Hillary Clinton is Unelectable

[MadBadger]

Here is how I see it. When questions are asked of who you want to vote for between Hillary and McCain, Hillary does very well across the electoral math. But change the question up a bit when focused on reality, and you will see Obama supporters do something completely different. The Only way Hillary Clinton wins the nomination at this point is in some fashion that would seem illegitimate to many Obama supporters. If Hillary Clinton wins the nomination because she wins via Superdelegates overturning the will of the popular vote, she is unelectable. If Florid and Michigan somehow put her over the top, she is unelectable. Obama supporters when asked the question in polls would support Hillary over McCain in overwhelming margins. But when taking reality into the equation, that Hillary would attain the nomination in some fucked up way, even if sanctioned by the rules, say goodbye to the White House.

[Oceansaway]

1. but,but,...i thought she was

the 'inevitable' ??...

[Yael]

18. Her campaign is coming to its inevitable close and she was right all along

It WAS over on Super Tuesday.

:D

[Shae]

2. I don't know why they don't see that . .

If she becomes the nominee by any ways that aren't on the up and up -- if she steals it outright, or if she damages Obama so badly that he is no longer politically viable, Obama supporters -- especially A-A's -- will not be racing to the polls to vote for her.

[MadBadger]

3. Exactly

I bet you if you asked a poll question that factors one of those scenarios in, she'd lose.

[RaleighNCDUer]

6. Most longtime Obama Dems would stay with her, but we'd lose virtually

ALL the republican fence jumpers and independents, and a good number of first-time voters who are invested in him rather than the party. And without them, we don't win. It's a safe bet that most independents don't see much difference between a moderate-right Dem and a moderate-left Repub (such being the image each tries for, whatever the reality.)

[MadBadger]

7. Def. the first time voters which are a lot of the Obama supporters.

[genna]

16. I've continued to read people who say we are 57% of the voting age population

We win without African Americans.

I'd say you'd get a chance to prove it in the fall if the SDs overturn the pledged delegates, the number of states BHO won, and the popular vote.

When you take the 30% in Kentucky Democrats that voted for Bush in 2004 and the number of people who said they would never vote for Hillary Clinton, project outwards without AAs tell me where you get.


A lot of posting commentators say we can do it, please look back over the last 40 years and show me the demographic analysis that explains how that works.

[Shae]

23. Right.

We've rarely won even WITH the A-A's especially in the Presidential elections.
They are the most reliable voting bloc the Democrats have.

[Bensthename]

4. She lost the dem nomination process = Hillary is unelectable.

[tularetom]

5. Not enough time between convention and election

for her to repair the damage done by her shitty nasty primary campaign.

If she pulls some kind of shit at the convention to get the nomination she can kiss off the entire black vote. She can kiss off most of the under 30 vote. She can kiss off a lot of the affluent older voters. She can kiss off the votes of those with college degrees. She might hold on to the inbred hillbilly vote.

No republicans will cross party lines to vote for her - they hate her more than any living human being.

Independents aren't thrilled with her either.

[Swamp Rat]

8. She can already say adios to those voting blocs.

Hillary's campaign is over.

[FrenchieCat]

9. Hillary is unelectable because she doesn't understand math. That and other things......

[Donkeykick]

10. Sorry.

But electoral votes are still the elements that gets people that job. Another question you should ask yourself is: will Obama still win those states that are predominately red in November? Remember, this next race is between a republican and a democrat, incase you forgot. ;)

[MadBadger]

17. Yea, and she wont be able to get the electoral votes.

[Donkeykick]

21. Hello?!

:donut: The coffee is on. She has already won those states with those high electoral votes--and the race was only between her and Barack Obama. Where have you been? :eyes: :wtf:

[MadBadger]

22. GE is different than the Primary. Doesnt take a genius to figure that one out.

[Donkeykick]

26. Uh, no it doesn't.

most people have figured out that the Democrats overwhelmingly voted for Hillary in those states. Have a second cup. :donut:

[MadBadger]

27. I think the most should have been bold, not the have

Have doesnt really stress anything.

[ima_sinnic]

11. I would never vote for that POS, and I know I'm not alone

she's not even a Democrat. Voting for her would be voting for a thinly disguised neocon. Why bother?

[AllentownJake]

12. The other problem is

That the more Hillary campaigns the worse she does with the exception of WV and KY Obama has gained ground in every state. He was at 27% in the polls in December and is now ahead.

Hillary starts off strong but in every state she campaigns in she loses ground. She has no come from behind victories.

[Perry Logan]

13. Sudden, overwhelming sense of deja vu. Head reeling. Must like down.

[Orangepeel]

14. yeah, since she won't be running

I think that it is *possible* she could have won, although improbable. All hopes would have been pinned on Florida, and, knowing Florida like I do, I don't think that she would have won, current polls showing otherwise or no (against any other potential GOP nominee, maybe, but not against McCain).

Regardless, given the primary campaign that she ran compared to the primary campaign Obama ran, it is clear that he is the better candidate.

[graycem]

15. That's why they won't give it to her if for

no other reason, she cannot guarantee people will line up behind her if it seems illegitimate. If she and Obama were in different positions and he was the one behind, it would be a whole other matter.

[samsingh]

19. except maybe by the fox viewers who terry is kissing up to

[samsingh]

20. except maybe by the fox viewers who terry is kissing up to

[FrenchieCat]

24. Who is going to vote for her? Not many, I tell you that.....so yes,

she is unelectable!

[Frank Booth]

25. This is still an issue? Why?

If Hillary Clinton was electable (or at least the most electable Democrat), she would have won the nomination. She started the nomination race with every advantage possible and a 20 point lead. She even predicted it would be over by February 5th.

No offense, but I think it was obvious long ago that she's not electable.