Clinton's Op-Ed: It Was NOT A Gaffe, And She Meant What She Said!

[BlooInBloo]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/05/25/2008-05-25_hillary_why_i_continue_to_run.html?page=0

This past Friday, during a meeting with a newspaper editorial board, I was asked about whether I was going to continue in the presidential race.

I made clear that I was - and that I thought the urgency to end the 2008 primary process was unprecedented. I pointed out, as I have before, that both my husband's primary campaign, and Sen. Robert Kennedy's, had continued into June.

Almost immediately, some took my comments entirely out of context and interpreted them to mean something completely different - and completely unthinkable.

I want to set the record straight: I was making the simple point that given our history, the length of this year's primary contest is nothing unusual. Both the executive editor of the newspaper where I made the remarks, and Sen. Kennedy's son, Bobby Kennedy Jr., put out statements confirming that this was the clear meaning of my remarks. Bobby stated, "I understand how highly charged the atmosphere is, but I think it is a mistake for people to take offense."

Remember people: Clinton thinks it's YOUR fault for being offended. Your fault.


EDIT: Some commentary (no need to write my own :P):

Shameless HiIllary blames all of us for her sick "assassination" remarks on Friday, which have redefined the Macaca moment
http://www.americablog.com/2008/05/shameless-hiillary-blames-all-of-us-for.html

Hillary Clinton Op-Ed: Unapologetic and Delusional
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/25/93259/3960/292/522448

[Occam Bandage]

1. "I think it is a mistake for people to take offense."

Ah, good to know she'd continue the Bush model of responsibility: If I fuck up, it's your problem for caring about it.

Good thing she lost.

[ErinBerin84]

3. lol

It's funny that Clinton wrote an Op-ed in the NY Daily News. I realize that the NY Post and NY Daily news were especially hard on her, but so was the NY Times editorial board. It just seems like a NY Times Op ed might have been a better choice. I think that the NY Post and NY Daily news are kind of tabloid-y.

[hisownpetard]

16. Yes. Her next interview will be with the WWF, and she'll be in yellow trunks...

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[ErinBerin84]

77. um, excuse me? Welcome to DU.

Was this op ed not in the NY Daily news? Feel free to clarify for me if I misunderstood. And are you defending the NY Daily news? Who made Hillary Clinton share the front page with Lindsay Lohan in "Who did Lindsay kiss this time!?"

[Carolina]

82. Hillary is a total fuck up

You're right. She made nice with the NY Post's owner Rupert Murdoch and got what she deserved. After all, if ya lie down with snakes, ya get bitten.

So the Post skewered her -- and rightfully so -- and now she writes a bullshit piece on its op-ed page.

[BlooInBloo]

90. I'm just not sure what you mean - can you stop beating around the bush?

:P

[BlooInBloo]

84. I still want pictures of the kiss!!!!

:P

[SwampG8r]

127. the times probaly read it and passed

all its missing is a "visit my website hillaryclinton.com" and it would be her standard fractured fairy tale
she probably HAD a money beg in it originally but the news edited it out

[Ichingcarpenter]

21. She's a Word Smith ..... Here is a take from a Linguist on Apologies.

The article is a good read that explains within the context of Language
the meaning of a non apology, apology.




I particularly recommend Geoff Nunberg's analysis of politicians' apology rituals in his 2006 post "Apologize already", where he observes in connection with some earlier episodes in "the contemporary theater of contrition" that:

If their remarks failed as sincere apologies, they still satisfied a social purpose. In the contemporary theater of contrition, the point of ritualistic public apologies isn't to demonstrate that an offender is really, truly sorry, but only that public opinion has the power to exact the expression of self-abnegation (or in Goffman's terms, self-splitting) that's inherent in a formal apology.

<…>

Does anybody really care whether Pat Robertson was genuinely remorseful about suggesting that Hugo Chavez should be assassinated, or whether Charles Stimson felt a pang of conscience after attacking the lawyers representing the Guantanamo detainees? Sometimes, the more insincere and grudging a nonapology is, the better it makes the point: it doesn't matter whether you're really sorry — if you say this kind of stuff, you're going to have to go out there and take it back

From this perspective, an important part of the public ritual of political apology is the question of which feelings of offense (however allegedly misguided) the politician feels compelled to mention. The apologizer's goal is to cite the narrowest possible range of offended people and reasons for offense.

http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=187

[yardwork]

24. Her lies about this are making me angrier and angrier.

Next she'll tell us that we're wrong to be angry about Abu Ghraib.

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[Occam Bandage]

69. The manner in which people interpret a politician's statements

is always and without exception entirely the politician's fault. If people get "the wrong idea," it's because the politician fucked up, not because humanity at large fucked up. Shifting the burden of blame onto everyone and anyone but the President is a hallmark of the Bush administration, and it's one I'm disappointed to see the Clinton campaign continuing.

[Carolina]

89. how can SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many people be wrong

newbie troll.

She's still in the race because anything can happen, because after all ya know RFK got shot...

She's poison and needs to go. If she didn't have such a history of lying and spinning and saying this before... maybe, just by a hair, your misunderstnading crap would be understandable.

But HRC revealed her craven narcissistic, sociopathic, power-hungry soul, and it's a good thing so many people see it. No amount of spinning and triangulating can undo this travesty.

[BlooInBloo]

94. She's betraying all those who lived through and cared about that time..

as well as just insulting everybody else's intelligence.

[WillyT]

114. Exactly !!! - K & R !!!

:kick:

[genna]

108. You can say mistake and misinterpreted, but it wasn't what her slight of hand is showing

Tell me something, how do you 'apologize' by saying why you are in the race in the first place. The non-apology is a footnote in your speech about how enlightened your campaign is.

I am running because I believe staying in this race will help unite the Democratic Party. I believe that if Sen. Obama and I both make our case - and all Democrats have the chance to make their voices heard - in the end, everyone will be more likely to rally around the nominee.

If you bring up Obama and RFK to show that NOT EVERYONE TO THE LEFT OF HILLARY WAS UPSET, it does not prove the statement was misinterpreted. It just shows that they heard what Hillary said and took her at her word.

I don't take her at her word instead I have decided to watch her slight of hand.

She lied when she said she was thinking about Ted Kennedy's recent illness when she made mention of the 1968 campaign because she made the same statement in March. She is lying.

She is using the shortest means to an end to save face. She is a over the line stepper and has to be challenged so she will stop trying to cross these truth lines.


Her best bet from the start would have been to tell the absolute unvarnished truth: You were offended, I'm sorry.

She didn't do that. First, I'm sorry if anyone could have been offended.

Now, it is your fault because you were offended. No reasonable person would have read what was said and been offended.


Well let's see how her bs plays itself out.

She is done.
Her tactics are tired.
Her real identity as emerged. that flies in the face of everything I stand for - and everything I am fighting for in this election.
Now you will be held accountable for it.

[dchill]

76. Actually, this is One Step Beyond...

the Bush model - Bush just says it's not HIS fault, Hillary says it's OURS.

[LSparkle]

2. Haughty Hilliary strikes again ... it's OUR fault, NOT HERS ...

Geez, I'm really trying hard NOT to hate her but ...
she's making it damned difficult.

[rebel with a cause]

139. Haughty Hillary???????

You...You...YOU mean that she's an elitist? :rofl:

By the way, love the name. None I came up with was that good.

[FARAFIELD]

4. Yes Its my fault for YOU saying if OBAMA is killed you can step in

[marylanddem]

5. STILL no apology to Obama? What a piece of shit she is.

[roguevalley]

117. god, I hope NY kicks her to the curb in the next election and maybe

these assholes will get it that doing this kind of campaign can have costs.

[high density]

6. Yeah, we're all wrong and you're right, Hillary

We're well aware that it's now a featured platform of your campaign.

[rebel with a cause]

140. It's because we are all sexist.

;)

To make an apology where you take no responsibily or admit any mistake is no apology. It is an appeasment. OHHHHH, Hillary is an appeasor. It pays sometime to know the correct meaning of the words these political people use.

[JVS]

7. Way not to put this one to bed, Hilly.

[BlooInBloo]

9. Hopefully that puts to bed ALL talk of a "gaffe". She MEANT what she said.

[marylanddem]

13. Excellent point.

[JVS]

14. Which is kind of a meta-gaffe. Poor choice of words has become bad mentality.

[BlooInBloo]

19. It's the other way 'round, I think.

[JVS]

26. Well bad mentality has caused her to choose bad words.

But the scandal has gone from an issue of slip of the tongue to being fucked up in the head.

[BlooInBloo]

35. True that. "Do you really want another lunatic as President?" - heh.

[SoFlaJet]

78. I totally agree JVS

SHE is the one who needs her medical records looked at not McCain-she even looks frigging insane

[genna]

128. mEta-GAFFE? WHat?

:applause:

I am watching Howard Wolfson on Face the Nation.
:rant:

When I finish this race, I might not like any of these spokesman.


It's Obama's fault for saying these unfortunate statements have no place in this campaign.

Meta-gaffe. Perhaps clusterF8ck is a better designation. She has backed herself into an untenable position.

Dee Dee Myers said the enthusiasm of her supporters was sucked out by this choice of words and message point. This is a BOIL on the bottom of the party. Her tactics need to be knocked out for their quality.

[rebel with a cause]

144. Yes there is an article where this is stated also.

Here is a link to it. It is titled...Hillary: RfK statement unrelated to Obama.

How can she say it is not related to Obama. Everything she says these days is related to the campaign and Obama. Did she mean this might happen to him? I don't know, but that is literally what she said and since she cannot really apologize and say she made a mistake in the words she used I have to assume that is exactly what she meant. after all, when Obama used the word "bitter", he came out and apologized, admitted he had made a mistake and used the wrong word. And of course she immediately forgave him and let it drop.....or wait, no she didn't, she tagged him an elitist and is still using it today if it benefits her. Talk about Karma...just saying...:shrug:


http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/25/campaign.wrap/index.html

[rebel with a cause]

142. Straight from MTP today about Hillary's comment

gaffe = accidently saying what you think.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24816030#248160...

[DevonRex]

8. See how easy it was for her to make the point without mentioning

assassination at all? Much easier than including the reference TO assassination. The explanation doesn't fly.

[Patsy Stone]

10. She just can't apologize, can she?

"I want to apologize. I used a word with disturbing and difficult connotations. I'm sorry to have offended so many people. Please, forgive me."

Look how many column inches she could have saved.

[K Gardner]

15. She has never even apologize for the Iraq War vote. Something is missing in her, deeply.

[roguevalley]

118. Bush can't find fault or apologize either. must be something you get

when you are born and raised in a wealthy republican family.

[hisownpetard]

27. No. She seems physiologically incapable of making a sincere utterance

indicating her own culpability to any degree.

Maybe at her next Tuesday prayer meeting she should read Proverbs: "Pride goeth before a fall."

[Botany]

68. Did I ever tell you that you are my Fav?

Please don't tell the others .....


It is we who should apologize to Ms. Hill for not understanding what she was saying
(for the 3rd time).

[Patsy Stone]

157. ...

It will be our little secret.

[Ytzak]

11. OK, Hillary. I will grant that you said something totally stupid...

and meant no offense. All is forgiven.

However, you have lost your bid to become the first woman President. You can not win. Get out of the way.

[K Gardner]

12. Jane Harmon, Clinton Supporter, predicts race will end "soon" with the "loser

conceding graciously." Just heard on CNN Late Edition.

[marylanddem]

20. "Gracious" isn't in the loser's vocabulary. She has blown

all opportunities to exit gracefully. Fuck her.

[BlooInBloo]

22. Which is a BIZARRE show today. It's lead-in was something like "Rhetoric between Dems and Reps...

is heating up for the general election"

And then they have a McCain supporter and a CLINTON supporter????

Not an Obama supporter???

[marylanddem]

23. Pernicious ignorance of the tornado blowing Hillary away

this weekend.

[K Gardner]

86. Yeah.. I thought that was very strange !

[rebel with a cause]

145. CNN=Clinton Nomination Network

Just my opinion. Today Wolfie and some other dude critized Obama for not encouraging the graduates at Wesleyan University to join the military. Now mind you that they had cut his speech off and then went through his plans for what he would say to critisize him. This is a far cry from what I thought CNN use to be. Well, new networks themselves are a far cry from what they use to be. again, just my opinion.

[george_maniakes]

17. Maybe we should all apologize to hillary for misunderstanding her.

What we have here is a failure to communicate.

[havocmom]

55. She may be waiting by her door for all the flowers from us to arrive

:rofl:

[HereSince1628]

18. Of COURSE it is our mistake, not hers.

She simply reminded us of the assassination of RFK. We filled in the blank.

This is how the Clinton message has worked all spring. Her support WAS HARD WORKING WHITE voters, the implication of course was filled in by us...Obama's support was other than hard working whites and non-whites. OF COURSE that isn't what she said. OF COURSE that is what we as listeners supplied as juxtaposition to her supporters.

She never meant anything racial, and never called people lazy, and she certainly never linked non-whites with the notion of non-hard working.
Well, at least overtly. As far as I can tell, I mean I have no reason to not take her at her word...

[rebel with a cause]

146. and those of us who understand "white speak"

are doubly bad. We should never think that she would use that covert language used in places like some parts of Illinois, Arkansas, West Virginia, and etc. Now where all has Hillary said she has lived?

[boobooday]

25. The problem is all these damn microphones and recording gizmos!

AKA the Rumsfeld defense.

[Spazito]

28. I notice she does NOT address WHY she chose to use 1968

and the assassination of Bobby Kennedy instead of the other years where primaries went to June and past it.

Why choose THAT year over the others? Why highlight the assassination of Bobby Kennedy?

[marylanddem]

33. She meant what she said & she can't lipstick the pig

She clearly meant that there is a possibility that June 2008 will be like June 1968: a Democratic front runner will be assassinated.
She said it & she meant it. She is stuck with it. Wishing for assassination. Most fucking disgusting thing you could say & she said it.

[rebel with a cause]

147. I really don't think she was wishing for

an assassination. I think she was putting that fear into people's minds. I know when this whole thing started there were people who were afraid to vote for Obama because they were afraid of him being assassinated. Some of them were here on this board. She was trying to remind people, maybe even Michelle Obama, that this could happen and also to other people...she was saying, hey if this happens I'll still be here to pick up the torch. If anything like that happened, and from my mouth to God's ear it will not, no one better suggest Hillary Clinton for the nominee. I will not/cannot support that idea.

[City Lights]

49. And she's still pretending that the length of the 1968 race is similar

to this year. We know she sucks at math, but now it's apparent she sucks at history and calendars too.

She's off her rocker. Totally bonkers.

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[Bright Eyes]

34. Equating what Clinton said to electing Bush is not a wise comparison.

Nor even valid.

[BlooInBloo]

37. Wow - you were proven right almost before I saw it! lol!

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[BlooInBloo]

45. Not an auspicious first post. But welcome - I hope you enjoy your stay!

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[BlooInBloo]

66. Hush sockpuppet.

[Bright Eyes]

71. Considering this is the second time she invoked RFK's assassination,

I don't she was making a mistake.

[roguevalley]

119. this apparently is the third time. she's done this since march.

[Hansel]

133. And her campaign has invoked "catastrophic event" many more.

What's that suppose to imply? If it's not suppose to play on the fear of assassination, which have been all too common "catastrophic events" for Democratic and black leaders in the last several decades, then I would think "his campaign might implode" would work just as well without the unsavory connotations. "Catastrophic event" is code for assassination.

They have been pushing this consistently for several months now. I'm surprise no one on Air America has asked Terry McAuliffe what he means by this since he has used it during every interview he has done with them recently.

[rebel with a cause]

148. try 3rd, 4th, 5th.

I don't know how many times but it exceeds twice.:shrug:

[Bright Eyes]

153. Well, to be fair, she only used the word "assassination" on two occasions.

Twice too many, of course.

The other times she just mentioned RFK, not his assassination. I remember Keith making that point.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x136834

About 2:22 minutes in, Keith mentions it.

[rebel with a cause]

154. okay

but she also used it when saying how JFK was assassinated and Johnson did all the work. I believe. I could be wrong.

[Bright Eyes]

30. "Clinton thinks it's YOUR fault for being offended."

I'm sorry, Hillary! I promise not to be offended by any insensitive and heartless comments you make in the future.

[havocmom]

32. My dad was a drunk. A mostly likeable drunk, but a drunk. Nothing was his fault either

I gave up codependency a LONG time ago. Hillary is responsible for Hillary. My feelings have nothing to do with the shit she pulls.

[crankychatter]

36. I need somethin to watch besides CNN - they're fixin to piss me off

we have a Clinton supporter (still harping about unity and VP Clinton) and a McCain supporter with Blitzer to comment on Obama's address at Wesleyan.

WTF is that? Is this balanced? Is this respectful of Ted Kennedy?

I missed the first half of MTP... what else have I got this morning?

[AllentownJake]

38. Our George W Bush

Only admits she was wrong when there is video taped evidence and even than makes jokes about it.

Making jokes about Tuzla just like Bush made jokes about WMD.

She is unfit to be President of the United States.

[BlooInBloo]

Hm. I'm not sure which is worse...

I suppose if you have to ask that question, supporting her isn't really an option.

[AllentownJake]

46. Same personality

Running on the name of what someone else has accomplished and felt being entitled to the job because of it. Inability to admit mistakes, nastiness to those who disagree, everything is someone else's fault.

Same pathology.

[Carolina]

97. exactly, excellent points

who would have thought in 2000 that we, Democrats, would be likening Hillary Clinton to GWB. But my God, with each passing day, you are so right, Jake, she reveals she has the same personality and same pathology.

[AllentownJake]

101. Obliterate

was the final sign for me. The way she could so easily talking about wiping out an entire people..not a government but innocents as well I finally made the connection.

[Carolina]

110. I was actually done with her when she trusted

Bush and voted "aye" on IWR in 2002 despite the cautionary speech of Robert Byrd, the votes of nearly half her Democratic Senate colleagues and the clear wishes of her NY constituents who let her know through calls, faxes and emails.

Then when it was clear Bush was going to war in 2003, where was her moral outrage and courage? Nonexistent! She only started to speak out against the war when it became politically expedient, i.e. just before she launched this awful POTUS bid.

She's a craven, narcissistic, power-hungry sociopath.

[rebel with a cause]

149. If you didn't vote for bush you were a member of the

intellectual elite. Now if you don't vote for Hillary you are either a sexist, non-white, or an egg-head. :sarcasm:

[havocmom]

72. As we come to Memorial Day, it is especially poignant that she has proved she is unfit to be CIC

She IS unfit for the Presidency, and the troops defiantly deserve a less self-involved, self-serving CIC.

[genna]

129. Our W notices that even though these Sunday shows have been tame about it

that the issue itself has not been put to bed yet.


Evidently, they might have heard from someone somewhere that this was INEXCUSABLE AND UPSETTING.

She's stayed too long anytime her language has gotten this loose.

I have this Face the Nation on tape and feel like Howard Wolfson, the messenger, is shoveling some truly tasteless crap at us. Bob Schieffer can't believe it.

I can't believe it either.

[LibraLiz1973]

39. It is your fault for being offended with something SHE DID NOT SAY

[roguevalley]

120. you need to examine your conscience, libraliz. millions of people

on both sides of atlantic got it.

[Pisces]

40. SHe is sick and deluded. We misheard like she misremembered Sniper fire.

[Botany]

41. Can she just go away?

I realize that any reference to that traumatic moment for our nation can be deeply painful -
particularly for members of the Kennedy family, who have been in my heart and prayers over
this past week. And I expressed regret right away for any pain I caused.
(not one word to Obama and his family)


But I was deeply dismayed and disturbed that my comment would be construed in a way that
flies in the face of everything I stand for - and everything I am fighting for in this election.
(It is our fault for taking her out of context .... this is the third time she has talked Bobby Kennedy
& assassination .... and the first 2 times was before the news of Ted Kennedy's health so that
couldn't have been a reason)

I am running because my parents did not raise me to be a quitter - and too many people still come
up to me at my events, grip my arm and urge me not to walk away before this contest is over.
More than 17 million Americans have voted for me in this race - the most in presidential primary history.
(only if you count MI & FL where Obama didn't run or have his name on the ballot in MI)

Finally, I am running because I believe I'm the strongest candidate to stand toe-to-toe with Sen. McCain.
Delegate math might be complicated - but electoral math is not. Our campaign is winning the popular
vote - and we've been winning the swing states we need to get 270 electoral votes and take back the White
House: Pennsylvania, Ohio, Arkansas, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Nevada, Michigan, Florida
and West Virginia. (oh for the love of God Hillary got big #s of cross over votes of people who would
never vote for Dem in the G.E.)

[BlooInBloo]

43. Shorter: Clinton should be the nominee no matter how few delegates she has.

[Botany]

64. In Ohio she had 8 points of her total came from "cross over" .....

.... hard core repugs. I know I live in OH. She won by 8 points.

In New Hampshire Hillary lost the paper ballot precincts but won the
diebold precincts .... recount had to stop ... "they" had lost the memory
cards. I could go on and on too.

Much of Hillary's #s now come from less than solid support.

Without a doubt the repugs want to run against her.

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[Carolina]

102. Gee, 8 poster, you speak for most Democrats?

Wish on. Now go back where you came from.

[Nite Owl]

47. Something she fails to mention

is that in '68 the primaries were just beginning in March and in '92 they were essentially over by March when Tsongas graciously bowed out to promote unity in the Dem party. This primary has been going on forever. Does she think we are all that dumb not to know the facts here?

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[polichick]

50. If the party doesn't stop this vile candidate, it will deserve its own demise.

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[polichick]

57. I don't know who "you guys" are - it's up to party leaders to stop it.

[City Lights]

87. Agreed. Unfortunately. nt

[tabasco]

52. A candidate for leader of the USA should choose her words more carefully.

I really don't believe her spin anyway.

[Botany]

74. Old Arabic saying.

You are the master of all words you don't say but all words you do say are the master of you.
Old Arabic saying.

[Yael]

54. "I'm sorry I offended you" vs "I'm sorry you were offended"

Huge difference.

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[BlooInBloo]

61. Oooh! Oooh! Is it: one's an apology and one's not???

(crosses fingers)

[JimGinPA]

56. Being Hillary Means Never Having To Say You're Sorry

Up hers.

[City Lights]

62. Just like George.

Ick.

[liberaldem4ever]

63. At this point, I can't understand what she is thinking

It keeps getting worse and worse for her daily. Too bad for her she kept this going as long as she has. At this point, she should be worried about the rest of her political career after this primary is over.

[BlooInBloo]

65. It like how thinkers think of *lying* - every moment you don't come clean is a NEW lie...

That's why this sort of thing doesn't usually die down.

[roguevalley]

121. this won't go away, her op makes that clear. also, blaming the press

isn't a good idea.

[DeschutesRiver]

67. Unless I am reading that wrong

if she thinks that by now eliminating her use of the reason for the abrupt end of RFK's race, ie assassination, she can skate over what she did and pretend this never happened, she is wrong. I had written elsewhere that she needed to do something a la Obama's race speech after the Wright deal to prove she is fit for office.

Apparently she is not - because she has decided to stick to her "timeline" guns. And toss in a "blame the victim" kind of deal. This is what happens when a dumb Legend in Her Own Mind kind of person thinks she is still talking to only her stupid racist voter base, instead of the ones smarter than she.

Buh Bye Hillary.

[genna]

130. Using the Sunday show format, her surrogates are trying to shame those who don't buy the timeline

BHO surrogates are saying, let it go.

They aren't reacting to the rest of what HRC surrogates have said.


I think it is important to say that the story itself kills her credibility. She couldn't do a race speech to deal with the broader issue of political assassinations because there is no larger point.


I like her pushing the media's faux outrage as a talking point. B.s. The media had nothing to do with the statement she originally put out, the later explanation, or today's op-ed.


She didn't do all that to put down the hard working white voters comment. Her campaign knows this is the end and they are trying to finish well on June 3rd.

The crap she is shoveling should have been repudiated prior to this death comment she made.

[WeDidIt]

70. Wonderful, now she RUBS SALT INTO MY OPEN WOUND!

She just made matters even worse!

[BlooInBloo]

73. The Bastid Schafer on Meet The Press is stealing my forums posts!

:rofl:

[OzarkDem]

75. Are you all getting bored?

Living in your protected echo chamber, creating your own reality, repeating your own talking points with little or no counter-argument?

[bridgit]

79. Yes. Yes they are...

[roguevalley]

122. No. are you getting bored living in a hallucination where pantsuits

rule?

[Skip Intro]

80. In context her meaning was clear, and it was twisted by the media and the blogosphere.

But don't let the facts, or the fact that the editorial board, RFK Jr, even our own Skinner - who saw it for what it really was, interfere with the piling on and the contest to see who can feign outrage best.

I have lost all respect for a shameless large portion of the people here.

[genna]

132. lOSt ResPEct? shAmEless OutRAGE?

How could anyone possibly be outraged by that non-apology, the original statement or THE DREADED op-ed OR EVEN the rationalization offered by terry MCAULIFFE and Howard Wolfson?

sUrelY, SOMEthing is WrOnG with US?

how could WE?

[Bolo Boffin]

81. Bobby Kennedy's campaign was running in June because he entered the race in the middle of March!

Three months later, he was assassinated.

How long has this primary campaign been going on????? What freaking urgency is she talking about? Jiminy H. Christmas...

To be clear, I don't think she was calling for an assassination at all, but the clear implication was that if it happened, she'd be ready and waiting. Otherwise, why bring up this one? Why not bring up the Kennedy-Carter "take it to the convention" -- oh, wait, Carter lost after that one. Can't mention that one, right? But that's clearly the best precedent here. (Bill had the momentum and the nomination on his side long before California made it official in 1992).

Because she doesn't ever mention 1980, Senator Clinton clearly has thought through the potential implications of the examples of long-running campaigns -- but Bobby Kennedy's campaign lasted a mere THREE MONTHS. Why bring it up? Why else but to remind people that some crazy person out there might assassinate a charismatic candidate like Barack Obama before the convention? The hell she didn't mean to invoke the image of such a thing!

[BlooInBloo]

88. Of course the Vulture Strategy is clear. As is the false historical reference.

[Bolo Boffin]

91. It makes you wonder if she's got the post-assassination comment already prepared.

You know, the way newspapers write obituaries and file them for ease of future reference?

[BlooInBloo]

105. Heh - It's gone waaay too far to say it would be beneath her, that's for sure.

[suston96]

83. She said political campaigns can end abruptly before they are over....

Matter of fact, what would happen if the convention selects nominees and one or both candidates cannot continue for whatever reason?

Anybody know?

Here is what looks like a state procedure - maybe Texas......

http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/docs/EL/content/htm/el.011.00.000192.00.htm

[roguevalley]

123. She said assassination with her remarks, not broken ankle or

imprisonment for jaywalking. she knew what she was doing or are the hillbots ready to concede that she is stupid and needs a handler for her runaway mouth?

[slinkerwink]

85. Her remarks would have been IF she hadn't mentioned "Oh, we all remember RFK was assassinated" in

her comments. She's rewriting history in her op-ed.

[Terri S]

92. And still no apology

You didn't talk about Bobby's campaign, Hillary, you talked about his assassination. Take responsibility for once in your damn life!!!

Then she has the nerve to say this???

"I am running because I believe staying in this race will help unite the Democratic Party."

You know, I'm really trying to just get past this and ignore her for the sake of my blood pressure. She just really needs to STFU

:grr::grr::grr:

[genna]

93. Wiggle room with a non-apology...how could you treat me this way?

Answer because you asked for it by making the initial few statements on assassination.

But I was deeply dismayed and disturbed that my comment would be construed in a way that flies in the face of everything I stand for - and everything I am fighting for in this election.

WTF!

Construed in a way?

Let me be clear that the only thing she is sorry is about is we were offended not her words were offensive!


What makes me more sick than a little bit is the only reason she is coming out now is so many people haven't laughed 'assassination' off.

She got away with the hard-working white voters. She did not come out and say of course, I have a broader base than white voters or hard-working white voters. Then list her coalition.

She got away with this crap she has ran as advertisement with Osama bin Laden.

She has gotten away with a wider litany of b.s. than any other candidate would get away with and be routinely criticized for.


Well b.s. she is deeply disturbed and dismayed. I will tell you what I find upsetting these bottom feeders who know no shame talking about faux outrage. Would they know real pain if it bit them?

Can they tell me how often I pray that God protects Obama and his family along this campaign (not when he is in the WH, but just standing up being a candidate in this campaign)? Then HRC comes along and acts like this is one of many things that can happen.

Sure, sure deeplydeeply disturbed and dismayed, I agree with HRC supporter Charlie Rangel, it was the dumbest thing she could have said.

[BlooInBloo]

98. What genna said.

[genna]

136. Bloo did you see Gwen Ifill on Washington week ask Karen Tumulty of Time about HRC?

http://www.pbs.org/weta/washingtonweek/transcripts/

The transcript isn't posted there yet...Monday midday.


Gwen was throwing off a little more than I've ever seen. Evidently, all is not well with that. Karen maintained her stance, but said it was just weird considering all HRC is looking to gain.


I appreciate her question and her response compared to what Howard Kurtz did with those women on Reliable Sources this morning, what were they thinking?

[Carolina]

95. All those pesky words that Hillary can't escape

the more she talks (writes), the worse it gets. More spin, more excusitis, more shameless effort(s) to blame anybody rather than look in the mirror.

MTP this AM was really good and Doris Kearns Goodwin nailed her on both fronts: her assassination words and the fallacy of her timeline argument.

Hillary is such a POS.

[roguevalley]

124. she's a dinosaur, you know. she doesn't get video tape and the

internet.

[DogPoundPup]

96. N-A-F-T-A !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just a reminder folks!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kid a]

99. I've said over and over - I'll give the benefit of the doubt. BUt, will she or any supporter

give me the benefit of how it could be taken as offensive or misconstrued

[genna]

134. No they won't. They act like we should apologize because the outrage is the point, not the original

statement.

Well, they will be waiting for a lifetime. Are they praying for her like I'm praying for BHO's safety? Do they flinch every time he takes Michelle out to an open stage? Does their stomach drop every time they see those beautiful little girls out in the open?

If they don't understand that, then they only see the politics...they don't feel the palpable fear which has been there since he declared his candidacy.

I hear echoes of Ossie Davis asking did we ever see Malcolm smile in my head.

[BlooInBloo]

135. Thanks - I had never read the eulogy before....

The grafs you referred to, I take it:

Many will ask what Harlem finds to honor in this stormy, controversial and bold young captain—and we will smile. Many will say turn away—away from this man; for he is not a man but a demon, a monster, a subverter and an enemy of the black man—and we will smile. They will say that he is of hate—a fanatic, a racist—who can only bring evil to the cause for which you struggle! And we will answer and say to them:

Did you ever talk to Brother Malcolm? Did you ever touch him or have him smile at you? Did you ever really listen to him? Did he ever do a mean thing? Was he ever himself associated with violence or any public disturbance? For if you did, you would know him. And if you knew him, you would know why we must honor him: Malcolm was our manhood, our living, black manhood!

http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/071.html


EDIT: And anyone mocking people for wanting to avoid this happening again can fucking go to hell.

[genna]

141. Yes Bloo that is exactly what I here in my head. NEVER AGAIN

I don't want any misspoken words about this man, this living man.

I don't want any lies --- well I was referring to myself --- lies about what was said on Friday.

I don't want any half truths sucking out our moral compass --- timeline only --- well RFK was killed in 3 months of a primary campaign run. This one has been going on for almost six months and the candidates were posing for 12 months prior to this.

Seriously, you can't say that those people, Malcolm, Martin, Bobby, John didn't have a warning that everyone was not ok with what their politics were before the unthinkable happened.

Is HRC's campaign offices being vandalized or broken into?


If they don't have a context, then what in the world are we still upset about this crap for?

I guess when you are in HRC world, you can just speak behind a monitor and say everything is alright.

YOU CAN'T.

Have you read some of the racist rants that are posted in commentary sections? Not this websites, but I've read some stuff that makes me say brother when you went out there, did you have any idea you were asking the entire black community to stand and to fall with you? It doesn't stop there at the computer screen for the brothers and sisters as JUST a possible debate.

[BlooInBloo]

143. :) Yeah - the yahoo forums are a famous place to go for that kind of thing...

But it's all over the place.

[williesgirl]

100. self delete - I apologize to all of you but not to her.

[BlooInBloo]

103. Oh sheesh. You have a chance to self-delete, of course.

[Bolo Boffin]

106. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Ever, ever, ever, ever, ever.

[BlooInBloo]

109. :)

[Jazzgirl]

104. What an artful rewrite of history.

She got a lot of nerve. The more I hear/read what she says, the more distasteful she becomes.

[havocmom]

107. Thinkin we should look closely at all her sniper fire comments from earlier

She does seem to have a pre-occupation with certain subject matter.

[mcctatas]

111. I cannot believe she still thinks she can win...

her stubborn denial of reality and tendancy to blame others for her mistakes is so gobsmackingly delusional it makes W jealous!!!!! That woman will never go away!!!!!!! :nuke:

[mod mom]

112. She forgot to mention she misspoke by saying her husband didn't lock up the nomination until June.

[genna]

113. 6 paragraphs on a pseudo-apology and 1 paragraph on party unity

The last paragraph:

But no matter what happens in this primary, I am committed to unifying this party. Ultimately, what Sen. Obama and I share is so much greater than our differences. And I know that if we come together, as a party and a people, there is no challenge we cannot meet, no barrier we cannot break and no dream we cannot realize.

Her actions definitely speak to that 100%.:sarcasm:

[Cha]

115. hilary rottenhead clinton is being an arrogant A$$hole to

very end. Well, at least she's not the fucked up victim today, or is she?

[ClassWarrior]

116. Clinton thinks it's your fault for being offended. YOUR fault.

NGU.

[Window]

125. K/R.

:kick:

[rainbow4321]

126. Still no apology to Obama or his family...

and the first couple paragraphs about her comment are just a lead in to a big article on more of her lame, delusional excuses on why she will not drop out.

[genna]

131. Before Clinton's latest doublespeak, the stealing and shameless charge was in effect

From Howard Kurtz on Friday morning before the sniper thing, I'm sorry the death thing.
:popcorn:

As for the liberal disdain I mentioned, the New Republic's Jonathan Chait serves up a heaping dish, starting with FL and MI:

"It's obviously true that Obama not campaigning, organizing, or advertising in those states hurt him, and helped the more familiar candidate in Clinton. She decided to campaign to change the rules only after it became her interest to do so.

"This gambit by Clinton is simply an attempt to steal the nomination. It's obviously not going to work, because Democratic superdelegates don't want to commit suicide. But this episode is very revealing about Clinton's character. I try not to make moralistic characterological judgments about politicians, because all politicians compromise their ideals in the pursuit of power. There are no angels in this business. Clinton's gambit, however, truly is breathtaking.

"If she's consciously lying, it's a shockingly cynical move. I don't think she's lying. I think she's so convinced of her own morality and historical importance that she can whip herself into a moralistic fervor to support nearly any position that might benefit her, however crass and sleazy. It's not just that she's convinced herself it's okay to try to steal the nomination, she has also appropriated the most sacred legacies of liberalism for her effort to do so. She is proving herself temperamentally unfit for the presidency."

Steal? Isn't that what the Democrats accused George W. Bush of doing?

:hide:

How much as she pissed off non supporters?
:yoiks:

LOTS

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[ScreamingMeemie]

138. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6123515

[blogslut]

150. It's not the gaffe. It's the apology.

Oy.

[BlooInBloo]

151. And now Fox riffed on Clinton, and ratcheted it up another notch.

[blogslut]

152. I saw Ms. Trotta

I think we need to bring the CDC in on this. We have an epidemic of Slipping-Tongue Syndrome on our hands. Purportedly intelligent, experienced adults who cannot control the wiring between their brains and their mouths. They keep saying terrible things they don't mean to say. It's a crisis, I tell ya.

[psychmommy]

155. i think it is becoming more and more appropriate to say

the inappropriate. we will be hearing more racial crap as obama takes center stage. if we let it slide then it will continue and grow for example hillary. buchanan has been getting away with slick stuff for quite awhile. it will only get worse if we don't check them when it begins. i know folks wrote in to msnbc because mr b has calmed down a lot. i say we start doing fcc write in campaigns for stuff like the hussy on faux.

[BlooInBloo]

156. Yup. Clinton started the mainstreaming talk of assassinating Obama.

[grannylib]

158. Wow. That makes me even sadder than the non-apology she

gave Friday.
Find a mirror, Hillary. The only person to blame is YOURSELF.

[AZBlue]

159. "I'm a victim! Waaaah....people are so mean to me."

Wait until Tuesday, somehow this will be tied to her being a woman.
She's vile.