If Hillary had dropped out a month ago, and "something" happened to Obama

[2rth2pwr]

the party would turn to Hillary as it's nominee. It doesn't even make sense that the reason she stays in is a hope for assassination, if that is really the "plan",

wouldn't it make more sense for her to endorse Barack and be seen as his biggest supporter when that occurs?

[americanstranger]

1. Yeah, but the Clinton 'brain-trust'

(such as it is) thought it was better to drop little hints that 'something' might happen.

Not too bright, that bunch.

- as

[Yael]

2. "When that occurs"?

:wtf:

Oh, and a month ago, she wasn't blowing "white people" and "assassination" dog whistles.

Its over.

[2rth2pwr]

3. No, a month ago she wasn't blowing white people.

[Yael]

9. Are you drunk?

Blowing white people? That doesn't even make sense.

[global1]

16. Are We Talking Hilliary or Monica Here?.......nt

[havocmom]

18. whistles - the rest of the sentence give context Like DOG WHISTLES

only this time, whistles for white racists to hear.

[Tellurian]

21. Your post #2 ..is that your analysis?

:rofl:

[lisa58]

4. Yes...

...and that is why her fight is ridiculous.

If she really, really believes that Obama can't win, she should have suspended her campaign before "throwing the kitchen sink" and let him screw up - she would have been the saviour of the party. They can nominate her at the convention and everyone would be happy.

The Superdelegates are not buying her argument or she would be getting more going her way (and not defecting). Richardson (Judas) declared because he didn't like Clinton's negative campaigning. As it is, the Superdelegates will probably do what Jimmy Carter is predicting, wait until after the primaries are done to declare for Obama - and they are doing that out of respect for Hillary.

[BlooInBloo]

5. We all agree that the stupidity of the tactic is sufficient proof that she shouldn't be President...

Thanks for coming over to the side of reason!

:hi:

[2rth2pwr]

6. No we don't. It's proof that it wasn't a tactic.

[lisa58]

11. It was a tactic inasmuch as it was supposed to....

...influence the Superdelegates (not saying he would be assissinated, but that assissinations happen) - I'm taking Hillary at her word that it was a bad way to make a point about the primary calendar (the Clintons have a way of using really bad references when they could make their point with less "drama" shall we say) - but it's not working.

If she had not gone negative and her argument proves true, that Obama screws up so much that he's unelectable, the party would hand her the nomination.

I just wish she hadn't gone so negative.

[BlooInBloo]

14. Then we agree that her inability to even speak well over and over disqualifies her.

i LOVE agreement!!! Woot! Unity!!!

:toast:

[2rth2pwr]

20. How would that be disqualifying?

[2rth2pwr]

30. oops. wrong post.

[Liberal Veteran]

7. Of course if (god forbid) an attempt is made on his life between now and the GE....

....the party would turn to Hillary in askance.

[Yael]

8. If an attempt was made, and the attempter said "Hillary told me to"

She will be an international pariah for the rest of her life.

[2rth2pwr]

10. People like you would believe him.

[Yael]

12. You don't think there are crazy people out there?

Like the nutjob that thought Jodie Foster would marry him if he offed Reagan?

This must be a glimpse of what living in Hillaryland looks like.

Frightening.

[2rth2pwr]

13. Did Jodie say something might "happen" to Reagan?

[quakerboy]

15. Yes

That is what makes her reasoning for staying in specious, and what makes her comment so unfortunate and, to be brutal, stupid for a long time experienced politician/public persona.

[Radical Activist]

17. Apply that logic to Hillary's reasons for staying in the race.

She says something bad could come out about Obama that could ruin his campaign. Well, if that were to happen then the party could still turn to Hillary as the nominee at the convention even if she had dropped out so that's no reason for her to stay in.

[DanTex]

19. You forget that Hillary left the land of logic and reason a long time ago.

True, the "potential assassination" rationale for staying in the race makes no sense.

Then again, the "popular vote" argument makes no sense either. But its not as morbid as talking about RFK being assassinated in June. Don't you think?

I mean, if she wants to go around spewing BS, she could at least be civil enough to do it without using the word "assassination".

[Tellurian]

22. It doesn't make sense because she was using the reference as a time frame..

a little too complicated for you to grasp.

Thanks for sharing your confusion.

[Shae]

29. You have no secret channel

into the working of Hillary's mind.
A timeline is not too complicated for anyone to grasp. Case in point: You have the ability to grasp it.
But just because you say it's a timeline doesn't necessarily make it so.
Thanks for sharing your bitterness.

[Ice-9]

23. I agree in part.

Your reasoning does help corroborate Senator Clinton's claim that, in saying what she did, she was simply pointing out that primary campaigns have frequently lasted into June. (Let's put aside for a moment that her claim is disingenuous as a historical matter.) As you say, if Clinton were really counting on some kind of calamity befalling the Obama campaign, then it would not make sense for her to remain in the race, because she could easily drop out and still jump back in to exploit that calamity if it occurred. It follows, I agree, that Senator Clinton is probably not staying in the race solely out of the expectation (or hope) that such a calamity will occur. There must be something else at work.

But that, I suspect, is where your thinking and my thinking diverge. If Senator Clinton is not staying in the race because "anything can happen," then why is she staying in the race? The alternative interpretation of her words is that she is staying in the race because history shows that primary contests have frequently lasted into June. But that is simply a historical fact; it is not a *reason* for staying in the race. (And it's not even a historical fact; the fact is that the primary calendar was much different in 1968 and 1992, so her reliance on that history is disingenuous at best. But again, let's put that aside for the moment.)

It also cannot be the case that she wants to stay in the race to make sure that "everyone gets to vote." Everyone is going to get to vote regardless of whether she drops out. She could easily suspend her campaign while urging her supporters to vote for her in the remaining contests. Moreover, she herself said in November that the contest was going to be over in February, so she has never really been interested in giving everyone a genuine opportunity to cast a vote in the primary process.

Finally, it cannot be the case that she is staying in the race because she hopes to sway remaining superdelegates with continued campaigning in the hopes of scoring an upset victory. The math makes it virtually impossible for her to win unless some kind of calamity befalls the Obama campaign. And as we have seen above, she could suspend her campaign and still exploit that calamity if it happened.

The only reason I can think of for Clinton to remain in the race is pure self-interest. She wants to bloody Obama up for the general election so that Senator McCain wins and she can run against the Republican nominee (presumably McCain won't seek reelection) in 2012. I know, it seems too machiavellian to believe, and maybe I'm just being uncharitable to her. But that's the only reason I can think of for her to stay in the race that still makes any sense.

[TahitiNut]

27. I agree. At this point, she's solely a "spoiler."

If (God forbid) "something happened" to Obama, she wouldn't have a snowball's chance in Hell of winning in November. The people can be stupid, but they don't reward OPPORTUNISTS who attempt to benefit from another's demise. Nixon was elected in 1968!

As a "spoiler" she's increasing the number of sycophantic zealots who'll stay home in November out of sheer pique. She STANDS FOR an entrenched opposition to Obama that transcends reason and political ideology. She's feeding a visceral and irrational resentment.

It's both personally self-serving AND a strategy by the corporatist wing of the Democratic party to FURTHER MARGINALIZE the liberal base ... the New Deal Democrats and the "activists" like Move-On.org ... to perpetuate the MYTH that "leftists can't be elected." While she really only represents about 30% of the Democratic party - the furthest 'right' - it's the continuation of a strategy that threatens a 2::1 calculus - folks that will vote GOP (and make a 2-vote difference) versus those who'll stay home or vote Green (and only make a 1-vote difference).

THAT CALCULUS has been the strategy of the corporatists for three decades ... pretending that the disgusted and disenfranchised and turned-off voters to the LEFT of the Democratic Party don't exist. Even more, THOSE folks are repeatedly and constantly told they're somewhere in the middle and they're even given a nice-sounding label: "moderates." They're not. They're truly liberals but that label has been soiled. When people say "both parties are the same" they're saying it from a perspective of being "over there" where the viewpoint IS that both parties are in the distance and indistinguishable. Social "wedge issues" are used to perpetuate this facade ... when the TRUE IDEOLOGY is economic.

Obama is only SLIGHTLY to the 'left' of Hillary ... but even THAT is too much for the corporatists - people who Al Gore calls "economic royalists" in his book, "Assault on Reason."

[Vinca]

24. Do you really want to continue the discussion of what would happen

if one of our candidates was murdered?

[Blue_Roses]

26. after what Hillary said...

she would be loathed in a much more vitriol fashion than she would ever see now.

People would blame her.

[Blue_Roses]

25. once again

you make no sense:crazy:

[2rth2pwr]

28. It's true there are some people who are impervious to the truth.

You may be on of them.


Don't worry, it's not a huge deal, you can still have a fairly normal life.