Hillary's gaffe presents an enormous opportunity for people who want to divide our party.

[bleever]

They're taking it.

Here, there, and everywhere.

There is a lot of sincere regret and even anger among Democrats. Which makes for an excellent opportunity for some people to sink to the level of crying, from the back of the crowd, "Burn her! She is a witch!" I've seen too much of it to not say anything.

Just because I support Barack Obama and look forward with deeply heartfelt emotion to his presidency and the repair of American democracy, that doesn't mean that I'm blind to the destructive impulses that seek to fan the flames of anger and division.

Some of it is from within our ranks, and some from without.

None of it helps to promote the agenda of President Obama.

Enough.

[skooooo]

1. I agree

I didn't like what she said, but it's time to move on and look to the future and accept her apology.

[FARAFIELD]

5. If she had apologized, in her OP Ed she blamed me for thinking thats what she meant

OUCH, bad me.

[papau]

16. True - you only did/thought what David and the Obama campaign wanted you to think

[cliffordu]

20. Complete bullshit. I feel for ya.

[union_maid]

30. We can think

I saw the whole thing "context" and all before it made any cable shows and I was so horrified it took my breath away. I don't get MSNBC at all and didn't see any coverage there until it was up on the web. I don't need Gregory or Olbermann or anyone else to tell me what to think. I heard it, I knew that the historical references didn't make any sense in terms of the question about party unity. The only thing left to believe was that a gratuitous reference to assassination when she's in a race with a man who is at extra risk for same.

[bleever]

People fault her for not saying

"I didn't mean that Obama should be assassinated."

Anyone who thinks that a politician could, or should, formulate the kind of statement that would give that meme even further momentum is being disingenuous, or naive.

[gateley]

13. No --

She could have said "I'm really sorry. I shouldn't have cited that example. It was wrong. " That's all she needs to say. Not "I regret if it was taken...not my intent..."

[bleever]

24. That would have been

a more artful apology. I wish she had said something more like that.

[FARAFIELD]

36. Hey BLEEVER

People arent very forgiving when other candidates fantasies concern death and assorted Bodily harm. She can take her candidacy and shove it up her ASS. The Liz Trotta thing just showed that Hillary made it Mainstream, Its Hillarys MaCaCa moment times 3

[BlooInBloo]

2. While you're busy being concerned, others are taking Clinton's Vulture strategy...

and ratcheting it up even further to full-blown assassination wishing on national tv.

But your concern is fucking noted.

[bleever]

6. Thank you for helping.

Who, I'm not sure.

[BlooInBloo]

10. Will you still be concerned about dividing the fucking party when they shoot him too?

In just **2 DAYS** we've seen the progression from Clinton's campaign strategy being Obama's death to journalists publically calling for his death.

We've got **6 MONTHS** to go.

Talk about not being sure who's helping who.

[bleever]

18. If you are suggesting that I am promoting assassination,

or anyone who promotes it, you are wrong.

[FARAFIELD]

37. Im not saying you promote it

But if you think what she said was taken out of context, defensible or otherwise you are in the 1% who does and will end up being on a very sad side of History.

[KittyWampus]

8. and you and a lot of DU'ers are just as sick by reacting in kind. You don't stop teh stupid

by validating it with constant, continuing obsession on it.

[bleever]

17. I think that "Stop teh stupid" is a great rallying cry

for those of us tired of those putting so much energy into something that hurts, rather than helps, the prospects for President-to-be Obama.

[FARAFIELD]

3. Any body that thinks what she said is acceptable can LEAVE the party

we dont need them, in fact can win without them.

[BeatleBoot]

12. RFK Jr. is Sticking Up for Her

So you get the job of telling him to leave the party.

Please let us know how that turns out.

[Catherina]

15. And the rest of the Kennedy family is furious. More pick and choose I see n/t

[emilyg]

46. Link to their comments, please.

[smiley_glad_hands]

4. I've been ready to move on.

Just waiting on Hill and her supporters.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

7. that person who wants to divide the party is "Tuzla" "3 AM" "Ready on Day 1" Hillary

She's run a nasty campaign.

[LakeSamish706]

9. I just want her to please get out of the race before she does anymore damage. n/t

[Cha]

11. hilary's the fucking Divider and is blaming Obama for

her fuck up. hilary needs to be removed from politics..she's no damn good for anything except her dirty little lies.

[bleever]

23. zidzi, you're a serious poster.

Don't you think that some people are whipping this up to hurt our ability to unite in November?

[Jed Dilligan]

34. And that person is... her.

She is saying divisive shit to make us lose.

[FARAFIELD]

38. "WHIPPING this UP?" and the famous "SOME PEOPLE"

That some people that said it was HIllary, the one who didnt apologize was (wait for it) Hillary, this is her thing. Dont blame the famous "some people" David Axelrod was on tv hours after and was very gracious so dont blame this on OBAMA

[bleever]

42. I'm thinking of people who don't want either Obama OR Clinton.

People invested in keeping tempers as high as possible for as long as possible.

If the GOP is once again successful at fostering a split in our party, we're doomed, but that's going to take a lot of work because Obama is such a superior candidate to McCain.

[marions ghost]

14. those forces of division you refer to

have always been with us. Nothing new at this point. HRC has helped deepen those divisions but they were there already.

Some reading this will take your vow of silence.

Some will continue to speak out about the tenor and implications of the way HRC has run her campaign.

It's nearly impossible to control that (other than cautioning people about unacceptable language).

It won't slow down until a nominee is officially named, the sooner the better.

Then let the peacemaking begin.

[bleever]

19. I think you're right.

I'm just too tired of the people crying "Fire!" in our theater to have remained silent.

Thanks for a reasoned response.

[marions ghost]

29. I understand...

:grouphug:

The right people will be with us at the right time & there WILL be an opportunity for healing soon.
Obama's positive message is unbeatable.

Which is not to say it won't take hard work but it's absolutely doable.

[dailykoff]

21. Um, the Clintons are dividing our party.

We don't need them, we don't owe them anything, they're contributing nothing, they need to go. PERIOD. They do not need to be defended, humored, understood, or appealed to.

THEY ARE NOW WORKING FOR THE BUSH-CHENEY-MCCAIN-RIGHT WING AND THEY ARE NOT OUR FRIENDS. Please try to understand that.

[bleever]

22. Should all the Hillary supporters also leave the party?

Seriously, what do you think, dailykoff?

[dailykoff]

25. Did I say or suggest that? The problem is the Clintons,

not their supporters. I just made a post to that effect.

[bleever]

26. I understand,

and I'm not being facetious or cynical.

But I'm worried that this vilification of Hillary is being accelerated in a way that doesn't help bringing the Hillary voters out for Obama in November. Do you think that's something to consider?

[dailykoff]

27. Yes, it's clearly an issue

and I think Obama's campaign is well aware of it. The fact that it IS an issue is what I'm talking about however. The Clintons are making trouble by ginning up hatred and distrust of the nominee. It should NEVER have gotten to this idiotic point but they're divisive snakes and now we're in another pickle. I'll be SO glad to see those two crooks gone forever. :mad:

[bleever]

28. I get it.

I just want to find the best way forward, and I think some people are exploiting this situation to keep that from happening.

Thanks for your response.

[FARAFIELD]

40. SHe should be Villified,

unless you think saying that about OBama, and how it lead directly to the subject of this post is "COOL"

[Patsy Stone]

31. Repeat after me, Hillary:

"I want to apologize. I used a word with disturbing and difficult connotations. I'm sorry to have offended so many people. Please, forgive me."

[bleever]

32. If you don't

do this professionally, it's a shame.

Not only would that have worked so much better, it would have prevented the opening that so many non-Democrats have leapt to pry wider with whatever tool is closest at hand.


Seriously: that would have been THE statement to put this behind all of us.

:thumbsup:

[Patsy Stone]

33. Flattery

will get you everywhere.

I wrote that here, earlier today, in a thread about her Op-Ed, wherein she just continued digging.

To be honest, I've been all over the place on this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6104199&mesg_id=6104430
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6116935&mesg_id=6117443

p.s. Got another kitty yesterday. Her name (at the moment) is Mollie. :)

[bleever]

35. I'm sorry

that your level of care and scrutiny hasn't characterized Hillary's campaign.

People got millions for providing worse guidance.

Shoulda been yours.

[earth mom]

39. Interesting how you have ZERO recs on this thread-Obviously Obama nuts don't like to hear the truth.

:eyes:

[FARAFIELD]

41. I like to hear the truth of Hillary FUcking up

And she did. Of course she tried to blame ME for taking it the wrong way. Thats OK i enjoyed my weekend, primarily because I dont wish people dead, and give FOX news talking points. But then again she was busy this weekend. This just makes the victory that is coming all the sweeter.

[Swamp Rat]

43. Proud to be the FIRST to recommend this thread!

:patriot:

[bleever]

48. So YOU

are the twisted bastard.

I thought this attempt at pointing out how the heirs of Pat Buchanan might be taking advantage of this unfortunate situation had circled its way down the drain.

:patriot:

[Straight Shooter]

44. I haven't noticed you on GDP in a while. I was very interested in hearing your thoughts.

You never disappoint. :thumbsup:

I remember you: The wheels of the gods turn slowly, but they grind exceedingly fine.

[bleever]

49. It's gratifying

to get such a response. Thanks.

I know there are plenty of people like you who understand that my main concern in the OP is that some of the impetus for fanning the antipathy between the backers of Obama and Clinton is coming from outside the party. As for those who want to escalate the conflict who are actually Democrats, all we can do is to engage sincerely, and hope it makes a difference.

[Straight Shooter]

53. "fanning the antipathy"

Like an arsonist who enjoys watching things burn for his amusement.

You were always one of my favorite DU'ers. Carry on. :hi:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

45. The battle between the left and right wings of the party have been going on since it's inception.

Now, it's out in the open, and the gloves are off.

[bleever]

50. Agree.

And if history is a guide, the GOP will egg both sides on, and will do what they can to make Democratic unity as difficult as possible.

[emilyg]

47. k/r

[DeepModem Mom]

51. A wise and generous post, bleever. nt

[crankychatter]

they always "call for unity" right after kicking us in the nads

it's a list of talking points that rotates like it's straight from the desk of Karl Rove

ya'all need some new material

[mcg]

52. I agree. nt