What If Obama Said.. " People Are Not Voting For Me Because I'm Black!"

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What would the reaction be?

What if John McCain said "People aren't voting for me because I'm old!"

What would the reaction be?


Hillary's actions regarding unfair treatment because she is a woman are ridiculous. And in my view it makes women look weak. Using gender discrimination as a "red herring" sets the feminists movement back. Feminism shouldn't be used as a crutch for her own poorly run campaign. Her complaints mock this proud movement for gender equality.

It's also dishonest and historically wrong to claim that gender discrimination is more difficult to overcome than racism.

Obama faces far more discrimination difficulties than Clinton. Yet he works through such issues with determination, hard work, grace and class.

Meanwhile, Clinton cries, complains and blames everyone but herself.

If Hillary Clinton and her supporters want to advance the women's movement, maybe they should study Barack Obama and his magnificent campaign.



Obama moves the Nation forward in a positive light when it comes to race.

Clinton holds the Nation hostage in a negative light when it comes to gender.

[woolldog]

1. Hillary Clinton = whiner-in-chief

Waaah Waaaah!

[Saturday]

2. "Obama moves the Nation forward in a positive light when it comes to race."

No he doesn't, he has pushed us backwards 40 years. I can explain my reasoning but I'm sure you wouldn't listen.

[aaaaaa5a]

4. Are You Serious?

[skipos]

6. If it is sound as the "logic" I have seen in your other posts

you probably don't need to waste anyone's time. Regardless, you make Baghdad Bob proud!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

12. -

[NC_Nurse]

3. It's everyone's fault but hers. Poor Hillary.

:nopity:

[Evergreen Emerald]

5. Isn't that what everyone is saying about the states that Clinton wins?

[skipos]

7. The only states I have heard that are about were KY and WV

where voters were actually saying that they wouldn't support Obama because he was black.

[Liberal Veteran]

11. See?! That just proves the point! By acknowledging that exit polls said that....

....it's exactly as if Obama himself were on the stump screaming "I'm being picked on for being black!"

[mac2]

20. Others won't admit it. They just won't.

Much like Lieberman...the first Jewish VP. He was not liked for his politics and his pro-war stand even before people got to his religion. The same with Obama's "blackness".

[Liberal Veteran]

21. Sadly, there are those who proudly racist and some who are quietly racist.

I've seen it first hand.

I've watched someone throw one Obamyth after another at me and concede the fact that he is not anti-American or a Muslim and then finally just mumble "I just don't think America is ready for a black president".

And then....to top it all off, a few weeks later give me the exact same Muslim/anti-American trash we already discussed as their reason for not voting for Obama. That was distressing to me. I realized that the person I was speaking to was rationalizing to themselves that it wasn't about race and the Muslim-bating/anti-American crap was just a mask to hide behind to maintain a molecule layer thick veneer of respectability.

It was a sad thing to watch.

[Liberal Veteran]

8. See, there's the difference. Is Obama saying it?

No. He isn't.

Of course, truth to tell, people ARE voting for him.

They ARE voting Hillary too (although to a lesser extent apparently).

But Hillary is the one person out there saying "Poor me....People won't vote for me cause I'm a woman".

[Evergreen Emerald]

14. the difference:

Obama says one thing in front of the camera and pushes his agenda behind the scenes. And the media helps him.

Clinton does it herself. She does not have the media backing, indeed they attempt to defeat her and she must go straight to the people. Here is an example:

"Obama Campaign Flogs Olbermann's Hillary-RFK Rant to Media

On ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos, the host asked Obama campaign chairperson David Axelrod whether the Obama campaign was stirring up the attacks on Hillary Clinton over her RFK remarks to the Sioux Falls Argus Leader. When Alexrod denied that the Obama campaign was engaged in such activity, Stephanopoulos reported that the Obama campaign had sent out an email on Saturday with Keith Olbermann's vitriolic Hillary-RFK Special Comment."

[Liberal Veteran]

18. You don't say? I must have imagined Operation Chaos and Rev. Wright 24/7....

....or the emails going around about his poor grandma living in a shack or his Muslim roots and him being the anti-Christ and his America-hating wife and bittergate.

And what has Hillary had? Snipergate and Assassingate. The former was a flat-out lie (and don't try to deny it, you'll only embarrass yourself needlessly) and the second was a huge gaffe.

Hillary has failed in herself, not because of some conspiracy. There is a reason she is in the red and Obama has gotten the majority of his donations from small donors.

There is a reason why Hillary lost so many primaries. You can't expect to win if you take your nomination as a given. She didn't even start really campaigning until it was too late.

[L0oniX]

9. Introspect is not allowed here.

:evilgrin:

[billyoc]

10. I guess he'd sound kind of silly, since they're all voting for him.

:hi:

[rug]

13. Is that different from posts here saying people are not voting for him because they're racist?

[mainer]

15. It'd be true. But he's not saying it, more power to him.

And we know it's true after 20% of West Virginia voters ADMITTED to not voting for him because of that reason.

[JVS]

16. He'd be accused of stealing Clinton campaign talking points.

It's their job to point out people don't vote for him because he's black.

[dchill]

17. We'll never know, will we?

Too positive, too much class.

[mac2]

19. The African American churches are beside themselves

They think Obama can do what no one has in the past for their race. White liberals have done more for them than anyone. Powell and Rice? Na Da. Look who gave them all that Faith Based money?

They are in for a big surprise since Obama not God. He does talk like a preacher which bugs me since he is running for a government office.

Clinton holds the nation hostage and in a negative light? What she wants stem cell research and return of the Condition is negative?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

22. Alerted.

[MercutioATC]

25. "Alerted" for what? Horrible sentence structure?

I don't see anything that violates the TOS...just abysmally poor grammar.

[Liberal Veteran]

23. Why shouldn't they feel hope? They don't think he's God.

And shame on you for dismissing the complexity of the issue for African-Americans in this country.

We all know that between the two candidates, when it comes to positions, there's not a huge divide.

And then when Hillary panders to the lowest common denominator when she starts spouting off about Obama's "problem" with working class whites and capitalizing on that, you don't think it has an impact within the black community?

[Bicoastal]

24. "White liberals have done more for them than anyone." Boy oh boy, you're full of yourself.

Yep, black people sat on their asses, waiting for white liberals like the Clintons (!) to help them out--now they won't vote for her? How ungrateful.

I'm alerting too.

[genna]

28. I have read that line before...after all the Clintons did for them, "the" blacks repay their kind

ness like this?!!


I'd say those are fighting words.

Can anyone who makes that argument list for me what the Clintons did for us that now we had better worship at their altar now?


While you are at it, please tell me why Bill Richardson is chained in involuntary servitude to the Clintons for the rest of his political career? Tell me about the special status the Clintons conferred to this ex Congressmen that he still needs to pay a black tax on.

[Deja Q]

30. 'Full of himself'? He's shit?

(couldn't resist. I'm alerting for the same reasons as you.)

[genna]

26. To simplify the objectification of women in this way is wrong headed.

Hillary's actions regarding unfair treatment because she is a woman are ridiculous. And in my view it makes women look weak. Using gender discrimination as a "red herring" sets the feminists movement back. Feminism shouldn't be used as a crutch for her own poorly run campaign. Her complaints mock this proud movement for gender equality.

I will say you reduce or simply the problem of gender discrimination to the point that it has no meaning. As an Obama supporter, I say you are absolutely WRONG on that point.

I disagree, Clinton faced some ridiculous behavior from MSNBC commentators. I think that is undisputed. I also think when Bill Kristol on Fox News says believe me I know white women can be a problem---I live with one THE COMMENTATORS HAVE GONE A BRIDGE TOO FAR.

That being said, to constantly say every and anything that happens in this campaign is sexist...women have reduced the serious meaning of sexism. Every instance of someone not voting for you can not be inflated to sexism or racism for that matter.


If I were to go off on a rant :rant: I would point out how little diversity there is at the news desk, the editor's bench and on air hosting programs so that the news is brought to us by people who look like all of America. Surely it is possible to find some native Americans, Hispanic and Spanish speaking people, and a few Asian folks out there that can BRING THE NEWS.



It seems to me one of these commentators would be able to bring the generational, gender and racial gap between what Ferraro understand in regards to JayZ's shoulder brush and what it means to say someone lucky to be black.

These differences between boy and man are not necessarily the difference between woman and sweetie.

To deny that is kind of miss the point.

[anonymous171]

27. Or if he had said "Well, the white man is always trying to push me out" if he was losing?

[genna]

29. Our country does not tolerate -isms or -phobias that well.