How can MI and FL primaries POSSIBLY be representational?

[johnaries]

OK, I can understand that the DNC has to do something to keep more and more states from moving primaries up. It's really getting out of hand. I also don't think voters in those states should be disenfranchised.

But, since Obama did not campaign in either state and wasn't even on the ballot in MI, obviously the primary results from those states are not representational.

The only solution I can see is a revote, and allow both candidates to campaign. It's a no-brainer that the results will be much different than they are currently. Hillary may still win both states, but not nearly so decisively.

[Yael]

1. It isn't. Thats the problem

People were told not to bother.

[Iceburg]

2. I agree with you, a revote was a no-brainer -- Obama was offered it and turned it down

Private funds were offfered to finance the re-election. But Obama wouldn't consider it.

[WA98296]

9. BS!! "...not possible for the state to hold another election, even if the Party were to pay for it."

From NBC's Mark Murray

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/17/776838.aspx

First Read has obtained a letter from Florida Democratic Party chair Karen Thurman, in which she says there won't be a re-vote in her state. This seems to mean: 1) that Florida's delegates won't be seated; 2) that they will, via a vote from the credentials committee; or 3) that there will be some sort of compromise (like counting delegates by half).

"Thousands of people responded. We spent the weekend reviewing your messages, and while your reasons vary widely, the consensus is clear: Florida doesn't want to vote again," Thurman writes. "So we won't."

"A party-run primary or caucus has been ruled out, and it's simply not possible for the state to hold another election, even if the Party were to pay for it. Republican Speaker of the Florida House Marco Rubio refuses to even consider that option. Florida is finally moving to paper ballots, which is a good thing, but it means that at least 15 counties do not have the capacity to handle a major election before the June 10th DNC primary deadline. This doesn't mean that Democrats are giving up on Florida voters. It means that a solution will have to come from the DNC Rules & Bylaws Committee, which is scheduled to meet again in April."

[DerekJ]

13. Hillary refused a MI caucus,, It wasn't Obama.

[slinkerwink]

19. I'm against private funds being used for revotes. It's what banana republics do.

And Clinton turned down the revote in MI.

[my3boyz]

22. Yeah, private funds from Clinton hacks. nt

[L0oniX]

23. That's wrong info IMO. Those who would have to pay for the re-vote refused to do so.

Where's your info on those private funds?

[Ravy]

3. Do you want a revote in the states Clinton didn't campaign in?

No, I thought not.

[juno jones]

10. Clinton had her chance in 48 other states plus assorted territories & DC.

If she chose not to take it c'est la vie.

However with both of them campaigning in MI and FL, the results might be quite enlightening, no?


edit to add: If she didn't campaign in a state, it must not have mattered anyways.

[johnaries]

11. Well, you thought wrong.It all depends on the reasons

she didn't campaign in those states. If she didn't campaign because she thought it wouldn't do any good or didn't have the money and wouldn't campaign again, then what's the use?

If she didn't campaign because she was following the DNC rules, then yes, absolutely.

[Johnny__Motown]

4. Way to late for a revote.... MI has proposed a split that nets Hillary 10 and FL wants to go with

the 1/2 delegate compromise.



Something will be done to get delegations seated, but the name recognition election results won't be represented as such.

[johnaries]

14. I feel sorry for the DNC Rules Committee.

They have a difficult job in front of them.

[Johnny__Motown]

16. I think they can accept both compromise solutions.. say they gave the states what they asked for

and it won't change the fact that Sen. Obama has an insurmountable lead

[newmajority]

5. BECAUSE EVERYBODY IN MICHIGAN VOTED FOR HILLARY AND YOU OBAMABOTS KNOW IT !!1!!!!!!1111

DON'T DISENFREEDOMCHISE ME, YOU SEXIST MISOGINIST, OR I'LL ASSASSINATE RFK AGAIN!!111111!!11111

[Johnny__Motown]

17. I voted Uncommitted on that ballot....(just to be clear, not everone voted for her)

40% voted against her even when we were told it would't count for anything

[Upfront]

21. Me to

Edwards was my choice.

[L0oniX]

24. LOL

[Life Long Dem]

6. Not a chance

of this being representative of the time Florida illegally jumped the gun at the beginning of the year. But hey, elections on candidates are for every few years, and hey... it's only been a few months since the last illegal one in Florida.

[graywarrior]

7. It isn't because we, in Floorida were told our vote would not count so I did not vote

[NC_Nurse]

8. Don't introduce LOGIC into the situation, for GOD's SAKE!

That won't help keep the emotions high and the angst flowing...
WHAT are you thinking?


:P

[johnaries]

12. Sorry! I guess I should have a drink.

Join me! :toast:

[NC_Nurse]

18. I would but we're out of booze and the ABC store is closed on Sunday.

Darn. ;-)

[rock]

15. Revote

Everybody saves face and it is the right thing to do.

[L0oniX]

20. They can't be representative and that's why I despise Hillary for the cheat she wants to put upon...

the Democratic party and its voters. If I had known that the Florida votes were going to count, I would have voted but I knew that the agreed to rules were being broken. Obama also knew and didn't spend the time or advertising and rally money on Florida or Michigan. If Hillary thinks that this is fair then she is a total asscarrot and is saying that I shouldn't have a fair chance to vote in a primary that follows the DNC rules. She is a rule breaker and will most likely change the rules for herself if she should become the president of the USA; just like Bush has changed the rules to legalize his crimes. We don't need another rule changer/breaker. Hillary...go fuck yourself you cheating sack of shit! :grr:

[cyclezealot]

25. DNC need so something to keep states from moving primaries up

there is the catch. We were all bored months ago. Now its just petty bickering and no substance, meanwhile we grow farther apart as a party. The better solution would have been to front loaded the last half into the first two months. Back then when our votes meant something and actually enhanced choices .Not argue over those who survived a campaign about personalities not issues.

[johnaries]

26. As some people continue to talk about the Popular Vote

I want to point out that we don't know what the Popular Vote is! You can't count MI and FL - unless you're Karl Rove.

[AZBlue]

27. It's too late for that. A 50/50 split (including SD's) is the only option now.