HOW COULD SHE GO THERE!? Hillary, Political Psychopath*

[backscatter712]

Daily Kos: HOW COULD SHE GO THERE!? Hillary, Political Psychopath*

WHEN YOU SAY THE WORD "sociopath"most people think of serial killers. But although many serial killers are sociopaths, there are far more sociopaths leading ordinary lives. Chances are you know a sociopath. I say "ordinary lives," but what they do is far from ordinary. Sociopaths are people without a conscience. They don't have the normal empathy the rest of us take for granted. They don't feel affection. They don't care about others. But most of them are good observers, and they have learned how to mimic those feelings remarkably well.

WHAT DO THEY WANT?
... This is an interesting question. The answer is chilling: They want to win... whatever the game is decided to be. If they are in business, it is becoming rich. If it is sibling rivalry, it is defeating the sibling. If it is a contest, the goal is to dominate. If a sociopath is the envious sort, winning would be making the other lose, or fail, or be frustrated, or embarrassed.

A sociopath's goal is to win. And he is willing to do anything at all to win.

Adam Khan in "Common Everyday Sociopaths"

HOW COULD SHE!? Go there?

Because it was there. Merely another card in the strategic deck, a song in the repertoire for when the audience starts poking at the aspic.

You ask, "But didn't she REALIZE?"

HRC's remaining die-hards reply, "What-me-realize?" MSM spin. At our girl again.

You sputter, "Bu-but, what did she MEAN?"

HRC et al say, "Historic reference," you moronic misogynist!

Let Dr. Voberry explain.

She meant exactly what she said.

emmavoberry on Kos explained it much better than I could. Hillary Clinton is a sociopath. There's no other way to explain her behavior.

[baldguy]

1. Even sociopaths can add.

[Xipe Totec]

2. ...

[Bensthename]

3. Hillary is just having fun now, while destroying the dem party, give her a break..

Oh wait, nahhhh...

[MonkeyFunk]

4. Yes

a woman who's spent her life helping others is a sociopath. :eyes:

You guys are just nuts.

[backscatter712]

7. The truth hurts, doesn't it?

Your charismatic leader is a sociopath, who is using you.

Sorry to break it to you...

[Diane R]

12. Hillary spent her life helping Hillary. What has she really accomplished for us? (not health care)

[Divernan]

41. Enabling her serial adulterer husband & basking in his glory doesn't equate to helping others.

Neither does voting AGAINST banning the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas. All those years with the Rose law firm and on the Walmart Board - that was helping corporations. So your definition of "others" excludes civilian men, women and children and includes corporate fatcats.

[dailykoff]

5. That's as good an analysis as any.

Personally I think she was double-crossed by the Bush-CIA, who promised to make Obama go away and then didn't, so this is actually a fairly generous reading of the situation.

[Raine]

16. I agree because Scaife & Murdock support

very weird there has to be something very bizarre going on.

Edit: took out one word

[backscatter712]

18. Birds of a feather...

One thing I learned about the Bush Administration is that sociopaths do tend to hang together.

When Bush was "elected", not only did we get him, but we also got Cheney, Gonzales, Rumsfeld, etc. etc. etc. He's filled all of the upper echelons of the Executive branch with fellow sociopaths and turned our government into a truly toxic organization.

So why am I not surprised to see Clinton getting cozy with Scaife, Murdoch, Limbaugh, etc? Birds of a feather...

[AllentownJake]

6. I don't think she's a psycopath

I'm pretty sure she would do anything for her daughter and has done anything for Bill. A true sociopath or psycopath would not have been able to endure the embarrasment Bill caused her over Monica or would care for her own daughter. She's been very protective of Chelsea and a sociopath wouldn't be able to fake that.

I think she's being very selfish right now and is making mistakes but I don't think she's clinically a sociopath.

[backscatter712]

8. She's certainly acting like one, isn't she?

[AllentownJake]

9. We all probably act like one sometime in our lives

I don't like her or her actions however diagnosing her as a sociopath is kind of extreme.

[Major Hogwash]

33. Yeah - but big difference - we're not running for President!

When McGovern was forced to drop Thomas Eagleton as his vice president from his ticket, Eagleton responded by saying,"I'm the only member of the U.S. Senate that has been certified sane."
He was correct, of course.

He was replaced anyway.
McGovern later said he should have kept Eagleton on the ticket; that it was a mistake to give in to the notion that Eagleton wasn't mentally competent just because he had gone through some mental treatments.

Quite frankly, today I am more worried about McCain's state of mind than Hillary's.
Bubba has to deal with her, and that's his burden.

But, McCain is seriously bordering on the whacked out edge of the Twilight Zone, riding along on the looney tune express, flip-flopping on almost everything he has stood for in Congress for the last 25 years, since 1982.

[MindMatter]

26. Here's an interesting discussion of the diff between sociopath and psychopath

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-a-psychopath-and-a-sociopath.htm

I agree that she doesn't meet the full definition of either one, but she certainly is part of the way there. Much closer than anybody we'd want in the Oval Office, although I don't see how she would be worse than Bush. And McCain is borderline crazy too with his anger management problems and his inability to understand rather simple concepts.

[AllentownJake]

35. I don't think she should be President

and I also firmly believe that McCain is so desperate to become President he'll say anything.

McCain is going to snap. Obama gets under his skin more so than even Bush did in 2000. McCain sees himself as a reformer and the fact that Obama is the one who is getting the label over him is driving the man insane.

[Divernan]

42. HRC is very possessive of Bill & Chelsea; and very controlling of Chelsea

According to Carl Bernstein's bio of her, quoting from Bill's White House chief of staff, Bill tried to divorce her while he was governor of Arkansas,but "she had invested too much in his career" to let him go. She may "love" Chelsea, but one wonders how healthy that parent-child relationship is - particularly after Chelsea backed up her mother's lies about landing under sniper fire.

[hendo]

10. I've known she was a sociopath for quite a while, but that isn't an opinion thats good to broadcast

n/t

[KSinTX]

11. OK, so? She's losing. Let it rest in peace.

[MindMatter]

28. The issue is not that she's losing, but that she appears to be losing *IT*

[KSinTX]

30. Yes, and now she's New York's problem

and I'm just feeling a little righteous ... as in "better them than me."

[MindMatter]

40. Even in her current state, she's far from the worst Senator

I can't see her wanting to run for the Senate again in 2012, and I can't see New York wanting her to.

[blonndee]

13. Good possibility. My question is, do sociopaths KNOW they are sociopaths?

Seriously. Do they know others feel things they do not?

[backscatter712]

14. Many of them do know.

They just don't care. Their response is simply to pretend to emote and empathize with others to fit in, while looking for angles to get an advantage.

They're truly cold-blooded creatures.

[blonndee]

19. I would guess this gives them a feeling of superiority.

Just a hunch. This is interesting. I'd like to do some layman's research on this. I KIND of know what "sociopathic" means, but now I'm more interested.

[ShortnFiery]

27. No, sociopaths do not have an ounce of empathy BUT they measure as "completely normal"

on Psychological Tests such as The Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory (MMPI).

When they cry or show ANY emotion it is always linked to SELF and their personal selfish desires. Yes, that is the KEY criterion of a sociopath: absolutely ZERO regard for the feelings of others ... even so far as to not consider them human but something to USE to one's satisfaction.

Many people believe financially successful sociopaths to be "caring" and "warm" but it is just an act in their continuing efforts to manipulate others in order to serve the SELF.

HRC may not diagnostically qualify for an Antisocial Personality Disorder diagnosis, but IMO, it's safe to suggest that she demonstrates both narcissistic and sociopathic tendencies.

[smiley_glad_hands]

15. I guess it harkens back to her days as a college republican. eom

[yardwork]

21. Was Hillary still a Republican in 1968?

Could she possibly have been glad - or even unmoved - by Robert Kennedy's assassination?

I didn't think it was possible for anyone to feel that way about an assassination, but now I'm wondering.

[cliss]

37. I'm also wondering about the deaths ~

Someone over on the Daily Kos mentioned that "there have been an awful lot of deaths" connected with the Clintons.

I was not aware of any of this, of course I did not follow the Clintons at all during their careers.

Just - disturbing.

[Voice for Peace]

17. Another characteristic is people who enjoy fucking with other people's heads

for the sake of "winning" -- and being quite expert at it. -- able to always,
always, make the other person seem or feel wrong, even question their own
sanity.

[backscatter712]

20. Exactly. Note that in the aftermath of Clinton's assassination gaffe,

...all of the sudden, her shills are all screaming "It's Obama's fault!" Psychological projection, passive-aggressive manipulation, emotional blackmailing. We've seen it all.

[slinkerwink]

22. she's not a psychopath. She's just self-serving.

[MindMatter]

29. But isn't that really a continuum?

I don't believe she has reached psychpath-level on that continuum yet. But I also don't think she is mentally healthy.

[Window]

23. K/R.

:kick:

[ShortnFiery]

24. All that enters my mind is that one each, Hillary Clinton is figuratively, "Serial Candidate"

Damn, when will we see DAYBREAK?!? :scared:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sqOGo0tglU

"It's been a crazy Primary Campaign, hasn't it?"

[Yael]

25. That was a good read.

Martha Stout's admonition is apropos at this juncture: "If...you find yourself often pitying someone who consistently hurts you or other people, and who actively campaigns for your sympathy, the chances are close to one hundred percent that you are dealing with a sociopath."

Interesting.

[Cha]

31. Sociopaths have no conscience and I linked the

definition many times on DU when bush was the big decider.
I don't know if this the same site but it fits hilary's profile.. Hell, it fits bilary.

Profile of the Sociopath

"Glibness and Superficial Charm

Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.


Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."


Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.


Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.


Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.


Incapacity for Love


Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.


Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.


Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.


Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.


Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed."

<more>
http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

[Mme. Defarge]

34. What about the sympathy play? n/t

[Cha]

36. hilary's in a class by herself there...she's the little girl

who cried VICTIM one too many times.

[backscatter712]

38. I love that cartoon.

It sums her up perfectly!

[mudesi]

32. That's been obvious for quite a while now

Just by observing her actions during this campaign one can come to such a conclusion.

[DianaForRussFeingold]

39. Win at any cost-- You know,

her parents were both Republican so she was brought up with that philosophy...
Perhaps,she never learned the principles of humility and grace-- when you cause hurt,
you have a responsibility to apologize and make amends.
I believe it's called integrity.

What the World Needs....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhhZ2PDl-aM

[meow mix]

43. K&R

:crazy: