Gallup: Clinton Beats McCain, Obama Doesn't

[Iceburg]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/107488/Gallup-Daily-Clinton-Maintains-Lead-Over-McCain.aspx

Despite the fact that Obama is considered to be the highly probable Democratic nominee, Gallup Poll Daily tracking continues to show that, at the moment, Clinton is performing better against presumptive Republican nominee John McCain than is Obama. Clinton's five percentage point lead over McCain is statistically significant, and considerably stronger than Obama's 2-point loss to McCain among registered voters nationwide.

At the same time that Clinton is enjoying stronger support than Obama against McCain in terms of hypothetical general election matchups, she continues to lose to Obama among national Democrats. The most recent May 22-24 three-day rolling average has Obama at 50% and Clinton at 45%, a slightly smaller margin than in previous days.

[skipos]

1. How does FDR do against McCain?

He is as likely to be our nominee as Clinton.

[Hope And Change]

2. Next.

[NightWatcher]

3. we've got less than 10 days to suffer these posts till it's over

Obama's got it by June 3rd. Sooner if the supers show up this week

[NJSecularist]

4. Despite being counted out by the media and the netroots, Hillary still leads Obama?

What does that say about the media-created "presumptive nominee"?

He may be the worst Democratic nominee since Dukakis.

[Bicoastal]

7. deleted.

[mac2]

13. He won the Conservative states

Where the Republicans rule. He won't beat McCain there.

[Bicoastal]

18. Delete

[rock]

25. What part?

That part where you document it with a news report to that effect.

[NJSecularist]

21. The only way Obama is going to win the nomination is through backdoor deals.

[99th_Monkey]

26. LOL. You've got to be kidding.. projection much? ~nt~

[The Doctor.]

39. Wow, you're either psychotic or you fancy yourself a comedian.

He's all but won, the only way Clinton can win is through 'backdoor deals'.

[WonderGrunion]

44. Actually. . .

if the superdelegates declare publicly, that would make them front door deals. The only way Hillary wins now is by infernal intervention.

[uberllama42]

45. Can you explain how you see the nomination playing out

absent any "backdoor deals"? I have seen you say more than once that Obama can only win by shady means, but as I'm sure you're aware, the math heavily favors him at this point. So what is Clinton's path to the nod? I may be obtuse, but I just don't see it.

[iconicgnom]

52. troll much?

[smiley_glad_hands]

57. You mean hilliary.

[The Doctor.]

38. Yeah...

... sure.

[Patchuli]

46. You folks are becoming pitiable

Now please get behind the Dem nominee unless you want to see 4 more horrific years of the same $hit, different day.

[phrigndumass]

49. Keyword "nominee"

He's got what your candidate can't get.

[CreekDog]

5. i understand, but we don't choose the nominee based on what the polls say now

we have a process that selects delegates and that is nearly complete.

[FrenchieCat]

6. That's only the Clinton supporters skewing that poll.

They are the ones responding that they will vote for Clinton over McCain, but vote McCain over Obama.

It's all propaganda......and I ain't buying it.

If Clinton supporters decide to become NeoCons and Anti-choice folks and support McCain, they can all kiss my ass....and you can take your poll and shove it where the sun don't shine.

How's that? :)

[cstanleytech]

28. Umm that sounds a tad paranoid.

Anyway I am guessing the problem is McCain appeals more to the moderate voters, you know the ones who tend not to vote purely based on party of the candidate.
Its a danger to Obama and one which assuming he wins the nomination that he can address and perhaps sway them to vote for him over McCain.

[FrenchieCat]

29. Paranoid how? Exit polls read the same.......

I will tell you now, that I am neither paranoid nor stupid.

there is a faction of Hillary supporters out there who have gotten the memo. When the phone rings from a pollster Company (who are polling at the exact time that many of these folks are home, and polling those with landlines)I am sure that many of the respondents are doing what they can for Ms. Hillary. If that is to answer when asked that they would vote for Clinton over McCain, but McCain over Obama, there would be no surprised there. All that is needed is a small percentage of respondents to answer in this matter to skew the polling results.

The folks you speak of are not called Moderate voters, but swing voters, many who are independents. I do not believe that with 81% of the nation believing that we are going in the wrong direction that these same folks would now favor more years of war and nothing done to right the economic wrongs that we are suffering.

Your interpretation is as much a theory not really proven, as is mine.

[cstanleytech]

33. *shrug* perhaps paranoid was the wrong word then however

can you provide any proof of your claim of "That's only the Clinton supporters skewing that poll."?

[FrenchieCat]

37. I'll show you mine, if you show me yours.

The data suggest that the continuing and sometimes fractious Democratic nomination fight could have a negative impact for the Democratic Party in next November's election. A not insignificant percentage of both Obama and Clinton supporters currently say they would vote for McCain if he ends up running against the candidate they do not support.

Clinton supporters appear to be somewhat more reactive than Obama supporters. Twenty-eight percent of the former indicate that if Clinton is not the nominee -- and Obama is -- they would support McCain. That compares to 19% of Obama supporters who would support McCain if Obama is not the nominee -- and Clinton is.

It is unknown how many Democrats would actually carry through and vote for a Republican next fall if their preferred candidate does not become the Democratic nominee.

The Democratic campaign is in the heat of battle at the moment, but by November, there will have been several months of attempts to build party unity around the eventual nominee -- and a focus on reasons why the Republican nominee needs to be defeated.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/105691/McCain-vs-Obama-28-Clinton-Backers-McCain.aspx

[cstanleytech]

43. Interesting though

I still think what I said about the problem Obama will face with the moderates still exists if he fails to try find a way to mollify them and they do swing over to McCain.

[AtomicKitten]

8. Darn. Too bad she can't win the nomination.

[indimuse]

9. K&R!

thx! Madame President sounds great!

[Guava Jelly]

10. riggght...

That is why she is kicking so much ass in the primaries

[Dr.Phool]

11. I guess we'll never find out about that, will we?

[jesus_of_suburbia]

30. Maybe we will in 2012.

I hope not. I hope Obama wins in '08.

[mac2]

12. You'd think Obama was the second coming of Christ when

you hear his supporters. He won't solve our problems but add to them. He's a globalist and theocratist.

Obama will result in McCain wins because he is not all they think he is to people in the MW and South. People are concerned over illegal immigration. Yes...both parties have betrayed us regarding the border and immigration but they fail to admit that.

[silverweb]

15. Huh?

"He's a globalist and theocratist."

My curiosity is killing me. How do you justify that statement -- especially the "theocratist" part?

[chknltl]

23. Doubt you will get a response...

I keep seeing these ridiculous comments about Senator Obama being bad for this or that reason. When the accusing poster gets challanged on those reasons they mysteriously dissapear!!! I would expect crickets out of this one as well. Obama a theocratist???? HA! Did you know that he is the secret plant of the Mole People too? HG Wells warned us about them Mole People. (Come to think of it, I suspect that many of the SUPPOSED supporters of Senator Clinton who post such garbage about Senator Obama are secretly Mole People!)

[silverweb]

35. Heh... figured it was worth a shot anyway.

Mole people or morlock types notwithstanding, I suffer this intermittent yearning even with them (futile, I know) for discussion and information exchanges based on documented facts, verifiable truths, civility, and reason.

I had put that poster on ignore first just to avoid suffering such ignoramuses as part of my DU experience -- then decided to take the long shot and ask for some rationale. I'm sure you're right and none will be forthcoming. That'll teach me, huh?

Time to get back to work. Thanks for the moral support. :hi:

[grantcart]

14. The campaign with McCain hasn't started yet but on the campaign that has started gallup says:

[ossman]

16. How does 2000 McCain do against 2008 McCain?

[anonymous171]

17. What about Perez Hilton v McCain?

[d_b]

19. zing!

[Swamp Rat]

20. Hillary's campaign is over.

Kaput.

[Franks Wild Years]

22. As former President Perot will tell you...

...polls at this time of year are most certainly fantastic at predicting the results. Third-placed loser of the same '92 election, Bill Clinton will back me up on this one.

[PurityOfEssence]

50. Sometimes yes, sometimes no...

That number three guy'd remind you of '96, though...

Welcome to the board.

Never did like that dog.

[Mimosa]

54. Wooo Hooo, Franks Wild Years!

That's funny. And so true as well.

[stray cat]

24. President Clinton - oh wait no ones voted...

[Perry Logan]

27. Sound of Obamite heads blowing up.

It's a pleasant, hollow popping sound.

[anonymous171]

31. rofl

:spray: I just remembered a sexist joke.

[Blondbostonian]

32. Obama supporters have a college education and make more than 50K

Clinton supporters are high school graduates who make less than 50K.

That tells me Obama supporters are more intelligent and better suited to make better decisions beyond talking points. Those hollow sounds you're hearing are coming from your fellow Clinton supporters.

Maybe in 2016, Perry.

[PurityOfEssence]

47. Here, learn a lesson from another loser:

In the 1956 presidential campaign, a woman called out to Adlai E Stevenson:
"Senator, you have the vote of every thinking person!"

Stevenson called back "That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!"

Even if you ARE among the intellectual aristocracy, this is still going to come down to an election.

The air of arrogance and disdain for mere reality is palpable among many of the supporters of this faith-based campaign; if the followers were truly as brilliant as they claim, more would notice the sheer irony of the slavish love for the "ignore" function on this board.

College degrees are not proof of intelligence; often they're clung to by those haunted by their own mediocrity. In a similar vein, earnings prove little.

With the scoffing tone of your post, it would seem that you define "Obama supporters" as a select group of the exceptional. Doesn't this very self-congratulatory specialness lead you to think that the hordes of annoying dummies will overrun you? Being superior means being outnumbered, which isn't a great position to crow about in a constituent republic.

Also, by your simplistic criteria, I should be an Obama supporter. So very confusing.

Don't make much sense to me...

[smalll]

58. I bet you'd just LOVE Rush Limbaugh (if he wore Birkenstocks) - and smoked clove cigarettes

rather than cigars. I'll never quite get used to the up-by-your-bootstrapsism/social Darwinism of the Obamatrons (although to be sure I should be used to it by now.)

[smalll]

59. I'm afraid you're wrong. It seems the Obamatrons have no problem with polls like this --

their response seems to be (up and down the thread.) -- "Tough noogies! The lemmings have chosen their course: get with the program and JUMP!"

They don't seem to have any real worries about forcing their strange new god to his premature Gotterdammerung -- in fact, they seem proud they can force it to happen.

[JimGinPA]

34. While Obama Wins Delegates, Hillary Supporters Hope She Wins Polls

[Vinca]

36. So today you LIKE Gallup? I can't keep track.

:rofl:

[Kahuna]

40. Hillary dead-enders are throwing tantrums. When the half of them

that WILL grown up stop playing games the polls will look better for O.

[vincenzoesq]

41. Hey, ice

You got to know when to fold em. Give it up.

[Arguing Softly]

42. Wasn't this thread posted before?

We should check for duplicates. There is another earlier thread on this poll.

[cliffordu]

48. Bummer. Maybe we should have let her win after all.

[smalll]

60. Um, yeah. It's not too late. We're not yet honor-bound and committed...

to the Charge of the Obamatronic Light Brigade. We can still pick a winner in Our Girl.

[Gore1FL]

51. Later than this in 1948

Gallop saw no point in taking continued polls because Truman was losing so badly at that time.

How'd that work out for President Dewey?

[FrenchieCat]

53. This is not 1948, nor 1968.

I'm not sure why, while in the 21st century, we keep going backwards.

[Gore1FL]

55. I was just trying to point out

Gallop polling this far before a general election as pretty worthless information.

[sudopod]

56. Smokin Poll

PROTIP: Election's in November.

[VotesForWomen]

61. democrats do have a knack for picking losers.