Is it finally time to cut the cord on the DLC ?

[kentuck]

It's been a long and tedious relationship. There are arguments for and against the DLC. They gave us the first 2-term Democratic President since FDR. We had prosperity and peace for 8 years under President Bill Clinton. We had a record number of jobs created. What more could we want?? Why can we not appreciate that?

On the other hand, some Democrats say look at what we lost. We became a more conservative Party. We sacrificed historical liberal Democratic principles. We lost both the House and Senate while Bill Clinton was the President. Some will even say that the Democratic Party lost its soul. Was it worth it?

Now, we have a new star in the Party. We have a chance to start anew. We can rebuild our Party without the conservative and restrictive hold by the DLC. So the question arises: Should Obama choose Hillary as his VP? If he does, then the DLC will maintain power and will dictate, to a large degree, the direction our Party will go in the next 4 years - if we are fortunate enough to win the election in November.

Or do we simply say "No". It is time to move on. We want a different type of Party. Although we appreciate the good numbers and the good economy under Bill Clinton, everything accomplished was only a temporary illusion. Nothing was permanent. There was not really that much that changed. We expect more from our Party. We want a return to the Party of the People - not the Party of Corporate Interests and the Wealthy. We want a more just Party, in laws and economy. We want someone that will guard our Constitution as if it were more than just a piece of paper.

It's time to go forward. In doing so, it is time for Bill and Hillary and the DLC to step aside and permit new leaders the opportunity to offer a new vision for America. Because they have no vision. Just as we supported them in 1992 and 1996, even though we disagreed with many of their policies, it is now time for them to support the new leadership. Or they can fight to the death and destruction of our Party. Many of us can no longer support the continuation of DLC supremacy within our Party. It is your decision. You can march with us, just as we have marched with you. Or you can whine and complain and withdraw from the process. That is up to you.

[yurbud]

1. if the cord is around their neck, no. If they are hanging off a cliff by the cord, yes.

[dchill]

3. Very good!

Rich, yet smooth and snarky. :)

[Individualist]

23. Hear, hear!

It's way past time to be rid of that subversive organization!

[SwampG8r]

38. man that was such a super snark i even got singed

and i was over in GD:Basketweaving

[yurbud]

51. I think of it as GD: troll park

No actual people allowed to post, just paid trolls who think the mindless bumperstickers that pass for debate on tv are going to fool anyone here.

[Radical Activist]

2. It has never been a two way street with the DLC corporate crowd.

Liberals are supposed to give DLC candidates their full efforts but they do nothing or actively fight against liberal Democrats. Its time to have some primary battles.

[WA98296]

4. Overdue. Long overdue.

[gaiilonfong]

6. DITTO DITTO n/t

[Swamp Rat]

5. Once the beast is dead, yes.

DLC = The Left Arm of PNAC

[Unkguy]

7. seeing as hillary is more liberal than obama, i don't see where you get this

[dchill]

9. She plays one on TV.

Gut check time.

[kentuck]

10. You just need to look a little harder...

The Goldwater girl may not be as "liberal" as you think?

[Unkguy]

11. better a goldwater girl than a farrakan hamas boy

[kentuck]

13. What the hell are you talking about??!!

Explain before you magically disappear?

[Alexander]

54. Too late. Another racist Shillbot bites the dust.

[cliffordu]

14. I love Pizza!!!! Be sure to let the mods know what you want on yours...

And welcome back to DU!!!

[Voltaire]

26. This is a fucking idiot talking to me. . .

get thee gone, silly Hillbot

[billyoc]

47. Wrong.

[kid a]

12. welcome to DU

[mod mom]

43. Seeing Bill and Hillary are both more CORPORATE than Obama it makes sense

that folks who have spent the most time looking at the records have rejected Hillary. (Think Kos, Huff Po, the Nation, and here at DU)

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

48. How is Hillary more liberal than Obama when she is DLC and he is not?

Please do explain this to me because frankly I think you're full of shit!!

[dchill]

8. Schumer (DLC) + Feinstein (DLC) = Mukasey

Cut it.

[mod mom]

44. and how it that work out for democracy?

[Ichingcarpenter]

15. The 2010 election will be the year in which

will decide the ultimate fate of the DLC.

Progressives Candidates for the House and Senate are making
great inroads into the system, but I'm afraid since the primary
for President have lasted too long, the gains will not be as great
as they could have been.

[kentuck]

16. Iching, do you think the DLC has been good or bad for our Party?

and our country?

[Ichingcarpenter]

20. Bad...... it allowed this playground to happen

which lead this country down a disastrous road of War and almost Absolute Corporatism.

[kentuck]

22. I agree.

Time for the DLC and all its surrogates, including Hillary, to step aside for the good of the Party.

[Ichingcarpenter]

25. Odd or Ironic but that Playground is in

NY CITY.

These guys aren't George Washington, they are more like
any other punk in history, that got a hold on power. Only honest elections
and the truth will get rid of them, they wouldn't step aside,
too much money and power are involved..

[AntiFascist]

45. Succinct and right on point....K&R

Don't forget the culture of corruption ala the Sibel Edmonds case.

[Califooyah Operative]

17. Yes. nt

[Khaotic]

18. DLC = Squish Just Like Grape

The success of the DLC in the 90s was basically the same as Pres. Clinton's success, which in my mind was summed up by saying that he wanted to do good by all of the people all of the time.

That seemed like a good quality, until you look at all of the people.

This includes thugs and lowlifes, wealthy CEOs and those striking under the table deals to keep inspectors from seeing their misdeeds.

Yes, it's about caring for the poor, but it's also about rubbing elbows w/ the elite.

Somehow, the DLC became a true 'have your cake and eat it too' organization.

Real progressive Democrats know that it doesn't come both ways.

It like Mister Miyagi say ...

Walk on road, hm? Walk left side, safe. Walk right side, safe. Walk middle, sooner or later get squish just like grape.

Time to throw away the DLC and their squished grape mantra. The 50-State Strategy is the way to go and that's why the Democrats did well in 2006. It is also how we can win the White House in '08.

Bye bye DLC.

[monmouth]

19. That Hillbot poster has 11 posts. Gotta brush him off your shoulder...

[patrice]

21. Yes. I've been tired for a very long time of being told that my state doesn't matter. nt

[L0oniX]

24. A DLC abortion is way over due.

[The River]

27. No Need To Cut The Cord

it's coming unraveled on it's own accord.
Hillary is doing to the DLC brand what
*bush did to the Republican brand.

[backscatter712]

28. THUMP-THUMP!!! Throw the DLC under the bus!

If they make the Democratic Party act like Republicans, we'll only get out-Republicaned by the Republicans - it's a losing strategy.

[kentuck]

29. It's gotten to the point where either they go or I go?

Screw Al From, Bill Clinton, and the DLC! Yes, I can go. No big deal.

[yardwork]

30. Yes.

[Norrin Radd]

31. Yep

[Enrique]

32. Hillary and Obama are equally DLC

their policies are nearly identical.

[kentuck]

36. I think we should be careful at labeling all DLCers as "identical"...

Many are there, out of necessity, as were you and I when we voted for the Democrats in the 1990's. That does not make us all firm believers in the DLC and neither does it make all Congressmen and Senators that voted with the DLC firm believers either. I think many are looking for a change and a different direction. Unlike Republicans, we are not comfortable with building up a hierarchy within the aristocracy, each waiting for their turn to be the king or the queen or the President.

[Khaotic]

40. Are you high?

[billyoc]

50. Obama demanded his name be removed from the DLC list.

Hillary is part of the DLC leadership that put it there.

But yes, other than that, they're identical. :eyes:

[LWolf]

33. It was time to cut the cord

in the 1990s, imo.

As long as we're "cutting the cord," let's include the centrist/corporatists who aren't members of the dlc: those who don't carry the label, but work to carry out the agenda.

[Downtown Hound]

34. It's long past time. n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

35. With Hillary's undaunted help they're doing a fine job of committing political suicide.

I, for one, wish them every success in that endeavor.

[americanstranger]

37. Long past time.

They think they're so big and bad, let 'em go start their own damn party.

- as

[kentuck]

39. They think that is what they did??

When they got the rest of the Democratic Party to accept their philosophy of "winning " elections..

[Khaotic]

41. '00, '02, and '04 did them in

2006 was a departure from the DLC mantra.

Hello 50-State-Strategy, goodbye DLC!

[mod mom]

42. I see the rejection of Hillary Clinton as a stand AGAINST THE DLC AND CORPORATE DEMS in general.

I thought it was interesting the Rahm Emmanuel was smart enough to see the writing on the wall & has not endorsed HRC.

[newmajority]

49. I think Rahm is doing the same thing Bobby Kennedy Jr is doing......

Anticipating an open senate seat. Granted, Emmanuel doesn't have any historical claim on Obama's seat like Bobby does on Hillary's, but it's not much of a secret that he would love to see the job opening.

[billyoc]

46. DLC delende est. nt

[dreamnightwind]

52. Yes, better late than never...

It's past time. Many people feel that Democrats stand for nothing. The DLC wing of the party is what causes them to look at Dems that way.

Now that the Obama campaign has shown that an inspiring candidate can raise more money from small donations given by ordinary citizens than a corporate-funded DLC candidate, the rationale for the DLC, corporate fund-raising, is no longer valid.

We can win on our own, and we must, if we're to have a Democratic party that can and will make the changes necessary in this country.

[anonymous171]

53. Agreed. The DLC has become obsolete.

[scarletwoman]

55. For as long as I've been on DU, I've been calling for the death of the DLC.

I will continue to do so until they are gone.

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