Looks like the real world doesn't care about the RFK comments

[Austinitis]

Not that the people here did either, since it was all pretend anger, but this proves my point. Hillary's numbers are actually up in our first data back since after the comments. In fact, her numbers are back to where they were on May 4th, before NC and IN. So despite the entire media establishment trying to drag her down, Obama still can't finish the job.




So I'm going to wait for the popular vote to come in before I declare this thing over...

[Swamp Rat]

1. "since it was all pretend anger, but this proves my point"

:rofl:

Hillary's campaign is over.

[Austinitis]

4. Then why can't Obama's finish the job?

Answer: A lot of America doesn't want him and doesn't like your kool-aid...

[Swamp Rat]

12. Hillary's campaign is over.

:)

[saltpoint]

13. A majority of delegates belong to Obama. More commit to his candidacy

by the hour. He's 52 or 53 away from clinching the nomination in Denver. Check in after Tuesday or Wednesday of the coming week. You'll see that magic number grow smaller still.

I doubt if Ted Kennedy, Russ Feingold, and Patrick Leahy, for example, consider themselves kool-aid drinkers.

In fact, your opinion and your vote = 1. Same as theirs.

Obama leads John McCain in Virginia and Pennsylvania right now. A long-time Republican stronghold and a swing state. Not bad.

[Gore1FL]

14. Gosh... I thought Hillary said it was normal not to finish the job until June

Are you calling her a liar?

[Butch350]

26. 4. Then why can't Obama's finish the job?

You're just jealous!

[otohara]

46. Wrong Answer

he went up against the Clinton machine - Christ the guy started out at 17% and now he's going to be the nominee. So give it up and support our nominee.

[stevedeshazer]

2. Why can't HILLARY finish the job?

After all, she was presumed to easily win the nomination on February 5th, the date of the 'super-primary'.

Nice frame, but sorry, I don't buy it.

Why did every morning political show lead with this story?

Your campaign's damage control isn't working.

[Orangepeel]

5. She was finished on February 20.

[Austinitis]

10. Obama's been losing since late Feb

He's been winning fewer states, fewer votes, and fewer delegates for the last three months. And that's despite the fact that

1) The media's consistently been a pawn of the Obama campaign for months;

2) Major Hillary states (MI and FL) were thrown out

3) Obama's college students can go to caucuses that discriminate against shift workers, parents, etc.

[Gore1FL]

17. If he has been losing since February

how did he manage to pick up more pledged delegates than her in March and April?

[Austinitis]

20. He didn't.

[Gore1FL]

35. What numbers are you looking at?

March 4, 2008 Obama 182 Clinton 188
March 8, 2008 Obama 7 Clinton 5
March 11, 2008 Obama 20 Clinton 13

Totals for March: Obama 209 Clinton 206

209 > 206 March goes to Obama

I will grant you that since PA was the only contest in April, she won that month.

I stand corrected on the second part, but have shown that she lost March.

The bottom line is this: He netted 140 in the month that the majority of delegates were up for grabs.
He netted 3 in the month with the second highest number of delegates available.

In April and May, she has managed to only close that gap by 22.

Your argument is along the lines of: "I know the Cardinals score 22 runs in the first inning, but since then, they scored nothing and the cubs have scored 1 run an inning. Why don't the Cubs get the win because of their strong finish?"

[TheWraith]

38. Yes, he did. Are facts not facts in your world? Try reading the news.

[patrice]

19. If their patriotic duty was important enough to them, most of 3) would get to the caucuses.

If Obama were the one proposing that rules that were agreed to ahead of time for 2) should be completely ignored, you would be complaining about that, instead of pushing HC to do it.

[Austinitis]

21. That's a great justification for a poll tax

'If their duty is important enough to them, they'll get the money they need to pay the tax!"

[patrice]

25. There ARE things about the process that need to be changed.Throwing out caucuses in the middle of a

process with which everyone agreed at the start is NOT a fix.

[patrice]

29. Why are you trying to make my state 0 . . .?

[Austinitis]

32. I'm not - I want it to count in the popular vote tally

We should use the estimates for caucus states.

[patrice]

33. Were the methodologies of those "estimates" agreed upon by the rules committe ahead of time?

If not, my state wasn't represented nor consulted; you ARE trying to turn us into 0s.

[patrice]

22. The media were slobbering all over themselves about how pResidential HC was when this all started.

[TheWraith]

39. Funny, caucuses weren't undemocratic until Clinton started losing them.

Just like the Clinton campaign was all fuzzy and warm about punishing FL and MI for their rulebreaking until they decided they needed the votes, and suddenly one-candidate elections became a-okay.

And by the way, in case you're just entirely out of touch with reality, employers are legally obligated to give their employees time to go vote, even if they're in the middle of a shift.

[otohara]

47. Major Hillary States -

why was that? I say WAS, because that was a long time ago - Clinton's well known name brand, had huge leads - had Obama campaigned there, it would have been close, especially in MI

[Kittycat]

3. Popular Vote doesn't matter when Caucuses are involved. Quit trying to negate legitimate contests

Sore Loser.

ETA: PS... She's still losing in that graph, so what's your point?

[dcindian]

6. Odd she seems to be losing..... didn't you mean to post the graph with the pink sky?

Not sure where you are coming from here, since the graph continues to show a countries rejection of Hillary's hateful campaign.

[casus belli]

7. Going down with the ship? How very noble of you. n/t

[Benhurst]

8. To be fair, neither Clinton nor Obama has been able to finish the job.

Our nominee, whether Clinton, Obama or a compromise choice, will have to be dragged over the finish line by unelected super delegates.

[WillyT]

9. You Wouldn't Know The Real World If It Came Up And Bit You On The Ass !!!

:wtf:

[saltpoint]

11. County Democratic organizatons -- I'm talking about the folks who stuff

the envelopes, make the calls, and walk door-to-door for Democratics at all levels of the ballot --

are not a statistical "real world" majority, but they all know the score on what's what in this campaign.

A more instructive poll would be to ask the if before and after her RFK example they feel she would be a plus or minus to down-ballot Democrats.

Senator Clinton's apology for her remarks, such as it was, is an indication that she and her handlers know an apology was required.

Any hard-bitten realist of any political stripe knows that circling vultures indicate peril on the ground.

[patrice]

15. Though I respect RFK's thoughts on the matter, tomethis is about my relationship to the candidates,

not his.

[MattNC]

16. "the real world"

doesn't care about half the stuff discussed on GD:P or the rest of the blogosphere.

[MadBadger]

18. The Real World isnt paying attention on Memorial Day Weekend.

[Austinitis]

24. I said that when this first broke.

But it's also due to the fact that a lot of the MSM has finally realized that this isn't a big deal:


http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=203F9A7D-3048-5C12-00F893045DC51923


***But it was also clear that Clinton’s error was not in saying something beyond the pale but in saying something that pulled from context would sound as if it were beyond the pale. ***

[Butch350]

23. Looks like the real world doesn't care

Good for her! Of course it really doesn't matter any more now does it?

[Austinitis]

27. The comment was never offensive in the first place

It's just satisfying for me to see the Obama people work themselves into a tizzy and then not have it mean anything...

[patrice]

31. I'd bet money it was trolls on both sides trying to make the other look bad. nt

[smiley_glad_hands]

52. Sort of like bittergate? BTW, you are seriously delusional. eom

[dchill]

28. Behind isn't ahead...

Why can't Hillary close the deal? That's the question you need to address.

[patrice]

30. P.S.I'm against HC because almost no one in my state will vote for her.

Relative to that fact, what she said/meant doesn't matter that much.

[GoldieAZ49]

34. It was lame and pathetic "outrage"

As if they think it would not have gone to the convention regardless

[Hamlette]

36. people who I thought were not following this election were outraged.

went to a party last night, smart people who are not that that political. Most of them voted for Clinton in the primary. All of them were talking about it all night. There were outraged. At her.

Same thing Friday night. Went out with folks who I thought were apolitical. Outraged and my phone has been ringing off the wall all weekend with people completely pissed off.

[mkultra]

37. or maybe they do

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html

[Austinitis]

42. Uh...

Those polls are actually from before the comment broke... I don't know what you think you can read into them...

Nice try though...

[mkultra]

49. these polls are current up to the 24th.

[mkultra]

53. silence equals ownage

thanks for playing. bye bye.

[shifting_sands]

40. I know this is hard for you

There are several problems here:

1. It was Clinton people on the ethics committee who wrote the rules and all candidates signed off on them before the primaries started, including Hillary.

2. In spite of the media hype because it was an easy story for them, they made it seem as if it was a contest for the popular vote, it was not. The primaries have always been about the delegate vote period and how the delegates were divided up goes back to the rules committee (see problem 1)

3. Hillary Clinton raised a quarter of a billion dollars and it is not only gone they are in debt to the tune of at least 21 million and it seems as if it's even more than that. She cannot manage her own campaign money, how is she going to manage the economic mess we have now in this country? Obama's campaign out performed her hands down and that would be a person I would be more inclined to trust.

4. She has shown absolutely zero respect or value for the Democratic Party, why on earth would I think she would show value or respect for the American People. We have a spoiled brat in the WH now, why do we want another?

[samsingh]

41. whether we care or not - the comments were not appropriate

and many of us are walking on eggshells with this constant fear.

[Vinca]

43. Explain that popular vote thing to me again.

How do you count the popular vote in caucus states that don't take one? If we're going to just make up numbers, I say we give Obama all of South America and Canada, too. What the hell. It's just numbers.

[FlyingSquirrel]

44. There's a delay, silly. The pollsters were all done asking before this happened.

You're gonna have to wait till next week to see the effect.

I'll give a little prediction, she'll probably drop about 5 points or so.

[totodeinhere]

45. With polls like that there is usually a lag time while the full effects of an event such as...

assassinationgate gate sink in with the public. Give it a few days and watch HRC's numbers plunge

[alwysdrunk]

48. How is it post-RFK

When she said it on Friday and it's only Sunday? ithe the 50 and the 45 from Saturday and this morning only?

[smiley_glad_hands]

50. LOL. You'll be waiting a long time because it will be decided by delegate count. eom

[grantcart]

51. There is no popular vote