This is where Obama and Hillary stands with pledged delegates (which MATTERS, not popular votes)

[Hawkeye-X]

(credit goes to http://demconwatch.blogspot.com)

[Skittles]

1. strange but talk of delegate vs popular

always reminds me of how bush got installed into office

[Gore1FL]

2. Not really

That was FL not counting the votes properly in a mandatory recount, the SCOTUS changing the rules, and the wrong slate of electors going to DC.

National Pop vote was never the argument. Only the uncounted FL popular vote.

[Skittles]

3. Gore still won the overall popular vote n/t

[anonymous171]

4. There aren't cauci (caucuses?) in the GE. So you can correctly calculate the popular vote

[Skittles]

6. the point is

the popular vote very matters to WE THE PEOPLE

[anonymous171]

7. Yes. And WE THE PEOPLE includes caucus states where their votes are measured in Pledged Delegates.

[Skittles]

9. I KNOW HOW THE FUCK THINGS WORK

the op in the original post thinks only one part matters - I'm simply pointing out that to WE THE PEOPLE, THE POPULAR VOTE DOES *MATTER* - now please GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME.

[Gore1FL]

10. I agree it matters a lot

but the delegates are a reflection of Democratic turnout in general elections.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/D-Alloc.phtml

The way contests are held during the nomination phase, popular vote doesn't work due to caucus representation. Ultimately, though pledged delegates reflect a better projection of what the primary and caucus results translate into as far as GE representation.

[AZBlue]

11. But no one's mentioned that until now.

It was never the point - and is only now the point of Clinton supporters. Where was Clinton during the Gore fiasco? Was she screaming "popular vote" then? Was she screaming anything at all?

[grantcart]

5. thanks for that

246/287 = 86% lol

[Cha]

8. Thank you, Hawkeye and demconwatch!

Here we are waiting with bated breath ..for Obama to get the magic number.

Are we still waiting for Oregon? I heard June 7th.

[GoesTo11]

12. Hillary needs more than 5x as many delegates as Obama!

Obama needs 49. 49 x 5 = 245. Hillary needs 246!

Think she'll get it?

You know, Hillary isn't the only one who only started saying caucuses are undemocratic after she lost them. All her supporters who are making this claim never made it before either.

[gateley]

13. OT --

I love your username!

[GoesTo11]

14. Hey, what's wrong with being sexy?

[aaaaaa5a]

15. If the Popular vote was going to decide the nomination

There would have been no campaign in New Hampshire and Iowa, Wisconsin and even West Virginia. Nobody would be campaigning in Montana or South Dakota this week!

And Obama (as well as Clinton) would have spent more time in large states like his home state of Illinois and California to increase his popular vote total.

No state would have a Caucus. And even among states that held primaries, rules stipulating closed (dems only), partial (independents), or open (everyone) primaries leads to wildly different raw voting totals.

By the way, many states don't even count raw caucus votes. They are estimates. So as soon as you go to the popular vote theory you are actually disenfranchising the voters of many states, the Clinton team pretends to care so deeply about.

[thoughtcrime1984]

16. Couldn't have said it better myself! nt