap
And Wtf is this drivel? "Criticizing Obama is one thing, but to actually admit to thinking about his possible assassination as a reason for staying in the race may just be too much."

Utter nonsense - I'm sure it's rated very highly at "Daily Kos."
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:31 AM
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8. She's even pissed off her home (NY) constituency
and that was before she got caught making her assassination wish out loud.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:47 AM
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15. I think it is dead on accurate.
What parts do you disagree with and what is your alternate take on it?
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:25 PM
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24. The writer states opinion as "fact"
"Criticizing Obama is one thing, but to actually admit to thinking about his possible assassination as a reason for staying in the race may just be too much."

Clinton admitted no such thing - the "diary" is loaded with examples of this tactic and therefore, disingenuous. In my view, building a premise on something supposed is extremely weak.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:03 PM
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29. So line it up for us.
What do you see happening in the next 9 days?
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:12 PM
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18. are you describing Hillary?
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:02 AM
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2. As much as I like this
Not going to happen the scorched earth will continue no matter what anyone tells her
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:26 PM
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25. I was thinking the same thing. I agree with most of the predictions, but not
the ones that suggest that Hillary will stop the race-baiting or bow out gracefully. Unfortunately, she'll continue both for some time.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:03 AM
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3. Brilliant analysis. Just wonderful. Thanks.
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MrModerate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:16 AM
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4. The analysis is cogent, and reminds me of similar analyses . . .
about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Much.Ado.About.Nothing.

I think the commentariat (both paid and unpaid) is going to extract as much as possible out of this one comment, beating a dead horse into a grease spot on the road.

Unfortunately for American democracy, the comment didn't have anything to do with the weighty issues analyzed above. Instead, it's a living example of the politics of personal destruction, a lesson taught to dems by the 'Licans, which we've apparently taken completely to heart. With the complete concurrence of the pimps and ghouls in the media, of course, who grow fat on this stuff.

I knew Clinton was toast when she made the gas tax holiday comment, but I didn't have the urge to go after her with a flensing knife or accuse her of fomenting assassination.

Show a little decency, people. This kind of vile hypertrophy is what got us Bush.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:30 AM
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7. She's still making the gas tax holiday argument in SD fyi.
And while I'm not sure the DKOS poster has it all right, I do think that there are a lot of angles covered in this post that will probably come true.

I think its a credible analysis of what will happen. Moreover, its an analysis of the media & campaign reaction, not an analysis of if it is fair or not.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:49 AM
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16. I wanted to go after her with a runcible spoon after the gas tax
holiday pander, m'self......
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:24 AM
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5. I hope you're right. I fear, however, that *nothing* will keep her from taking her train wreck to
the convention.

This is what I see happening; because on my part, any thinking that "yes, she's going to do the reasonable thing" has gone out the window...

she pitches a fit over the May 31st meeting, because any solution that doesn't involve chucking the DNC rules as seating all HER delegates AS IS (and counting at least some undecideds in michigan as hers, but none for Obama) will lead to an immediate media barrage by professional blabbing hypocrites like Terry McAuliffe about the "popular vote" and "count the votes".

The Primaries will end on June 3rd- any victory for Hillary, however small, will be taken as "a mandate from the voters to continue our struggle".

If the Superdelegates try to end it by coming out en masse for Obama, again, her talking heads will saturate the airwaves whining about how "unelected elites" are trying to take the nomination away from the "winner of the popular vote". :eyes:

Prediction? She knows she's not getting the nomination. Obama doesn't want her in the Veep slot, and undoubtedly has communicated that to her. So she's going to take this to the Convention, our party's chances in November be damned.

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think she has any intention of suddenly being overcome with reasonableness.

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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:53 AM
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10. I think she's working to get McCain elected now
If she can't get the nomination herself, she'll work to see Obama lose, so she can set herself up in 2012. The only reason she went into the Senate in the first place was to pad her resume for a Presidential run, she is not going to want to sit there for another 8 years to wait for her next chance, assuming she hasn't damaged herself too much to even keep her Senate seat in 2012.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:29 AM
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6. May 25 LA Times: Trouble brewing in N.Y. for Clinton
Leaders in New York's black community say the Clintons have damaged their standing there. They have offended many who felt they demeaned Barack Obama's candidacy. They also do not want Hillary running against Gov Patterson in 2010. Some are angry that she didn't state she would NOT run against Patterson.

Trouble brewing in N.Y. for Clinton


Black leaders say that if Hillary Rodham Clinton returns as senator, she'll need to heal racial wounds her campaign has inflicted.
By Peter Nicholas, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
May 25, 2008

Even as she continues her longshot presidential bid, Hillary Rodham Clinton faces a political rift in New York, where black leaders say her standing has dropped due to racially charged comments by her and her husband during the campaign.

African American elected officials and clerics based in New York City say Clinton will need to defuse resentment over the campaign's racial overtones if she returns to New York as U.S. senator.

State Sen. Bill Perkins, who represents Harlem, said constituents recently phoned him because they wanted to demonstrate outside Bill Clinton's Harlem office against comments by the former president.

...Assemblyman Karim Camara of Brooklyn contributed $500 to Hillary Clinton's Senate reelection campaign in 2006 and described Bill Clinton as a political hero. He said: "Once the campaign is over there has to be a lot of work to heal the wounds. She needs to go back to the black churches she visited in the course of her campaign and have a frank conversation about who she is and how much the support of the black community means. There would not have been a first Clinton presidency in 1992 if not for the African American community."

...much much more at the link


WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND, HILLARY



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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:38 PM
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21. hilary has no credibiltiy to heal...
Does anyone think hilary cares that Black leaders are offended in New York?
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:17 PM
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22. she may have to run for Queen of WVA or KY
possible new home states for her.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:21 PM
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23. Brilliant....where it doesn' t matter
to the ones who voted for her that you cry "sexism wolf" too many times.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:48 PM
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27. LOL ...so true.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:05 PM
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30. Yep -- I can see her running for Byrd's seat in a flash.
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curious one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 02:33 AM
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9. Good analysis. I agree with you that is over for HRC. So far
her actions proved to be illogical and emotional. She will continue her campaign to the bitter end. Although her political career has been damaged, her desire for presidency or VP have not been curbed. As for black votes, result of her next re-election for senate will tell. We have seen politicians career go down the tube by similar actions. This is no exception. I know it is hard for her supporters to see her presidency to end this way. But let put aside all the emotions and think logically. She has crippled her chances badly.

Continue your predictions, only future can tell.
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 03:02 AM
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11. Excellent read, and I hope you are spot on!
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 03:07 AM
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12. I believe her statement finished her off the only problem
is she will never see it that way and will drag this out and in the process destroy the Democratic party. :-(
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trashcanistanista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 03:52 AM
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13. I agree. She will not see it coming, there needs to be an
intervention. She has been defanged, though and her ability to hurt the party has been considerably diminished no matter what she does. Whether or not she takes her show to the convention certainly does not have the implication it did two days ago. Sadly, we can all breath a lot easier in that regard.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:46 AM
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14. Great find! This is well written and I believe, dead on accurate.
I hope the author is right in the last section. I don't want this to drag out, as entertained as Mrs. Clinton has kept me the last few months with her reprehensible nonsense.

It is over.

:woohoo:
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:50 AM
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17. Thanks for posting this ! K&R
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:12 PM
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19. Make that a steaming pile of crap.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:33 PM
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20. I think Roh's analysis
is the way it should go but since hilary has no decency like intelligent people she will stay down in the gutter she created for herself.

But, this is a stellar report on which to base what will really happen.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:28 PM
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26. Very good analysis. Unfortunately, Hillary won't choose the reasonable route.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:55 PM
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28. K & R ...much thanks to Hillary for giving herself the granite cookie.
RIP HILLARY ...ASSCARROT EXTRAORDINAIRE ...Here lies a disruptor. She disrupted poorly.

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