Hillary Picks Up Guam and Georgia Delegate and Obama Complains!!!

[indimuse]

Hillary Picks Up Guam and Georgia Delegate
By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:12:00 AM EST
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Barack Obama won the Guam caucuses by 7 votes. Pilar Lujan won the caucuses for chair of Guam's Democratic party. She had been uncommitted.

Friday, she announced she is supporting Hillary. That means Guam's delegates are split 4-4. There is one superdelegate left, Guam Senator Ben Pangelinan , who hasn't yet declared. http://www.kuam.com/news/28008.aspx

Obama's Guam campaign complained about Lujan's endorsement, saying she had promised to go with the popular vote and while 7 votes isn't much, she still should have honored it. Thay asked her to reconsider. http://www.kuam.com/news/28034.aspx

I thought Obama's camp thought the popular vote didn't matter. They didn't complain when John Kerry, Ted Kennedy and several others endorsed him despite the preferences of the majority of their states' voters for Hillary.

In endorsing Hillary, Lujan said:


After taking a close look at the candidates in this race, I was more impressed by Senator Clinton's ability to meet the challenges of the presidency: end the war, reinvigorate the economy, and provide universal healthcare."

She also stated of Clinton, "When she becomes the first woman president, she will think of the people of Guam and their aspirations."

Lujan also appreciated the personal touch Hillary extended to her in two phone calls. She says Hillary will do more for Guam as President.http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080524/NEWS01/805240307/1002

Hillary also got the vote of Georgia add-on delegate Verna Cleveland.
http://www.goupstate.com/article/20080525/APP/805250520
Obama picked up 4 delegates Saturday, two from Alaska and 1 from Wyoming and Georgia.




MOr Hypocricy From Obama and Co!

[indimuse]

1. anyone?

>?

[cali]

5. Who cares? I'm sure Obama doesn't. And neither he nor his

national campaign complained. Why should they? Hilly is irrelevant. She's done. Now it's just about how she gets out retaining even a shred of dignity.

[indimuse]

8. in your mind...keep telling yourself that!

there is a life outside of DU...and it looks like HIlllary is STILL IN IT TO WIN IT!

[Butch350]

16. 8. in your mind...keep telling yourself that!

Hillary is a legend in her own mind.

[cali]

31. yes, it's just in my mind.

and in the minds of every political analyst and pundit and all those betting on who'll be the nominee. She's not really prohibitively behind in delegates. He's not really only 50 delegates from the number needed to clinch it. She's not really deeply in debt. SDs aren't really leaving her and supporting Obama. There aren't really only 3 contests left. The RBC will give Hillypoo all the Florida delegates and Obama none. They'll give her all the MI delegates and Obama none. The RBC won't punish MI or FL in any form.

:rofl:

[Lerrad]

108. Oh come on!

There is no way Hillary is going to get all the delegates on for MI when Obama was not even on the ballot. How on Gods green earth is that fair?

What if the shoe was on the other foot?

[roguevalley]

103. so, she gets two people. yawn. indimuse, you worry me.

[shenmue]

2. Of course, Obama partisans can't admit Hillary has popular support.

That would be too much truth for them. :eyes:

[Political Heretic]

6. She has popular support!

Just not enough.

[indimuse]

22. More than BO!

See you at the convention!

[Drunken Irishman]

106. Your sig makes it look like Clinton is going to eat Michigan.

Fitting.

[Political Heretic]

119. Not for those of us in the reality based community. You know, concerned with "Facts"

over talking points.

[NOLALady]

38. Of course she has popular support.

Obama has more popular support.

[quaker bill]

42. Hillary has popular support

she would not have come in second without it.

[book_worm]

100. She has Appalachian support, I know that.

[OzarkDem]

102. Tide is turning

Legislators and news media are out of touch with voters, but apparently some are beginning to figure it out.

The inevitability of Obama's nomination being pushed so heavily in the news media isn't resonating with average voters, as measured by the polls.

Issues are central to this election, not campaign spin.

[neverforget]

109. It's inevitable because he has the numbers and MATH on his side

Hillary has spin and hope....

[Lerrad]

111. Yes issues are central in the election...

... and there is very little difference between Hillary and Obama as far as issues are concerned.

It is like you are saying Obama is all just spin and Hillary is about issues. They are both about the issues and I will support either candidate.

[Perry Logan]

3. If Obama's momentum continues, he'll start losing to the Greens.

"Buyers' Remorse: How Rank & File Democrats Rejected Obama Once He Was Declared The "Inevitable" Nominee"

In nearly every demographic category since February 19, Clinton’s percentage of the vote has risen, while Obama’s has fallen. This includes Obama’s supposed “strong” demographic categories such as voters with college degrees post-graduate degrees and voters whose income is above the national median. And Clinton beat Obama in the primaries in March, April and May in most of the major categories.

http://www.correntewire.com/buyers_remorse_how_rank_file_democrats_rejected_obama_once_he_was_declared_the_inevitable_nominee

[Douglas Carpenter]

53. Rasmussen Markets data gives Sen. Obama a 62.0% chance of winning the White House in November

Rasmussen Markets data gives Sen. Obama a 62.0% chance of winning the White House in November

"New polling from Minnesota was released today showing Obama retaining a double digit lead over McCain. Polling released Friday showed Obama with the advantage in both Pennsylvania and New Hampshire. In both states, McCain had the edge a month ago (see summary of recent state-by-state results).

The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are included, the Democrats enjoy a 260-240 Electoral College lead. Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 62.0% chance of winning the White House in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants). "

"Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up. "

link:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

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Average of National Polls:

Obama 46.9/McCain 44.0 = Obama + 2.9

Clinton 46.1/McCain 44.9 = Clinton + 1.2

The general election polls averages the latest polls from Gallup Tracking, Rasmussen Tracking, Quinnipiac,ABC News/Wash Post, Democracy Corp, LA Times/Bloomberg, IDBB/TIPP, Battleground

links:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_clinton-224.html

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Gallup: Key Clinton voters are shifting to Obama



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Rasmussen Markets data gives Sen. Obama a 62.0% chance of winning the White House in November:


"New polling from Minnesota was released today showing Obama retaining a double digit lead over McCain. Polling released Friday showed Obama with the advantage in both Pennsylvania and New Hampshire. In both states, McCain had the edge a month ago (see summary of recent state-by-state results).

The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are included, the Democrats enjoy a 260-240 Electoral College lead. Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 62.0% chance of winning the White House in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants). "

"Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up.

link:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

[Tellurian]

4. What Obama not offering enough favors and money to Super-delegates?

fire the SD team. They're not doing their jobs...slackers!

[indimuse]

9. I heard...There may be an investigation into WHY some of these SD are switching and supporting

Obama.

[Yotun]

14. Your level of paranoia has reached gigantic proportions. Do you believe in alien abductions as well?

[indimuse]

21. I report what I read.

paranoia....? Do YOU read?

[Tellurian]

46. Would the investigation be for charges that begins with a B?

I Love Dirty Harry..."Make My Day!"

[indimuse]

70. BR

_______?

[Tellurian]

86. IBERY

it's a fine line..when did a line ever stop Obama?

[ima_sinnic]

78. you mean like Saban's attempted bribe of YDA? are you being "coy" for a reason?

or because you're just parroting the latest bullshit talking point from whoever? I don't think you want to go into the "bribes" thing, because, though Hillary's DCL "supporters" are loaded enough to try to bribe SD's, they're strangely not donating to her campaign. Go figure.

Oh, and you display the thinly disguised pepto-bismol-colored aryan nations logo as though it were something to be proud of. How are the Cialis sales going from that spybot-laden site?

I know you have me on Ignore, so I will feel free to insult you, as you are an insult to everybody here with your fake "Democratic" bullshit. The idea that Obama is a "snob" shows how out of touch with reality you really are.

[ima_sinnic]

18. you "heard"??? gee, that's real impressive -- and I "heard" that hillary

was having an affair with a lesbian who axe-murdered her own family, sent bomb threats to embassies, ate raw kittens, and ran a puppy mill in her basement for 25 years.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

67. Bullshit!

I heard the kittens were cooked.

:grr:

[ima_sinnic]

12. um, it's Clinton's "big money" supporters who are trying to bribe SD's

--that's how desperate that POS is. She's such a fraud, so incompetent, such an undesirable candidate, that she can't get delegates except by having her surrogates bribe and threaten them. How "presidential" -- and how bushian.

Superdelegates Turned Down $1 Million Offer From Clinton Donor

May 19, 2008 02:50 PM

One of Sen. Hillary Clinton's top financial supporters offered $1 million to the Young Democrats of America during a phone conversation in which he also pressed for the organization's two uncommitted superdelegates to endorse the New York Democrat, a high-ranking official with YDA told The Huffington Post.

Haim Saban, the billionaire entertainment magnate and longtime Clinton supporter, denied the allegation. But four independent sources said that just before the North Carolina and Indiana primaries, Saban called YDA President David Hardt and offered what was perceived as a lucrative proposal: $1 million would be made available for the group if Hardt and the organization's other uncommitted superdelegate backed Clinton. . . .

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/19/superdelegates-turned-dow_n_102450.html

[Maraya1969]

27. Isn't that against the rules? Or illegal? How many others has she paid for?

[indimuse]

45. !

snip>>
When asked whether the nomination fight would go all the way to the convention, Clinton replied, “It depends on what happens between now and then. It’s been really funny that when when all she asked was to let all the votes be counted, the response from the other side was to pressure as many superdelegates as possible, in districts mostly that she carried, to come out against her.”

[Lerrad]

7. I don't see where the article says anything about Obama complaining...

The "Guam Campaign Director" for Obama complained NOT Obama.
There is a big difference. Obama can not control comments made by every single campaign worker, just like he can not control comments by people like Rev Wright etc...

But good for Hillary, and I congratulate her on her victory.

Snip>
>Guam campaign director for Obama for America Josh Tenorio is none too pleased with a recent announcement made by Democratic Party of Guam chair and superdelegate Pilar Lujan.<

[Alexander]

10. Shh. Let the Shillbots lie in desperation. It's all they've got.

[emilyg]

112. Come up with a new line - boring.

[Alexander]

120. Come up with better talking points first.

The ones you use now wouldn't fool a toddler.

[indimuse]

15. there is a link!

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Guam Obama camp disappointed at Pilar Lujan's endorsement

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Guam campaign director for Obama for America Josh Tenorio is none too pleased with a recent announcement made by Democratic Party of Guam chair and superdelegate Pilar Lujan. As reported she has recently endorsed Hillary Clinton as her choice for the Democratic presidential nominee. Said Tenorio, "At the time of her candidacy she did say her vote would reflect the majority of the Democrats that participated in the caucus, and although Obama only won by 7 votes, we do have a majority and so we are very disappointed and hope that she will reconsider."

[Lerrad]

107. Humm... Your link o the video did not post.

Again, what you posted says that the GUAM Obama camp is disappointed.
Where is the link about Obama complaining?
I don't see it.

>>Guam Obama camp disappointed at Pilar Lujan's endorsement

[Yotun]

11. Sigh.... the popular vote matter in individual states, its what apportions delegates. It DOESN'T

when you try to use it as a metric nationwide, because it is a meaningless metric when adding pop. vote from caucuses and primaries.

[indimuse]

19. map not math

http://bp3.blogger.com/_y7akKaUErMI/SDRP25MyQ7I/AAAAAAAAAWc/M3Vzkyk-esw/S259/MAP+not+MATH.jpg

[hokies4ever]

51. How much money did you flush down the drain donating to Hillary?

:rofl:

[BklnDem75]

13. Misleading headline. No complaints from Obama

And at this point in the race, these pickups all amount to a huge :shrug:

But honesty never really meant much to SHilbots.

[indimuse]

17. U2? omg...

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Guam campaign director for Obama for America Josh Tenorio is none too pleased with a recent announcement made by Democratic Party of Guam chair and superdelegate Pilar Lujan. As reported she has recently endorsed Hillary Clinton as her choice for the Democratic presidential nominee. Said Tenorio, "At the time of her candidacy she did say her vote would reflect the majority of the Democrats that participated in the caucus, and although Obama only won by 7 votes, we do have a majority and so we are very disappointed and hope that she will reconsider."

[Bodhi BloodWave]

23. so just what is the problem there

I see no complaints, i see somebody simply pointing out that a promise/claim was made and the person who said it went back on their word

[indimuse]

25. this!

I thought Obama's camp thought the popular vote didn't matter. They didn't complain when John Kerry, Ted Kennedy and several others endorsed him despite the preferences of the majority of their states' voters for Hillary.


Richardson...you get it? I want them BACK!!!
HOw about that! Hillary WON...WON...WON! Those states! Get it?

[Alexander]

28. If you want Richardson back, we'll take Murray, Cantwell and O'Malley.

Either way, Hillary loses.

It's over. You failed. Good night.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

30. then the question is

did they promise they would back the winner of the state, as Tenorio stated "At the time of her candidacy she did say her vote would reflect the majority of the Democrats that participated in the caucus"

That was her own views/words, the Obama campaign won the caucus admittedly with only 7 votes, she tossed her vote to Hillary which is contrary what she had earlier stated. I don't see the popular vote having any real influence here, its simply a case of one person pointing out what another person claimed she would do

[BklnDem75]

33. Again misleading...

I'm still waiting for you to post Obama's statement on the matter. Obama is not his party and last I checked, expressing disappointment is not a complaint either. More dishonesty.

[ruby slippers]

20. she'll probably just give them all guns......

[catgirl]

24. Your title is a lie

and this post/thread is nothing short of pathetic.

[indimuse]

26. HOw so meow...

I thought Obama's camp thought the popular vote didn't matter. They didn't complain when John Kerry, Ted Kennedy and several others endorsed him despite the preferences of the majority of their states' voters for Hillary.

BO and YOU don't believe in the POP vote...Oh, only when it benefits BO!

[catgirl]

116. pathetic

[susankh4]

29. Whine and complain.

Yeah... that'll work. Especially against Mr. McCain...

[indimuse]

34. yep!

Barack O'Whiner: I don't need to debate ANYONE! Right FANS? O!B!A!M!A!

[Blondbostonian]

40. Inaccuracies

1-Obama leads on the electoral college map over McCain now.

2-The head of the Guam Obama campaign made those statements and I'm sure he had a vested interest in the process. He's had discussions with that SD and knows her personally. He reacted to her not keeping her word. It also has nothing to do with Barack Obama.

3-This primary is almost over and will be done after June 3rd. Will you be supporting the Democratic nominee come November?

[indimuse]

49. Inaccuracies???

In every Caucus BO (supposedly )won...their were HUGE Inaccuracies!! The audacity.

[Madam Mossfern]

97. ...and they say that Obama supporters

are nasty and sarcastic?


sheesh!

[Why Syzygy]

32. Half the truth, per usual. "Obama's Guam campaign complained". These are people. Not Obama.

Misleading doesn't really work. Ask HRC.

[Perry Logan]

35. They were Obama "surrogates," then (to use a favorite Obamite word).

[cloudythescribbler]

43. OK, then say "Obama SURROGATE complains" -- that's not TOO hard, is it? ...

After all, when Bill Clinton tries to compare Hillary favorably to Nelson Mandela, I don't see any "Obamatons" (of which I suppose I would count as one) claiming "HILLARY VAUNTS SELF RELATIVE TO MANDELA". Saying "surrogate" is DIFFERENT, VERY different, from saying "Obama". Similarly, when Andrew "el Putz" Cuomo made his totally innocent( :eyes: ) "shuck and jive" remark, did any "Obamatons" say that HILLARY said it? NO.

And by the way, it is the JOB of campaign managers to fight over and for every delegate. That delegate wouldn't mean CRAP to Obama, but it means a LOT to that campaign manager on Guam. It is like the difference between getting an "A" and a "B", or between an "Excellent" rating and a "HMNieh" evaluation in one's job. This isn't rocket science....

Now, as for popular vote totals: (1) Ted Kennedy and John Kerry (didn't their endorsements PRECEDE the Massachusetts primary? details) NEVER promised or even suggested that they would, unilaterally, support whoever got the most votes in MA. (2) If someone advocates socialism, do you take away all their wealth selectively (without necessarily providing the various benefits of real socialism) while leaving all the capitalists with their money? When you look to a change in the way a game is played, that's a change for EVERYBODY, not merely selectively enforced against you. (3) Obviously, the popular vote total, even by a small margin, as in NM, is supposed to be honored, within the rules of the game. Admittedly, it is true that counts of the votes in the caucuses AND the primaries (though not, eg, counting the votes for Hillary where the primary was nixed by the national party, Obama dutifully withdrew his name but Hillary didn't, and now you want ONLY her votes to count, eg -- see #2) show Obama with the most overall votes (and obviously you don't skip caucus states like WA, IA, and ME just because final individual vote tallies, which the caucus system did not require, weren't released -- I mean you don't if you're being honest). However, the notion of equating a vote in a caucus and votes in primaries to total them up (hence much more heavily weighting primaries), then skipping the votes from certain caucuses for the reasons stated above, then adding one-sidedly the votes from other pre-nullified contests is, well, pretty obvious bullshit. Why defend EVERY twist and turn, no matter how dishonest or inexcusable, in the HRC campaign.

IF indeed polls were showing, with ANY kind of consistency, that Hillary ran more strongly against McCain than Obama, that would indeed be an argument, including an argument to make to voters going to the polls. However, the polls are -- SURPRISE!!!! -- cherry picked. RealClearPolitics, which being basically Republican RW isn't especially biased towards Obama (now let's hear those claims to the contrary), collects all the polls into a national rolling average. Each day they re-calculate the average based upon the latest stats from ALL reputed polls that they can get their hands on. Obama, although only by a few percent, has been running fairly consistently, and virtually always in recent weeks, more strongly against McCain than Hillary in national match-ups.

As for the claim that this or that state is one Hillary would carry, or win with a wider margin, or lose with a significantly smaller margin, than Obama, there are, of course, OTHER states, (eg Virginia, Colorado, and some others) where Obama polls more strongly. The question of "map" not "math" depends on just WHOSE maps you are looking at (see discussion of whose votes to count, above, etc). These ways of trying to put forward any kind of claim, no matter how specious, is, in my arrogant opinion, though VERY widespread in our culture and surely not absent from fellow Obama supporters (many of whom I called out recently for gloating over or being snarky about Hillary's latest RFK gaffe), seems to be characteristic of HRC's campaign, and her mass supporters, to a QUALITATIVELY higher degree than among Obama's -- yet another factor that points in the direction of Obama being the stronger CANDIDATE, as well as prospective president.

Incidentally, I am one of those Obama supporters who feels strongly that Hillary as VP (which is clearly the point of her staying in the race, and anything else she might muscle, even WITHOUT REALLY having the most votes, delegates, or what-have-you) would be a DRAG on the Obama ticket. I DO STRONGLY think Obama should pick a woman (in part for realpolitik as well as principled reasons -- to more effectively unite the party, and energize many otherwise disappointed women), but it should NOT be Hillary, and in my arrogant opinion, it should be someone who NEVER supported the Iraq War Resolution (IWR). I like Barbara Boxer, but she isn't mentioned much, as discussions all seem to point as far to the right as possible in terms of VP pick. There's also Sebelius, Napolitano, McCaskill, and (though not often mentioned) Stabenow.
That's really the question of the day -- WHO SHOULD and WHO WILL Obama select as VP? Will Hillary muscle her way into the #2 spot, even while emitting grotesque gaffes like the RFK thing?

[still_one]

41. The article didn't even say they complained, it said they were disappointed. It seems the OP would

would like to mislead

"Guam Obama camp disappointed at Pilar Lujan's endorsement "

"Guam campaign director for Obama for America Josh Tenorio is none too pleased with a recent announcement made by Democratic Party of Guam chair and superdelegate Pilar Lujan. As reported she has recently endorsed Hillary Clinton as her choice for the Democratic presidential nominee. Said Tenorio, "At the time of her candidacy she did say her vote would reflect the majority of the Democrats that participated in the caucus, and although Obama only won by 7 votes, we do have a majority and so we are very disappointed and hope that she will reconsider."

[unblock]

36. "she had promised to go with the popular vote". did kerry and teddy promise the same thing?

and you expect everyone in the obama camp to NOT ask her to reconsider or remind her of her earlier promise?

i'm sure the clinton campaign never once spoke to people like kerry, teddy, or any of the others, trying to pursuade them to reverse their decisions?

it's how the game is played. hillary can enjoy her one victory and obama can work to undo it, while they also look to all the others and fight to win more sd's.

[Catherina]

37. Pathetic but no surprise. Hillary for President of Guam then! n/t

[still_one]

39. Where does the article say they complained? it said they were disappointed, but NOT complained

and just who did they complain to?

NOTHING IN THE ARTICLE THAT SAYS THEY COMPLAINED. It says "Guam Obama camp disappointed at Pilar Lujan's endorsement"

Did you think putting the word "complained" sounded better than "disappointed"?

"Guam campaign director for Obama for America Josh Tenorio is none too pleased with a recent announcement made by Democratic Party of Guam chair and superdelegate Pilar Lujan. As reported she has recently endorsed Hillary Clinton as her choice for the Democratic presidential nominee. Said Tenorio, "At the time of her candidacy she did say her vote would reflect the majority of the Democrats that participated in the caucus, and although Obama only won by 7 votes, we do have a majority and so we are very disappointed and hope that she will reconsider."

On the national level, currently Barack Obama is leading Clinton by a count of 1,968.5 delegates to 1,783.5, according to MSNBC.com."

[Tellurian]

44. Another Obama gimmick... a $3 Trillion dollar virtual shopping spree..

an Obama e-mail sent to me by a friend:

"Finally, our http://3trillion.org/">$3 trillion virtual shopping spree has caught fire! It has drawn 1.4 million shoppers and received praise from all over the Internet. This fun online game where you try to spend $3 trillion (what the Bush administration has spent on the war) has also attracted celebrity shoppers like John Cusack, Laurie David, Gloria Steinem, Phil Donahue, and even (your name here)."

"But while 1.4 million is a tremendous number, our ultimate goal is to get 3 trillion shoppers! John Cusack, star of the film War, Inc. which opens tonight in LA and NY, is assisting us in that endeavor with this contest:"

"Whoever can get the most people to fill out a shopping cart by emailing their cart or sending a gift certificate, will receive a real gift certificate for free movie tickets to War, Inc. (Contest ends Memorial Day at midnight ET)"



Of course, you realize this newest "gimmick" is a strategy for more e-mail addresses to enlarge Obama's donor list and get the Vote out for Obama and selling the list for more money when this is over, which will HELP YOU OUT getting MORE SPAM. He'll probably offer a drawing of a trip for a family of 4 to Disneyland on election day! Obama has become the WORLD's BIGGEST LOBBYIST... As for Obama, Lobbing his opponents and Lobbying prospective voters are his greatest strengths.. Can he give the names of past presidents in the order they were elected? I doubt it. Can he tell you the capital of each and every state? I doubt that too. Can he draw a map of the US naming all the states? That would be a BIG surprise.

Besides being the least informed Presidential Candidate in this race on US History, Domestic and Foreign policy. How troubling is it to have been second only to Bush as the least informed president elected or not... than Dan Quayle ?

[indimuse]

47. Obama is selling Private info!

His lil' DNC negotiation has alot to do with DATA! Ask John Edwards!

[Blondbostonian]

48. Go back to your pathetic website where you can share racial insults and death threats against Obama.

All 310 pathetic people living over there.

[Name removed]

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[Submariner]

68. Question to Clinton supporters

I would like Clintonites to explain their projected vote for McCain/Hagee, and then name the women they would first send to jail for abortions.

[Tellurian]

60. Prove your claims..or put up and shut up!

[hokies4ever]

63. How much money did you flush down the drain donating to Hillary?

:rofl:

[Tellurian]

66. How many times have you seen Obama in person?

[hokies4ever]

69. How much money did you flush down the drain donating to Hillary?

:rofl:

[Tellurian]

74. hahah! gottcha! the answer is none!.

yeah, you fit right in with the pretender..

:rofl:

[hokies4ever]

76. Great job supporting your candidate!

What's the matter? No faith in her candidacy? No faith in her ability to manage money? :rofl:

*checkmate*

[Tellurian]

83. Hmmm.. you're not really interested in discussing issues...

and from your response, you're a mediocre chess player..

[hokies4ever]

88. I may not be the best chess player

but I can manage money and my house better than Hillary can. If she can't run her own house and her own campaign, how does she expect to run the White House? :rofl:

[Tellurian]

90. Are you channeling Michelle Obama?

Could you post a pdf of your Tax Returns and a quick "Net Worth" snapshot.

Just for a comparison to Hillary's, seeing you claim yours is superior.

[hokies4ever]

91. I'm not $20 million in debt

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Tellurian]

96. When put to the task of "PROOF"...you slink away because you mispoke..

bub-bye..

:rofl:

[hokies4ever]

99. Does Hillary love debt as much as you do?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[anigbrowl]

118. And your evidence that this has anything to do with the Obama campaign?

Brave New Films is an independent progressive film production company.

[hokies4ever]

50. 1 down, 2 to go

Come on indimuse. Is this the best you've got in terms of trying to smear Obama? You have two more threads you can make today in GD:P. I expect a better hitjob in those than you have here. :rofl:

[indimuse]

55. dictionary, NOT your friend!

smear?

[hokies4ever]

59. "smear"

It's a word, look it up. GED classes ARE your friend. :rofl:

[Tellurian]

64. Can you provide a list of all the campaign sites Obama hasn't had staged?

[Hawkeye-X]

113. How many campaign sites can Hillary afford now to pay for?

*rimshot*

[Honeycombe8]

52. I don't see a complaint by Obama. Asking someone to reconsider is appropriate. Not a complaint.

I don't recall Obama ever saying the popular vote didn't matter, either. Do you just make this stuff up? Is this the caliber of ethics of the Clinton camp and supporters? To just make stuff up?

As for the endorsements of Kerry & Kennedy....they endorsed BEFORE the primary of MA. Clinton could have asked them to reconsider their endorsement, after the MA primary. Maybe she did. Don't know. But asking for reconsideration is not complaining.

Saying, "The media is picking on me because it's sexist" is complaining.

See the difference? Sure you do. Whiners don't elected President.

[tekisui]

56. Wow!!! Hillary got 2 Delegates. That is going to be enough to

do shit. Obama picked up four, including one switching from HIllary.

Sorry, your girl lost the big one, even if she gets one or two delegates here and there.

Have fun in Hill-La-La-Land.

[totodeinhere]

57. Obama picks up four delegates yesterday and Clinton picks up two, yet...

your thread topic is "Hillary Picks Up Guam and Georgia Delegate." The fact that Obama picked up four for a net gain of two is buried in the body of your post. Talk about bias.

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[Tellurian]

65. Does that mean Obama will be selling tickets to the Survivor Convention?

he's sure is a hustler... loves him them e-mail lists..

[hokies4ever]

71. Does Hillary hate Obama as much as you do?

:rofl: What will you do when Hillary endorses Obama later this summer? It will happen you know. Perhaps as early as June too.

[Tellurian]

75. Will you go quietly or stick around when Hillary is the nominee?

[hokies4ever]

77. I doubt that she will get the nomination in 2016

so I don't have to worry about that. Do you seriously think that Hillary will get the nomination? By the way, electionbetting.com has the odds of Hillary winning the nomination over Obama at 140 to 1. You could make some serious dough if you actually believe the nonsense that she will become the nominee. Why not put your money where your mouth is? :rofl:

[Tellurian]

79. Why are you so concerned about my money..

all your posts devolve into $$$. BORING>>>>>

[ima_sinnic]

81. you must need money, since you're selling Cialis through your white supremacist spybot website

[Tellurian]

85. Ah, one of the "400" bloggers hired to propagandize Obama..

I hope he's paying you at least minimum wage. How big is your cubicle?

[hokies4ever]

89. Funny you bring up rabid bloggers

since posts have been made here on DU analyzing the statistics of the people posting on hillaryis44.org . Turns out that it's just a few hundred people making thousands of posts. Talk about a fake grassroots movement! :rofl:

[ima_sinnic]

94. minimum wage? no, Hillary is the one who can't even pay that -- I'm making 160K/year

responding to the ignorami, low-information Hillary voters. yes, "well-paid bloggers," lots of ads, AND a big surplus in the ole campaign chest. Meanwhile, Hillary is bankrupt! that's some real "dedication," eh? those Hillary voters--I guess they're just not quite putting their money where their mouth is. It appears that they really do not have much confidence in her. :rofl: :rofl:

[Tellurian]

98. the usual claims from the basement bloggers..

the Tell is the over use of: :rofl: emoticons!

[ima_sinnic]

80. how is she going to pull that off? what a fucking joke!

fewer pledged delegates, bleeding superdelegates like a severed artery, fewer states won, many fewer large-margin wins, fewer popular votes, no new voters -- in addition to behaving like Katherine Harris, making a total joke of herself, whining like a little spoiled brat about "feminism" (waaah, waah-- the rambo-wannabe blubbering about "feminism," lying repeatedly, invoking assassination numerous times --that's real "presidential." She was toast about two weeks ago.

stick DLC and Operation KKKaos up next to where your head is.

[indimuse]

73. well first... your "he" is a

SHE!:rofl:







And my "Convention" remark was said...because I don't suffer FOOLS too long,http://bp2.blogger.com/_HuV_NHMdPd0/SDdaVhujvFI/AAAAAAAAAz8/nHcOiH_DnFY/s320/obama+will+save+us+all.jpg and really am not interested in engaging in false arguments!

Has NOTHING to do with Violence...sorry to disappoint!

[ima_sinnic]

84. you wish

that could be anybody's picture

[Hawkeye-X]

114. So one musician is for Clinton?

Let me guess - Elton John? He's not even qualified to vote in the U.S.

[gaiilonfong]

58. Jeralyn is a HACK

and a HAG

[Mooney]

61. Oh my god this changes everything!

Go suck a dick Obama! Thanks to this story and the perceptive comments of the OP, I am now a Hillary Clinton supporter.

[my3boyz]

72. Who cares? They can go down with USS Clinton Campaign. nt

[Tatiana]

82. Is this the best you have?

Rodeodance could do better with one sentence.

[Hawkeye-X]

115. Where's she these days?

is she still REC'ing somewhere?

[AtomicKitten]

87. Hillary lost this nomination months ago but it's fascinating seeing a fish out of water asphyxiate

slowly, embarrassingly

[Warren Stupidity]

92. Yeah! Color Fonts!

[PVnRT]

93. Yeah, not honoring one's word is a hallmark of the Clinton campaign

[mkultra]

95. they chided him for breaking a promise

something you, as a Hillary supporter, probably have trouble understanding. But she can have guam. She wins some, just not enough.

See you at the convention. We will expect your support.

[OzarkDem]

101. Health care reform is Obama's Achilles heel

and Clinton's strength. Legislators hoping to pick up a few bucks for their re-election campaigns by signing up with Obama while ignoring health care reform will pay a heavy price with voters in their districts.

I can't count the number of people I've talked to in the last month who were never politically active before, but are now calling their legislators about the cost of health care. Woe to any elected official who ignores it.

[krispos42]

104. Did Kerry or Kennedy pledge before to go with their state's vote?

Or did they pledge to remain independent?


Your point is not valid unless Kerry and Kennedy had pledged to go with the majority, then reneged on that promise.




On a related manner, how can Florida or Michgan delegates be seated when the elections were neither fair nor representative?

[quakerboy]

105. Nice try

Obama Didn't say anything. His Guam Campaign director gave the following statement.

"At the time of her candidacy she did say her vote would reflect the majority of the Democrats that participated in the caucus, and although Obama only won by 7 votes, we do have a majority and so we are very disappointed and hope that she will reconsider."

In otherwords, their hope for her vote rested on the statements of the particular super delegate. Not some arbitrary call for her to honor the guam popular vote, but rather out of the expectation that she would follow her own words with her actions.


What this actually says to me is that Hillary was more favored to win Guam than I had realised, and that Obama's upset there is a bigger deal than I had realized. I don't believe for a second that she only was able to "take a close look at the candidates" after the vote had been made. This woman obviously planned to endorse Hillary, and gave rationale that she thought would latter support that endorsement. And somehow Obama overcame that expectation and won anyway.

[madfloridian]

110. Jeralynn and Armando...ever vigilant against Obama.

Talk Left is her haven in turbulent times.

[Danger Mouse]

117. indi! how was your memorial day?