Hillary's op-ed is delusional crap and a lie and she should be ashamed

[ProSense]

Hillary: Why I continue to run

BY HILLARY CLINTON

Sunday, May 25th 2008, 4:00 AM

But I was deeply dismayed and disturbed that my comment would be construed in a way that flies in the face of everything I stand for - and everything I am fighting for in this election.

<...>

I am running because I still believe I can win on the merits. Because, with our economy in crisis, our nation at war, the stakes have never been higher - and the need for real leadership has never been greater - and I believe I can provide that leadership.

<...>

I am running because I believe staying in this race will help unite the Democratic Party. I believe that if Sen. Obama and I both make our case - and all Democrats have the chance to make their voices heard - in the end, everyone will be more likely to rally around the nominee.

<...>

Finally, I am running because I believe I'm the strongest candidate to stand toe-to-toe with Sen. McCain. Delegate math might be complicated - but electoral math is not. Our campaign is winning the popular vote - and we've been winning the swing states we need to get 270 electoral votes and take back the White House: Pennsylvania, Ohio, Arkansas, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Nevada, Michigan, Florida and West Virginia.

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She can still "win on the merits"? Really?

Obama clinches 2026 with 15 more superdelegates; Axelrod slaps down Hillary VP meeting talking point

She believes staying in the race "will help unite" the party? Really?

Instead of trying to help bring the party together — Election Day is 24 weeks away — Clinton went to Florida to argue that if Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee, his nomination will be illegitimate. And if the DNC plays by the rules Clinton used to support, it’s guilty of vote-suppression — comparable to slavery, Jim Crow, and Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe.

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She is "dismayed and disturbed" that her comment "would be construed in a way that flies in the face" of everything she stands for? Really?

Stop clarifying what Hillary meant, it's clear. She also knew what Obama meant when he said "bitter"

She is "winning the popular vote"? Still lying. On edit: Please tell this so-called leader in the Democratic Party that this is a delegate battle. She is apparently unfamiliar with the rules.

As Hillary argues voter disenfranchisement, she repeatedly uses phrase "select a nominee" (updated)

Maybe Hillary should take her own advice, videos:

Hillary Clinton - Get Out Of The Kitchen Barack Obama

Kitchen


Updated to add the lie in her lame attempt at an apology:

HRC: I don't know. I don't know. I find it curious. Because it is unprecedented in history. I don’t understand it. Between my opponent and his camp and some in the media there has been this urgency to end this. And historically, that makes no sense. So I find it a bit of a mystery.

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Obama has repeatedly said she has every right to continue.

[marylanddem]

1. And still no apology to Obama for her reprehensible remarks.

She is unfuckingbelievable.

[FARAFIELD]

3. She Fucking Sucks

I say that because I called her another name and they called it hate speech although if she says she is ready to step in if OBAMA gets killed thats just fine Anyhooo.

[LSparkle]

9. I'm watching Wolfson on "Face The Nation" and he's not fucking backing down ...

He agrees with Typhoon Terry McAwful that there is NO
REASON for her to apologize to Obama (WTF?). Even
usually-staid Bob Schieffer had to shake his head
and press him on this ... finally Schieffer just
said, "Well, I guess that's as far as we're going
to get you to go on this, so we'll have to leave it
there."

They have fucking ABANDONED the reality-based com-
munity ... absolute delusion.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

64. She cannot let down Bush

Bush Clinton Bush Clinton

[sellitman]

6. She is unelectable.

She did it to herself though.

No pity parties planned around here.

[JimGinPA]

7. Being Hillary Means Never Having To Say You're Sorry

:mad:

[Skip Intro]

12. Why the hell should she apologize to Obama?

[marylanddem]

18. Um, because she raised the possibility he could be off'd?

[ProSense]

21. and because she lied about his position on her continuing the race

That means whatever version is to be believed, the delusional or the rational interpretation, she owes Obama an apology.

[Skip Intro]

23. She owes Obama an apology for staying in the race?

Mabye she should just apologize for ever even having run?

[ProSense]

24. Apparently, you didn't understand the comment. Read it again. n/t

[Skip Intro]

26. I understood the comment, ProSense, I just find it inaccurate.

When one of the candidates reaches the number of requried delegates, we will have a winner. That has not happened yet, and yes, I do think it a valid argument that FL and MI be counted in some fashion which could raise the required number of dels needed to win.

I read a post here the other day slamming Hillary for not campaigning FOR Obama in WV, so the sentiment is out there that just by the fact that she is even in the race she should apologize to the new messiah.

I don't buy either position, and she is breaking no rules by staying in the race. She has no reason to apologize to Obama.

[roguevalley]

34. you are deliberately, deliberately ignoring the op. she said she

will stay because of precedent, that June is the kill the candidate month. You are ignoring that with your post. too bad. perhaps I should believe your words directly. you truly cannot see how offensive and morally dead her comments were. sad.

[Mimosa]

92. Some cannot see how offensive and morally dead her comments were

Roguevalley, you said it well. I do not understand how any decent person could continue to support HRC after her 'Hardworking people, white people' remarks. And now it is clear why she is continuing long past her sell by date.

She has opened up the floodgates where some people fell empowered to utter the unthinkable in regards to race (Ferraro) and assassination (Trotta).

Interesting how it's older white women blowing the dog whistles, isn't it?

[JNelson6563]

121. Dog whistles

An oldie but a goodie: Will no one rid me of this low born priest??

Tried 'n' true.

[Kittycat]

40. Only 53 delegates to go, and Obama will be the Presumptive Nominee.

2026 is what they signed on to. If he gets that number before May 31, then it doesn't matter what they do with MI/FL. The race was for 2026, and he will have met it before any rules change. The DNC has made it clear that they plan on seating MI & FL in some form - but it's doubtful it will be in full form. They've also said that MI/FL will not sway the winning vote, doing so would be unfair to the states they tried to cheat by going out of order.

Not to mention the even if seated in full, MI/FL will not change the fact that Obama has won the most delegates.

Rules, they suck for Hillary - but they are the rules she agreed to.

[IllinoisBirdWatcher]

89. Only 49 now n/t

[ProSense]

45. FL and MI? Obviously, you didn't understand the comment. n/t

[Ken Burch]

96. None of us have EVER called Obama "The Messiah".

Please stop spreading that lie.

None of us ever thought the man was infallible. We just thought he was the better candidate.

There's no good reason to ever use the "messiah" meme again. It was always a lie to say Obama supporters thought of their candidate that way. We just felt normal, legitimate enthusiasm. Why is that so hard to understand or accept?

[jgraz]

53. "Maybe she should apologize for ever having run?"

Works for me.

[Zhade]

73. "because she lied about his position on her continuing the race"

READ.

[Ken Burch]

88. She had the right to run. But we both know there' s no good reason for her to stay in.

You and I know her nomination would have to fatally damage our chances. HRC can't win honorably or legitimately now. She can only be forced through by arrogant DLC trickery. And you know as well as I that a HRC nom on those terms would have to make the fall contest meaningless.

[ForeignSpectator]

116. She could apologize for f***ing lying everytime, for starters...see OP n/t

[Skip Intro]

22. No she didn't.

As Skinner, the editiorial board to whom she made the comment, JFK Jr., and even the magical Obama have said.

[Ken Burch]

87. "JFK jr"? Did he hold a press seance?

n/t.

[RaleighNCDUer]

144. I can't BELIEVE you are dragging up that RACIST "magical negro"

BULLSHIT again.

Are you now, or have you ever been, a fucking troll?

[sallyseven]

149. That is not what she said.

She just reminded people that primaries don't end until they do. Whether it is in June or July or May. She did not dishonor Bobby but you people have. I am so sick and tired of the vitriol that comes out in the forum. I know one thing real Democrats do not behave this way. You must all be republicans. They are the mean spirited people.

[Raineyb]

174. Actually, ignoring the disgusting reference to assassination

Clinton was still deliberately misleading people. In 1968 the primaries didn't start until March and in 1992 the primaries weren't front loaded the way they were this year. In addition, Clinton had it all but locked well before June despite the fact that the primaries continued. It's not like they cancel the primaries once a nominee has been chosen. To say that we still had races in the past as late as June is extremely disingenuous. So even when trying to make the case for why she's still in the race she can't come up with a reason without lying about the rationale.

Clinton's campaign has become the vulture candidacy. The difference is feathered vultures wait for a dying animal to die before swooping down; you don't see vultures hovering over healthy animals. The non-feathered variety hopes in her heart of hearts that someone takes out her opponent because there's no other hope of her being able to swoop in and take the prize.

June races are healthy? Not this year. Not with the front loading of the primaries. This race is the equivalent of a race running from March 1968 until August of the same year. Unfortunately, Clinton wants this race to run from January 2007 until August 2008. Letting her campaign go on until the convention in August is a recipe for disaster. But hey she and Former President Clinton made 109 million dollars bucks since leaving the White House so she probably won't suffer too much.

Too bad the rest of us won't fare as well.

Regards

[roguevalley]

31. that you have to ask why shows a bit of moral bankruptcy on your

part. check your conscience.

[Ken Burch]

82. Because of the immorality of her remarks about assassination.

You know she was wrong to say that, and you know she owes Obama an apology. Why can't you accept that she's obligated to show him respect as our future nominee and that she's obligate to show his supporters the respect.

[emilyg]

105. She shouldn't.

[Individualist]

16. She's petty and vicious, a typical DLCer.

[WillyToad]

132. Which had nothing to do with Obama

[sallyseven]

142. Who the hell are you to make such statement

Your nothing but a hate filled idiot and should just shut up. You and the rest of the morons that make up the majority of this sleazy forum. Lies and innuendo is so prevalent on this forum that it is impossible to say anything truthful or factual. God is going to get you for your vile comments. You need your mouths washed out with soap.

[sallyseven]

151. She did nothing to Obama. he is a sneaking

guy. First he was offended then he was so kind after he started the fire. The MSM has heard her say the same thing before and ignored it. Now they are twitching in their shorts to make a big deal of it. Bobby's son didn't take offense so why should Obama? No one wants another martyr that we have to name streets, schools, or airports after.

[LSparkle]

2. Every time she mentions the specious "popular vote" argument ...

she disqualifies herself anew. We don't need
ANOTHER lying president (or nominee for that
matter).

[tabasco]

4. Her spin is laughable.

As usual, she thinks we are all stupid.

Not all of us Hillary, just a lot of the people who continue to support you.

[polichick]

5. If the party doesn't stop this vile candidate, it will deserve its own demise.

I just posted this elsewhere but it's worth repeating imo ~ and I'll add that, if Dem. leaders allow this charade to go to the convention, I will happily join the growing number of independents who are serious about change.

[bvar22]

29. That is the ONLY way the Republicans can win in 2008.

Makes you think, doesn't it

[glitch]

47. Indeed it does. nt

[Bette Noir]

107. What you said.

If the Democratic party starts catering to the racist vote, and kowtows to someone who who courts the crazies by posing in a pickup in full hunting gear, it doesn't deserve my vote, or that of any other non-racist progressive. Should we start voting for race-haters and those who hint at assassination for those who oppose them? I never have before, and I'm not about to start.

[gristy]

8. Delusional. Or lying. Or both.

[City Lights]

10. She has no shame. nt

[K Gardner]

11. She has NO merit left to her, period. She is neither a meritorious woman, politician OR

candidate. She has just thrown dirt on her own coffin, which she nailed shut yesterday with her Non-Apology, after writing her own political obituary.

She is truly a one-woman show. Independent indeed.. needed no help ruining her image or her legacy.

[Grinchie]

111. She is Following in Darling Lieberman's footsteps N/T

[WeDidIt]

13. Come on now, of course she was going to write an op-ed

She just HAD TO RUB FUCKING SALT AND VINEGAR INTO THE WOUNDS SHE OPENED UP ON FRIDAY!!!

What an evil, callous, cold, dark souled person she is.

[ProSense]

17. Her parents didn't raise a quitter. n/t

[marylanddem]

19. I wish to hell they had!

[K Gardner]

48. omg.. sorry, but that was LOL funny.

[Gore1FL]

41. They evidently didn't raise a Democratic nominee for president either.

[neverforget]

59. .

:spray: :rofl:

[IllinoisBirdWatcher]

94. Nope, they raised a spoiled child. n/t

[Kierkegaard]

118. They didn't raise a human being, either.

[teamster633]

124. Quitter rhymes with bitter which rhymes with...

party-splitter which rhymes with sling-shitter...Hillary t'aint none o'those.

[roguevalley]

37. she still wants it because no one has tossed a net over her so she

did the only thing she could, wrote the piece blaming the press. how TOTALLY republican that is to do.

[IllinoisBirdWatcher]

93. And push it far enough so Fox News could push it further

since they are now reporting that people are taking Hillary's talk as a call for action.

Meanwhile, after floating out a failed trial balloon yesterday which bombed, it only took her 36 minutes to issue her first non-apology. Why?

Because her people didn't understand Streaming Video. She and they thought it wasn't being broadcast live since the MSM wasn't there. The way the events transpired is comical if her remarks were not so dispicable. The pool reporters, numbed by her previous slams missed it entirely. New York editors were astonished and alarmed and actually had the story published before pool reporters submitted their articles. Pool reporters learned from their Blackberrys that the story was live.

Goes to show how the traveling pool has been protecting Hillary all along, and why her first three uses of ASSASSINATION weren't picked-up by major outlets. In this case the editors saw and heard before the friendly pool could filter.

So Hillary pushed it to one level. Fox has now pushed it further.

And she is in Puerto Rico right now trying to spin it further. And making herself look more like a dingbat.

Yeah, "experience" this country needs. Right. I'm glad that no real candidate has to pass the self-created Commander-in-Chief that she thinks only she and John McShame have passed.

[ErinBerin84]

14. is this her campaign's version of damage control?

[me b zola]

39. No, seems like more scorched earth.

:mad:

[kid a]

15. Those closest to her, personally and campaign campers, are partly responsible too.

I try to be as objective as I can when reading and listening to her new message.

Am I crazy? Who believes that stuff?

Are any SD's buying it?

[IllinoisBirdWatcher]

97. Excuse me??? The candidate is in charge of the campaign

and every campaign takes on the characteristics of the candidate.

Which is why we see such a glaring difference between Team Obama and Camp Clinton.

Senator Obama said it best when he hired his team: "No assholes here."

Meanwhile Terry-boy, Howard, Hillary and Bill are all still spinning different messages.

So it's change we can count on, on day one of something (certainly not the campaign) and accept all the rules (except the ones we don't like) and slime the opponents, but most of all, just hang around through June because that is assassination month. "You never know, something may happen between now and the convention..."

Class act. Blame the minions. Nah. Blame the person who normally pays the minions salaries (but in this case stiffs them as well as major universities and small local vendors). Yup, class act.

[Exilednight]

20. The first lie I found .........

"I pointed out, as I have before, that both my husband's primary campaign, and Sen. Robert Kennedy's, had continued into June."

This is not what she pointed out. She pointed out that Robert was assassinated in June.

[Warren Stupidity]

25. And the California Primary, with its boatload of delegates

WAS IN FREAKING JUNE

Forget the assassination gaffe - the reason primaries were contested up until the start of June was that California was big enough to change the results. All the big states were settled long ago. Clinton is simply lying and playing her supporters for fools. They are the ones who should be outraged with her at this point.

[IllinoisBirdWatcher]

99. They are. Look at the 19 point poll swing this week to Obama. n/t

[IllinoisBirdWatcher]

98. well if you lie about it long enough

people will believe the lie or just get tired of arguing with you

[Medusa]

27. She's as delusional as Bush is.

Maybe more so. She's also totally devoid of shame or humility, hence the martyr/victim meme. Oh well, let her have this last stand and let her keep on spinning away. She will not be reelected to th Senate next time around. I for on will cheer her departure from national politics.

[blonndee]

35. I agree. She is an embarrassment.

[Political Tiger]

28. "I believe staying in this race will help unite the Democratic Party."

There can be no doubt now that she has totally lost touch with reality and that she is out of her mind.

[tokenlib]

30. Well, at least she's consistant...KEEP DIGGING!!!

Keep digging and I'm sure you'll end up somewhere...

I am horrified how ignorant and stupid this op-ed is. Still no acknowledgement of how her words could be disturbing in light of the conduct of her campaign. No understanding whatsoever...

[Cha]

32. Oh shut up you big stupid brat.

You need to be HELD ACCOUNTABLE on your demerits. Fuck your delusional merits, hilary rottenhead clinton.

[blonndee]

33. The eternal victim, the predictable liar...it's NEVER Hillary's fault.

She is deranged.

[Kierkegaard]

120. There has to be something wrong with her.

She hasn't got both oars in the water...

[The Wizard]

137. Too many oars (NT)

[Kierkegaard]

138. Equally fitting analogy.

Bravissimo!

[blogslut]

36. Here is a link to Axelrod commenting on her OP-ED

Added bonus, George Stephanopoulos spinning like a top!

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4926658

EDIT ADD: I've been told the link doesn't work. One can also access by going to the ABC This Week main page @ http://abcnews.go.com/thisweek and click on the Headline that reads: Obama Campaign Accepts Apology

[Catherina]

52. Thank you. The added bonus was hilarious :) n/t

[defendandprotect]

86. Obama's guy is fine . . . but WHY is anyone watching this dribble . .. ?????

[JNelson6563]

125. That was really good.

Reminded me of how Howard Dean stays on message and refuses to be sidetracked by the corporate media. Well done. Our side is getting much better at this!

Julie

[DogPoundPup]

38. She believes the exact opposite of reality.

[backscatter712]

42. self delete

[seafan]

43. But, she dismissed party unity two days ago. Which is it, Senator Clinton?

I am running because I believe staying in this race will help unite the Democratic Party.

---Hillary Clinton in her op-ed in the NY Daily News, "Why I Continue To Run", May 25, 2008



But two days ago in her infamous interview, Hillary Clinton said this:

May 23, 2008:

HRC: .... People have been trying to push me out of this ever since Iowa. There has been this urgency to end this.

Interviewer: Why?

HRC: I don't know.

Interviewer: WHY?

HRC: I don't know. I don't.... I find it curious... because it is... it is unprecedented in history... I don't understand it. And, you know, between my opponent and his camp and some in the media, there has been this urgency to end this. And, you know, historically that makes no sense. So, I find it a bit of a mystery.

Interviewer: You don't buy the party unity argument?

HRC: I don't, because, again, I've been around long enough.

.....

Which is it, Senator Clinton?

Today you are *FOR* party unity, when, just two days ago, you dismissed it out of hand.

Party unity is an unfortunate casualty, it seems, when your ambition and sense of entitlement are involved. What should the American people realize from these and many other of your statements?


The answer is stunningly apparent.

[Grinchie]

112. It's pretty easy to "Believe" when you're whacked out on Xanax.

Getting confused and taking too many free samples from the Big Pharma Lobbyists will do that to the brain.

Just wait till she comes down off the meds, then we'll really see scorched earth.

[Window]

44. K/R.

:kick:

[dana_b]

46. I actually felt a little sorry for her yesterday

what the hell was I thinking??? God, she is so detestable. Unite the party? BS - from all the comments I've seen on the web (not just hre - all OVER except the pro HC sites), noone is falling for it Hill. They want you OUT!! GO!! damnit

[jgraz]

49. I feel like we've all been swimming in shit since she entered the race

I cannot wait for this horrible excuse for a human being to be drop-kicked into oblivion.

[Evergreen Emerald]

50. You are...of your own making

you and your thugs on DU have turned DU into a toilet where you do nothing but attack with such vitriolic hatred that it never ceases to amaze me.

[yourguide]

55. check yourself.

what she said was wrong. plain and simple. just another in the long list of mistakes she refuses to apologize for. at the very top, her iraq war vote.

[jgraz]

57. Oh give it a fucking rest, you ridiculous professional victim.

Why don't you take a course on what it means to be a true feminist? (hint: there's not a lot of pathetic whining involved)

[Evergreen Emerald]

58. True feminist?

Your attacks are nothing like true feminism.

To deny that sexism played a part in this campaign is akin to binding your own feet and assuring that your daughters will have to endure it too.

To be so vitriolic in your hatred (see you original post) is over the top, believing the lies and distortions and so far off the deep end it makes me wonder what you are drinking.

[jgraz]

60. Yes, true feminism. Sadly for you, you have to be an adult first

It requires the maturity to accept defeat, the wisdom to know when you're being lied to, and the conscience to fight against injustice rather than excuse it.

[Evergreen Emerald]

61. It also requires you to see reality

and not be blinded by adulation. It also requires you to believe that every person deserves to be treated with respect and dignity, not just the candidate you support. It requires you to see the bigger picture and to understand that although it is easier to follow the crowd, the crowd is sometimes wrong.

The civil rights movement was started by people that did not follow the crowd--and oh by the way, Clinton has been fighting for civil rights her whole career.

And honestly making "swimming in shit" comments regarding a progressive Senator is not acting like an adult.

[jgraz]

70. See reality? Let's take a look, shall we?

You believe that ever person deserves to be treated with respect and dignity. Fine. Then you should be outraged at how Hillary has treated her supporters like complete morons with this bogus "popular vote" argument. How can you support someone who thinks you're stupid enough to believe that?

And Hillary fighting for civil rights? Was that before she joined the board of union-busting Walmart? Or while she was accusing underage rape victims of asking for it?

And finally, my "swimming in shit" comment was not calling your oh-so-hasn't-ever-been-close-to-progressive Senator "shit". It was calling her tactics "shit". And for that I apologize -- it was a grave insult to actual shit.

[Grinchie]

113. Wow Jgraz!

You just told Evergreen the Troll the Secret of Happiness and it dismissed you.

Those three terms of life are the most energizing credos to follow, as well as being some of the most difficult to do at times.

Kowing When to Quit consrves your strength for the future.
Knowing when someone is lying to you is the only way to escape being exploited by them
And fighting injustice allows you the strength to demand your terms, not theirs.

All of these this take a great deal of internal strength and wisdom, which amazes me that Hillary seems so out of touch.

Hillary has set up a negative feedback loop with the press, and she's buying their spin as much as they buy hers.

She certainly is not Presidential, unless you compare her to Dubya, but even then, I never would vote for Dubya.

[The Stranger]

51. She is the one that voted to send those young men and women to die in the sands of Iraq.

That she can even speak about it gives new meaning to hypocrisy.

She is worse than the G.O.P. At least we know who they are.

[Cha]

102. I think she's worse too..

hilary hasn't been vetted .we don't know who the hell she is other than a WarHog.

Fozzledick (494 posts) Sat May-24-08 10:11 PM
Original message
Senator Clinton: You lost because of Iraq, not sexism

"But sexism is not what cost Hillary Clinton this campaign: Iraq was, and what's more, she knows it -- or at least she should know, because her staff does. On February 17, 2007 she told people who disagreed with her vote on Iraq to choose from the other candidates:

“If the most important thing to any of you is choosing someone who did not cast that vote or has said his vote was a mistake, then there are others to choose from,” Mrs. Clinton told an audience in Dover, N.H., in a veiled reference to two rivals for the nomination, Senator Barack Obama of Illinois and former Senator John Edwards of North Carolina.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6117169

[butterfly77]

54. Everytime her or her companions ..

appear on any show they continue to say that the Obama campaign is asking them to get out of the race and I continually hear Obama,Axelrod,Daschle and other saying the opposite...

[Grinchie]

114. You see, when normal people send feedback to HC.COM

They interpret the message as from Obama's campaign it it says, I cannot support you HRc because of your IWR vote, Your ongoing lawsuit with Peter Paul regarding illegal campaing contributions, or your support for Nafta, DLC, Walmart, GMO foods being unlabeled ad nauseum.

Wait a minute, I guess real little people are Obama's Campaign Team!

Personally, I don't think they read comments, because I did not get even an automated bounce reply. I guess they "don't like using the Email because of all the investigations."

[ExPatLeftist]

130. Good Point. Similar to how SOME HRC supporters here...

...illogically try to blame the Obama campaign (or Obama himself) for anything some asshole that claims to support Obama has to say.

We really need to cut the bullshit. Each person is responsible for his or her words only. Any fool that believes that all comments about Clinton or in defense of Obama orginate with the Obama campaign itself needs to simply grow up. It's a distinctly grade-school attitude, "I can't vote for Timmy because Mary is voting for Timmy and I can't stand her!!". No logic, no maturity in sight. It is really sad, though not surprising, that Clinton herself is pushing this same BS.

America keeps getting more and more stupid. Rather than trying to wake it up and change the tone (like Obama is doing), Hillary Clinton tries to play it to her advantage and treats people like the idiots that she assumes them to be. Every comment from a nominal supporter "originates" in the Obama camp? She is "winning the popular vote"? Any criticism of her own actual tactics is actually a random attack, possibly motivated by sexism?

Is anyone actually buying this shit? I would really love to hear from someone that is.

I am not a "hater". I am someone that is very disappointed to see someone that I had a great deal of respect for resorting to lowest-common-denominator Repub-like attacks and dastardly campaign tricks. Anyone that has a problem with that needs to address HER actions, not the REACTIONS of millions.

[butterfly77]

160. Isn't this like the Rev.Wright thing...

if Wright said it then Obama did too..

[ExPatLeftist]

164. Yeah, definitely.

It is so much easier to look at people as hive-mind masses than realize that each and every one of us is an individual. That can get a bit overwhelming for some so they resort to the black-and-white, us-vs.-them mentality to "simplify" things. Bush has played up to this in the public, and so many continue to apply it, though it is absolutely illogical and ridiculous. We talk about what "they" think when referring to entire nations, and so many people do not seem to realize the disconnect between that and a common American desire to be seen as individuals...

On these boards, if a few people say something nasty and happen to support a particular candidate, then some proclaim that "Supporters of X candidate" said this, when it was in fact, one person who happens to share a single trait with many millions. The media eats it up and gives us endless crap about Rev. Wright (and by even further extension, Louis Farrakhan). It's gotten nuts.

Sorry for the long rant... :)

[GoldieAZ49]

56. Hillary is right

and the manufactured 'outrage' over her comments had the covers pulled on it by none other than RFK Jr.

Everything after that is just political hype and is pathetic.

[ProSense]

62. Explain what RFK Jr. has to do with Hillary's assassination comment. n/t

[GoldieAZ49]

65. it is a mistake for people to take offense

Robert Kennedy Jr. issued the following statement this evening:
"It is clear from the context that Hillary was invoking a familiar political circumstance in order to support her decision to stay in the race through June. I have heard her make this reference before, also citing her husband's 1992 race, both of which were hard fought through June. I understand how highly charged the atmosphere is, but I think it is a mistake for people to take offense."

http://video1.washingtontimes.com/bellantoni/2008/05/robert_kennedy_jr_mistake_to_t.html


Surprised you didn't see his response, or you just enjoy your faux outrage.

[ProSense]

67. That doesn't explain anything. That's RFK Jr. playing apologist.

What does he have to do with Hillary's comment that leads you to believe that his playing damage control for her has anything to do with Hillary raising the specter of assassination in a contest between her and Obama?

[cherokeeprogressive]

83. Please explain why RFK Jr's opinion is pertinent. n/t

[RaleighNCDUer]

152. Never mind that the fight in June was during primaries that started

in March, not in January. Never mind that there was no similarity between those campaigns and this one. Never mind that dredging up the assassination as an event that changed the course of the primary was unnecessary, if the intent was to merely say 'it was June'.

I thought at first it was simply another example of her political tone-deafness that allowed her to spout that. Then, understanding that she's said the same thing at least three times, it became clear that she knew exactly what she was playing at - dividing the Democrats between those who are scared of blacks and those who are scared of racists.

She is deliberatly sabatoging this election because she didn't get what she wanted. And when we go under, she will be pointing at Obama saying "it's all HIS fault".

[MadMaddie]

75. What about the manufactured outrage over Rev Wright from

Hillary's camp? It's a two way street isn't it?

If this were the first time she used this talking point...she might have been able to get away with it...but this is the 3+ time she has used it...the difference is she didn't use the word "Assassination", in her previous comments.

The problem is she used the word "Assasination"...and the implications of RFK's Assassination in the turmoil filled 60's was highly inappapropriate....she knows it, you know it and everyone that lived through the 60's knows it.

[anigbrowl]

63. 'Ignore what I actually said; focus on what I wanted you to hear.'

Yeah, yeah - we know she was talking about presidential primary contests running until June. That happened in 1992. It happened in 1968. Actually, it happened in 1988, 1984, 1980, and 1976. I don't have a calendar for 1972 to hand.

"Almost immediately, some took my comments entirely out of context and interpreted them to mean something completely different - and completely unthinkable," says Hillary.

Completely unthinkable - but, apparently, completely unsayable. What should I conclude from this? That her mouth works independently of her brain? We've had 8 years of that. We should forget she said it? I don't think Obama's secret service detail are going to looking forward to a little relaxation as the campaign phase enters its final days.

I can't believe she would hit back with an editorial like this. If she had made the remark and then immediately disavowed it and the implications it carried, I would have frowned but let it pass. If she had issued a comprehensive apology on Friday, I would have been annoyed but gotten over it. As it is, her response (after a day of media silence) amounts to 'Unfair! You made me look bad!'. This is, literally, pathetic - the contention that the environment is a reflection of the individual's emotional state, and that by controlling her own emotional response, she can modify the environment in accordance with her desire.

Hillary: see a psychiatrist.

[Grinchie]

115. If Hillary was a Lawyer, I would not hire her. Oh Snap! N/T

[Triana]

66. Hillary's Cam-Pain Manual

[ProSense]

68. Fox, Hillary and her campaign's favorite "fair and balanced" network

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/25/15389/8576/115/522617">Fox News Jokes About Killing Obama

[Major Hogwash]

69. Good-bye, Hillary!

When asked why her negative poll numbers were so high last December, she said "well, I think it is because people don't know me."

Well, now we do!!!

[HooptieWagon]

136. And the better people get to know her

the less they like her (as if "35 years" of voting for war, cluster-bombing children, and opposing unions while on Walmarts board doesn't already paint an ugly picture)

[Major Hogwash]

140. Her career is over as a Democrat.

She won't be re-elected to the Senate in 2012. She can forget that right now.
Her and Bubba will retire to Arkansas and work at his presidential library.

[HooptieWagon]

156. Agreed, she'll have a hard time holding on to the senate seat Bill bought her.

And she'll even find many senate peers reluctant to associate with her. I think her senatorial career was merely a stepping stone for a presidential run... with that over, I could see where she would be less than enthusiastic about even continuing in the Senate. I wouldn't be surprised if she resigned in a year or so, write a book, give speeches, and start a lobbying firm or think tank with large corporate donations. And given that she's dragged the DLC down with her, even they may disaccotiate with her as they lick their wounds and attempt to rebuild. That's the primary reason I'm not against her continuing her futile campaign. The more she hurts the DLC, the better. We don't need that bunch of criminals coming back to haunt us.

[ProSense]

71. Senator Clinton Still Calling for a Debate

Senator Clinton Still Calling for a Debate

May 25, 2008 5:32 PM

ABC News' Eloise Harper reports: Since the Pennsylvania primary Sen. Hillary Clinton has been calling for a debate with her opponent, Sen. Barack Obama.

She continued her plea in Penuelas, Puerto Rico, standing outside a restaurant while less than 100 people gathered on a dirt walkway. Obama has rebuffed these requests and has instead begun campaigning in states that would be important for him in the general election if he becomes the Democratic presidential nominee.

"I was informed that Univision will sponsor a debate between Sen. Obama and myself about the issues affecting Puerto Rico," Clinton said. "I accept that invitation. Anytime, anywhere. That is the best way for the people of Puerto Rico to have their questions asked and answered and for the rest of the United States to learn more about Puerto Rico."

Clinton reiterated her claim that she feels as though she has been a senator for Puerto Rico, because she represents so many of then in New York.

"I feel as though I have been your senator and now I want to be your president," she said.

Bizarre!

[IllinoisBirdWatcher]

100. Great Post :) Horray. That's it. Problem Solved

Hillary will be President of Puerto Rico.

That is the job she now wants.

End of story.

[Bette Noir]

108. I'm Puerto Rican.

She's not my senator.

[Grinchie]

117. But She Believes She Is The Senator of Puerto Rico!*

*Because she represents so many in New York

Thats a good rule of thumb I suppose.

Next thing she'll do is go to France and want to be their president because she claims to be Napolean.

[Zhade]

72. Correct. She does not have the irrelevant popular vote, and wouldn't even with FL and MI.

She is such a brazen liar.

[janet118]

74. The statement Hillary Clinton should have released on Friday

This might have helped me "move on":

"I am so sorry for what I said. Although I had no intention of hurting anyone, I can see how callous and insensitive my words are when they appear in black and white. I know that the threats we as candidates face are real. As a wife and mother who lived under Secret Service protection for many years, I should have known how bringing up the specter of assassination, even in the context of discussing historical time lines, would be upsetting to my opponent and his family. Let me first apologize to Sen. Obama and his wife Michelle for doing so. There is no excuse for it. Next, I would like to apologize to the Kennedy family for bringing forth painful memories. Lastly, I want to tell my supporters and those of Sen. Obama that we are both imperfect candidates who sometimes say stupid things. I'm sure Barack can attest to this and I certainly can. That said, we are both Democrats who want our country to be strong again and will each hard work to make certain whomever of us is the nominee becomes the next President of the United States."

Or something to that effect . . . Anything less is self-serving garbage.:(

[Bette Noir]

109. You're at least the third person who has offered her a script for a proper apology.

Apparently, she's not interested.

[Zosima]

128. Pitch Perfect Apology

It's a shame Hillary doesn't have someone as clear-minded as you working on her campaign.

[janet118]

167. As if !

;-)

I worked with the Edwards campaign in NH and then switched to Obama when JE dropped out. Supporting Hillary, in any way, never crossed my mind. Her inability to apologize for obvious mistakes (like voting for the Iraq War Resolution) or to show me that she really cared about anything besides her own election or to have enough respect for voters to tell the truth got Sen. Clinton on my election "ignore" list.

When I wrote that statement above, I tried to channel a more compassionate, less petty Hillary Clinton, one who had an open mind and heart and who could admit she had said something hurtful and stupid. That is the Hillary Clinton I could have supported. That is not the person who is running for president.

[Zosima]

170. I've been suffering from irony deficiency...

My previous remark about it being a shame that Hillary doesn't have you working for her should have been laden with much more sarcasm. Originally, I, too, was an Edwards supporter. I admired the fact that he followed up his "Two Americas" speech from the '04 campaign by actually spending his time and energy working with anti-poverty organizations. After he dropped out, I flirted with the idea of supporting Hillary, but I could never quite stomach the thought of voting for "Corporate Shill-ary Clinton." Not to mention, I have long been disgusted with the DLC's electoral strategy of triangulation. It seems that the DLC will be perpetually chasing the Republicans, attempting to move toward the "center," but never acknowledging (out loud, at least) that the neo-cons have been moving further and further to the right to the point that John Birch looks like a liberal. Do you know the passage in Dante's Inferno in which the souls of cowards, who live on the banks of the Acheron, eternally chase a meaningless banner, all the while being stung by flies and wasps and being fed upon by maggots? That's the DLC for you.
Anyway, I'm an Obama supporter now. I think he has given the vast numbers of progressives in this country a reason to come out of hiding and go to the polls. He (and Dean) have put all 50 states back in play. I just hope that everyone realizes that the real work begins *after* the election. If we expect to kick back and let Obama do all the work, we will be sadly disappointed. I believe Obama is receptive to progressive ideas, but that doesn't mean we won't have to give him and Congress an enormous push to move this country back in the right direction. My two cents...

[janet118]

172. You must be reading my mail ...

:toast:

[apocalypsehow]

76. K & R.

[bjobotts]

77. Millions of democratic voters are just so full of shit for wanting her to continue.

[bjobotts]

78. You left out of your pan of her op-ed where she says she will fight for Obama

[bjobotts]

79. Obama must be stupid for not making all the points you're making huh?

[bjobotts]

80. I think Obama would tell you your full of shit and are pushing hate and anger.

[bjobotts]

81. Thank God Obama isn't as petty as the comments here. Trust his lead.

[Ken Burch]

95. Which is meaningless since it's her attacks on him that let McCain back into the race

She should only have run a positive campaign after Super Tuesday, since we've all known since then that she couldn't be nominated without undemocratic right-wing trickery like in Chicago '68.

[Raineyb]

175. What difference would it make?

HRC has no credibility.

Regards

[dailykoff]

84. Interesting that the Times didn't run it.

They used to be her biggest boosters. Hmm..

[defendandprotect]

85. Seemingly, obsession moves into delusion . . . ????

HRC seems to only be able to hear her own thoughts ---

[LaStrega]

90. And another rat jumps the sinking ship:

5/23/08 - Switched Rep. Dennis Cardoza (CA) from Clinton to Obama

:bounce: :woohoo:

[hfojvt]

91. she's wrong about winning the swing states

the states with the smallest margins in 2000 and 2004 in the Republican camp were - Iowa, New Mexico, Ohio, Nevada, Colorado, Florida, Missouri, Virginia, and 2000 only Arkansas, West Virginia, and Louisiana.

Of those, Obama won Iowa, Colorado, Virginia, and Louisiana. Clinton won Ohio, Florida (with no campaign), Arkansas and West Virginia. They basically tied in New Mexico, Missouri and Nevada. So both their records are 4-4-3.

On the other hand, of the swing states that Democrats barely won in 2004 and 2000 - Wisconsin, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Minnesota and Oregon. Obama won Wisconsin, Minnesota and Oregon. Hillary won Pennsylvania and Michigan. New Hampshire was close to a tie, but really Hillary lost since 61% in New Hampshire voted for "Not Hillary". Her "victory" in Michigan was pretty unspectacular too since she was the only major candidate on the ballot and still only drew 55%. At best though, they were both 3-3.

[dailykoff]

101. "flies in the face of everything I stand for -

and everything I am fighting for." Hmmmm.. that would be Hillary Clinton, correct?

[Lugnut]

103. You're over, Hillary.

Go away.

[McCamy Taylor]

104. Prosense, why do you hate the Democratic Party so much?

Our enemies have always sought to divide us along lines of gender, race, religion, language, ethnicity, national origin. The one thing they have had in common in the language of

H-A-T-E .

Our heroes have been those like Dr. King, Cesar Chavez, FDR who have sought to unite us. Solidarity is our strength. Your actions attack our greatest strength and make us weak.

[Major Hogwash]

141. Who brought up assassinating Obama? Terry McAwful and Hillary!!!

You talk about hate like you have never seen it spewed from the Hillary camp.
Bubba spewed like a racist piece of shit from the getgo, "he's no MLK" - and that was just before MLK's birthday in January.

There is far, far more but, there is no sense in going over it now.
There will be entire books written about the self-destruction of the Hillary campaign.

[ProSense]

154. You have a lot of nerve after all your pro-Hillary, anti-Obama bullshit

As for money scandal, who says that Democratic leadership gives a rat's ass if the nominee is connected with the mob or dirty money or any kind of corruption in Chicago? Having powerful, corrupt, ruthless friends might make Obama seem like a stronger candidate than Clinton who is currently broke. They might figure his buddies at the top will be quicker to close ranks and send out suitcases of cash behind the scenes to take care of unexpected problems. That is the way politics really works. We all know that the new kind of politics talk is just for the rubes at home.

Idiocy!

[Bette Noir]

106. The woman needs medical help.

Urgently.

[Grinchie]

110. I am running because I believe staying in this race will help unite the Democratic Party

You know what, Hillary is absolutely right!

She will stay in this race and help the entire Democratic Party unite against the Clintons and all of the DLC, Blue Dogs, Liebermens, Mike Espy's, Mark Penn's, Wolfsons, McAulliffes, Bayehs and all of the rest of the Corporate Republican Lite wannabe's.

They can go back home, and have a nice dinner of GMO Corn, and have BBQ Chicken fresh from a Factory Farm, where they pay the workers nothing.

Hillary = FAIL (Epic)

[indimuse]

119. ProSence = NON-Sence!

you lose again! SYATC...B!

[ExPatLeftist]

131. It must be sad

to not be able to repudiate a mathematical analysis on the merits and have to resort to some lame name-calling. And then claim that the person who actually put some work into their post "loses".

What grade are you in?

Sorry, perhaps I should reply to your post on your level:

"indimuse = poopyhead. U R teh loose! XYZPDQ....G!"

Is that better?

[rucky]

147. Did Lirwin move into your basement? n/t

[glowing]

122. Why can't she just say "I'm sorry". Her apology makes it seem like its our

fault for even being upset about the comment.. Is she so like bush that she doesn't understand what's really going on.. I don't get it.

[Maineman]

127. She is indeed like Bush, in many many ways.

Lives in fantacy land.
Poorly organized.
Dishonest. Deceitful. Devious.
Arrogant assumptions about the ease of winning.
Did not plan beyond super Tuesday (Did not plan beyond shock and awe)
Stay the course in campaign (Stay the course in Iraq)
Focused on power.
Focused on self.
Leading supporters off a cliff, leading Dem party off a cliff. (Leading nation off a cliff)
Creating really big debts for campaign. (Creating massive national debt)
Divisive, very divisive.
Destructive influence.
True believers - that she is a stronger candidate. (That he is was selected by god to fight a war on terror)

[NJmaverick]

123. It begs the question; Would you want someone with such a weak grasp

on reality, as your President?

[Voltaire99]

126. Thank you, Hillary!

I love watching her self-destruct. What a spectacle: the completeness, the intricacy of the meltdown.

It's a big, shiny present to all of us who have despised the right wing nature of Clintonism for years.

Keep fighting, Hilly. Stay in it until the bitter end, babe! Ha ha ha!

[Yotun]

129. Delegate math is simple, popular vote math IS MEANINGLESS POLITICING WITH NO LOGIC

That she is STILL using the bullshit popular vote argument is proof enough of what a vile and disgusting human being she is, willing to trick mathematically challenged people into violating democracy.

[tomp]

133. no one should be surprised ...

...when she pulls a lieberman and runs as an independent.

[undeterred]

134. Delusional crap and lies is standard fare in politics.

Its only when we see something else that its newsworthy :shrug:

[Gman]

135. It is Hillary's right as an American to run for as long as she is able to

So get over it.

[ExPatLeftist]

139. STRAWMAN: No one denies your lame point.

It absolutely is her right to stay in the race as long as she wants. I have heard exactly ZERO people claiming otherwise.

The question is, is that what is best for the party? Is her tearing down of the person that WILL be the nominee helping the Democratic party to win in November?

You seem to be hung up on the black and white notion that either something is OK because it is "her right" or it is not OK because it is somehow illegal. We all know it is her right, and no one is having any trouble dealing with that. What you seem not to see is the gray area in between that includes "little" things like what is best for the party and ethics. It always cracks me up when people try to ignorantly spin a statement of dissatisfaction as some kind of call to strip her rights or arrest her or something ridiculous like that. In other words, nice lameass strawman you've got there.

You also seem to ignore the fact that while it is her right to stay in the race, it is also the right of everyone else to say, or even shout, their opinion of the matter. "It's their right"... :eyes:

BTW: She has LOST, no matter how long she stays around. "So get over it".

[Gman]

143. I think you need to learn what a Straw Man argument is

Hillary can run for as long as she feels like it. I'm all in favor of her taking it to the convention and beyond because Hillary is the best candidate and she is the best for the party and the country.

Go back to school or quit using terms you don't understand. There's plenty of people here that would deny her the right to continue running had they the opportunity. So don't start with that crap about zero people denying her the right.

[ExPatLeftist]

157. Wrong. The Straw Man fallacy defined for you:

The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position. This sort of "reasoning" has the following pattern:

1. Person A has position X.
2. Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X).
3. Person B attacks position Y.
4. Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed.

This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because attacking a distorted version of a position simply does not constitute an attack on the position itself. One might as well expect an attack on a poor drawing of a person to hurt the person.

from http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/straw-man.html

In this particular case, YOUR illogical and fallacious Straw Man argument is that Hillary has the RIGHT to continue, presented as if people here are actually claiming that she does not have the RIGHT. NO ONE that I have heard is making that argument, but you use it as a STRAW MAN to make the point that she does, in fact, have the right - which no one is disputing. Another point about logic: You need to back up your argument with sources. You CLAIM that "plenty of people here would deny her the RIGHT to continue running". I want some links, because I am calling bullshit on your Straw Man, so a proper response, if you were actually trying to argue that it is not a Straw Man would be to provide some proof rather than turning to another fallacy (Ad Hominem attack: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html) basically saying "Nu-UH, you STOOPID! Go to skool!". So let's see your evidence.

No one is arguing that Clinton does not have the RIGHT to run, they are saying that they think she should DROP OUT. Two completely different things. Can you see the difference? I really mean that as a question, because you seem completely incapable of seeing the difference between stripping someone's rights and stating an opinion. Is the fact that I think that you should study fallacies more closely and that I express that opinion the same as me stating that you are in violation of the law and need to be legally forced to study fallacies?

So prop up your Straw Man with concrete links to "plenty of people here" arguing that Clinton does not have the legal right to continue, or we will know your "argument" for what it is.

Yes, Hillary is legally allowed to run as long as she wants. I have seen NO ONE argue against that. What people have said is that it is not what is best for the party, and I would argue also that it is tarnishing her image, perhaps irreparably. See that? Nothing about her "not having the right". Obviously (unless you provide "plenty of" links), your argument is therefore "distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented" and therefore a Straw Man.

BTW Despite your personal opinion that she would be the best candidate for the party, she is not and will not be the nominee this year. So I hope you get behind the actual nominee and join us in taking back the White House for the Democrats.

[Gman]

159. Well, let's see now...

How about:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2925314

or

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6104318&mesg_id=6104342

or

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=3296689&mesg_id=3296696

or

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6065288

It's really very simple.. just use the search function here. Just search on "fuck Hillary" (in quotes) or just fuck Hillary without the quotes and the intent is pretty clear here about Hillary and her right to run. No straw man. Just facts.

But, I wouldn't expect you to get it. So don't hurt yourself trying.

---------------------

on another edit...

Here's a good one from the Home Page today: She's Disgusting
It's amazing the shit you will find from people who think they're Democrats but who don't have a clue about the Democratic Party.

[ExPatLeftist]

162. You are clueless. Not ONE of those threads supports your Straw Man

argument that people are arguing that Hillary does not have THE RIGHT to continue. How in the world does "F*** Hillary" support that at all?

As I have said now a couple of times, stating an opinion about Hillary and arguing that she does not LEGALLY HAVE THE RIGHT to continue the race are two very different things. Do you honestly not get the difference?


But then, I think I am wasting my time here discussing this with someone who has no concept of logic. She has the RIGHT to continue - that is a legal FACT. She shouldn't - that is my opinion. Every thing you linked to was a statement of opinion, and you were arguing against an unrelated fact, a position that no one here has taken.

No one is arguing that she does not have the right to continue. As I stated in my first post to you, and which you still do not comprehend.

[Gman]

165. You're argument is the typical Bushistic Obamabot answer

Nobody is ever as stupid as Bush thinks or even Obama thinks.

You're hopeless.

[ExPatLeftist]

166. And.... Back to Ad Hominem.

Bye.

[Perry Logan]

145. I could just claw her eyes out!

PLAY OBAMA GOLF!

from http://www.correntewire.com/obama_golf

The rules are simple, and any number can play. To win, change an innocuous Hillary statement into a wankfest-worthy statement in the fewest number of strokes:

Hillary says “We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California.”

0. “Assassinated”

1. Black leaders have been assassinated

2. Obama is a black leader

3. She was talking about assassinating Obama

Three strokes, total. (“Teeing up” the initial trigger word does not count as a stroke).

The first player/team takes quote out of any statement by Hillary (or Bill, any campaign staff member,prominent supporter or anyone else you deem worthy of defamation and vilification) and the second player/team has to transmogrify it to an offensive statement or slur about Barack Obama in the fewest possible number of strokes.

The first “stroke” must have a semi-logical connection to the “tee” and each successive stroke must do the same to the stroke immediately preceding it

After an agreed upon number of turns, the player/team with the lowest score wins that round.

Let’s try another example:

“Buenas noches! It is wonderful to be here,” Sen. Hillary Clinton said this evening after touching down in Puerto Rico.

0. Buenas noches

1. Spanish for “good night”

2. Night is dark

3. “Darkie” is a racial slur used to refer to blacks

4. Obama is black

5. Hillary was dogwhistling a racial slur directed at Obama.

Five strokes.

See how easy it is?
And here's a four-stroker I did myself:

Hillary says, "I'm Hillary Clinton."

1. Clinton is the name of a President.
2. Lincoln was a President.
3. Lincoln was assassinated.
4. Once again, Hillary has raised the specter of assassination in her ruthless pursuit of power.

Now let the wankfest begin...

[Doityourself]

148. Hillary jacked herself up...

[rucky]

146. Why can't she close the deal?

[still_one]

150. What merits? Her IWR vote? Her Kyle/Liberman ammendment for? sure....... /nt

[Evergreen Emerald]

153. another in-depth argument from an unbiased source

oh brother.

[ExPatLeftist]

158. Refute it then.

Or are you only capable of attacking the source?

Disagree with the math? It should be VERY easy to dispute it.

That is, if you have any interest in the TRUTH. Seems like you just like to post one-line whines and then run off.

You are aware, I hope, that after reading an in-depth analysis, the best course to refute that analysis is not to simply say, "Nuh-UH!!", aren't you?

What exactly are you hoping to accomplish, other than making yourself look immature and illogical?

[ProSense]

171. Perfect. n/t

[sce56]

155. In her own words via SNL

In her own words via SNL
1st "I'm a sore loser"
2nd "My supporters are racist"
3rd "I have no ethical standards"



That was a brutal clip from three weeks ago!

[MilesColtrane]

161. She's either a liar, or she's delusional.

I've had enough of those kinds of people running this country.

[IndianaGreen]

163. Written in the style of a Josef Goebbels

On September 1, 1939, Hitler told the Reichstag that Poland had attacked Germany and that German forces were repelling the invader. The sheep believed him!

[MethuenProgressive]

168. There certainly is "delusional crap" in many of the above posts.

None of which was authored by Senator Clinton or her supporters.

[ProSense]

169. Bill debunks Hillary

May 27, 2008

Effectively over

The Clintons have been arguing lately that Bill didn't lock up the nomination until 1992, something the Times debunked at some length today.

But Taegan Goddard notes that Bill himself debunked it more tersely in his autobiography:

On April 7, we also won in Kansas, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. On April 9, Paul Tsongas announced that he would not reenter the race. The fight for the nomination was effectively over.

[Generator]

173. Obama needs to get out

the stakes and garlic.