Why Hillary should quit this weekend:

[ChairmanAgnostic]

"I made clear that I was - and that I thought the urgency to end the 2008 primary process was unprecedented. I pointed out, as I have before, that both my husband's primary campaign, and Sen. Robert Kennedy's, had continued into June."

Here was her non-apology, apology this morning at the New York Daily News. Make of it what you want. You may not want to believe that she deliberately & knowingly mentioned a past assassination as the rationale for staying in the race while lagging far behind. You may take her at face value. You may even ignore Terry McAwful's comment last week, where he admitted that the Hillary campaign was waiting (and hoping) for something catastrophic to happen to the Obama campaign soon, because that would bolster her chances.

Ignore it, read into it what you want. Believe her if you wish, all "historical facts" to the contrary.

That is not the issue we need to deal with today.

Today is Memorial Day Sunday. We approach 4100 dead, 60,000 seriously wounded, and THOUSANDS OF SUICIDES EACH YEAR by the troops who have served in Iraq.
CBS just reported that they counted 17 per day for 2005. That is 17 DEATHS per day, by soldiers taking their own lives. Not attempts, but suicides.

Last week, the VA top psychologist in Texas ordered her staff to stop diagnosing and treating PTSD because it was too expensive. Instead, she told them to use "adjustment disorder" as a diagnosis, thereby avoiding the costs and treatments due our vets for PTSD.

We have spent 600 billion on Iraq's occupation and continuing civil war. We have broken our army. We have broken our troops serving there. We have killed and bombed and strafed, and finally driven from their homes, and worse, injured countless hundreds of thousands of iraqis.

Hillary voted for this occupation. She voted to invade Iran. In her inane, singleminded race for power, she took expedient positions, solely for political gain. She authorized this war as much as George Bush. Did she every question it? the intel? the arguments? the costs? Did she ever dig deeply, as one of the 100 most powerful people in the country swore to do?

This memorial day, just consider where our country is globally, and which candidates for president helped us get to that horrible position. Thank you Senator Clinton, for NOT DOING YOUR JOB AS SENATOR. Now, explain to us how you still feel most qualified to be president.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

1. Anyone seeing sunday talk shows?

is anyone even talking about the occupation of Iraq? and the cost in human suffering?

[Ichingcarpenter]

3. No, but they never talk about it anyway even on Memorial Day

She's not gonna drop out this weekend it will take an intervention
even after June 3rd. Carter said today that he expects to see one.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

9. good for jimmy.

and it would be good for the party.

which means she won't do it.

[havocmom]

6. Four years ago, a young neighbor was killed in Iraq

There was no reason for it. No reason for the invasion. Hillary knew that and voted to give the drunken president the keys to our family car. She did it so she would look tough and capable to make the tough choices.

She chose posturing and positioning for a presidential run over logic, truth, and good leadership. She chose to use the troops as a stepping stool for higher office.

I liked that kid from up the street. I am very fond of his parents. Their loss is partly Hillary's fault. The people of Iraq had nothing to do with it. Hell, Saddam had nothing to do with it. He had already been reduced to a toothless captive within a narrow part of Iraq before any invasion took place. But Hillary needed to pad her resume for a presidential run.

In May, I think more about the kid up the street. He told his mom (perhaps in their last phone call chat) that it was terrible over there; that when he came home, he would never leave Montana again.

He was correct. And I hold Hillary's ambition and ego partly responsible for his name on that monument.

She is not fit to be CIC.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

10. does anyone else love Gwen Ifill? Bright, well spoken, well read, great appearance

on Meat the Press.

[havocmom]

2. One who puts self and self interests first is not fit to be CIC

Our military personnel deserve leadership, not ego that uses them merely as pawns in a game, as means to an end.

[rucky]

4. If I were to give her one reason...

it's because she's about to get humiliated by the superdelegates.

Take Kenny Roger's advice: Know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em.

[Saturday]

5. Obama is funding this war. Remember that too. nt

[havocmom]

7. He did not take part in the decision to send the troops to be held hostage there by profiteers

Should he just send a card wishing them good luck and adding that he was not sending ammo, food, water or any transportation home?

Remember THAT

[beezlebum]

8. i came on here willing to cut hillary some slack this morning.

i came here today after reading what obama said with regards to the RFK bit, thinking i could be that gracious, that instead of running away with her words, as he chose not to do to her, as she would certainly have done to him, that i could drop it, let it go, move on, he's won anyway.

so i came here reassessing my views regarding hillary clinton,

hoping that i could convince myself that i would vote for a ticket with her on it, as i was told by a poster here last night that the fact that i would not vote for an obama/clinton ticket and would instead write in other (D), means that i "prefer mccain," ( :grr: ) which made me mad, but i considered it for a while. i certainly do NOT "prefer mccain," it's just that i "prefer" to see the clinton's go into hiding somewhere rather than moving back into the white house, and i prefer obama stick to his "change" mantra...alas, i suppose i would, heavy-heartedly, concede that vote.

thinking that if she somehow came across a nomination, i could convince myself to vote for her- i know i know, she'd somehow, someway be better than mccain, blah blah blah, but it would be with no enthusiasm, no hope for the future;

thinking that i could stop saying and even thinking that she is more of a republican than democrat, if not republican enabler.

but then, i read this post, and havocmom's post, and H2Oman's latest post on the Kennedys,

and i remembered that when she breached her loyalty to the democratic party in praising mccain over obama, she lost my democratic loyalty to her.

that when she breached my trust on IWR and kyl/lieberman and rattled obliteration, she lost the right to claim my vote/support simply because she claims to be a democrat.

and with the RFK repetition, she has lost every ounce of respect i EVER had for her.

i don't think i owe her anything. should obama somehow lose this nomination to hillary clinton, the election will be lost in my eyes anyhow. to me, a clinton win, even in the GE, is a win for the republicans she enables and resembles. yes, i would vote for her, but it would with the feeling that i were voting for more of the same, and it would be without any other support.

maybe i'm just still mad, maybe that's inflammatory, maybe it's an overreaction, but posts like this, neighbors like mine who have served two tours of duty in iraq, classmates whose brothers killed themselves after suffering with PTSD, posts like havocmom's upthread, make it seem pretty well justified. :(

[roguevalley]

11. when you stoop to blaming the press for your own stupidity, you are over.