Has the MSM acknowledged the source of "AssasinationGate" as the ObamaCamp yet?

[MethuenProgressive]

This whole tempest-in-a-teapot has all the earmarks of an Axlerod production.
Taking a comment about primary races having lasted into June in the past, and twisting
it into "she wants him dead!" is classic Karl Rove/Donna Brazile/David Axelrod.

This thing didn't spring from thin air. It was propelled and promoted.

[underpants]

1. He made her say that.... TWICE!?!?!?

:shrug:

That is some power!!!

[LSparkle]

17. Exactly ... she just did it on videotape this time

More HRC campaign "it's not my fault" B.S. She's
looking more and more like George "Nothing Is Ever
My Fault" Shrubya Boosh every day.

[FlaGranny]

272. Perhaps she's really a

marionette. That would explain it.

[Bolo Boffin]

47. And she's alluded to it a couple of times more

She just didn't say the A word the other times she brought it up.

[WA98296]

73. More than twice, media has it at 3 times, some say 4

[roguevalley]

82. this op is disgusting and sickening. what a terrible thing it is not to

be able to face reality. wretched.

[K Gardner]

123. This is taken DIRECTLY from a thread at HILLARYCLINTONFORUM.NET.. they

bring that crap over here and watch us all dither about over it. HIDETHREAD is a nice feature :-)

[MethuenProgressive]

218. Link?

What's your handle over there?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

253. Since Drudge pushed the story its likely Clinton wanted it out there

to get the story spread.

Because she meant what she said and she needs some crazies
to get her message.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

254. The Clinton-Drudge Connection, Drudge launches RFK rocket

The Clinton-Drudge Connection
Oct 2, 2007 ... The Clinton-Drudge Connection. 02 Oct 2007 11:25 am ..... Reality Man on The Clinton-Drudge Connection; That Drudge Fellow on The ...
http://matthewyglesias.theatlantic.com/archives/2007/10/the_clintondrudge_connection.php

Drudge launches RFK rocket, Obama delivers address at Wesleyan University and ... Senator CLINTON: “EXCLUSIVE: WHY I RUN — After assassination gaffe, ...
http://www.politico.com/playbook/0508/playbook316.html

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[MethuenProgressive]

121. You noticed when she said it the first time the ObamaCamp didn't explode?

Like they have this time?

[K Gardner]

132. PEOPLE let her get away with Bosnia Sniper Fire x 3, too. Stop spouting your ClintonForum TPMs over

here.. its disengenuous and so much bullshit.

[MethuenProgressive]

135. You've been played. Drudge and the NY Post lied to:

The initial N.Y. Post item read this way: “She is still in the presidential race, she said today, because historically, it makes no sense to quit, and added that, ‘Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June,’ making an odd comparison between the dead candidate and Barack Obama.”

Mrs. Clinton did not make that comparison.

Taint what was said. If you care, that is...

[Doityourself]

236. Ha, if you gave money to Hilly's campaign, you're the one that has been played..like a sucka!

[indimuse]

156. Is this Democratic Underground OR Obama-UnderSPELL?

Really?

[MethuenProgressive]

214. ObamacraticUnderground, where Drudge, the NY Post, and Obamann does their thinking for them.

[indimuse]

288. ding ding ding!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3U0df0qGoA JOAN WALSH , TWEETY AND '"ASSHOLE"... OBAMA CAMPAIGN SPREADS LIE!


Morning,MP :)

[underpants]

180. That is called giving her more rope

OR a bigger shovel

Looks like her wiley campaign staff and she took what they gave them and (continued to) did their work for them. It is easy not going negative when you don't have to.

[NashVegas]

197. Yeah ... Wasn't It Just a Couple of Weeks Ago?

That this showed up in this forum and it was about 97% agreed that it wasn't a big deal?

[gal]

299. Actually I don't think they exploded, I think they handled it in a very classy way.

The people of America and MSM exploded as they should. I personally thought more should have been mad the FIRST time I heard it.
There is no reason to use the word "assination" even if you want to spout off bad examples. (unless of course you want to send a little dig)

But...let's say the Obama camp did expand on this...so what? Didn't Hillary do this with "bitter"? Oh that's right................she is allowed and he isn't! I forgot.

[SwampG8r]

161. nay thrice thrice i say

only twice with the actual A word tho

[GarbagemanLB]

2. Sort of like 'bittergate'. Ah...I love karma!

[MethuenProgressive]

100. So, "assasinationgate" is the Obama Camp's revenge for "bittergate"?

That's possible.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

116. have you taken your meds yet? n/t

[golddigger]

124. You might need too. Will your vote be counted in MI & FL?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

125. if you go by the rules it will. Think FL and MI will try to vote ahead of the GE this November?

Do they think that the rest of the country will say - ok, go ahead morons?

[AZ Criminal JD]

177. Are Iowa and New Hampshire going to vote first?

They have no right to vote before any state whether it is the general election or the primaries.

[Dinger]

3. Predictable

100% predictable, old too.

[Liberal Veteran]

4. Okay...I admit it.

It was MY fault.

That's right folks. I used my power of super-ventriloquism to make it appear as though Hillary made that gaffe.

[dchill]

87. Oh, your ego is out of control. I DID IT...

My remote mind-meld is so bigger than your mere super-ventriloquism. The glory is MINE!

[Liberal Veteran]

88. Curses! Foiled again!

[SwampG8r]

164. and i stuffed my arm up her ass and moved her lips

[Pisces]

5. Wow, blame everyone but your flawed candidate. Like the leader, the followers point fingers

and play the blame game. People just misheard her like she misremembered sniper fire.

[dchill]

89. How do you know that THAT story...

wasn't Axelrod, too? ;)

[marmar]

6. Oh yeah.....Barack Obama MADE Hillary say that. ......

F**king please.

[MethuenProgressive]

9. She said "June" - who twisted it into "she wants him dead" and sold it to the MSM?

Where did this come from?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

21. from terry mcAwful a week earlier

when he said that the campaign is banking on a catastrophe to derail the Obama campaign.

[chascarrillo]

32. Huh, I thought she said "ASSASSINATED". Goes to show what I know.

[Bolo Boffin]

49. "she wants him dead" is a straw man.

She doesn't want him dead. That's clear.

But you know, if it happens, completely out of her control and all, well, she's tanned, rested, and ready.

[yardwork]

68. Thank you for pointing that out - too many straw men distracting from what she actually said.

Her exact words condemn her.

Asked if her continuing fight for the nomination against Senator Obama hurts the Democratic party, Sen. Hillary Clinton replied, "I don't. Because again, I've been around long enough. You know, my husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. You know, I just don't understand it. You know, there's lots of speculation about why it is.“

Her meaning is crystal clear: "I'm staying in this fight because something might happen to the presumptive nominee, just like what happened to Bobby Kennedy in 1968."

[Bolo Boffin]

115. Exactly so.

What she said was plenty heinous enough.

[Heather MC]

233. Teacher: Class how do we know Hillary is lying?

Class: WHEN SHE SAYS "YOU KNOW" FOR NO REASON

Teacher: Very Good Class I see you have been paying attention!

Bill was considered the Nominee back in April of that year. 4/8/1992 to be exact!
The June Primary at that time was just a fomality, much like all the primaries, since PA have been.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlpiDW2RB54

So even if you don't want to admit that Hillary implied she is waiting/hoping/praying for Obama to be the "A-word".

It's clear that once again she LIED
LIAR LIAR LIARRRRRRRRRR
Typical!

[MethuenProgressive]

101. A strawman played by 43 different HillHate threads on the greats page?

Another success for the HillHate mob.

[yardwork]

64. Here's her exact words - please explain to me how this is acceptable.

Asked if her continuing fight for the nomination against Senator Obama hurts the Democratic party, Sen. Hillary Clinton replied, "I don't. Because again, I've been around long enough. You know, my husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. You know, I just don't understand it. You know, there's lots of speculation about why it is. “

[MethuenProgressive]

102. Exactly. And the Obama Camp twisted that into "she's talking about BO getting killed!"

And all the fish took the bait.

[JerseygirlCT]

142. The Obama camp didn't do that - anyone watching did that

unless they are so dedicated to their own image of Clinton that she can do no wrong.

Face it - she blew it. Big time. What she said was reckless and hurtful and possibly dangerous. That's not Obama's fault, much as you'd like to believe that everything is.

[Celebration]

221. Obama has no "camp" n/t

[gal]

300. The Obama camp didn't twist anything for me.

I am a big girl and fully capable of making up my own mind. I didn't read about it on their site. As soon as I read it I was disgusted and that was before the Obama camp even had a chance to respond. I have been ticked about her saying this since March.

[JerseygirlCT]

141. Right. Change "was assasinated" to "was still campaigning"

and though it would still bring up hurtful memories, she can make a plausible argument that all she was talking about was June and campaigning.

But she didn't say that. Since when is anyone but the speaker responsible for the words coming from her mouth?

[JerseygirlCT]

139. She brought assasination into it. She didn't need to go there

but she did. No one created this but her.

[TLM]

191. no she said ASSASSINATED in june.

when asked why she's staying in the race, she cited the potential for assassination late in the primary as a reason for staying in the race.

Her words are very clear and she repeated them 2 other times using the assassination reference.

If she was simply referring to his campaign still going on, why not simply say that his campaign was still active in june. Oh because someone might point out that the schedule was different than it is today?

No, she specifically and repeatedly referenced the potential for an assassination, late in the primary, as a reason to stay in the race.

Her people have reiterated the sentiment over and over saying that a "catastrophic event" could befall obama.

That's what Hillary is no hanging her campaign on.... something bad happening to Obama.

[Heather MC]

234. based on your post, it's more like something IS planned in June!

It's clear to me that the Clintons have "something planned" or "had"
I pray daily that No weapon formed against Barack shall prosper.

It's Clear however, that the Clintons have planned otherwise.
If any attempt is made on Barack the Clintons should be proscuted, Particularly if it happens in June or October.

To be such corupt people, they certainly don't lie well anymore

[PurityOfEssence]

110. Here's where your assertion fails:

it's based on the premise that "what she said" is obviously offensive.

All the "how dare she say something like that" outcries seem to spring from the same assumption: that any sane or rational person hearing her comments would see something amiss. Not only do I see nothing hinted or sinister here, when viewing the clip, it sounds like a perfectly conversational listing of two previous campaigns that were still undecided at this point in the year. Admittedly, I prefer long primaries due to their grueling nature that allows the mettle to be tested, but I don't think I would have seen anything arch here if that wasn't a big issue for me. When watching it, I was absolutely astonished that anyone could gin up any bullshit outrage about this at all.

Sure, she should have just said "when he won the California Primary" or something like that, but I simply don't see anything the least bit suggestive about this at all.

Trying to depict her as inciting or threatening bodily harm, on the other hand, is deeply ugly.

This has gone way too far. Each screeching DEMAND for Obama's premature coronation just gets more and more tiresome, and the constant railing about racism and fixing do nothing but turn off more and more of the undecided. This is deplorable. We're playing right into the hands of the stereotyping of Democrats as sniveling children who feel entitled to something, and that's going to hurt us.

[TLM]

194. LOL!!! That was impressive....

really impressive... does your back hurt after that flip and spin?

I saw what she said, and read that she said it twice before.

I love how the hillary followers are the first to claim hillary is somehow unaware of what she's said over and over again... be it her sniper lies or her repeated references to the potential for assassination or catastrophe as a reason for staying in this race.


"Trying to depict her as inciting or threatening bodily harm, on the other hand, is deeply ugly."

Not inciting or threatening... just anticipating as a possibility real enough to justify her remaining in this race.

One need not inflate what she said into a threat... it is plenty sickening enough as what it was, simply another example of clinton's lack of humanity and win at all costs sense of entitlement. She's now staying in the race because something catastrophic might befall Obama.

This wasn't a gaff... she said it three times.

It is a calculated attempt to cast doubt and fear on Obama as a candidate because... hey you never know what could happen to him.

[panader0]

He forced her to say it? How ridiculous LOL

[george_maniakes]

7. First off, like many others have already said, that comparison doesnt even apply.

Rfk winning cali in june in 68 has no comparison to todays contests.

Second, she takes this comparison which doesnt apply, and uses it in a way which obviously stands out as showing a remarkable lack of understanding to obamas situation. Her campaign already distanced itself from similar comments said by one of her supporters.

Its simple: dont talk about people getting assassinated when referencing this damn contest, is that so hard?

[MethuenProgressive]

14. His wife was the first to bring up the chance of him getting shot - not HRC.

Its simple: dont talk about people getting assassinated when referencing this damn contest, is that so hard?

When MO said it on 60 minutes, was she attacked? No.
When HRC cited RFK as an example of races lasting til June, she was - don't you wonder why?

[Tinksrival]

33. She didn't bring it up......

She was asked a sucky msm question. You twist the truth just like your candidate. That really blows.

[dchill]

93. Was "MO" rationalizing staying in until JUNE?

I don't think so. "...don't you wonder why?" It's a massive conspiracy, right?

[JTFrog]

160. She was asked directly about being "worried about some angry person with a gun".

She didn't bring up the subject or invoke assassination.

At this point it's like you all just roll your face over the keyboard and hope for the best.

[AllentownJake]

8. Obama has had a good week

The last thing he wants being talked about is his possible death all weekend.

BTW the good Obama people aren't working on Clinton anymore they are working on McCain. The interns are focusing on Clinton.

[Lugnut]

10. Oh, I don't know.

It soundds Rovian to me.

[book_worm]

11. Can you even acknowledge that she fucked up herself?

[MethuenProgressive]

16. She cited an example of the race lasting til June. Did she say "I hope he's killed'?

Who found that little web interview and twisted it into something to attack her with? Where did this story start? Who played the Obama supporters into a rage? If not the Obama Camp, then who?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

23. what is that strange smell? Ah yes, desperation, self-destruction, and

ruining a the strongest campaign with the most money, from day one.

[book_worm]

25. She could have used many different examples why did she say the word "assassination"

It's all about words. Remember the tizzy regarding the word "bitter" by Obama? which was fanned on DU by you and others who support her. We tried to explain too what he meant and you and others said the words spoke for themselves. Her words speak for themself. She could have used many examples other than RFK's assassination.

[Overseas]

57. Just because Huckabee joked about Obama getting shot at a week earlier

Doesn't mean Hillary should have to restrain her language. I mean gee, he admitted it was a bad joke. Golly, he wouldn't really laugh if Obama got shot at. He was just joking see-- about ducking bullets. And so gosh, no reason the media and the public might be sensitive to such comments. That was a whole week earlier. Maybe even ten whole days. So those reactions of shock to Hillary's casual assassination reference just had to be planted by the O campaign. Yeah, that must be it. Cuz the Huckster misstatement was over a whole week ago.

[SwampG8r]

170. huckabee called obama personally and apologized

showing more class with one phone call than hillary can prove at all

damn hillary enablers have me defending huckabee forgods sake
cant someone please pull their collective plug?

[yardwork]

75. Nobody "played me" into outrage. I read her comments and became outraged all by myself.

Maybe you weren't around in 1968. I was. Bobby Kennedy was the presumptive nominee, emerging from a chaotic early primary season which began when the sitting Democratic president, Johnson, abruptly stated that he would not run for reelection. The Democratic Party was deeply divided. Bobby Kennedy stepped in and won California, making him the frontrunner, giving the party and the country a gleam of hope for a united campaign and united approach to the war in Vietnam. Bobby's brother, the president of the United States, had been assassinated less than five years earlier.

As Bobby was celebrating his victory in California, as the words "and now we're on to Chicago where we'll win there, too!" came from his mouth, he was shot dead.

I was eight years old. That summer...

I can't type any more. I'm sitting her in tears at my keyboard.

If you don't understand how Hillary's words were unforgiveable, you'll never understand.

[MethuenProgressive]

157. Which words? The fake ones put out by Drudge and the NY Post?

She didn't say what they claimed she did. See post #134.

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[gal]

301. Do you honestly think people have to be told what to think?

They are not capable of thinking for themselves?

I think you need to find new friends..

[Tom Rinaldo]

12. Yes it sprang from the air

Her interview was being live streamed on the internet by the South Dakota newspaper. Plenty of people, fairly or unfairly as you may judge that to be, arrived at their emotions perfectly independently.

[habitual]

13. well, there's just one more thing that she has failed on

being careful not to give the other side ammo.

she just cannot be trusted to win for us considering her penchant for giving the other side ammo.

Oh and about O's team being responsible??? Tell me, what responsibility does SHE have to choose her words wisely???? That's right, A LOT.

oh wait, anything that happens to Hillary is someone else's fault, i forgot.

[lisa58]

15. How can it be attributed to Obama's camp?

She said it to an editorial board - she gave it as an example of why she was still in the race.

I understand her clarification and I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt that she was referring to an historical event that occurred during the democratic primary in JUNE of 1968, but the Clinton's have a funny way of making offensive references when they don't have to and still get their point across.

Obama's campaign was far more gracious about this remark than her campaign was about Obama's "bitter" remark.

[MethuenProgressive]

22. Someone, and it wasn't the newspaper, took this and blew it up.

From the smalltown newspaper:

Statement from the Argus Leader

The Argus Leader’s Executive Editor Randell Beck issued the following statement today:

"The context of the question and answer with Sen. Clinton was whether her continued candidacy jeopardized party unity this close to the Democratic convention. Her reference to Mr. Kennedy's assassination appeared to focus on the timeline of his primary candidacy and not the assassination itself."

[lisa58]

36. But why the Obama camp?

If you read the New York Times article, "On the Road: Clinton’s Very Bad Day" it looks like it was The New York Post that started the fray.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/24/on-the-road-clintons-very-bad-day/

At the supermarket, we were ensconced in a café off the deli counter, where many reporters were writing about her denying the overtures while also trying to follow the live stream. Here, too, Internet access was spotty and the stream came over in choppy bursts.
Mrs. Clinton arrived from the newspaper in the midst of this, and began addressing a couple of hundred people who were seated adjacent to us, in the fresh produce section. Then our cell phones and Blackberries went off.

On the other end were editors who had seen a Drudge Report link to a New York Post item online. The Post was not with the traveling press — and apparently had a decent Internet connection.
The initial N.Y. Post item read this way: “She is still in the presidential race, she said today, because historically, it makes no sense to quit, and added that, ‘Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June,’ making an odd comparison between the dead candidate and Barack Obama.”

[MethuenProgressive]

103. Who else but her bitter opponent?

[Arkana]

182. Let me guess--you also blame Obama's campaign for the plague, dry rot,

death, taxes, and all the other ills of the world too, eh?

Kinda like what Republicans used to do with Bill and Hillary.

[lisa58]

261. so you didn't read the article I posted

[Overseas]

78. I mean gee, just because Huckabee joked about dodging bullets a week earlier

That wouldn't lead to reporters picking up on Hillary's comment at all, would it?

[FogerRox]

96. 1968, 13 primaries, NH was in March, now its in January.

For me that kinda makes the timeline story real awkward. Plus Clinton wrapped it up in '92 when Tsongas dropped out, IIRC March, not June.

So compare timelines even though they are different, and the same timelines falls apart under minor examination.

[ErinBerin84]

18. jesus fucking christ

" Karl Rove/Donna Brazile/David Axelrod"


This gets fucking old. It's the conspiracy! It's the conspiracy!


(Plus, seeing as how the editorial newspaper board that she was interviewing with didn't even acknowledge the untruth or challenge the "Bill CLinton didn't get this until June!" bogus argument, but instead said "Yes, JUNE!", I don't really care what they say. Every other outlet has challenged that bit of intellectual dishonesty. George Snuffy said that that logic is "complete silliness" on today's show). I read from someone in SD that the newspaper is creaming in their pants (ok, that's a disgusting expression, but you know what I mean) over the exposure they are getting for this.

Plus, this could have been a weekened when the top story was McCain's health records, Cindy's tax returns, McCain's pastor problems.

[DevonRex]

19. He forced her to say it in Time Magazine. He forced her to say

it at the editorial board meeting. Oh yeah, and all the other times she said it as well.

You should thank your lucky stars that she was given a pass the first gajillion times she said it. Finally everybody had enough. She said it one too many times.

[dcindian]

20. I think Obama used some kind of drug to force Clinton to be an ass.

Yep you heard it hear first. Obama used some kind of drug or mind control in order to force Clinton into becoming the worlds biggest ass. Next he will force her to sleep with every republican in DC to pay back her debts.

[Douglas Carpenter]

24. I heard the story on BBC World Service who picked it up from live online streaming

of the interview. I doubt that the Obama camp arranged for Argus to stream live online an interview with Sen. Clinton to the whole world.

Now this is truly a desperate argument if I ever heard one and rumor mongering in its crudest form:

"we really don't have any evidence - but someone they heard of says it's true. And even if it is probably not true, you can't prove that it is not true. So, let's all act as if it that it might be true."

[quaker bill]

167. The stories I have read

indicate that the Obama camp reacted to the media reports, where they first learned of it. This sort of thing needs no promotion. In fact, it would be difficult to promote in a way that would gain it any more coverage than it would get left entirely alone. So, why would they waste their time trying? There is nothing to be gained by attempts at promotion

[sellitman]

26. You are one twisted MFer.

Obama was gracious and let Hillary off the hook.

You on the other hand cannot admit your candidate at the very least made a gaffe of epic proportions.

[cali]

27. Deluded. So poor hillykins is being victimized again.

more whining bullshit. hillykins fucked up. More than once.

[NeedleCast]

28. I'll Give You Credit

You sure are single minded in your zealotry.

AssassinationGate sprang from none other than your precious Hillary. She said the words, in front of a crowd of media. You don't have to look any further than Hillary to find the "source" of the tempest.

[ruby slippers]

29. let;s see....

Hillary talks about it in January with the A word.

Hillary repeats in in May, again with the A word.

Hillary alludes to it a few other times, but doesn't use the A word.

Hillary talks about shooting guns as a young girl in PA. Barack calls her "Annie Oakley".

Hillary is fixated on "sniper fire" in Bosnia and has total relapse of memory but perhaps her Id is speaking?

Mike Huckabee jokes about it on camera recently refreshing Hillary's memory.

I could add more but I think you can see it wasn't a one-slip-of-the-tongue gaffe. There is subliminal intent and multiple comment.

[Robyn66]

30. Of course it COULDN'T be Hillary's fault

This is the kind of blindness that frankly, amazes me! Its fanatical devotion like this that makes people blow themselves up in market places in the middle east. Wake UP!!! SHE SAID IT! It was a mistake but guess what, she deserves what she has coming to her. Karma is a bitch!

[Occam Bandage]

31. I used to imagine you laughing as you typed.

Now? I'm more starting to imagine spittle landing on the keyboard.

[here_is_to_hope]

37. Scary, aint it?

I just dont get it any more...:scared:

[Ichingcarpenter]

122. You should see the Key Board...... Photo

[Lone_Star_Dem]

34. The "it was propelled and promoted" argument is not one you'll be seeing the Hillary camp touch

The last thing they want associated with this the idea that they propelled and promoted the talking point considering her history of using it.

TIME (March 6th): Can you envision a point at which--if the race stays this close--Democratic Party elders would step in and say, "This is now hurting the party and whoever will be the nominee in the fall"?

CLINTON: No, I really can't. I think people have short memories. Primary contests used to last a lot longer. We all remember the great tragedy of Bobby Kennedy being assassinated in June in L.A. My husband didn't wrap up the nomination in 1992 until June. Having a primary contest go through June is nothing particularly unusual.

http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/05/hillarys_bizarre_rfk_comment.html


Sioux Falls Argus-Leader's editorial board (May, 23rd): Q: You don't buy the party unity argument?

CLINTON: My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it," she said, dismissing calls to drop out.

[kwenu]

35. No. And this post just makes your side look disingenuous. Was there a Hillary double on that video?

[stray cat]

38. I think it might have been because Hillary said it and it was recorded by newsman?

[Warren Stupidity]

55. don't be silly

[Swamp Rat]

39. LOLOL!!!!!

:rofl:

You never cease to amuse. :D

[OzarkDem]

40. I heard it was Pelosi's office

probably under direction of Axelrod.

What a disgraceful, nasty, crooked man. Why does he hate the Democratic Party?

[Lone_Star_Dem]

41. I knew you had a sense of humor!

:D :rofl:

[Terran]

61. Oooo really?

Where exactly did you hear that? On Rush?

[OzarkDem]

83. Inner circle DC rumor mill

Can't say.

Also heard the rumors about Clinton in VP talks with Obama also originated in Pelosi's office.

Good old "job security" Nancy. Prepared to let Dems lose the WH in order to keep a Dem majority in Congress.

[bvar22]

67. HELP!!!

Another Hillbot has fallen in the shit, and can't get up!

Like the OP, you no longer even try to hide the fact that you're just making shit up.

[OzarkDem]

84. Obviously I've hit a nerve

so it must be true. :rofl: :evilgrin:


Welcome to DU. Tell Nancy I said go to hell.

[Gore1FL]

94. Why would Hillary take part in a plan to make herself look like an idiot?

please bridge that gap for me.

[4_Legs_Good]

42. He passed her a note and asked her to read it on the air

Of course he did.

LMAO. This is the most rediculous thing I've heard.

David

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

43. Obama: "Hillary, please insert foot in mouth." Hillary: "OK."

Hillaryites: The evil Vast Left Wing Conspiracy cause Hillary to say something stupid.

[Skip Intro]

44. Now now, don't rain on the Outrage Parade. (I've no doubt you are right, of course. K&R.)

[lisa58]

58. It was the New York Post...

...At the supermarket, we were ensconced in a café off the deli counter, where many reporters were writing about her denying the overtures while also trying to follow the live stream. Here, too, Internet access was spotty and the stream came over in choppy bursts.
Mrs. Clinton arrived from the newspaper in the midst of this, and began addressing a couple of hundred people who were seated adjacent to us, in the fresh produce section. Then our cell phones and Blackberries went off.
On the other end were editors who had seen a Drudge Report link to a New York Post item online. The Post was not with the traveling press — and apparently had a decent Internet connection.
The initial N.Y. Post item read this way: “She is still in the presidential race, she said today, because historically, it makes no sense to quit, and added that, ‘Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June,’ making an odd comparison between the dead candidate and Barack Obama.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/24/on-the-road-clintons-very-bad-day/

[MethuenProgressive]

106. "Then our cell phones and Blackberries went off."

Who in the Obama Camp was making those calls?

[PermanentRevolution]

120. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit, is it?

The VERY NEXT LINE:

"On the other end were editors who had seen a Drudge Report link to a New York Post item online."

So... nobody in the Obama Camp was making those calls. Editors were making those calls. It's tricky, I know, but you can decipher this cryptic riddle by paying attention to how it says "On the other end were editors..."

[lisa58]

262. thanks

[MethuenProgressive]

105. Just looking for the source of "let's get people outraged!" plot...

[TLM]

198. Because it has to be a plot right....

people couldn't be genuinely offended by one candidate citing the potential for assassination as a reason for remaining in the primary.


Fact is, if obama said this exact thing... the hill followers would be screaming that he's inciting murderous attacks on her in june.

[Dinger]

45. Kick For The AM Crowd (nt)

[earth mom]

46. NO doubt. nt

[lojasmo]

48. You Hillarites are all fucking nuts.

I am through playing your idiotic games. My days of tongue holding are through.

Get a life. Face reality. She lost.

[BlueJac]

50. It is very clear.......

Hillary supports can not see her arrogance, blame anyone but me.

[joeybee12]

51. Obama was looking for a way to say no to her as VP...

...and now he's got it. If he were truly outraged, he would have been outraged when she first said this to Time magazine, and not now.

[ProSense]

52. Didn't you refer to

this OP as "rabble rousing flame bait" by claiming that this was omitted from the excerpt of the article linked to:

Obama has not called for Clinton to drop out of the race and has been careful to avoid alienating her supporters.

Pretty clear who is rabble rousing.

[hokies4ever]

53. How dare Axelrod hack into her campaign

and give her these horrible talking points. :rofl:

[americanstranger]

112. Worse than that - he hacked into her BRAIN!!!

And he forced her by mind control to say what she said.

David Axelrod is an evil, evil man who can hack into people's brainses.

- as

[hokies4ever]

54. How dare Axelrod hack into her campaign

and give her these horrible talking points. :rofl:

[Warren Stupidity]

56. Have you clowns figured out that you are a joke at this point?

[totodeinhere]

59. My God, when is this ever going to be over so we don't have to see nonsense like this?

[joeybee12]

62. Try November...when McLame wins...n/t

He's just reacting to the nonsense...and how come it's nonsense when it's true?

[Forkboy]

60. Seek immediate help.

[smoogatz]

63. Hillary's in the Obama camp?!?!?!

Holy shit. I've got to start paying closer attention.

Oh, and it's not so much that she wants him dead—but she is sticking around, you know, just in case something (God forbid!) should happen to him. Nothing wrong with that, right? That's just hard-nosed politics!

Jeebus.

[Phx_Dem]

65. You might consider checking the facts

before spouting off misinformation. A reporter traveling with the Clinton campaign on Friday detailed the unfolding of the day's events (see below). The comments were picked up via Internet feed by the NY Post, who posted it online. The Drudge Report was first to seize on the NY Post's report. From there, it was picked up around the country and across the "pond."

The Obama camp's response was understated compared to the Clinton camp's response to Rev. Wright, where Hillary brought it up at every opportunity. Then came "bittergate" where Hillary, herself, called Obama out of touch and elitist, throwing fuel on the fire -- just to make sure it was burning hot enough. That was not enough for the Clinton camp. They proceeded to outfit their staff and supporters with "I'm not Bitter" t-shirts. Real classy. http://xpostfactoid.blogspot.com/2008/05/obama-does-it-with-integrity.html

But hey, don't let the facts get your way.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/24/on-the-road-clintons-very-bad-day/

Her interview began while we were on the bus, but Internet access was so poor, we could only pick up bits of her comments intermittently. We did hear her bat back reports that her campaign had made overtures to Senator Barack Obama’s campaign about some kind of deal for her to exit the race.

At the supermarket, we were ensconced in a café off the deli counter, where many reporters were writing about her denying the overtures while also trying to follow the live stream. Here, too, Internet access was spotty and the stream came over in choppy bursts.

Mrs. Clinton arrived from the newspaper in the midst of this, and began addressing a couple of hundred people who were seated adjacent to us, in the fresh produce section. Then our cell phones and Blackberries went off.
On the other end were editors who had seen a Drudge Report link to a New York Post item online. The Post was not with the traveling press — and apparently had a decent Internet connection.

[yardwork]

85. Thank you for posting this.

[skipos]

99. Facts NEVER get in the way of Methuenprogressive.

NEVER.

[intaglio]

66. Some people are pointing the finger at Drudge

So of course you are going to blame the Obama Campaign - now go and get another TP from Hillary is 44

[blogslut]

69. It came sfrom the New York Post

...via a live feed of her appearance before the editorial board of the Sioux Falls Argus Leader.

The Post started this "tempest-in-a-teapot". Sorry, the truth is so hard to believe.

[Canuckistanian]

70. Is this some new form of sarcasm?

It must be, because I don't quite get the point of it.

[candice]

71. It's from Drudge, as RFK, Jr. has said he's heard Hillary

...mention how primaries go on into June...but those weren't years in which there was a power struggle within the Democratic Party.

[MethuenProgressive]

98. "Drudge," eh?

O.K.

[CreekDog]

72. but you've been saying there's nothing wrong with the statement

:rofl:

you spin so hard you should be dizzy.

[merh]

74. If I say to you, "HRC should be careful

look what happened to Bhutto", wouldn't you be upset with me?

It is a statement based upon facts dealing with elections and women running for office, it is a comment based in reality, yet saying it is sort of ominous.

Your lack of understanding why Obama supporters and others find her comments offensive does not make the comment less offensive, it just means you lack empathy.

[Richard Steele]

76. That's delusional enough to make me feel a little sad for you. nm

[cliffordu]

77. You could catch a lot of cod with that net.....

[jefferson_dem]

79. Poor wittle hi-wa-wee...

A victim of the Vast Obama Camp Conspiracy. :cry:

[CakeGrrl]

80. Wow. The defenses of Hillary Clinton are as delusional as she herself. Unbelievable.

Next, they'll be saying that David Axelrod has a mind control device that's making her say every negative thing about Obama so people have an excuse to attack. It's one step away.

This is some crazy shit.

[indimuse]

158. The accusation is Desperate!

Obama's campaign is the most disturbing group of politicians I've seen in a long time. This is off the charts!

[Celebration]

81. Yeah sure

Obama had mind control over Hillary and made her say that. It was all planned by Axelrod.

[dchill]

86. I think you're just hungry...

for pizza. "It was propelled and promoted." - by EVERYBODY.

[Radical Activist]

90. Blaming the victim again.

True, it didn't come for the air. It came from her mouth.

[JackORoses]

91. Hillary babbles about Assassination and you blame Obama?

What a Maroon!

[Lisa0825]

92. Come on people... don't take the bait.

You know it's futile to argue with this poster.

[smiley_glad_hands]

95. Hilliary screws up and you blame Obama? That's pathetic. eom

[Window]

97. Oh, get real man.

:thumbsdown:

[cbc5g]

104. Just because your candidate plays shitty politics doesnt mean you have to project it on Obama's n/t

[backscatter712]

107. LET IT SINK!

Let this crap sink, and let Shrillary's paid trolls sink.

[RichardRay]

108. Very silly...

That is probably one of the silliest things I have ever seen posted on GD:P.

And, god knows, that makes it pretty silly.

[dana_b]

109. wtf are you talking about??

The Obama camp made her say such a stupid, insensitive thing? Was Axelrod in the room holding a gun to her head?? :crazy:

[americanstranger]

111. BWAHAHAHA!!!

You really do live in an alternate universe, don't you?

- as

[LittleBlue]

113. Why do you open yourself to such mockery?

That video was hitting the wires live. Obama's people probably saw the video on the news like the rest of us, unless you believe the editorial board was colluding with Obama's campaign. :crazy:

[Mooney]

114. She said it herself, on camera, to a news media outlet.

I can't believe this is even a discussion. The is 100% a self-inflicted wound. Is it really that impossible to concede that she fucked this one up all on her own?

[MethuenProgressive]

178. She did NOT say "I'm hoping something bad happens" that's BS.

And that BS is what the Obama Camp is pushing

[Mooney]

196. You think everyone who saw this as a gaffe is in the Obama camp?

She fucked up. All by herself.

I mean, come on, you honestly need this explained to you?

[TLM]

200. No, she just said she is staying in the race because something bad might happen....

Her words are clear, and your spin won't change them.

[MethuenProgressive]

215. Why repeat debunked rumors? Her quote proves you wrong.

Everyone: MSNBC, Politic, CNN, The Obama Camp, etc are backing away from the Drudge story.
Didn't you get the memo?

[Blue_Roses]

117. what a dumb thing to say...

hopelessly desperate...:crazy:

[cosmicsheep]

118. You have made the most ridiculous comment I have read today.

You have a future in politics! At least if HillBilly wins!

[MethuenProgressive]

119. You should read more. The HillHaters are saying 'June' is racist code for 'hope he's taken out'

Welcome to DU.

[TLM]

202. Really care to cite a link?

" The HillHaters are saying 'June' is racist code for 'hope he's taken out'"

Quote one person who has said this.

I can quote Hillary...

"We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California."

Tell me something here... do you think people got the idea she was referencing assassination from the "june" part or perhaps from the 'ASSASSINATED" part?


She's saying, clearly, she's going to stay in the race because races have been ended by assassinations before... and you never know what might happen to Obama.

[golddigger]

126. Especially since this is your first day at DU.

:evilgrin:

[HuffleClaw]

127. it was very clearly manufactured

like all such faux outrage things are

[Garbo 2004]

128. The source was a live net feed of the Clinton interview in real time viewed by media.

NY Post posted online article about it (writing that Clinton had made "an odd comparison between the dead candidate and Barack Obama"), Drudge headlined the NY Post article on his site & other media picked it up from seeing Drudge's site.

Read how the press traveling with Clinton got calls from their editors shortly after the story headlined on Drudge, an excerpt from NYT reporter traveling with Clinton:

Mrs. Clinton had three events. First was a meeting with the editorial board of the Sioux Falls Argus Leader, which was live-streaming the interview, something a few newspapers just started doing in this election cycle.

The press corps, meanwhile, was on a bus from the airport to Brandon, a few miles away, to set up for her second event at a supermarket. (The media are sometimes in a different place from the candidate, usually when the event is private or small.)

Her interview began while we were on the bus, but Internet access was so poor, we could only pick up bits of her comments intermittently. We did hear her bat back reports that her campaign had made overtures to Senator Barack Obama’s campaign about some kind of deal for her to exit the race.

At the supermarket, we were ensconced in a café off the deli counter, where many reporters were writing about her denying the overtures while also trying to follow the live stream. Here, too, Internet access was spotty and the stream came over in choppy bursts.

Mrs. Clinton arrived from the newspaper in the midst of this, and began addressing a couple of hundred people who were seated adjacent to us, in the fresh produce section. Then our cell phones and Blackberries went off.

On the other end were editors who had seen a Drudge Report link to a New York Post item online. The Post was not with the traveling press — and apparently had a decent Internet connection.

The initial N.Y. Post item read this way: “She is still in the presidential race, she said today, because historically, it makes no sense to quit, and added that, ‘Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June,’ making an odd comparison between the dead candidate and Barack Obama.”

Mrs. Clinton did not make that comparison. Here’s the video and here’s the transcript from the paper’s Web site, though it is not complete.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/

It's the internet age and the newspaper was live streaming the interview. Clinton's comments were fed to the media by herself at the interview. Ironically it was Murdoch's NY Post and Drudge, who the Clinton campaign had previously cozied up to, who gave the story prominence in the media.

[MethuenProgressive]

134. From Murdoch's NY Post and Drudge straight to DU's greatest page.

The initial N.Y. Post item read this way: “She is still in the presidential race, she said today, because historically, it makes no sense to quit, and added that, ‘Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June,’ making an odd comparison between the dead candidate and Barack Obama.”

Mrs. Clinton did not make that comparison.

That's how Swiftboating is done, folks.

[Garbo 2004]

146. Which is why Clinton campaign's wooing of Murdoch, Drudge & lauding Faux News as "fair"

and a credible news source has been a two edged sword. They're ready and quite willing to turn against Clinton whenever it suits them. Murdoch and Drudge are not friends to Democratic (and democratic) interests.

[Bluerthanblue]

130. no it didn't just "spring from thin air" it sprang from your candidate's lips-

and mind.

Some day you are going to have to face reality.
Your candidate lost the primary, in great measure by her own foolish words and actions.

peace~

[MethuenProgressive]

136. She said "June" and gave examples of races going into June. The spin came from... where?

ccording to the BO followers responses it came from Drudege and the NY Post - as a lie.
She never said what Drudge and the Post reported her as saying.
You've been played.

The initial N.Y. Post item read this way: “She is still in the presidential race, she said today, because historically, it makes no sense to quit, and added that, ‘Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June,’ making an odd comparison between the dead candidate and Barack Obama.”

Mrs. Clinton did not make that comparison.

[Bluerthanblue]

144. the races that went into June began in MARCH-

She hasn't got a chance- and everyone in her campaign knows it- she is unable to face her ugly reality.

I haven't been played- She's played out- and you are either in deep denial- or disengenous.

:shrug:

peace~

[Name removed]

147. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[TLM]

201. Did she or did she not use the term assassinated?

You seem to be trying to avoid the fact she said this in your spin.... obviously you know she fucked up.

why not post her full quote?

Unless it hurts your deflection and spin?

[jillan]

133. George Steph called them out on it when interviewing Axelrod.

He brought up the fact that the Obama camp has been circulating KO's ranting.


Axelrod quickly changed the subject....

[MethuenProgressive]

148. Stephie is embarrassed that the MSM got caught up in the fake rage.

[VotesForWomen]

137. the MSM enabled the faux outrage because the want O to be the nom; they want clinton gone as soon as

possible, so they can unload on O and completely 'frame' him by GE time.

[JerseygirlCT]

138. Oh please

We all watched what she said. No twisting needed: there she was, saying exactly what she said.

This didn't spring from thin air - you're right about that. It sprung from the mouth of Clinton, and that is the ONLY place. She's responsible for the mess she's in - no one else. And typically, she'll probably try to make it seem that something has been done to her, that it's not her fault, it's ____________'s fault.

Terrible character flaw of hers, IMO. Take real responsibility, Hillary. Own up to your huge, hurtful, stupid gaffe. Apologize sincerely for what YOU did. And maybe some of us can move on. If you're lucky.

[Johnny__Motown]

140. It sprung from Hillary's mouth... if a freaking handshake at the SOTU can take on a life of it's own

then so can this

[MethuenProgressive]

149. This is the Obama Camp's revenge for HandshakeGate?

O.K.

[johnaries]

143. Wait! I don't have my tinfoil hat on!

:tinfoilhat: Ah, much better. Now, you were saying?

[Crunchy Frog]

145. What, Obama was in control of Hillary's mouth? Oh the fiendishness!

[MethuenProgressive]

150. She never said "I'm staying in in case BO gets assasinated," did she?

The Obama Camp spun it out that way to Drudge and the NY Post.

[Tellurian]

151. The Obama Camp had to do something..

Hillary trashed him the last 3 elections!

:rofl:

[TLM]

204. Yeah that is what she said... rather clearly.

Sioux Falls Argus-Leader's editorial board (May, 23rd): Q: You don't buy the party unity argument?

CLINTON: My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it," she said, dismissing calls to drop out.


She will stay in the race because you never know... other primary candidates for change have been shot late in the primary.

[apocalypsehow]

208. That is precisely what she implied with her hateful dog-whistling - and trying to explain

and excuse it away will not change that irrefutable fact.

[sueragingroz]

152. Here's what I don't understand

Why is everyone in such a rush to push her out unless she's got a real chance to take the nomination?

If she had no hope of winning, Obama could politely tolerate her like McCain did with Huckabee and Paul...

Me thinks the Obama campaign protests to much...


but then that's not new.

All you have to say is "I don't agree with Obama on - " to be dismissed as a knuckle dragging racist.

That may work with guilty liberals but trust me, it ain't gonna work in the GE.

[Tellurian]

153. From what I understand...Obama only WINS if his opponent withdraws..

from the race. Nice, having a default winner for the president of the USofA!

He's pushed every other opponent out of the race...

[MethuenProgressive]

155. I recommend this post!

:thumbsup:

[indimuse]

154. K& BIG REC!

When ever the polls head south on BO...OUT comes Something "Horrendous " about Hillary. The patter is WORN OUT! So Bush/Rovian...for sure.

[Tellurian]

163. Yup, Obama wasn't going to bother with PR.. (so he said)

and campaigned there on Sat..

[mcctatas]

159. What, he writes her speeches and whispers conrols her speech

now? Please, that is silly even for you! :puke:

[MethuenProgressive]

162. She says "races last til June" and Drudge spins it into "she wants him dead"

Who told Drudge that was the thing to do?

[mcctatas]

171. ....

:rofl:

[reflection]

206. Rove also stole my lawn mower.

My right wing neighbor insists it was raptured but I'm pretty sure Rove absconded with it.

[mcctatas]

224. You're RW neighbor is just bitter...

the mower got raptured and he/she's still here;)

[barack the house]

165. However you cut it, it was still inappropriate considering Ted's condition.

[Tellurian]

176. Hillary has used the reference for the last several months..

But because Obama has done poorly in the last three primaries he needed to smear Hillary in hopes of doing a bit better in PR.. Thats All!

[papapi]

166. Puhleeze. Could you put a little more spin on this. Maybe it'll fly off....

....into outer space.

[AntiFascist]

168. Oh Please!

Hillary did this to herself. Karma.

[MethuenProgressive]

186. Since you said 'Please"

see post #184

[Why Syzygy]

169. Fail. It started on Drudge and the NY Post.

Obama's campaign made one benign statement.

[MethuenProgressive]

173. And they gave false information, inciting outrage.

[Why Syzygy]

174. Fail. "unfortunate" and "have no place" . hardly inciting

I was ticked off before I even read the Obama campaign statement. Fail. Fail. Fail.

[TLM]

205. was this false info....

Sioux Falls Argus-Leader's editorial board (May, 23rd): Q: You don't buy the party unity argument?

CLINTON: My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it," she said, dismissing calls to drop out.

[Marie26]

303. No, that's not how it works

The Obama campaign has used Drudge before to hurt the Clinton camapaign - remember that leaked photo of Bill Clinton & Rezko on Drudge's site? Murdoch's NY Post endorsed Obama & has contact w/the Obama campaign. Most reporters couldn't get the web-stream to work, (as I couldn't), and didn't get to see the quote at all first hand - but the NY Post headline was splashed on the front page within an hour of the interview, & that's what the other news agencies picked up on. If this story was so explosive, why wasn't it covered immediately by the NY Times, AP, or the SD newspaper itself, etc? Why did it only break in Drudge & the NY Post? Because that's where the Obama campaign sent the memo highlighting & spinning the exposive revelation. Once it's in the NY Post, the rest of the media can jump on it, all w/o ever knowing that the story originated w/Obama campaign. Keith Olbermann gets his rant on, and the campaign mails that to other media agencies to keep the story churning. But Obama himself says "move on", which makes him look gracious & above it all.

They couldn't have done it if HRC hadn't made the gaffe, & it was tastless to bring it up. But the Obama campaign made the most of it, & timed it to stop the media stories about HRC as a possible vice-president. Axelrod is a political genius that way. Clinton is like a tired boxer that keeps punching away, more often hurting herself than the oppponent. But the Obama campaign uses political kung-fu - the opponent doesn't know where the hit is coming from, but w/one well-timed jab, he's down for the count.

[intaglio]

172. Let us see if there is any logic in MP's idea

Known

1 This, so called, tempest in a teapot has done more harm to Hillary than "Bittergate" and "Wright" did to Obama

2 Sen. Clinton has made this statement before

3 Additionally McAuliffe has made statements about extreme events removing Sen. Obama from the race

4 Both campaigns will have a dedicated staff watching and listening to the other Candidate and thatCandidate's senior staffers for any surprises so that their candidate can respond rapidly if needed, or statements that the campaign wishes to use against the other Candidate

Corollary - If MethuenProgressive is correct then Sen. Obama and his campaign knew about the earlier references but decided not to use this information despite the instant boost to his campaign it would have provided and the damage it would have done to Sen. Clinton. That they did not do so implies that the Obama Campaign knew that Sen. Clinton would repeat this statement. Because it is fairly certain that neither Sen. Obama nor any member of his staff is precognicent it becomes certain that the Obama campaign did not wish to use such foolish words against Sen. Clinton

1 This, so called, tempest in a teapot has done more harm to Hillary than "Bittergate" and "Wright" did to Obama

2 Sen. Obama's campaign did not know of or did not hear the prior comments by the Sen. Clinton and her team

3 Internet reception locally was patchy - which is why the journalists following the story locally had to be contacted by their editors when Drudge and the Post broke the story

4 Sen. Obama's campaign has a fine internet connection

Corollary - The Obama campaign must have known about the poor reception that the on-site journalists had and relied on that to "muddy the waters" so stopping the "reality" being reported back. This implies clairvoyance (in the original sense) on the part of the Obama Campaign. It also implies that the Obama campaign is incompetant in it's monitoring of Sen. Clinton and her team

It is pretty clear that these two scenarios are cut to ribbons by Occam's Razor because it involves the unnecessary multiplication of entities to assign the reporting of this foolish statement to the Obama Campaign

Now let us try another progression:

1 This, so called, tempest in a teapot has done more harm to Hillary than "Bittergate" and "Wright" did to Obama

2 Sen. Clinton has made this statement before

3 Additionally McAuliffe has made statements about extreme events removing Sen. Obama from the race

4 Both campaigns will have a dedicated staff watching and listening to the other Candidate and thatCandidate's senior staffers for any surprises so that their candidate can respond rapidly if needed, or statements that the campaign wishes to use against the other Candidate

Corollary 1 - The Obama campaign did not wish to use this statement against Sen. Clinton

5 Internet reception locally was patchy - which is why the journalists following the story locally had to be contacted by their editors when Drudge and the Post broke the story

6 Sen. Obama's campaign has a fine internet connection

7 Matt Drudge has an excellent internet connection

8 The New York Post has an excellent internet connection

But Corollary 1 says that the Obama Campaign has no interest in spreading the story therefore either one of the other two agencies could have promulgated the story. Neither of these agencies would have had a real interest in opening the story until the news of Sen Kennedy's illness "hit the wires"

Therefore Corollary 2 the New York Post or Matt Drudge broke the story

Supporting this is fact 9; - The Obama campaign did not have a ready quotation to give to the reporters covering this story which is what would have happened if they had been the ones spreading the story

[MethuenProgressive]

179. "This thing didn't spring from thin air. It was propelled and promoted."

Thanks to all who helped confirm.

[Arkana]

181. Oh, Good GOD.

You people are so far in denial that you must be inhaling paint fumes to enhance the situation.

News flash: Obama didn't make her say those things, and he did not crucify her like she did him over "Bittergate". In fact, HE EMPATHIZED WITH HER. Read his official statement on the matter. Some of his SUPPORTERS may have taken it a step too far, but Obama and his campaign have not. Learn the distinction.

For the love of God, do you people have no sense of reason LEFT?

[MethuenProgressive]

183. "Obama didn't make her say those things" She never said "I'm staying in in case he dies"

She said the races have lasted til June, and gave examples.
Someone pushed this to Drudge and the NY Post, who published fake quotes generating 'outrage'
When the real vid was posted it was clear she NEVER said anything about BO being assassinated.

[Arkana]

185. Never mind that you have zero proof that Obama's campaign pushed this at all.

Just shooting first and asking questions later?

Look, I have already accepted the fact that Hillary never meant to imply that she wanted Obama killed. She's tactless, pushy, and arrogant, but that's descriptive of most politicians--she's certainly not sociopathic or homicidal. No one should honestly believe she's hoping for Obama's death.

But she should have known better than to phrase what she said the way she did--and she betrayed an astounding lack of judgment in not considering how her remarks could be interpreted. If the example of "primaries that go till June" was her intent, she should have phrased it "The 1968 primary went till June between Bobby Kennedy and Hubert Humphrey".

It was a poor choice of an example and she used it in a completely boneheaded way. Accept this and move on.

[MethuenProgressive]

187. See post #184

[MethuenProgressive]

259. Obama Campaign Passing Around Olbermann Special Comment!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x137979

[rodeodance]

263. **HERE IS PROOF--OBAMA CAMP MAILING ko TRANSCRIPTS***

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/25/clinton-defends-rfk-remarks /

"In addition, the Obama campaign sent the entire political press corps the transcript of a searing commentary about Mrs. Clinton by Keith Olbermann on MSNBC.

George Stephanopoulos, the host of ABC’s “This Week,” asked David Axelrod, Mr. Obama’s top strategist, about the e-mail:

Mr. Stephanopoulos: You say you’re not trying to stir the issue up. But a member of your press staff yesterday was sending around to an entire press list — I have the e-mail here — Keith Olbermann’s searing commentary against Hillary Clinton. So that is stirring this up, isn’t it?”

Mr. Axelrod: “Well, Mr. Olbermann did his commentary and he had his opinion. But as far as we’re concerned.”
Mr. Stephanopoulos: “But your campaign was sending it around.”
Mr. Axelrod: “As far as we’re concerned, George, as far as we’re concerned, this issue is done. It was an unfortunate statement, as we said, as she’s acknowledged. She has apologized. The apology, you know, is accepted. Let’s move forward.”
Mr. Axelrod: “There’s so many important things going on in this country right n

[MethuenProgressive]

281. We all knew, ever The Followers, that the Obama Camp was behind this "news" story.

Good link, thanks!

[TLM]

207. was this a fake quote....

Sioux Falls Argus-Leader's editorial board (May, 23rd): Q: You don't buy the party unity argument?

CLINTON: My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it," she said, dismissing calls to drop out.

[Celebration]

222. The California primary was in June in 1968

She is intelligent enough to know that the 1968 timeline of the primaries is entirely different from 2008. Or is she? This is in no way comparable, and giving that example as a reason to stay in because it was June MAKES NO SENSE.

The only reference that makes sense is that she wants to be waiting in the wings if the unthinkable (not unthinkable to her apparently) happens.

[MethuenProgressive]

184. A "Must Read" for all who were taken in by the Obama Camp's ploy:

Media hype: How small stories become big news

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10604.html

It would be a big story if Clinton said something like this: “Hey, I know it looks bad for me now. But, think about it. Obama could get shot and I’d get to be the nominee after all.”

It is a small story if Clinton said something like this: “Everyone talks like May is incredibly late, but by historical standards it is not. Think of all the famous milestones in presidential races that have taken place during June.”

It seems pretty obvious that the latter is what Clinton meant, and not too far from what she actually said. It was not surprising that the Argus Leader’s executive editor, Randall Beck, put out a statement saying, “Her reference to Mr. Kennedy’s assassination appeared to focus on the time line of his primary candidacy and not the assassination itself.”

[Arkana]

189. Nice try.

This is the only reference to Obama's campaign:

"I urged Martin to keep his foot on the gas: Be the first to post reaction from the Obama campaign. Obama spokesman Bill Burton quickly obliged, denouncing Clinton’s comments and saying such sentiments have “no place in this campaign.” Burton’s comments quickly went into Martin’s blog post. Soon enough, several websites and cable news outlets were giving the story trumpet-blaring treatment."

And Bill Burton was right. Senator Clinton's comments were "unfortunate", and she should not have used the 1968 primary the way she did.

You have one SLIGHTLY inflammatory response from ONE spokesman, and even afterwards the candidate himself said that he empathized with Hillary Clinton for a simple gaffe on the campaign trail. Obama knew exactly what Hillary was trying to say and he said so.

Nevertheless, her remarks demonstrate a lack of tact and poor judgment for not only phrasing her answer the way she did, but for her pathetic non-apology afterwards.

I also find it quite funny that you most likely saw no problem with the media blowup over "Bittergate", but when it's your candidate it's off limits.

[AntiFascist]

195. You're digging yourself deeper...

who would consider an assassination a 'milestone'? Milstones usually denote progress toward some goal, as in part of a plan. Please stop before you get buried.

[MethuenProgressive]

199. By posting the Politico story about how they, like you, were taken in by the hype?

At least they admit it.

[TLM]

209. Was this hype....

Sioux Falls Argus-Leader's editorial board (May, 23rd): Q: You don't buy the party unity argument?

CLINTON: My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it," she said, dismissing calls to drop out.



Those are her words... not anybody else's.

She cited the potential for assassination late in the primary as a reason for her to stay in the race.

It is right there in black and white.

There is video of her saying this, transcripts, and she's said it previously.

It was no gaff, no misspeaking, no accident. She's making a calculated effort to cast doubt and fear over Obama's campaign by referencing the possibility of assassination late in a primary.

It is crass and disgusting.

[MethuenProgressive]

213. Keep trying. Maybe someone other than a rabid HillHater will buy what you're selling.

No rational being (the paper's editor, RFK Jr, Barack Obama, etc) thinks in the same distorted way that you claim to think.

[AntiFascist]

223. Oh believe me, as soon as I heard the word "assassination"....

I logged onto DU and began posting, all before the 'hype'. I knew that she had tried this before, and enough was enough.

[MethuenProgressive]

226. Which is odd, because she never said the word "assassination"

Not odd, is that you would've "logged onto DU and began posting" without knowing the facts involved.

[AntiFascist]

278. I heard the videoclip of her referencing RFK's assassination in June....

my immediate reaction was: "why does her campaign keep bringing this up, even if just as an example of a Democrat who happened to campaign up through June"? It's as simple as that.

[havocmom]

188. So that was someone in a Hillary mask mouthing off?

That McAuliffe, such a kidder, and so busy, going to all those shows mouthing off the same premise.

Jesus, get to some CODA meetings and stop making excuses. The whole world say her say it. Everybody GOT it. She is a vulture. Nobody in the Obama campaign did that to her.

[MethuenProgressive]

190. See post #184. You've been had.

With your pants on...

[hendo]

192. The video speaks for itself n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

193. Absolutely. And as the editor there in person says:

It was not surprising that the Argus Leader’s executive editor, Randall Beck, put out a statement saying, “Her reference to Mr. Kennedy’s assassination appeared to focus on the time line of his primary candidacy and not the assassination itself.”

[Name removed]

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[hendo]

212. one man's opinion.

and you know what they say about opinions, right?

[MethuenProgressive]

227. Yeah, the opinion of the editor who interviewed her in person - not Drudge's fake quote.

Facts keep screwing with this Obama Camp attack.

[jonestonesusa]

203. Why bother with evidence?

Make things up - you and the Clintons are in good company.

[stevietheman]

211. Enough. n/t

n/t

[rucky]

216. Crap-peddlers hate competition. n/t

[JerseygirlCT]

219. Boy, he's powerful!

He can make Clinton say unspeakably stupid and hurtful things on camera like that? Amazing, really.

I think in your zest for supporting your candidate at all costs you're forgetting that this time, it's on tape. We can all watch her speak, hear her words, and judge for ourselves her intent. Likewise her milquetoast "apology" - there it was, on camera.

I don't need anyone to tell me what to think, thanks. I'm perfectly capable of making that judgement on my own, based on... wait for it... direct evidence.

[highplainsdem]

220. Lynn Sweet just did on MSNBC -- pointed out that the Obama campaign "magnified" it.

And as has already been mentioned here, the George Stephanopoulos questions that Axelrod had to dodge yesterday highlighted the campaign's hypocrisy and dishonesty, the conflict between Obama's personal statement and Axelrod saying it's time to move on, and their sending out Olbermann's rant.

[MethuenProgressive]

225. I recommend this post

:dem:

[rodeodance]

228. Here: The Obama camp emails K. Olbermann's comments to the PRESS!!:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/25/clinton-defends-rfk-remarks/

"In addition, the Obama campaign sent the entire political press corps the transcript of a searing commentary about Mrs. Clinton by Keith Olbermann on MSNBC.

George Stephanopoulos, the host of ABC’s “This Week,” asked David Axelrod, Mr. Obama’s top strategist, about the e-mail:

Mr. Stephanopoulos: You say you’re not trying to stir the issue up. But a member of your press staff yesterday was sending around to an entire press list — I have the e-mail here — Keith Olbermann’s searing commentary against Hillary Clinton. So that is stirring this up, isn’t it?”

Mr. Axelrod: “Well, Mr. Olbermann did his commentary and he had his opinion. But as far as we’re concerned.”
Mr. Stephanopoulos: “But your campaign was sending it around.”
Mr. Axelrod: “As far as we’re concerned, George, as far as we’re concerned, this issue is done. It was an unfortunate statement, as we said, as she’s acknowledged. She has apologized. The apology, you know, is accepted. Let’s move forward.”
Mr. Axelrod: “There’s so many important things going on in this country right n

[MethuenProgressive]

230. Keith Obamann is in Axlerod's pocket.

KO's infomercials for HillHate should have a scrolling 1-800 number across the bottom..
"But WAIT!.... There's MORE!.... She killed Vince Foster!..... 1-800-HateHill...."

[rodeodance]

231. That is the truth.

[Hugabear]

248. I absolutely HATE how you Hillbots have trashed a fine progressive icon

His biggest sin? Not kowtowing to Hillary, not groveling at her feet. I guess you folks must have missed the times where he's spoken up for Hillary, defended her on various occasions, etc.

It makes me fucking sick to see you types praising the likes of O'Reilly and Faux News, and trashing KO.

[MethuenProgressive]

249. That's really an offensive image. You believe Barack is the return of Jesus Christ?

What a bizarre belief.

[Hugabear]

250. Yes. I absolutely believe that Obama is the Messiah, the Second Coming of Christ

It has absolutely nothing to do with the "Buddy Jesus" from Dogma. In no way is it meant to be a play on how you folks have continually accused Obama supporters of being a "cult".

I literally have an altar in the back room of my house dedicated to Barack Obama, where I offer incense and prayers to him several times a day.

[Marie26]

240. But there's no fingerprints

That's what makes Axelrod so good. He & Obama can personally say "move on", while low-level staffers promote the story to the media. So it looks like an organic media-driven phenomenon & Obama looks gracious. And if Clinton complains, she looks like a whiner who can't take responsibility for her own actions (as she did!). The timing was perfect to stall any calls to select Clinton as VP, all while Obama himself never rules out the possibility. It reminds me of the Edwards endorsement - IMO Edwards decided to endorse after Obama won NC overwhelmingly, but the Obama campaign held off a public endorsement until the day after Clinton won WV. This took the wind out of her sail & shifted the media from talking about her big win to talking about Obama's big endorsement, stopping any momentum for her campaign.

That's why I don't buy the line that Obama is "too nice" to fight the Republicans. They're really, really good at this. Axelrod specializes in media relations & marketing, and this campaign can play the media like a fiddle. IMO the Obama campaign can use the same strategies to take out McCain before he even knows what's hit him.

[Hugabear]

241. So what. Hillary still said it.

Why did Hillary apologize if she didn't make a mistake?

I don't believe that she actually wanted Obama to be assassinated. But pointing out that he could be assassinated - and that's EXACTLY what the inference was by bringing up RFK's assassination - was in VERY poor taste. Hillary has been around politics for a very long time, she should have known better.

[MethuenProgressive]

243. She didn't say what you've been told she did.

"pointing out that he could be assassinated"
Nonsense.

[Hugabear]

245. You know damned well what Hillary said

She did not say that Obama could be assassinated.

However, she DID say that RFK was assassinated in June, and that "anything could happen". Ergo, the inference is there's a chance that Obama could be assassinated as well.

Even IF that's not what she actually meant, that is the message that was conveyed. Hillary has been in politics far too long not to realize what a stupid thing that was to say.

[MethuenProgressive]

283. "the inference is there's a chance that Obama could be assassinated"

Only the those twitching to Hate Senator Clinton at the slightest instigation could have been manipulated into buying that.

[mckeown1128]

229. wow.. I didn't know the Obama campaign MADE Hillary say it. Thanks. nt

[MethuenProgressive]

232. She never said "I'm staying in because BO might get shot" - where'd you get that crap from?

Oh right - KO.

[mckeown1128]

242. I answering a question as to why she was staying in through june

she mentioned RFK's assasination... seems pretty clear cut to me.

[mckeown1128]

309. That fact that...when

asked to justify why she was staying in the campaign she used RFK's assasination as an answer.

[Doityourself]

235. Wow..Axelrod controls Hillary's words and speech? He's the man!

[BeyondGeography]

237. Asinine

[Marie26]

238. I agree

that it was promoted by the Obama camp, but they couldn't have done it if she hadn't made the gaffe in the first place. IMO Clinton was outplayed by the Obama campaign, and has been for months. They're just better at this.

[IsItJustMe]

239. You can't blame Obama for what the hell Hillary says. Get a life.

[MethuenProgressive]

255. Hillary was talking about races that last into June.

Only a really sick person would promote that as "she wants him shot"

[progetto]

296. mentioned assassination, implied as reason to stay in the race.

Hillary didn't say she wanted BO killed,
but she painted a picture of how she might win the nomination.
It's a touchy/risky subject that she didn't handle well.

[MethuenProgressive]

297. The editor who interviewed her, and RFK Jr himself, say that's not the case.

I'm sure you're a fine fellow, but I'll take them at their word.

[raebrek]

244. quit it n/t

[whatchamacallit]

246. She sucks, she lost, tough shit, get over it. eom

[JVS]

247. Hillary is a secret agent of the Obama campaign? I'm shocked, SHOCKED!

[Beacool]

251. Ahhhh yes, Axelrod...........

Typical Obama campaign behavior, throw the stone, hide the hand and then ask: Who, me?

Pretend to be above the fray while hitting the opponent with a baseball bat.

I still remember the talking point memo that Russert waived at Obama during one of the debates. Of course, since it was Obama, he was given a pass.

[MethuenProgressive]

252. That was the Obama Camp's Swiftboat the Clintons on Race plot memo

One of BO's many low points.

[Beacool]

256. How can you say that about the great "uniter".

Hillary, Bill and her supporters are meanies, bigots and racists to boot. If not, how else could they not see the greatness of the Chosen One?

:crazy:

[greguganus]

257. Damn, you are delusional. Back to ignore with your idiotic posts. n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

258. It Is Pathetic, Isn't It. It's Embarrassing How Some Here Are Pushing It Too.

Makes them look really dumb or like they completely lack any integrity. Shame for them.

[haymakeragain]

265. Hey, you're wrong.

Quelle surprise.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

266. ROFLMAO!!!! You're Embarrassing Yourself.

I couldn't possibly be more right here. It's the most stupid thing I've ever witnessed here how some are so blinded by their hate that they would cast away all of their sense of logic, reasoning and powers of deduction and just run with this meme. Do you have any idea how dumb it makes people look who tout this so steadfastly? No, I'd wager you don't. But still...

:rofl:

[Name removed]

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[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

273. ROFLMAO!!!!

Listen kid, I'm right with about 99.9% of what I post. Just because you're of too narrow a mind to grasp the intellect and logical accuracy of my posts, does not make me wrong. Does give me much to laugh about though!

:rofl:

[Name removed]

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[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

277. Oh Really Mr. 2008? So What Was Your Username Way Back When Then Jerky?

I run fuckin circles around ya... You know that right? You're bitter because I'm your better in every possible way. You're jealous because I'm famous around these parts, and almost nobody even knows who you are. Well, yeah, like, get over it and stuff. Grow up, get a grip, and deal with the fact that you'll just never have what it takes to best me kid. But life goes on...

But since you seem to want to imply that you've been around here so long then please, I implore you, reveal your past username that you had, prior to your already having been tombstoned for being a dumb fuck. I'm just dyin to know!

:hi:

[HooptieWagon]

280. OMG

What a completely egotistical narcissist piece of crap post.

[dsomuah]

260. quit it

Unless you have some concrete reason to believe Axelrod was behind this other than "This smells like Axelrod", you are simply beng speculative and petty.

Plus there is the delicious irony of using a Karl Rove tactic (Blaming the media), to complain about Karl Rovian tactics.

[Name removed]

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[ShortnFiery]

267. "Karl Rove/Donna Brazile/David Axelrod" --->To link KKKarl Rove to these other two is just BIZARRE!

You're spinning like a DELUSIONAL top. :crazy:

[MethuenProgressive]

279. Rove and Brazile have been buddies for several years, SnF.

Frustrated Democrat Makes Friends in G.O.P.

By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE
Published: February 21, 2003
Two years ago, Donna Brazile, then Al Gore's campaign manager, was engaged in daily combat with Karl Rove, then George W. Bush's top campaign strategist.

Today, they chirpily exchange e-mail, chat on the phone and write letters, indulging in their shared zeal for the inner workings of politics.

''I like her a lot,'' said Mr. Rove, now ensconced in the West Wing as President Bush's chief political adviser.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D02E5DC123DF932A15751C0A9659C8B63

[shomino]

269. Actually the "source" was Hillary Clinton's comments.

Regardless of how the comments were meant, it would be hard to dream up a worse political gaffe to make.

Y'know, she didn't have to say "assassinated". "Was killed", "unfortunate death", there are a number of better ways she could have phrased the statement to be less controversial.

No matter how you frame it, it was a huge mistake by Hillary Clinton. Just as she likes to say: "If you can't stand the heat.." right?

[AtomicKitten]

270. this OP encapsulates precisely why Obama people are turning their backs on ClintonCo

well done

:thumbsdown:

[Bensthename]

276. yup

true dat.. I cant wait for her to be out of this.

[MethuenProgressive]

282. Because we see through the smoke and mirrors of Lord Barack's traveling show?

Some people will always buy the snake oil.
The rest of us won't.

[Name removed]

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[Bensthename]

275. That Axlerod asshole is always making Hillary say things she does not want to.. Axlerod must pay..

Axlerod better stop making Hillary talk or he will get a spanky..

Damn Axlerod... :spank:

[MethuenProgressive]

285. He's lying about what she said.

That's what the Obama Camp does.

[Carolina]

284. no, it sprung from her vile mouth

revealing her equally vile soul.

You can try all you want to blame Obama but Hi-liar-y Rotten Clinton owns her own words. She is solely responsible for what she says and if her words become public, by whatever means, so be it. That's the price of being in the public eye. But for your information, the Ledger had live streaming of her vileness and it went directly to the NY TIMES among other places. So get over yourself.

Do you people ever take any responsibility, ever play by the rules???

[MethuenProgressive]

286. Nonsense. She never said anything about "staying in because BO might get shot"

Your leaders are lying to you.

[Carolina]

294. nonsense my ass

I don't need someone, some feckless leader like HRC, to tell me what I heard.

I worked on RFK's campaign, I remember that time well and you don't deserve to his picture as your avatar!

[MethuenProgressive]

295. Honest, she never said anything about "staying in because BO might get shot"

RFK Jr backs her on this.
Real RFK supporters accept RFK Jr's word.

[progetto]

302. mentioned RFK in June 68 as reason for staying in the race

Hillary didn't say anything about BO being shot.

I took her comments to mean she was not going to be pushed out of the race because anything could happen before the convention. Gave RFK in 1968 as example. Some might say she's referring to RFK's win in CA, but she does mention the assassination.

Hillary's words (not Axelrod's)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vyFqmp4wzI
50 second mark.
"We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June"

Hillary didn't spell it out, but it was obvious what she's implying. Coldly pragmatic, but also tasteless. A rational that she should not have tried to make.

[MethuenProgressive]

307. The editor who did the interview, and Bobby Kennedy Jr, both disagree with the Obama Camp's spin.

In response to a question, she gave examples of races that lasted til June.

[indimuse]

287. Here I think this is VERY TELLING!!!! K&R!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3U0df0qGoA JOAN WALSH , TWEETY AND '"ASSHOLE"... OBAMA CAMPAIGN SPREADS LIE!

[MethuenProgressive]

291. I recommend this post! Great video of that Obama loon getting his ass handed to him!

:thumbsup:

[MethuenProgressive]

289. Axlerod's Assassination-Gate: "A New Low in Clinton Bashing"

From Joan Walsh:

The world is divided between people who consider Bill and Hillary Clinton monsters, and people who don't. It used to be that the monster faction was limited to Republicans and certain mainstream media fixtures like Maureen Dowd and much of the MSNBC lineup. Now, increasingly, it involves too many Obama-supporting Democrats -- and the Clinton-hate is in danger of damaging the Democratic Party.
To argue that she was suggesting she's staying in the race because Obama might be assassinated -- even after both Clinton, and the journalists who interviewed her, said her reference was to RFK's June campaign, not to his heartbreaking murder -- requires either a special kind of paranoia or venal political opportunism.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/election_2008/2008/05/27/clinton_bashing/index.html

[MethuenProgressive]

290. Obama's Assassination Of The Truth

By Mark Rubin:
http://tominpaine.blogspot.com/2008/05/rfk-assassination-character.html

"Bill Burton from the Obama campaign and Barack Obama himself responding to Clinton's remarks about RFK immediately issued a statement that Clinton's remarks "were unfortunate and had no place in the campaign".Just in case the idiots in the news media didn't get the point Burton included a link to a NY Post story referencing Obama's early secret service protection and that he had been the recipient of threats.

The implication that the Obama campaign was trying to convey and which many in the media swallowed like trained seals catching a fish, was that her remarks implied that she was staying in the race just in case someone knocked off Obama. The press dutifully behaved like the trained seals they have been since the beginning and swallowed the fish that was thrown to them, then blew their horns.

Keith Olbermann,who tries every night to be the Value Meal version of Edward R. Murrow, swallowed the fish, and did some of the biggest tricks, throwing his head around with the fish in his mouth, eating it, then blowing the horn the loudest as he joined the growing list of pro Obama journalists making total fools out of themselves, shredding their credibility worse than it was before. Anyone who watched Olbermann give you your Value Meal dollar's worth saw that he had his knee jerking uncontrollably while he spat out the the word "assassination".

[mckeown1128]

292. Does it matter? nt

[MethuenProgressive]

293. Only to those of us wanting to beat McCain in the fall.

If the party settles on Obama, we have little chance of winning back the executive branch.

[mckeown1128]

304. The party HAS settled on Obama..

so stop slinging right wing talking points at him. Stop legitimizing republican talking points.

[SeaLyons]

298. Though very downplayed....I did hear on MSNBC

from Joan Walsh the truth about the Obama camp sending out emails to all the news and media outlets Friday evening defining her statement in a way that would make it appear that she was insinuating something that she clearly WAS NOT.

The Obama camp is SO NOT new politics. I'd call it gutter politics - Rovian style.

[MethuenProgressive]

306. Axelrod was neck deep in the sewage that is Chicago-style politics.

It was interesting to see MSNBC trying to backpedal away fron KO's lunatic rantings.

[SeaLyons]

308. MSNBC is intolerable....

and I don't understand how KO is not fired for those lunatic rantings against Hillary. I don't see how Bill refrains from punching him out.

[MethuenProgressive]

310. KO's just pandering to whatever the polls say his audience wants to hear.

He's a fraud.

[Overseas]

305. Since I was horrified and I don't support Clinton, that means Obama camp did it

She said it but all of us regular folks were not supposed to express our shock and dismay. Since we all gasped and some shouted, that means the Obama camp must have pushed us. I'm not on any Obama email list but you see, it's that darned ESP power that Axelrod has.

[MethuenProgressive]

311. friday afternoon kick

:kick:

[TwilightGardener]

313. Why would you kick such a hilariously stupid thread? Do you love humiliation?

[MethuenProgressive]

316. After this thread was started it came out that the BO camp was emailing this story to the MSM

Thanks for kicking the TRUTH!
:yourock:

[SeaLyons]

312. K&R

[MethuenProgressive]

314. Obama Camp ID'd as culprit behind pushing 'AssassinationGate':

The Obama campaign had sent an e-mail on Friday to reporters saying the remarks had no place in a presidential campaign. It was relying on a faulty online report in the New York Post that said Mrs. Clinton was “making an odd comparison between the dead candidate and Barack Obama.” By immediately jumping into the story, within a matter of minutes, the Obama campaign fed suggestions that Mrs. Clinton had somehow made a link between Mr. Obama and Mr. Kennedy’s death.
“The Obama campaign did put out a statement almost immediately condemning the remarks,” Mr. Wolfson said on CBS’ “Face the Nation.” “It was unfortunate and unnecessary, and in my opinion, inflammatory, for the Obama campaign to attack Senator Clinton on Friday for these remarks, without obviously knowing the full facts or context.”
---------------
"In addition, the Obama campaign sent the entire political press corps the transcript of a searing commentary about Mrs. Clinton by Keith Olbermann on MSNBC.
George Stephanopoulos, the host of ABC’s “This Week,” asked David Axelrod, Mr. Obama’s top strategist, about the e-mail:
Mr. Stephanopoulos: You say you’re not trying to stir the issue up. But a member of your press staff yesterday was sending around to an entire press list — I have the e-mail here — Keith Olbermann’s searing commentary against Hillary Clinton. So that is stirring this up, isn’t it?”
Mr. Axelrod: “Well, Mr. Olbermann did his commentary and he had his opinion. But as far as we’re concerned.”
Mr. Stephanopoulos: “But your campaign was sending it around.”
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/25/clinton-defends-rfk-remarks/
Mr. Axelrod: “As far as we’re concerned, George, as far as we’re concerned, this issue is done.

[SeaLyons]

315. I know -

did you post this? Please do.

[anigbrowl]

317. This is pure disruption on your part

I was offended and outraged about because I watched Clinton say it in a media interview. I didn't hear anything from the Obama camp until later in the day. Nobody forced Clinton to say it, and nobody from the Obama camp formed my opinion on it in any way. There was no need for an Axelrod production of any kind, the remarks were plenty outrageous enough on their own.

[Moochy]

318. MeuthenProgressive is neither Progressive

Nor Meuthen. well maybe he's meuthen... is that scandanavian for "Not" ?