Bill Clinton: “I Have Never Seen a Candidate Treated So Disrespectfully”

[Hope And Change]

Bill Clinton: “I Have Never Seen a Candidate Treated So Disrespectfully”


Sunday, May 25th, 2008



The former President http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/05/bill-clinton-ha.html">blasts the “frantic effort” to push his wife out of the race.

Says in South Dakota Sunday: “I have never seen anything like it. I have never seen a candidate treated so disrespectfully just for running.”

Also slams media coverage of the race, says he feels as though he lives in a “fun house.”

http://thepage.time.com/2008/05/25/bill-clinton-i-have-never-seen-a-candidate-treated-so-disrespectfully/">Link

[neverforget]

1. They don't lose very well do they?

[virtualobserver]

12. When has any candidate ever whined their way into the White House?

It isn't even about winning anymore.

[Lerkfish]

120. no, and I foresee an even larger meltdown in the future.

[BlooInBloo]

2. Oh boy.

[Tatiana]

13. The finger.

Did it wag?

[BlooInBloo]

16. They really don't know when to stop.

[Catherina]

40. It wagged

:rofl:

[JVS]

Hey Bill!

[VeraAgnes]

164. That is simply awful .....

President Clinton was an excellent president.....shame on you....I expect this behavior from republicans but never from identified Democrats.........what a difference a day makes. This is not right.............you are making bad Karma friend.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

222. They are worse here than on Free Republic....

n/t

[Tatiana]

57. Should have known it was gonna be a whopper of a lie, then!

He always wags the finger right before. Seriously!

[ampad]

76. LOL

:rofl: Oh damn!

[Name removed]

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[populistdriven]

105. Stink Finger nt

[WeDidIt]

123. I'm thinking "yes:"

because Bill Clinton himself was far more disresspectful of Paul Tsongas and Jerry Brown in 1992 than anything that's happened in this race.

[burythehatchet]

155. I want break off that friking wagging finger.

[aaronbees]

159. I'm so damn tired of seeing that finger!!!!!! .... eom

[LaurenG]

3. Oh that is sad. Poor Bill

I'm sure from his perspective it was disrespectful. I think she gave as good or better than she got though.

[thereismore]

4. I used to love this man. Wag wag. nt

[Cha]

61. Wag the big dog..

[Tatiana]

66. Oh hell

:rofl:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

116. That's a keeper.

[Rageneau]

128. No you didn't. Because if you ever did, you still would. He has not changed a bit.

It is YOU and other Obama supporters, ostensibly liberal Democrats, who have changed. And for the worse.

You have adopted the tactics and the ethics of the Clinton-haters.

You have joined the hate-filled wingnuts. Have BECOME wingnuts.

Today, you people sound exactlky as bad (if not worse) than the worse Clinton-hating Freeper who ever lived.

[WeDidIt]

205. I agree, Clinton hasn't changed a bit

He's still every bit as much a known and proven liar as always.

[roguevalley]

214. and you can go fuck yourself. I lost two brothers over defending

that man and my brother had his last conversation with my mother on the phone fighting over this man, he being the asshat and my mother defending HER and HIM. She died before he could make up. SOME OF US ACTUALLY STUCK UP FOR THEM THROUGH THICK AND THIN SO FUCK YOURSELF! You also need to edit your damned post. exactly doesn't have an l and a k.

[vincenzoesq]

5. Fun House

or funny farm. I'm afraid Bill and Hill have both gone round the bend.

[NewHampshireDem]

6. From the' kitchen sink' to 'scorched earth' n/t

[thoughtcrime1984]

7. Feels as though he is living in a fun house

Why, is he having fun? Bill, zip it. You have been nasty this entire primary cycle.

[Renaissance Man]

110. Bill's version of fun.

Well, there's a special kind of fun that Bill likes in his funhouse. It usually doesn't include his wife, nor a pair of zipped pants.

[sellitman]

8. If he wanted to be a good husband.......

Oh never mind.

[Blue_Roses]

19. I'll say it then.

he would have never cheated on her and then lied about it. Of all the audacity.

[JaneQPublic]

39. Along those lines... I can think of one other time Hillary was treated more disrespectfully.

But then, to use Hillary's own words, if she can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

[Deja Q]

81. Kitchen? I thought it was the Oval Office.

Whoops, it was in the bedroom with the cigar, sorry...

[SwampG8r]

192. is the cigar included in clue yet?

would spice it up i think
col mustard with a cigar on miss plum

[Deja Q]

200. Mustard on a Plum, finger lickin' good!

:D

No cigar in "Clue" yet, but given the known effects of smoking, it's quite possible the cigar could become a weapon...

:rofl:

[LeFleur1]

130. I Think He Said

He had never seen a candidate who ran for office as disrespectfully.

I wouldn't expect you Obama supporters to see the point of anything. What are you going to do if Obama gets the nomination and then loses?
Attack the rest of America they way you've attacked Hillary Clinton, Bill, Chelsea and Hillary's supporters?

[JaneQPublic]

156. That's incorrect. Bill Clinton's quote via ABC News:

Bill Clinton in South Dakota today delivered a harsh critique of how his wife has been treated during her presidential bid, telling the crowd that he has "never seen a candidate treated so disrespectfully just for running."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/05/bill-clinton-ha.html

[eridani]

228. Seems to me that when she started running she was touted as"inevitable"

--and was 30 points up over all the competition.

[roguevalley]

215. better question, tool. what if he gets the nomination (he will) and he

wins (he will)? Go and get a life. attacking these tools? they are eating themselves.

[Raine]

122. Yeah old Bill should know about disrespecting

Hillary the way he screwed around on her making her into a laughingstock and humiliating her. :-(

[Blue_Roses]

9. this is the kind of shit

that turns people off. Will he just stop already:crazy:

[ericgtr]

10. The last stand of a once great man dwindled down to a pathetic political hack

Sad.

[apocalypsehow]

11. Poor losers. History will judge their racist, contemptible behavior in this campaign very harshly.

:thumbsdown:

[RichardRay]

14. Max Cleland?

Does that name mean anything to him?

[blogslut]

46. Not to mention John Kerry

and of course, Albert Gore.

[hfojvt]

55. and Dean, Edwards, etc., etc., etc.

but this is different. How dare they not genuflect before the Tsarina.

[mod mom]

127. what about Don Siegelman? He ended up in federal prison but the Clinton's think

they took the cake? sheesh :eyes:

[gateley]

53. Did Clinton play a part in the Max Cleland issue? Thanks. nt

[RichardRay]

71. Nope, but what he said was: " I have never seen a candidate

treated so disrepectfully..."

The disrespect heaped on Max Cleland and the sheer meanness of the behavior towards him dwarfs anything aimed at Senator Clinton.

[gateley]

95. Ah. Got it -- glad I asked. Thanks! nt

[cornermouse]

134. Max Cleland was attacked by republicans.

Hillary has been attacked by fellow democrats. Perhaps that's the real difference.

[Cha]

72. No, it's all about hilary... They didn't give a shit about Max

Cleland, John Kerry, Al Gore, Especially Howard Dean, or how they diss Obama.

Nope, just about little hilary and how far her sack o' shit lies will take them.

[WA98296]

107. My god, so true, what that man went through was a disgrace.

[Vinca]

15. Whining is so unbecoming. nt

[Mme. Defarge]

17. "Curly Bill!

Come on now... Hand those over, Curly. Hand 'em over."

"Why, sure, Dad. I'm only funnin'."

http://www.script-o-rama.com/movie_scripts/t/tombstone-script-transcript-val-kilmer.html.html

[City Lights]

18. I've got a finger of my own I'd like to show you, Bill.

If you and your wife can't stand the heat, ya'll should get out of the kitchen.

[Cha]

84. Precisely, No Surrender.. The heat is too way too hot for whiny

a$$ liars who're sinking in their own campaign faster than you can say "quicksand!".

[RooferDem]

20. Death and taxes.

You see this sort of stuff pretty frequently from dying campaigns if the contest has been bitter.

[nichomachus]

21. Respect needs to be earned, Bill.

[RelativelyJones]

22. He owes her.

[L0oniX]

23. G0d knows where that finger has been.

:evilgrin:

[Deja Q]

86. Here?

:hide:

[L0oniX]

126. LOL ...yep

[Ichingcarpenter]

24. Give that Man a Cigar and Congratulate him for the birth

of his meteoritic demise.

[Larkspur]

25. Howard Dean was "character assasinated" by Clintonistas, Gephardt, kerry

supporters in 2004.

I have no sympathy for Hillary. As you said, Bill, if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. Same applies to Hillary

[eridani]

230. They even recyled the Osama ad

BTW, the Kerry connection is indirect. Torricelli donated to Kerry and also to the mainly Gephart-funded 527 organization responsible.

[EFerrari]

26. Oh, man.

Shut up, Bill. That hole is deep enough already.

[DarienComp]

27. A fun house, huh?

Interesting, because this stopped being fun for me a while ago.

[habitual]

28. Dear Bill Clinton....

Take your scolding finger and shove it up your.........

Take your sense of entitlement and do the same.

Take your excuses for why you guys totally screwed up this campaign, and your blaming anyone you can find but yourselves and do the same.

Take your big ass bus that has everyone under it that dared to say anything against you, or even dared to NOT endorse Hillary, and do the same. (leave the good people that you threw under it out though)

Take your efforts to destroy the party if you don't get your way and do the same.

[Downtown Hound]

29. Wow, that says a lot coming from a man

that slept around on her God knows how many times.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

91. good point - last time she was treated this "dis-respectfully" it was by Bill

sad the irony.

He disrespected her the most. Or she disrespected herself.

[Hawkeye-X]

30. Oh, I hope you're talking about Obama from Hillary Clinton supporters..

Otherwise...

[saltpoint]

31. What makes a horror flick effective, among other things, is that the monster

is not readily viewable, is mostly not present, and attacks at unsuspecting moments.

Its presence is felt to affect events but that presence is a suspended presence.

The opening moments of JAWS was effective because while the audience knew the fish was afoot (afinn?), the two drunk teenagers had no clue in hell. We didn't need to see the shark to know that the young man had spent better evenings elsewhere.

On the positive side of not being present are political statespersons. The less they are viewable the most statespersonlike they seem. Their sudden appearance to endorse a civic function or cause thereby has more clout and influence.

The Big Dog is too much with us this winter and spring and IMO this has reduced his clout and influence. Folks I hang out with discuss with some regularity how little he has helped his wife in this campaign. I don't argue that he is out of touch with politics so much as he is reduced in his present role to a ubiquitous cardboard advertisement.

A great number of Democrats do not want The Clintons back in the White House. The Clintons are felt to disagree with this finding.

[THUNDER HANDS]

32. like he's one to talk about disrespecting her

but then again, he's the expert.

[WillyT]

33. Well... If Anyone... HE Should Know...

:evilgrin:

[ErinBerin84]

34. I was watching Karl Rove on George Snuffy this morning

Watching, as in, I had the sound on mute. When Karl started his finger wagging I thought "Hmmm, who does that remind me of?"

[Diane R]

35. Speechless. They're absolutely obsessed with power, and tone-deaf, aren't they?

[Yael]

36. ...as Hillary and I have treated Barack

[City Lights]

47. That's exactly what I was thinking.

:thumbsup:

[Tatiana]

37. Nobody ever asked Ted Kennedy, Gary Hart, or Jesse Jackson to end their campaigns early?

What fucking planet does he live on? Seriously?

They HOUNDED Jesse with every primary he won. My mom had a Jackson/Rainbow Push bumper sticker on her car and I remember hearing lots of negative comments. And this was in Chicago of all places.

[tokenlib]

38. Okay Bill, your convention speech has been scheduled for 1PM Mountain....

"But my name is on the schedule for 9PM, it says right here Bill at 9PM!!" Sorry Mr. President, that's Bill Richardson..."

[zulchzulu]

41. Bill can't believe we see past his games....

If Bill had any horse sense at this point, he and Hillary would gracefully bow out of the race.

[charlie]

42. "What does Jesse want?"

Remember that Bill? Of course you do.

[virtualobserver]

56. you nailed it! A million times more disrespectful than anything Hillary has experienced.

[Warren DeMontague]

43. Starting with that whippersnapper stealing her inevitable nomination, no doubt.

Really, we all should have got the memo that it's "HER TURN".

I love it when he starts wagging that finger. :eyes:

[frylock]

44. nice legacy you got going there, numbnuts

[Tatiana]

45. INSANE PROJECTION BELOW:

Clinton also spoke against bullying superdelegates to make up their minds, saying, "I cant believe it. It is just frantic the way they are trying to push and pressure and bully all these superdelegates to come out. 'Oh, this is so terrible: The people they want her. Oh, this is so terrible: She is winning the general election, and he is not. Oh my goodness, we have to cover this up.'"

What are he and Terry smoking?

:shrug:

Edited to add: Umm... this is not the general election. She cannot possibly be winning it.

And, we need to cut the Hillary supporters some slack. Seriously. Read this man, this former President of the United State's words and you will see where the delusion comes from. It is so sad and wrong to mislead their supporters in this manner.

[Individualist]

50. It's classic projection,

a DLC characteristic.

[Tatiana]

129. Who was telling supers that "HE CAN'T WIN!!!111"

What a lying joke these people have become. They seem incapable of telling any truth.

[ErinBerin84]

52. wow

I think that Bill Clinton should take a cue from James Carville and take up acting. Haha, I was so freaked out when I first saw Wedding Crashers a couple of months ago, and James Carville and John McCain had a cameo (arriving together at the wedding, like a happy couple).

[City Lights]

65. They're living in Bizzaro World.

What surprises me is they don't seem to have come to grips at all with the reality of the situation. The math hasn't favored Clinton in months, so one would have expected them to have slowly started facing reality by now. Instead they continue to live in their own world where delusional and denial rule the day.

I really wonder what kind of favors Bill owes for all those library donations he received.

[ProSense]

48. Hillary?

Hillary, who compared the Democratic primary to the Zimbabwe elections?

Hillary, who implied that Obama was linked to terrorists?

Hillary?

[DeschutesRiver]

49. I can't believe

anyone ever took this couple seriously enough to allow them free run of the WH. Or bought what they were selling, back when they called the 90s prosperous. I was one of those who didn't feel one way or another about them, but did severely underestimate the damage they were actually doing, like a family of moles underground that you don't know about until the freaking lawn collapses.

Like our economy is about to do, thanks to thousands of events during Bill's presidency, Glass Steagall only a small example. Or selling secret shit to the Chinese, and for what reason? So that long after the WH days, Bill could keep collecting a pension in effect from Chinese continued contributions. Whitewater, Travelgate, Vince Fosters death, failure of health care, depends on what the definition of "is" is, and actually that was just the stuff I noticed during the terms.

There is much more that we suffer the effects of today, that I belatedly am realizing came from those fake prosperous years - and Hillary/Bill want us to go back to the nineties? I don't think so - I think it better to take our lumps now for having hired these two lumps years ago, so that as a nation we can move FORWARD. And try to have real progess, not a mocked up fake propsperity.

Shut up Bill - we aren't that stupid anymore to fall for this stuff, and you are just embarassing yourself. Go home.

ETA: I understand there are thousands of contributors to our collapsing economy, so not at all suggesting Uncle Billy is the only one. He is however one that was such a great con man big talker that his contributions often slip by undetected when the shit starts hitting the fan. I'd like him to know that I, along with others, completely recognize his lack of real service to this country, maybe giving him credit for being the beginning of a long list of loser presidents that followed him.

[hfojvt]

100. maybe the 25 million jobs and the long peactime expansion were factors

Vince Foster? Seriously? Vince Foster?

and Travelgate? I heard the travel office was giving so many free perks to the press that they probably should have gone to jail instead of just being fired. Firing the travel office may have been what caused the press to turn on the Clintons.

The failure of healthcare was just as much or more the fault of Congress for folding like a cheap suit to insurance company lobbyists.

[crankychatter]

142. single payer was dismissed out of hand by clinton at the outset of her "reform" effort

SHE was working for THEM

[DeschutesRiver]

165. What I said was that

I didn't pay that much attention during their time in office, and listed the type of stuff I heard at that moment. Yeah, seemed like small potatoes at the time, too, mere indications to me that maybe all wasn't well in the realm of being stable, balanced people, but hey, as long as that doesn't affect their ability to run the place, I don't pay much attention usually to that stuff. They seemed like people who just were inept at keeping their nose clean. But all it was was the surface stuff covering the real tragedy in the making.

Not being a smart ass here, but you can do what I did (over an extended period of time researching) and figure out what was given away, trampled on, and outright fabricated to get those job numbers, to get some of the easing bank regulations that have squarely put us in near dire straights as it started the whole financial thread to continue to unravel. Every damned time I see some of those millions of people with jobs, like you noted, now out of work, I find NAFTA and its mutations, and much more from his administration; everytime I see some people who grabbed credit like candy as financial services suddenly had freedom from pesky regs thanks to Bill doing favors for banking buddies, I see those people now years later having gorged so much at the trough that they can barely move (their fault for thinking debt is prosperity all those long years) and the greedy banking bastards (because they have benefited so much since the regulation line was crossed initially and then continually thereafter) tossing them out of their homes because the gravy train is hit the point of instability. There is so much more that is just isn't funny any more. And from listening to some people, it sounds like a lot of their surface "schtick" and manipulation of the facts worked to rewrite history for them.

Like I said, I wasn't of this mind when they were in office. In fact, I have a bit pissed off/surprised at some of the stuff happening right now, that ends up being traced back to those psuedo "prosperity" years. It wasn't real. It carried its own seeds of destruction from inception. It could have been real prosperity. Instead it was the same horrific stuff that has happened in the Bush WHs - same deal, just sugar coated so thickly that it is not as obvious to tell where it started. Big Dog did his share of digging under the fence, and those bastards who have followed him just widened the hole and have almost taken the fence down to just a pile of wood.

My understanding of what derailed healthcare was the same kind of inability to resolve conflict/admit mistakes/bully, don't negotiate attitudes that still plague Sen. Clinton to this day. And sounds like I heard a different version of Travelgate.

[Mimosa]

219. This campaign has been bad for Bill's mental health and his legacy.

DeschutesRiver, I saw it happening then.

I don't bear the Clintons a lot of ill will. But Bill and Hillary are 'losing it.' Bill needed to retire and work with his foundations. Getting into this campaign has been bad for his mental health and his legacy.

[Deja Q]

184. How many of those jobs have been lost to offshoring?

Granted, Bill genuinely did a LOT worth mentioning and remembering. Balancing the budget, improving the economy while setting up NAFTA and other things, and he looked genuine about promoting peace. But there's a lot to criticize him for too.

[RainDog]

189. Did Bill invent Silicon Valley?

do you really think you can claim that Clinton created jobs when the internet vc's were taking off? did he invent graphical interface web browsers?

wow. I never knew.

as far as I know, he wasn't around creating punch cards a couple of decades earlier, or inventing UNIX -- I mean, where do you think those jobs came from?

[hfojvt]

197. no silly

that was Gore.

Still part of the Clinton administration though.

I do feel that the expansion of the 1990s was part of a Kondratiev innovation cycle ala Schumpeter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Schumpeter

but it presents a large factor for why people might feel the 1990s were prosperous (although they were not for me).

[Catherina]

51. Bill. You're pathetic. Between all the sexists put together and YOU,

the worst disrespect was YOU humiliating your wife in front of the entire nation and hurting her campaign. I wish her a better, RESPECTFUL friend to be there for her now and walk by her side.

Rec'd for the sheer comedy of his statement.

[my3boyz]

54. I think he is behind her refusal to drop out. I can't stand his

red-faced, finger-wagging @ss! I honestly can't believe how much I adored him in the past! Boy he had me fooled! Never again!

[Cha]

58. bil clinton knows all about treating Obama with R-E-S-P-E-C-T,

doesn't he?

Need to have a compilation of all the times fuckin' bilary have Dissed Obama.

Ugly A$$ LIAR

[glowing]

59. Hmmm.... really? That's just so interesting..

[Terri S]

60. There's that finger again

What a shame that he's reduced his legacy to this laughingstock image.

[rhombus]

62. Hey Bill, you engaged in the most disrespectful way toward your wife by cheating on her

Enough. I've had it with this couple behaving as if the Democratic Party is their pet project to do with it as they please. Go away for good.

[scarletwoman]

121. Absolutely agree with you: "I've had it with this couple behaving as if the Democratic Party

is their pet project to do with it as they please."

Well said.

Yes, Bill, please take your victimhood and your delusions and your triangulating and especially your DLC, and go away. The Democratic party does not belong to you. We'll do much better without you.

sw

[AllentownJake]

63. It saddens me

That we put the future of our party to protect you in 1998. We should have shown you the door than and let Al Gore have 2 years of Presidency. If we would have done that this would be the 10th year of President Gore.

[scarletwoman]

102. Thank you for saying that.

I didn't much like Bill anymore by 1998, but like so many other good Democrats, I defended him unconditionally through the whole witchhunt/impeachment episode. I truly regret it now.

You're so right, we should have thrown his lying ass "under the bus" and gotten ourselves President Gore. I wish I had been smarter then.

sw

[Tatiana]

124. If only we had known then what we knew now.

Back then, we thought he was a good human being that made a mistake, like we all do.

I'll even put my tinfoil hat on and suggest that perhaps the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" Hillary spoke of back then and is cozy with now was all engineered for a purpose.

[ForeignSpectator]

133. That's a bit tinfoily, then again this scaife thing IS kinda "strange"... n/t

[Tatiana]

135. How could you joke about a "deathbed coversion" of a man that accused you of murder?

Plus the chumminess of Bill and Poppy Bush.

Cozying up to Murdoch.

Citing the work of Karl Rove as a reason for her continued campaign.

Lanny Davis, Terry MacAuliffe et. al. praising Faux News as the fairest network and best coverage of the primaries.

These are not the actions of a Democrat?

[ForeignSpectator]

141. I couldn't as I am not as deranged...

... won't go further about it, don't want to get ts'd.

But what's that deathbed conversion thing?

All I heard of was that scaife initiated the Arkansas project to f*** up the clintons and now she is all happy that he endorsed her... and the murdoch, poppy bush, rove and faux praising...that's so sick.

[Tatiana]

145. Deathbed conversion

OLBERMANN: One thing about this particular primary in Pennsylvania, a lot of us who felt that you and President Clinton were sorely mistreated in the late 1990s, to say nothing of the Constitution being sorely mistreated, thought that the phrase you introduced to that sad conversation, the "vast right-wing conspiracy" was pretty apt if not perfect. We thought, maybe I'm speaking for myself, one of the few utterly unforgivable individuals in that entire equation, was Richard Mellon Scaife -- among other things is the publsher of the Tribune Review. Seriously, to some degree, Senator, I quit this job the first time around because of Richard Mellon Scaife and people like him. I realize you have a primary to win. But why on earth did you meet with Richard Mellon Scaife and why did you accept, or at least not reject his endorsement of you over the weekend?

CLINTON: Well, Keith, nobody was more surprised than I when I was invited to the editorial board. And I'm very open to meeting and frankly I was kind of curious. I've only met the gentleman once in my life in a receiving line, just in a matter of seconds. Obviously, I was on the receiving end of quite a bit of his activities during the 1990s, much to everyone's dismay, most certainly mine. But I was curious. And he has a lot of interesting people who write for that paper and work for him. And it was a fascinating discussion - a lot of give and take. They certainly don't agree with me on many of my positions and I was dumbfounded both to have been invited and then to have been endorsed. But I do believe in redemption, Keith. I believe in death bed conversions and I think it's possible for anyone to see the error of their ways. So, I'm bringing people together as we speak. Anyone who doubts my ability to bridge the most incredible chasms can point to those recent events.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/21/hillary-clinton-on-olberm_n_97884.html

There is video at that link. Please watch it to get the full effect of her bizarre remarks.

[ForeignSpectator]

231. Yeah, I remember watching that video before...

but had to turn it off because of that rude and silly cackle halfway into the question.

Thanks for it though! I'll just believe she has it coming, whatever "it" may be. I'll try to cool off over the whole hillary-business from now on, it's not healthy. How about you?

[Catherina]

154. I never looked at it that way. It's unbearably depressing to do it now

Excellent point

[Fox Mulder]

64. I remember a time when I used to respect Bill Clinton.

[ErinBerin84]

67. this is part of their "WE WAS ROBBED" tour

OK, I just had to post this, because it made me laugh. Someone posted on the Huffington Post:

"Re the stages of grief that DeeDee Myers talks about: I've heard this elsewhere regarding Hillary. What I want to know is why do we have to experience her stages of grief with her?"

[Catherina]

96. I think we should call it the "WE WAS MUGGED" tour

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5122228

Black people MUG you see. We're just a bunch of lazy non-hard-working street criminals who don't even rate being robbers.

"The Poor Clintons - Victims of a vast black folks conspiracy" - Skwmom

It could be worse. We could call it the "WE WAS CARJACKED" tour :shrug:

"Next, We'll See Him Run an Ad Saying: Vote For Me, I Don't Steal Cars." - Bill Clinton, April 10, 2008

[mitchum]

68. Well, it's not as if we have been fucking around on her, is it?

People who live in glass houses (in Weschester or wherever) shouldn't...

[n2doc]

69. Bite me, Bill

Somehow I think John Kerry, Mike Dukakis and even the 2000 edition of McCain would have something to say about that....

[highprincipleswork]

70. She has certainly earned it.

Some of us believe that people generally earn the way they are treated. It has something to do with taking responsibility for your actions.

Guess who never has been very good at that, but excellent, up to now, at projecting that outwards onto others.

From the point of view of this former Clinton supporter, she and Bill have earned the disrespect they are getting. And not getting it from Senator Obama, who continues to handle these mini-scandals with great grace under pressure.

Her words about impeachment were unconscionable, and sufficient in themselves to disqualify her for high office.

[Jazzgirl]

131. Welcome highprincipleswork!

Instead of impeachment you maybe meant assassination? I know.....I hate that word....

Welcome to DU!

[Triana]

73. The Clintons are full of narcissistic bullshit.

If she was a man, she'd have already left the race - like Edwards did in January when it was clear he couldn't win. She' d have thought her party, the process, and the general election (and the ability of Democrats to win in the GE) more important than herself and not imposed herself on all of it - on all of US - particularly in such a negative, divisive, slimy, dishonest, and destructive fashion. She'd not have climbed into political bed with every Rove and Scaife who came along and used their playbook of divisiveness and political trickery to "win" support. Race-baiting, gender-baiting, gender-bating, etc. She'd NOT have agreed to a set of rules, then suddenly wanted them changed near the end of the race because she was clearly losing. She would have, in February or at the latest, May, bowed out gracefully, saved any more damage to her opponent, her party, to FEMINISM and the ability of other women to be taken seriously as Presidential contenders. But NO, she's Hillary Clinton. The "inevitable" candidate who had every advantage going in but chose to use the old-style, Republican-like politics of the past to try to win. Divide and conquer - or so she thought. She misjudged the nation's mood, needs, and desires right now. She misjudged herself. She misjudged her opponent. She ran her campaign $31M into DEBT. It's not 'cause she's a girl' that she lost. SHE LOST because he simply does NOT have the skills, temperment, vision, leadership abilities, and judgement to be President and that was starkly obvious during her campaign. While there were sexist overtones towards her and racist overtones towards Obama (much coming from the Clinton camp), sexism or racism is NOT what will cause either candidate to win or lose. Their skills and abilities as demonstrated during their respective campaigns has more to do with it than any 'ism' out there.

Hillary LOST of her own doing and no one else's. She needs to grow up, put her Big Girl panties on, and get over it. ANYONE ELSE would have long since. That SHE cannot is just another indicator that she is NOT Presidential material.

[Tatiana]

74. Dear Obamanians:

The proper response to this extreme case of delusion is ridicule and laughter.

It is truly too silly and out-of-touch to get worked up over.

[Catherina]

97. I'm laughing Tatiana

I'm laughing my head off. The laughter's kind of disgusted because of everything else it brings up (http://youtube.com/watch?v=KiIP_KDQmXs) but I'm really laughing and it's letting off some steam.

:hi:

[Deja Q]

75. Well, he should see the Fun House...

On BBC2, if I recall...

BTW: Did Monica suck on that finger?

[Citizen Kang]

77. Really Bill????

You didn't seem to mind when your friends in the Bush Crime Family, with an assist from the Corporate Whore Media did it to Gore in 2000.

Or to Dean in 2004.

What a loser you have become Bill. Karma is a bitch.

[Deja Q]

78. But as we all know, he did NOT have sex with THAT woman!

[mamalone]

79. Oh, Bill.. Bill... Bill.................

:cry:

[stray cat]

80. Hillary: "McCain has matched the presidential test" but not Obama

[scarletwoman]

82. Where'd the quarter billion dollars in campaign funds go, Bill? Your little coterie

sure got caught flat-footed after Iowa, didn't they? Here you all were banking on Hillary's "inevitability" and locking in the nomination by Feb. 5. Well, you know what they say about "assume".

The stench of desperation is getting really rank.

sw

[saltpoint]

83. Hello, Bill? Yeah. It's me. Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner, but

I was out duck-hunting with half a dozen elitist friends.

On this No-Candidate-Ever-Treated-So-Disrepsectfully thing.

In a nutshell, you folks need to shitcan the Victim meme.

It's old hat and it's desperate nonsense.

If you have something positive to offer for her candidacy, let's hear it.

If not, shut the hell up.

[K Gardner]

90. *snicker*

[apocalypsehow]

85. She has earned the disrespect of decent people everywhere. So has he, come to think of it. n/t.

[VeraAgnes]

87. Bravo Mr. President.

It's because she is a brilliant, strong, assertive woman who indeed can run this country.

[Deja Q]

92. Maybe she could, but when candidates of previous eras ran out of money,

they conceded and did not dig into massive debt.

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6097211

[saltpoint]

99. Carol Moseley-Braun did not invoke political assassination as justification

for remaining in the nomination contest long past the point where she knew she could not win.

Senator Moseley-Braun was a brilliant, strong, and assertive woman also.

[intaglio]

101. Who? Monica?

[Downtown Hound]

103. When all else fails, play the martyr,

the victim of sexism and other injustices. It's much easier than doing some real soul searching and figuring out why you really lost.

[Catherina]

104. If she were a brilliant, strong, assertive woman

If she were a brilliant, strong, assertive woman, she wouldn't be dragging that lying, cheating, intern-loving deadweight around and letting him destroy her campaign with his racially insensitive nonesense.

Brilliant, strong, assertive woman don't hang around the HR office after the hiring round is over waving their second-rate resume in case the person that got hired gets offed because he's the wrong color.

Maybe proof of women's advancement with Obama's support from younger and from Black women is that we're not putting up with lying, disprespectful philanderers anymore.



From "BIG DAWG" to DOGHOUSE, where he belongs

[scarletwoman]

115. Beautifully said! "Maybe proof of women's advancement with Obama's support from younger and from

Black women is that we're not putting up with lying, disprespectful philanderers anymore."

Hell yes!

:applause:
sw

[slinkerwink]

111. She doesn't seem to be strong and assertive when she whines about sexism costing her the race.

If she says sexism is costing her the primary.....then it'll cost her the general election.

[JaneQPublic]

168. Very true.

Really puts a dent in her "more electable" argument.

Plus, her new "victim" persona negates her old "tough fighter" persona.

[roguevalley]

216. ...into the ground...

[BlooInBloo]

88. The Geico cavemen called, Bill....

They want their Epic Fail back.

[Liberal Veteran]

93. Pass the Dramamine please.

[EmilyAnne]

94. I can think of candidates who were treated with more disrespect.

1.John Kerry, whose Vietnam experiences were transformed into acts of cowardice and treason by the Swiftboaters.

2.Howard Dean, whose "scream" became proof that he was a member of the "loony left."

3.Barack Obama, who does not have a lifetime of experience like John McCain, but rather a single speech. Screw community organizing, screw his education, screw his law practice, screw his 7 years in the state senate, screw his two years as a US Senator, screw his entire life as a thinking, motivated American citizen....none of that adds up to a speck of dust. But Hillary Clinton and John McCain both have a lifetime of experience that apparently began the moment they were expelled from their mothers' wombs. Truly, none of us are worthy.


Bill grabbed a pillow and a sack lunch before diving under the bus with this comment.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

98. The little DLC puppy yaps and whines.

As usual..when not "triangulating" to the right.

[Eurobabe]

106. Bill should become a proctologist with that wagging finger. n/t

[CreekDog]

108. I think the former president disrespected Hillary more than anyone else out there

on a quite grand scale, a fair number of years ago, but nevertheless.

i really don't think he is the one to deliver this message.

[WA98296]

109. Bill Clinton should have been smart enough to recognize a GREAT moment to shut up

[Spazito]

112. Wow! How the mighty have fallen n/t

[QueenOfCalifornia]

113. I think it is

a shame how he forgot how "shamefully" Bobby Kennedy was treated at the Ambassador Hotel.

[TBF]

114. Well I have never heard a candidate wait around for the other guy

to be assassinated, so it's a first for us both, Bill.

[Raine]

117. Agree, the disrespect Clintons have shown to Obama

is DISGRACEFUL! :mad: :grr:

[Elidor]

118. I have never seen such a widely admired statesman make such a pathetic spectacle of himself

You blew it, Bill.

[Lerkfish]

119. OH NOES!!11111 we're being held accountable for our own words!!!111

this must not be america.

[tbyg52]

125. Go away, Bill. Just go away. nt

[Andy823]

132. And take

Hillary with you!

[Hope And Change]

138. And never come back!

[polichick]

136. As if Bill Clinton knows one damn thing about respect!

[ForeignSpectator]

137. It all depends on what the meaning of "disrespectful" is "is" is "is" is...

...oh time to go to bed.

Rec'd for the amusement value of this thread in the face of the sheer silliness of the statement, and the finger!

[Zavulon]

139. Bill, blow it out your ass. Hillary did this to herself.

From her lame-ass answer on drivers' licenses to her fake tears to her disrespecting Obama a lot more than he disrespected her to her words about RFK and then hiding behind Ted's brain cancer like a selfish cowardly bitch in her laughable "apology," she's getting off VERY light.

Your wife is a selfish bitch and a sociopath. I don't even support her presence in the Senate anymore.

Thanks for the eight years, but please get her out of our face now. Forever. Just shut her the fuck up and make her go away.

Oh, but not before thanking her for that great IWR vote and the "courage" not to admit it was a mistake, though.

[Mme. Defarge]

140. Ya gotta admit ...

as reality shows go, it just doesn't get any better than this!

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

[Auntie Bush]

143. (((((((((( THIS IS THE MOST DISGRACEFUL THREAD I HAVE EVER READ ))))))))))))))))

I can't believe we are hearing this from Democrats. If you read comments like this on a Rethug site you would be sickened! :puke: Just like I am. YOU PEOPLE MAKE MY STOMACH TURN. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LONGER I CAN TAKE THIS SHIT HOLE!!!!!!! :puke:

I got many relaxing hours here at DU for years...until the Obama supporters arrived in drove and other changed their stripes and their true selves were revealed. I used to think Republicans were the ones who acted, talked, thought and behaved like this. I'm throughly disillusioned in our party and have no longer love for many Dems. They're disloyal, traitors and disgusting and people. I want nothing to do with them. I can't believe the administration lets this kind of talk go on...I'm disillusioned with them too!

[ProSense]

144. ((((((((((((((((WAS IT BECAUSE OF THIS COMMENT?))))))))))))))))))) (((((((((((((HERE:

this one?

[Tatiana]

149. Guess you haven't been here since 2001.

There have been threads a lot more "distasteful" than this one.

[Auntie Bush]

153. Sorry, I was here and No they haven't. The rules used to be strict ky

enforced and no one was allowed to make comments like this. Sorry, you are recalling another site...maybe FR. :shrug:

[Tatiana]

198. And it took you two years to join?

I don't visit FR and actually have no desire to consort with the right-wing slime that accused Hillary Clinton of murdering Vince Foster unlike the candidate you appear to support.

[polichick]

150. You seem pretty confused - it's the Clintons who have taken move after move...

...from the Republican playbook to use against a Democratic candidate. WAKE UP!

[Auntie Bush]

162. BULLSHIT!

You just accuse her of every possible thing you can conjure in your mind...then believe it without a trace of thought. then you all jump on that bandwagon until the next one comes along and then you hop on that one...like a bunch of Mexican jumping beans. Now I'll just wait and see how long it takes someone to say that was racist.

You people all forget this is a primary and people are allowed to criticize each other...that doesn't make them evil. Every time Hillary says anything about Obama it's considered hateful and twisted into something racial and then every one piles on. Even Rethugs don't do that to there own...but you guys do! You are the evil ones...filled with hate, distrust and lies.

[polichick]

171. Like I said, you seem very confused...

I was fine with the Clintons until they played the race card in South Carolina ~ and it's been all downhill for them ever since. I worked for Bill Clinton's campaigns, but we all know now how they lied about the "bimbo eruptions" ~ maligning innocent people in their quest for power. The were sick then and they're sick now.

[Auntie Bush]

"I was fine with the Clintons until they played the race card in South Carolina "

That was your first mistake. The Clintons were not playing the race card in SC. The Obama campaign falsely accused them of this and you all took the bait right off the hook and drove it down our throats and repeated that outrageous, gross lie till you all believe it.

[polichick]

194. Actually, I didn't hear any such thing from the Obama camp...

I heard Bill Clinton's words as he said them.

[saltpoint]

151. The source of the objection to Bill Clinton's remarks about "disrespect"

ricochets in several directions and strikes many targets.

Of which he and his wife are noticeably prominent.

Consider the depth of sentiment running against the HClinton campaign right now, Auntie Bush.

Some of the points in this thread, no matter how the're packaged, are on target.

The Clintons retain a fierce contingent, but it is no longer a majority in the party. You are witnessing out the window the changing of a political landscape and a national frame of reference.

It has very little to do with DU or what you or I or anyone else puts up on these boards.

[Auntie Bush]

183. Correct on some points.

"The Clintons retain a fierce contingent, but it is no longer a majority in the party. You are witnessing out the window the changing of a political landscape and a national frame of reference.

It has very little to do with DU or what you or I or anyone else puts up on these boards."

I do realize I am witnessing political change. But I'm also witnessing personal changes in the supporters of many DUers and I don't like those changes. Most may be true but they are exactly what Rethugs repeat. That doesn't make it OK! It's disillusioning to see Dems act just as nasty as those degenerates.

Regarding your second paragraph...you are correct. It doesn't have much to do with DU but it does have everything to do with the bias MEDIA.
I hope we don't get to see how they operate when they want to push John GE Electric McCain. Then everyone here will be crying foul and realize how unfair the media is and how manipulative they really are. It's hard to see when you are getting the benefit...but easy when you are at the receiving end.

In the meanwhile...I hate the way DU has changed! I have no longer any respect for many...but I do still have lots of respect for you and I'm sorry we are on different sides of this campaign. :(

[saltpoint]

190. Auntie Bush, look. You're a class act -- no one is calling that into

question.

In politics, though, there are very sharply divergent takes on the same events and personaltities. A lot of people on these boards defend, for example, Hubert Humphrey because he was among the white officials in our country who strongly -- even defiantly -- promoted civil rights laws. There are others who see him as the "war candidate" in a year when peace candidates were being gunned down.

There's no easy navigation between "He is a civil rights pioneer" and "He prolonged the Viet Nam War."

Which is what makes politics interesting in the first place.

On points, Senator Clinton has come a long way and her accomplishments are considerable. But they are not enough to win, the math is irreversibly against her candidacy, and she is "fighting on," against "disenfranchisement" of FL and MI primary delegations who knowingly broke the rules and flipped Howard Dean the bird in breaking them, rules which Clinton agreed to in the first place. '

There are other points which stand against Hillary Clinton in this past year or so, and there is the stubborn reflex of her supporters to fail to acknowledge that she had. no. plan. in. place. after FEb. 5th because she arrogantly assumed the nomination was in the bag.

A candidate who didn't bother to even plan for contesting the nomination after early February now wants to remain in the race until June or August?

That's not washing with a lot of us. I came from the Kerry camp in 04; when he decided against a run I gravitated happily to Edwards; when he dropped out I chose Obama. It's hard to get one's first choices in politics, ask me the Udall and Birch Bayh volunteer, ask me the Bella Abzug-for-Senate volunteer, and so forth.

She's lost. And now here is her husband casting her as witless victim of others.

It just doesn't wash and it's pissing a lot of us off.

[Auntie Bush]

202. I'm not talking about who's right or wrong in this political fight.

I'm complaining and upset by HOW VICIOUS some Obama supporters are acting and speaking. I would not be upset if they all explained their feelings and beliefs as politely as you. I might even have changed my mind like many others along the way...if it hadn't been for some obnoxious and Rethug like hateful posters on this site. All I could do was defend Clinton from many smears, lies and exaggerations. Soon one bonds with that person! That's what happened and that person begins to take things a little personally as if WE are the ones being attacked.

I never felt like that during the '04 primaries and there were a lot of different opinions expressed. This place has changed and I don't like it one bit. It has become a hateful place and no longer brings any pleasure.

Frankly, I don't even remember which one of my posts you are responding to (getting old too) lol but I doubt if that would change my response. Gotta go and get dinner now so I'll talk to you later.

[Catherina]

160. Don't you ever get tired of enabling bad behavior?

I've seen much more disgraceful threads. All the threads about Obama being a Muslim SPRING to mind. What selective bullshit.

You know what Bill says, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. I suggest something less stressful while the party's redefining itself: http://www.knittingforums.com/

[Major Hogwash]

166. Wasn't Bubba the one that said, "Saddle up" just a few months ago?

Guess he just found out what an ass his wife was.

Blaming the media - how damned original!

Sounds more like Nixon the more he spews about the media!!

[DemExpat]

170. It is a major disappointment, all of this hatred and filthy ridicule.

:puke: :puke: :puke:
This thread is no different from any disgusting shit at freeper sites.

I spent years here as well enjoying the company and often great discussions. I really thought that DUers were generally representative of values I hold high. No more.

:hug:

DemEx

[Major Hogwash]

146. Why doesn't he just go back to Arkansas and raise pigs or sumthing.

Geezus, like we need lectures from that sonovabitch.

[pdxmom]

147. I thought they were of the opinion that if you can't stand the heat, stay

out of the kitchen. She's got some heat, and based on what Bill is saying, she can't stand it.

[aaronbees]

163. They were

until Sen. Clinton got the heat.

[TexasObserver]

148. Bill has replaced Mr. Hanky as the best known talking piece of shit on TV.

Don't go away mad, HillBilly, just go away.

[OhioChick]

152. Wow.....The Hipocracy...

His own wife repeatedly spewing lies throughout this whole campaign and bringing up an assassination on several occasions.

[quaker bill]

157. was he out of the country in 2004?

I seem to recall a bit of disrespect thrown in Howard Dean's direction.

[BlooInBloo]

158. I dare him to say that now.

[undeterred]

161. Bill has never been so completely full of shit as he is now.

When this is over we won't just despise Hillary, we'll have contrempt for the once popular, somewhat successful Democratic ex- president too. Its not enough that she is digging her own political grave- he is going to dig his too.

[Radical Activist]

167. Was he asleep during the swift boating of Kerry?

[boobooday]

203. And the ridiculing of Dennis Kucinich? n/t

[indimuse]

169. Bravo! Bravo President Clinton!

Bless us ALL!

[Major Hogwash]

172. On Tuesday, Bubba will say we took these words out of context. SOP for the Clintons.

Say shit that is inflammatory, then deny it, and wait for the news cycles to catch up to their lies.

The super delegates are listening to all of this shit.
And they need to put us out of our misery by endorsing Obama by the first of next week.

[Debi]

174. No, he'll say he was under sniper fire - or was tired - or that he never did say it!

I have never seen a candidate BEHAVE so disrespectfully as Senator Clinton has during this campaign! x(

[Major Hogwash]

212. You watch, that sonovabitch will lie his ass off about it in 2 or 3 days and say it was taken out of

context.
Every single one of the apologists for Hillary and Bubba have done this repeatedly all campaign long.

It's time for the super delegates to be the adults here and endorse Obama.
Then send Hillary back to the Senate to do something Democratic for a change.

And then get Bubba, the hillbilly clown, off of the national stage.
He is making all Democrats look stupid, ignorant, and racist as he is.

[Skip Intro]

173. He is absolutely right. K&R for Bill speaking the truth.

[Norwood]

175. Wah wah wah! I wanna be president! Waaahhh!

[BeyondGeography]

176. I feel like the whole non-Clinton ass kissing part of the party is being terrorized

What did we do to "deserve" these people? :freak:

[FredScuttle]

177. Can we please get this man a blowjob?

n/t

[Elspeth]

178. Bill is right

...

[quantass]

180. Yea, hillary should apologize.

[Elspeth]

209. Bill Clinton is correct that the tenor of this campaign against his wife has been vile

Whoever Obama has marketing him has done a hatchet job on both Clintons.

[Evergreen Emerald]

179. he is right. The media has been horrific.

DU is a good example of how Obama supporters treat a candidate who has been a progressive Senator. Scorched earth. Anything goes.

[saltpoint]

181. That vote on the flag-burning amendment didn't exactly scream out,

"I'm A Progressive!" to this observer.

The lies on NAFTA weren't a plus either.

And publicly ridiculing Obama while praising McCain as a "patriot" was uncalled for.

[Evergreen Emerald]

185. Of course you can look at one or two votes in isolation, you could paint anyone anyway you want:

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the NARAL Pro-Choice America 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Humane Society of the United States 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Trust for Historic Preservation 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Education Association 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Wilderness Coalition 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the League of Conservation Voters 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Children's Defense Fund 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Association of University Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Organization for Women 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 91 percent in 2006.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group 100 percent in 2005

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence 100 percent from 1988-2003 (Senate) or 1991-2003 (House).

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Public Health Association 80 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Service Employees International Union 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Auto Workers 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the AFL-CIO 93 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the United Electrical Radio and Machine Workers 84 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Worker 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of State, County & Municipal Employees 88 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Federation of Government Employees 83 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Committee for an Effective Congress 95 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Americans for Democratic Action 100 percent in 2005.

According to the National Journal - Composite Liberal Score's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on economic, defense and foreign policy issues than 80 percent of the Senators.

According to the National Journal - Liberal on Social Policy's calculations, in 2005, Senator Clinton voted more liberal on social policy issues than 83 percent of the Senators.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Alliance for Retired Americans 100 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Disabled American Veterans 92 percent in 2005.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Bread for the World 100 percent in 2003-2004.

Senator Clinton supported the interests of the The Partnership for the Homeless 100 percent in 2003-2004.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can...

She was promoting universal coverage before it was cool. Furthermore she helped to create the SCHIP program. And most importantly she was dead on in the debate the other week where she said political will was the most important thing needed to push health care reform through and we know without a doubt she has that.

She has fougt unrelentingly for a woman's right to choose as well as women's rights both domestically and abroad

Create a Strategic Energy Fund - Hillary has proposed a Strategic Energy Fund that would inject $50 billion into research, development and deployment of renewable energy, energy efficiency, clean coal technology, ethanol and other homegrown biofuels. Hillary's proposal would give oil companies a choice: invest in renewable energy or pay into the fund. Hillary's proposal would also eliminate oil company tax breaks and make sure that oil companies pay their fair share for drilling on public lands. Instead of sending billions of dollars to the Middle East for their oil, Hillary's proposal will create a new clean energy industry in America and create tens of thousands of jobs here.

Champion a Market-Based "Cap and Trade" Approach - Hillary supports a market-based, cap and trade approach to reducing carbon emissions and fight global warming. This approach was used successfully to limit sulfur dioxide and reduce levels of acid rain in the 1990s. By capping the amount of emissions in the environment and allowing corporations to buy and sell permits, this approach offers corporations a flexible, cost-efficient method to do their share to reduce emissions and combat global warming. The program will reduce emissions, drive the development of clean technologies, and create a market for projects that store carbon dioxide.

20% Renewable Electricity Standard by 2020 - Hillary believes we need to shift our reliance on high carbon electricity sources to low-carbon electricity sources by investing in renewable energy sources, such as solar and wind. As President, she'll work to require power companies to obtain 20 percent of their energy from renewable sources by 2020.

Make Federal Buildings Carbon Neutral - Hillary believes that the federal government should lead the way in reducing carbon emissions from buildings. Buildings account for 40 percent of U.S. greenhouse gas emissions, and the federal government owns or leases more than 500,000. Hillary would require all federal buildings to steadily increase the use of green design principles, energy efficient technologies, and to generate energy on-site from solar and other renewable sources. By 2030, all new federal buildings and major renovations would be carbon neutral, helping to fight global warming and cutting the $5.6 billion that the federal government spends each year on heating, cooling and lighting.

Protecting Against Exposure to Toxic Chemicals - Hillary wants to make the products we use safer, especially for children. There are tens of thousands of chemicals used in the U.S. and hundreds of new chemicals introduced each year, but little health testing is conducted for many of them. Hillary would require chemical companies to prove that new chemicals are safe before they are put on the market, and would set more stringent exposure standards for kids. She would also create a "priority list" of existing chemicals and require testing to make sure they are safe. To improve our understanding of the links between chemicals and diseases like cancer, Hillary would create an "environmental health tracking network" that ties together information about pollution and chronic diseases.

Hillary's Record

In the White House, Hillary led efforts to make adoption easier, to expand early learning and child care, to increase funding for breast cancer research, and to help veterans suffering from Gulf War syndrome who had too often been ignored in the past. She helped launch a national campaign to prevent teen pregnancy and helped create the Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1997, which moved children from foster care to adoption more quickly and the number of children who have moved out of foster care into adoption has increased dramatically.

She was instrumental in designing and championing the State Children's Health Insurance Program, which has provided millions of children with health insurance. She battled the big drug companies to force them to test their drugs for children and to make sure all kids get the immunizations they need through the Vaccines for Children Program. Immunization rates dramatically improved after the program launched.

Hillary has been a leading member of the Environment and Public Works Committee since she was elected to the Senate. Today, she chairs the Superfund and Environmental Health Subcommittee and in that capacity has promoted legislation to evaluate and protect against the impact of environmental pollutants on people's health and clean up toxic waste.

Global warming and Clean Air
Spoken out forcefully about the need to tackle global warming in hearings, speeches, rallies and on the Senate floor and co-sponsored "cap and trade" legislation.
Worked to reduce air pollution that causes asthma and other respiratory diseases by writing and helping to pass new laws to clean up exhaust from school buses, and other diesel-powered equipment.
Supported legislation to reduce pollution from power plants, including harmful emissions of sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, mercury, and carbon dioxide - emissions that contribute to poor air quality, smog, acid rain, global warming, and mercury contamination of fish.
Aggressively fought the Bush Administration's ill-advised attempts to weaken clean air laws.

Improving Water Quality and Protecting Drinking Water
Helped to overturn the Bush Administration's attempt to allow more arsenic in drinking water.
Cosponsored legislation to protect lakes, rivers and coastal waters by fighting the spread of destructive invasive species, such as the zebra mussel.
Helped ot pass new clean water laws, including measures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.

Protecting Public Lands
Fought oil company efforts to pen the Artic Wildlife Refuge in Alask and Pacific and Atlantic coastal waters to drilling.
Cosponsored the Roadless Area Conservation Act, which prohibits road construction and logging in unspoiled, roadless areas of the National Forest System, and voted for additional funding and manpower to combat forest fires in the west.

Reducing Dangerous Chemicals and Cleaning Up Hazardous Waste
Supported legislation to restore the "polluter pays" principle by reinstating a chemical company fee to fund cleanups of highly contaminated "Superfund" waste sites.
Cosponsored the "kids-Safe Chemical Act," which requires chemical companies to provide health and safety before putting new chemicals in consumer products.
Proposed legislation to create an environmental health tracking network to enable us to better understand the impact of environmental hazards on human health and well-being.

Tackling the Toxic Legacy of 9/11
Pushed for health care benefits for first responders, residents and others whose health has been impacted from breathing the toxic dust and smoke in New York City after 9/11.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2007/8/20/134810/677

Hillary Clinton co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund, in 1977. In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter (for whom she had done 1976 campaign coordination work in Indiana) appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation, and she served in that capacity from 1978 through the end of 1981. For much of that time she served as the chair of that board, the first woman to do so. During her time as chair, funding for the Corporation was expanded from $90 million to $300 million, and she successfully battled against President Ronald Reagan's initial attempts to reduce the funding and change the nature of the organization.

Following the November 1978 election of her husband as Governor of Arkansas, Clinton became First Lady of Arkansas in January 1979, her title for a total of twelve years. Bill appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee the same year, where she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas' poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.

Hillary Clinton chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee from 1982 to 1992, where she sought to bring about reform in the state's court-sanctioned public education system. One of the most important initiatives of the entire Clinton governorship, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place. She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.

And a bit of stuff from the White House years:

Along with Senator Ted Kennedy, she was the major force behind the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage. She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare. She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.

The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome. Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice. In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.

Along with Senator Ted Kennedy, she was the major force behind the State Children's Health Insurance Program in 1997, a federal effort that provided state support for children whose parents were unable to provide them with health coverage.<124> She promoted nationwide immunization against childhood illnesses and encouraged older women to seek a mammogram to detect breast cancer, with coverage provided by Medicare.<125> She successfully sought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and childhood asthma at the National Institutes of Health.<43> The First Lady worked to investigate reports of an illness that affected veterans of the Gulf War, which became known as the Gulf War syndrome.<43> Together with Attorney General Janet Reno, Clinton helped create the Office on Violence Against Women at the Department of Justice.<43> In 1997, she initiated and shepherded the Adoption and Safe Families Act, which she regarded as her greatest accomplishment as First Lady.<43> As First Lady, Clinton hosted numerous White House Conferences, including ones on Child Care (1997),<126> Early Childhood Development and Learning (1997),<127> and Children and Adolescents (2000),<128> and the first-ever White House Conferences on Teenagers (2000)<129> and Philanthropy (1999).<130>

Hillary Clinton traveled to over eighty countries during this time,<131> breaking the mark for most-travelled First Lady held by Pat Nixon.<132> In a September 1995 speech before the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, Clinton argued very forcefully against practices that abused women around the world and in China itself.<133> She was one of the most prominent international figures at the time to speak out against the treatment of Afghan women by the Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.<134><135> She helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative sponsored by the United States to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

"...Hillary Clinton traveled to over eighty countries during this time,<131> breaking the mark for most-travelled First Lady held by Pat Nixon.<132> In a September 1995 speech before the Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing, Clinton argued very forcefully against practices that abused women around the world and in China itself.<133> She was one of the most prominent international figures at the time to speak out against the treatment of Afghan women by the Islamist fundamentalist Taliban that had seized control of Afghanistan.<134><135> She helped create Vital Voices, an international initiative sponsored by the United States to promote the participation of women in the political processes of their countries..."

More:
http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/israe...
http://clinton.senate.gov/issues/nationalsecurity/darfu...


The following are polls from progressive groups, rating Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, on how often they vote for progressive issues. For each group, http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011142.php

Clinton Vs. Barack Obama (progressivepunch)
Overall Progressive Score: 92% 90%
Aid to Less Advantaged People at Home and Abroad: 98% 97%
Corporate Subsidies 100% N/A
Education, Humanities and the Arts 88% 100%
Environment 92% 100%
Fair Taxation 97% 100%
Family Planning 88% 80%
Government Checks on Corporate Power 95% 97%
Healthcare 98% 94%
Housing 100% 100%
Human Rights & Civil Liberties 82% 77%
Justice for All: Civil and Criminal 94% 91%
Labor Rights 91% 91%
Making Government Work for Everyone, Not Just the Rich or Powerful 94% 90%
War and Peace 80% 86%
easures to protect New York City's water supplies and clean up Long Island Sound.

HILLARY'S EXPERIENCE ON THE WORLD STAGE:

Her historic speech at the UN Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing in 1995 not only galvanized women around the world, it helped spawn a movement that led to advances politically, legally, economically, and socially for women in many countries over the next decade. Among other initiatives, she spearheaded the Clinton Administration's efforts to combat the global crisis of human trafficking. She persuaded the First Ladies of the Americas to use their collective power to eradicate measles and improve girls' education throughout the western Hemisphere. And she is widely credited with helping women in Kuwait finally win the right to vote.

Why you could paint Obama as someone who waits to see which way the wind blows before he votes. He could be painted as someone who hides from making a decision on tough issues.


Here is Clinton's progressive record:

As First Lady and now as a two-term senator who represents the most ethnically diverse state in the nation and who sits on the Armed Services Committee, Hillary Clinton has become a fixture on international issues over the past 15 years. She has traveled to more than 80 countries, going from barrios to rural villages to meetings with heads of state. She has consulted with dozens of world leaders - Nelson Mandela, King Abdullah, Tony Blair among them -- on matters as diverse as America and NATO's roles in Kosovo, eradicating poverty in the Third World, and the plight of women living under the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Today, she is one of the most influential voices in the world on human rights, democracy, and the promotion of a "new internationalism" in foreign affairs that calls for a balanced use of military force, diplomacy, and social development to strengthen American interests and security globally.

While American First Ladies historically have made great (and often overlooked) contributions to our nation, Hillary Clinton's wide-ranging experience on international issues as First Lady is unprecedented. Indeed, she is the only First Lady to have delivered foreign policy addresses at major gatherings of the United Nations, the World Bank, the Council on Foreign Relations, and the World Economic Forum.
Perry Logan

[saltpoint]

193. She's covered in your citations through roughly mid-to-end 2005 but note

the conspicuous absence of fore-front progressive causes in her public appearances and campaign emphases since January of 2007.

This is 2008. She seeks high office. She's been outflanked and outsmarted by other Democrats, Obama especially, and has lost the nomination.

That bears repeating, since it doesn't usually register with Clinton DU supporters: She has lost the nomination.

She had no plan in palce post-Feb 5th and now she wants to remain in the race until June of August.

What an egomaniac.

[Evergreen Emerald]

195. He has not reached the finish line. I know it would be nice if all of the

opponents would just quit and leave you to your victory. Wouldn't life be nice.

Obama has not won.

Do. The. Math.

[saltpoint]

196. Actually, as mud-headed as I am at math, even I can add and subtract.

She's lost.

He only needs 53-54 to win a first ballot nomination.

After Tuesday it will be a smaller number still.

After several more supes come his way after he wins in Montana, even you will have to get the same sum as the political arithmetic.

She's lost.

[Submariner]

199. Voted for IWR

Voted to screw the working class with that bankruptcy bill. Voted with Bush to screw Veterans like myself by taking away my free for life VA health care.

That's the republican party voting style, not a true Democrat. She is a DINO.

[Mimosa]

220. Evergreen Emerald, that's why she should remain in the Senate

HRC needs to return to the Senate where she can do some good. Her husband needs to work at his two foundations where he can do some good.

[Why Syzygy]

182. Curtain! Who deserves RESPECT? No one at your house!

I hope the crowd gave him hell. What a crook.

[zonkers]

186. Bill. Go have tea with George Sr. and Bono.

[blonndee]

187. Wag that finger, you red-faced blowhard. THAT'LL make it true.

He is so full of shit.

[Nedsdag]

188. It's been a while since you've been laid, right Bill?

The stress is showing.

[ecstatic]

191. What does HE know about respect? What a hypocrite nt

[salguine]

201. Shut the fuck up, Bill. Just shut the fuck up.

[greguganus]

204. Dear Bill, stick that crooked finger up your ass and sit down until it rots off. n/t

[RiverStone]

206. I don't recognize Bill anymore...

What happened Bill? Power that seductive for you and Hillary that you have lost your way I suppose. I'll still say, at one time - you were a damn good president. The Clinton era is over; too bad you can't see that.

[greguganus]

207. He's Hillary's Stepford husband. n/t

[Renew Deal]

208. What a crybaby

:cry:

[Arkana]

210. Bill is so far off the mark he's shooting blindfolded.

Every criticism of Hillary == OMG UR TOTALLY SEXIST U PIG.

[cliffordu]

211. Poor baby - maybe he needs a whaaaaambulace...

[ElsewheresDaughter]

213. nor have I and I have seen a lot more presidential races then most of you

[IamyourTVandIownyou]

217. "....as Howard Dean".

.

[AZBlue]

218. He's absolutely right!!!!!

The way the Clintons have treated Obama is beyond disgusting.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

221. It's true - the Dem Party has treated Hillary & Bill like crap....

Sad to see. Most of the people here are much the same and sound just like the right wing. We used to condemn them for saying the exact same things that are being said now.

[concerned canadian]

223. the wagging finger of bill

and the jabbing finger of hillary...never again will i be able to see them doing their finger thing without

bursting out laughing, now after reading this thread through and all the finger jokes hee hee

[bridgit]

224. He's right. Everyone from Tucker to Tweety to KO to Limbaugh, Savage and beyond...

have been having one big good ole boy locker room sleep over...very ugly to witness

[pompano]

225. Wonders never cease...

Sounds like it would be the
first time he has went to bat for Obama.

Seeing neither Bill or Hillary do nothing, absolutley nothing, that somehow doesn't benefit them... one has to automatically assume there is a catch considering this far from a typical revelation? That stinking perished rat in the wall stinks more and more as time goes by.

What these two (Bill and Hillary) have become is sad, selfish and contempt. The day they leave the Party, the better this Party becomes, and not a minute sooner. This Party is not defined by Bill and Hillary nor does it's survival depend on them. They chose this selfish path and they can walk it alone.

The respect I once had for these two is now nada, zilch, nonexistent. They turnd their back on us, not visa versa. What they did to Obama is beyond forgivable.

[sudopod]

226. FGSFDS nt

[ObamaKerryDem]

227. Oh, Bill, you miss the point entirely!

Says in South Dakota Sunday: “I have never seen anything like it. I have never seen a candidate treated so disrespectfully just for running.”

It's NOT because she's running; it's the WAY that she's chosen ( and continues..) to run her campaign that's led to all this drama!

[rucky]

229. WOULD SOMEBODY PULL HIS FINGER, ALREADY?!