Only 13 primaries in 1968....Clinton wraps it upMarch 20th, not in June.

[FogerRox]

I thought a stroll down history lane was in order.


From Wiki


At the moment of RFK's death, the delegate totals were:

* Hubert Humphrey 561
* Robert F. Kennedy 393
* Eugene McCarthy 258



Only 13 states held a primary at this time:

Results by winners:

Eugene McCarthy: Illinois, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin

Robert F. Kennedy: California, Indiana, Nebraska, South Dakota

Lyndon B. Johnson: New Hampshire

Stephen M. Young: Ohio

George Smathers: Florida

RFK was endorsed by:

* Senator Abraham Ribicoff of Connecticut
* Senator George McGovern of South Dakota
* Governor Harold E. Hughes of Iowa
* Senator Vance Hartke of Indiana
* Writer Norman Mailer
* Labor Leader Cesar Chavez
* Actor Robert Vaughn


March 12: New Hampshire Primary McCarthy won 42% to Johnson's 49%.
March 16: Senator Kennedy announced his candidacy.
March 31: Following the New Hampshire primaries and Kennedy's entry into the election, the President Johnson startled the nation by announcing he would not seek re-election.
April 4, : Kennedy gave an impromptu speech in Indianapolis's inner city, announcing that MLK had been shot, in which Kennedy called for a reconciliation between the races.
Riots broke out in 60 cities in the wake of King's death, but not in Indianapolis, a fact many attribute to the effect of this speech.
May, 7th: RFK wins his first primary, in Indiana.
May,14th: Kennedy wins Nebraska.
June 4th : Kennedy wins South Dakota and California.
June, 05: Kennedy was shot in the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles, by Sirhan Sirhan,


There were only 13 primaries. And New Hampshire was March 12th. In 2008 NH was on January 8th. BIll CLinton had the Nomination wrapped on March 20th, not in June. What else does Hillary misremember ?

Tsongas, Broke, Halts Campaign For Presidency. Clinton Virtually Assured Of Democratic Nomination
By Paul F. Horvitz
Published: FRIDAY, MARCH 20, 1992

WASHINGTON: Paul E. Tsongas, out of money and running a distant second, halted his quest for the presidency on Thursday, leaving Governor Bill Clinton of Arkansas as the presumptive Democratic Party nominee to face President George Bush in November.


Herald Tribune.

Trying to compare Bill Clinton in '92 and RFK in '68 thru the common denominator: June, doesnt compute. There is no June connection, it doesnt exist.

[FogerRox]

1. Hillary needs to stay in it, in case..... something happens ?

And if Obama was taken down by scandal, Dems would turn to Hillary enmasse, against McInsane. SO Hillary doesnt have to continue her run to be in contention if something befalls Obama, and she is needed to be the nominee. She earned that much back in March.

If Hillary had dropped out in March, & Obama ate kittens on Larry King Live.... Hillary would be "Plan B" if something happened. Whether or not she stayed in the race. If Obama ate kittens.... I would work and vote for Hillary against McInsane. In a heartbeat.

[MadMaddie]

9. But...isn't it possible that we could go to the convention and totally

pick someone else, if the party is so disgusted with her and wants nothing to do with her .....Just sayin...

Hillary and her campaign have not always been...wait..have never been known to use mitigation in their plans.....just sayin...

[FogerRox]

28. Sure its possible. McCain could go apeshit at a reporter on live tv

in the middle of oct, giving Obama a huge 68% win.

[MadMaddie]

29. FogerRox...if I were a betting woman...I would put something

down on that scenario you noted......

[FogerRox]

31. Maybe it was wisful thinking........LOL

[Oceansaway]

2. just another...

ex--agger--ation is all....


:sarcasm:

[FrenchieCat]

3. Facts are like math......

They just get in the way......

Guess that's why the LIV vote Clinton.

[Stuart G]

4. Yes, this was mentiioned the night it happened..that

Hillary got this wrong too. I wonder why?

[yardwork]

5. Tears are running down my face again today.

How could Hillary Clinton say this? What's the matter with her.

[Major Hogwash]

6. Exactly! Which means she should've dropped out of the race at least a month ago!

She hasn't had the lead in pledged delegates since March 1st!!

[FogerRox]

17. DO I have this right, HRC is making the "Just in case" arguement ?

---- I'm staying in the race, just in case something happens-----

If she had dropped out in March, she would still be the go to girl... if something did happen.

[MonkeyFunk]

7. Your article says

Clinton "virtually assured" nomination. Not that he had it locked up.

Jerry Brown was still in the race, and a big win by Brown would've denied Clinton enough delegates to lock up the nomination. But Brown lost the CA primary in June, thus locking it up for Clinton.

In 1968, the contest was still being waged when Kennedy was killed in June.

Her point is that demands for her to drop out because the party needs to have a nominee before June is historically inaccurate.

[yardwork]

10. Why mention an assassination? Why didn't she just say -

"I'm not dropping out because the primaries aren't over and there isn't a winner yet."

Why did she have to bring up the assassination of a candidate?

[BeatleBoot]

11. RFK Jr is backing her up on her statement

So take your crocodile tears somewhere else.

[yardwork]

12. RFK Jr doesn't speak for me.

[BeatleBoot]

14. You're right. He speaks for his father.

And he still backs Hillary.

But carry on if it makes you feel better.

Let it out honey....

[FogerRox]

21. Thats an important point, RFK Jr isnt holding a grudge about it, not at all.

[JTFrog]

22. RFK Jr wasn't the one put in the crosshairs.

And the rest of RFK's family think a little different than the man that wants Mrs. Clinton's senate seat.

[FogerRox]

30. Yes, RFK jr has spoken about the NY senate seat..

[Asgaya Dihi]

16. The article also says

that where ours started in January that one in 68 started in March, by June only 13 primaries had been run. In this one all but a couple have been run and the last ones will be done by June.

Her drawing this comparison as a defense for her staying in the race or as a suggestion that races have often gone on this long is somewhere between a lie of omission and a blatant lie, but it is in no respects an honest comparison and I'm pretty sure she knew it. A timeline comparison would put that one into August to be of equivalent length, not June.

I don't know what motivated her and I won't try to guess, motives don't change the results anyway. Acts do. What she said was dishonest and what she brought up was dangerous, especially given the racial implications and death threats Obama has faced through the campaign. If people weren't already having enough dangerous ideas she made sure it was on the tops of everyones minds. And this isn't the first time she mentioned it. It's a pattern, and a bad one regardless of motive.

[FogerRox]

25. Yeah the primary seasons of '68 & '92 were a bit different

1968: Starts march 12th, ends June 4th. 13 primaries.
I think '92 started in January, ended in June.

In 2008 we have.... was it 37 or 39 state primaries...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29_presidential_primaries%2C_2008

[FogerRox]

20. I'd be good with that, but then why not just say

"The point is that demands for me to drop out because the party needs to have a nominee before June is historically inaccurate."

Fine I could buy that, though I would offer that the picture is a bit muddy. Is it not true that in some cases the candidate has heeded the call to get out.

But overall is Hillary saying shes staying in the race, just in case ? I mean if HRC dropped out in March, Obama ate kittens on Larry King live in July. In my book Hillary is the go to girl at that point.

[Dark]

27. Yea, but there are no big primaries left.

It'd be one thing if California or New York still had to vote. But there's really nothing left, at least not in the numbers to sway the race and super D's

[BeatleBoot]

8. Clinton became the nominee on June 2, 1992 - the Night of the California Primary

Clinton secured the delegates he needed to win the nomination on the night of the California primary — June 2, 1992.

Fact.

[Condem]

13. I do believe that RFK hopped in real late

Did he not?

[OhioBlue]

15. yes. sometime in March, I think.

so he had only been campaigning for a couple of months in June. Hillary and Obama have been campaigning for 14+ months. There is no comparison between '68 and '08 that justifies her staying in the race.

I guess she "misremembered" again. I'm starting to think that if she is campaigning on experience but doesn't remember a damn thing correctly, how can she use that as an asset?

[rebel with a cause]

19. Perhaps Hillary is having some Senior Moments

I am so famous for having. ;)

I am pretty sure McCain is having them daily. So much for me asking people to respect older folks like me.:dilemma:

[OhioBlue]

24. Naw - she's not having "senior moments"

She's either intentionally misleading or she is pathological.

It isn't about her forgetting where she put the car keys or mixing up names, which happens to everyone.

[FogerRox]

26. You have to pace yourself, or stupid shit happens.

Sleep depravation can/should be avoided.

[rebel with a cause]

18. He was only in six weeks when he was shot.

So I read about. :shrug:

[FogerRox]

23. March 16th

March 12: New Hampshire Primary McCarthy won 42% to Johnson's 49%.
March 16: Senator Kennedy announced his candidacy.
March 31: Following the New Hampshire primaries and Kennedy's entry into the election, the President Johnson startled the nation by announcing he would not seek re-election.
April 4, : Kennedy gave an impromptu speech in Indianapolis's inner city, announcing that MLK had been shot, in which Kennedy called for a reconciliation between the races.
Riots broke out in 60 cities in the wake of King's death, but not in Indianapolis, a fact many attribute to the effect of this speech.
May, 7th: RFK wins his first primary, in Indiana.
May,14th: Kennedy wins Nebraska.
June 4th : Kennedy wins South Dakota and California.

[IamyourTVandIownyou]

32. I know. It's May. ;)

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