This is a question that I hope all supporters

[Madam Mossfern]

of the "count every vote in Florida and Michigan" campaign will ask themselves, and answer honestly. If any other candidate had "won" those primaries, would you be advocating the same?

I mean it. This is too important for each one of us not to search our soul. I have certainly tried to put my proverbial foot in the other person's shoe. If Hillary had removed her name from the Michigan ballot, would you support and Obama win there?

When I saw the ad on page 17 of the New York Times this morning, I was quite taken aback. Why in the world should I base my support on a presidential candidate because of gender? How would you feel if there were a full page ad stating that African Americans need to support Obama? This is divisive politics at its worst and can only harm our party.

Again, please ask yourself, is damaging the party really what you want? Is bullying the committee really going to lead to a win in November by the Democratic party? Please take an honest and objective look into your motives and let us know in an objective way how you think that this will help keep a Republican out of the White House.

As an Obama supporter I hold the welfare of the Democrtic party above any preference I have for a candidate...I would vote for Hillary if she were to win the nomination. When Hillary supporters say they will take their marbles and go home if she is not the candidate, I really question their ultimate motives.

[Ravy]

1. As a Florida voter, I am biased perhaps.

But yeah, I think I want my vote to count.

[MercutioATC]

3. I'm not trying to dump on you, but I have a question.

Do you, or other Floridians you know, feel that at least some of this is your responsibility for electing the Democratic legislators who caused this boondoggle?

Again, it's not an attack...I'm just interested in hearing the view of somebody from FL or MI.

[boobooday]

6. I can't speak historically, because I just got here and didn't elect the legislators

But everyone knew BEFORE they voted that the primary results weren't going to count. We heard that from everyone, including Hillary. There were no cries of outrage in defense of our voting rights then, it seemed just fine with candidates, delegates and voters to have a "beauty contest".

So even though I hate the idea that people's votes might not count, I also find the "voting rights" argument extremely opportunistic and disingenuous. Anybody who cared about Floridians' voting rights should have said something a long time ago, like before the primary.

[Upfront]

13. Being From Michigan

Our leadership caused this mess, and one of them is not going to get my vote because of it. I back Dean all the way on this. I have lost all respect for Hillery do to her actions. I would have been happy to see a woman President but not this one, not now.

[DemVet]

17. Silly question.

[DogPoundPup]

18. Early primary was compelled by the Fl. republican House Speaker Marco Rubio

The earlier date was a priority of House Speaker Marco Rubio, one of the most powerful people in state government.
http://www.miamiherald.com/418/story/448692.html

And yet you are correct the dems voted to go along.

[Honeycombe8]

5. That wasn't the question. You are merely repeating Clinton's mantra.

The question is....count FL and MI "as is."

Your vote can be counted in different ways, n'est pas?

[Ravy]

19. What part of an Edwards icon did you not understand?

I didn't vote for her. My vote was for Edwards. So, I want it to count even though he didn't win.

Geeze.

[Madam Mossfern]

8. Did you protest

when you found out that the state was going to be penalized because of the early primary? I don't know who you voted for, but if you voted for Obama, would you feel the same way? You said you were biased, I'm asking you to try to see the issue from an unbiased viewpoint. Hell, if I supported Hillary, I would want the votes to "count", but I don't think I would go so far as to rip the party apart to insure that....especially when it looks like that even if the votes were counted, Hillary still would not win.

[Ravy]

20. I think the votes should count, and I voted for Edwards,

and don't particularly like Clinton or Obama.

The way I see it, the Obama camp is being just like the typical over zealous religious nuts out there. They claim it will "rip the party apart" if Florida and Michigan count their votes. What the hell does it have to do with you?

I don't think caucuses where they don't even record who voted for whom are fair, or should be allowed to determine our nominee, but you know what? I don't live in those states so it is just the way it is.

Florida voted one week early, yet not only got the penalty, but had additonal penalty heaped on (the rules called for half, and potentially more). The DNC went for the kill.

And while Obama is proclaiming that Republicans will be welcomed to the table, his camp is pissing on the majority of Democrats (who voted for Hillary). To deny that is to say that the millions of Independents who voted in our primaries supported Clinton (to equal Obmaa's vote total), and we know that they didn't.

Now, who was it that split the party again????

[suston96]

2. "If any other candidate had "won" those primaries, would you be advocating the same?"

It doesn't matter who "won" those states. Voting rights are not subject to candidate favoritism.

Read the question you asked and understand how undemocratic it is. Also Google the Democratic Party Charter and read what it says:

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:i1Dy8...

Section 4.

The National Convention shall be composed of delegates equally divided between men and
women. The delegates shall be chosen through processes which:

(a) assure ALL Democratic voters full, timely and equal opportunity to participate .......

(b) assure that delegations fairly reflect the division of preferences expressed by those who
participate in the Presidential nominating process

We are a democratic republic - that means every citizen participates equally in the process of self-governance.

republic: (1): a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law

[BeatleBoot]

4. I would be appalled at my candidate if they

didn't put their name on the ballot, then demanded 50% or more of the votes.

That, to me, is unreal.

[Madam Mossfern]

9. on the other hand....

to want the vote to count when there was only one of the candidates on the ballot is even more "unreal". Hillary agreed that these primaries would not count, she has changed her position...I doubt that she would have changed her position if she had lost those two states. Now that, is REAL.

[BeatleBoot]

10. Leaders show up

Leaders lead.

[dchill]

11. Losers throw up...

Losers lose.
:puke:

[BeatleBoot]

12. Here you go

Just make sure you clean it out when your done.

[dchill]

14. Ah, my very own spitoon!

And made in your likeness! Thanks!
:)

[BeatleBoot]

15. {rim shot]

[MonkeyFunk]

16. Not every candidate is on every primary ballot

and those votes still count.

[Robyn66]

7. If I lived in FL or MI

I would be very angry that my legislators for doing what they did. I do believe every vote should count and the primary system needs to be revamped after this election. But in all honesty what else can be done? Counting the votes as they came in is certainly not fair to ANY of the candidates who were in the race AT THE TIME!