Yay! Ohio for Obama!!!

[RazBerryBeret]

other state match ups here
http://www.surveyusa.com/index.php/2008/05/23/ohio-vp-matchups/

[SheilaT]

1. Is Kathleen Sebelius really

a serious consideration for VP?

She's my governor and I'd hate to lose her, but I'd be thrilled to see her as veep.

[greenbriar]

9. Me too

She is AWESOME

Kansas would lose out, but the United States would be a winner

[FARAFIELD]

26. I agree with you about Gov. S

Hillary goes on about what an awesome Pol she is, lets see her get elected and reelected in Kansas to the big office.

[proud2BlibKansan]

33. She doesn't have enough foreign policy experience

I would love to see her get the nom but I honestly think there are better choices.

[hokies4ever]

44. She was considered the favorite by many back in February

although she's probably lost some support by now because of Hillary's antics. Also, as you probably know, Kansas has a 2-term limit for governor.

[hokies4ever]

45. I watched the youtube video of her endorsing Obama at an Obama rally

and the two of them looked like they had perfect political chemistry. They look like they've been best friends for decades.

[d_b]

2. can't wait to see who he picks for VP

:bounce:

[But....]

3. But..

what about Webb?:bounce:

[RazBerryBeret]

4. I thought the SAME thing...

I would LOVE to see him pick Webb. odd that he isn't in there.

[But....]

5. Yea...

don't get me wrong, there are some great choices up there(If Edwards would take it, it would be a lock!), but I believe Webb would fit on the ticket beautifully.:woohoo:

[RazBerryBeret]

6. anyone who refused to shake Chimpy's hand

is ok in my book!

even though he is young, but I LOVED his response to the State of the Union this year.

[Jane Austin]

7. Young?

Isn't he 60 or so?

Most Viet Nam veterans are in their sixties these days.

[RazBerryBeret]

11. Ok, just had to look it up...

and you're right! he is 62. ok, not so young, but I still like him for VP!!

[Jane Austin]

37. My red-headed son's hair isn't red any more, and he's a lot

younger than Webb.

Wonder about that hair.

[RazBerryBeret]

39. you're right...

red heads are the first to go grayish...
(yep, former strawberry blonde girl here...)
does make you wonder...

[But....]

10. His age is one of the reasons I like him....

on the ticket, 8 years from now another strong democratic president would be ready to run.
:rofl: I had forgotten about that meeting :woohoo: another good reason to like Webb:patriot:

[truedelphi]

41. Webb has been adamantly stating he won't take the VP Spot

Though I sure wish he'd consider it.

[Yael]

8. NOT Rendell!!!!

Please, oh please, oh please.

I can't stand the though of his foot-in-mouth disease for the next 6 months.

[RazBerryBeret]

12. it looks like the people in Ohio

agree with you!
he did the worst with Rendell.

but Webb didn't make the list, and neither did Strickland. (Gov. of Ohio--Clinton supporter)

[MonkeyFunk]

13. Remember that big screen

that came up when you posted this, with two big choices for which forum to put it in? You chose wrong.

[RazBerryBeret]

14. my bad, I'll try to get it moved.

thx.

[ThatsMyBarack]

15. At least this thread....

Hasn't been locked for no apparent reason....

[CatWoman]

17. the "apparent" reason

is that it is in the wrong forum.

[RazBerryBeret]

19. No it's not locked

or you couldn't have left your snotty remarks.
thank you.

[CatWoman]

21. got a kleenex?

I got lots of snot left.

p.s. -- It ain't locked "yet"....

[RazBerryBeret]

23. maybe you're allergic to cats.

here's a box of tissue, help yourself.

[CatWoman]

29. actually

i'm allergic to people who can't follow simple fucking rules.

[RazBerryBeret]

30. ah. well I suppose

there aren't many of us mortals quite as perfect as you.
apologies, again....

[CatWoman]

16. lol

some folks just can't follow simple, basic rules :)

[RazBerryBeret]

18. ok, I apologized,

and I'm trying to get it moved..
this is the first time I've done that.

but thanks for your concern.

[CatWoman]

20. "the kind you find in a second hand store......."

:)

[RazBerryBeret]

22. And if it was warm she wouldn't wear much more...

[Bluebear]

24. Overcast days never turned me on.

[RazBerryBeret]

25. But something about the clouds and her mixed

ha ha!!

[Jack Rabbit]

27. But . . . bit . . . but . . .

Obama can't carry Ohio. That's why we have to nominate Hillary and lose the other 49 states.

[RazBerryBeret]

28. good point!

as an Ohioan, I do have to admit that this surprised me a LITTLE bit!

[Tarheel_Dem]

31. Any way you slice, the choice seems obvious to me. I like Jim Webb,

but I don't think he's as nationally known as Edwards. Has Edwards definitely said he doesn't want it? I think if there were a groundswell of support nationwide, as there seems to be in OH, Edwards would do it for the party. Just a hunch.

[RazBerryBeret]

32. you're probably right.

I heard a talking head today say that when it comes down to it, no one would turn it down.
I would only be concerned about Elizabeth's health...he may want something less all-encompassing

[Tarheel_Dem]

34. You're right. He would definitely have to consider Elizabeth. But,

I think she'd be fine with it. Afterall, if he had won the nomination, he'd be out there working as hard as HRC and Obama anyway. Hopefully, if it's seriously offered to him, he'll accept. If not, Jim Webb's my next preference.

[RazBerryBeret]

35. totally with you on that.

and can you imagine how differently we (and DU) would be if the two left standing were Obama and Edwards?

[CitizenLeft]

55. About Edwards: I know many say he won't help because...

...he was Kerry's running mate. But just maybe he's polling so well as VP because people regretting their vote for Bush feel a certain karmic compensation is due him. Or, maybe because he's become so much better at campaigning. His speeches didn't inspire me in '04, but they sure do now. He seems sincere about fighting poverty, and it's given him a real voice and a cause to advance. I remember his 2 America's in '04, but he's crystallized it now, and is much more passionate. Maybe it's made him a better candidate.

Oh, and, as an Ohioan... :woohoo:

[LiberalAndProud]

36. Those Obama/Edwards numbers are impressive.

McCain's stance on free trade at work in Ohio! Woo-Hoo!

[GOPBasher]

38. Damn Obama kicks ass with Edwards, too bad he isn't interested

in the VP. If we win Ohio, we win the election. I hope Edwards at least campaigns for him.

[ShadowLiberal]

40. Those Obama/Edwards numbers don't sound believable

Are those numbers all from the same poll? Because if so I'd have a very difficult time believing the whole thing, simply from the Obama Edwards numbers. I doubt that even an Obama/Extremely popular Ohioan could win Ohio by 12 to 18 percent, and Edwards doesn't live anywhere near Ohio.

Edit: Oh and remember 2004, if Edwards really helps Obama carry the state by 12+% then why did Kerry lose Ohio with Edwards on the ticket? Kerry wasn't blown out of the water, so you can't say "well without Edwards he would have done much worse".

[PM7nj]

46. SUSA had Democrats as 52% of the sample.

Which is a bit odd since in 2004 only 40% of the electorate were Democrats.

There is some analysis of it here: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/05/party-identification-in-ohio.html

[rucky]

53. Strickland did. 60-37

[RazBerryBeret]

54. Except Kerry won Ohio...

the votes were stolen, north and south.
we had a dumb ass for Secretary of State, he was also Chief Elections Official of Ohio and honorary co-chair of the "Committee to re-elect George W. Bush---yeah, that didn't work out so well.

[Dark]

42. So the only candidate that wins him the election is HUCKABEE! God, Ohio is a stupid state.

/I should know, I live in it.

[RazBerryBeret]

50. ha ha..

I live in Ohio too, and I agree,
although we did get in right in 04, just were stupid enough to elect Blackwell. Thank GOD that mad didn't make Governor!!!

[MagickMuffin]

43. Why oh WHY, are they pushing Hagel?.?.?

:shrug:

Why didn't they include other Democrats, such as Bill Richardson (since they polled NM), Wes Clark, or any other great Dems?.?.?



I went to their website and they claimed there are 16 matchups. I only found 4 of them.

Ohio

Virginia

Pennsylvania

New Mexico


If anyone finds out how to access the rest of the matchups please post them here.

[dbmk]

47. Could it have been the 16 VP matchups for each state they were talking about?

[MagickMuffin]

48. I have no idea

As far as I could tell it has the same VP candidates names on the four polls I could access. It just amazes me that they would put Hagel as a possible Obama running mate.

I have a problem with rethuglicons who after years in congress to make our country better when they had the opportunity to do something constructive, now think they can do a better job after leaving.

Case in point Bob Barr, was a representative for years, voted for the "Drug War", the "Patriot Act" but now he's seen the light and wants to change the system.

Why didn't he do that when he had the means to do something?.?.?

Does he really think he could change the system if he became president?.?.?


I don't want a rethuglicon on our ticket, period.

[RazBerryBeret]

51. no, I think Hagel

would be a big mistake.

I may read his book, cause it sounds interesting--but I don't want him on our ticket!

[CitizenLeft]

56. I found this explanation when I clicked on the VA polling...

There’s a finite limit to the number of names we can test in a given poll; we’re aware not naming Jim Webb in Virginia (or Bill Richardson in New Mexico, among others) seems an oversight. Asking the same names in each state does mean it will take us a little time to cover most of the possibilities — and we think there’s value to getting a baseline tracking point for the less likely possibilities as well. Doing so means that SurveyUSA can show you that in October of 2006, John McCain led Barack Obama among Virginia’s registered voters by 20 points. Today, 19 months later, the same question, using the same methodology, as you can see in the table below, shows Barack Obama defeating John McCain by 7 points.

Looks like they've gotten complaints.

[davidpdx]

49. Oh come on there's NO WAY Obama can win a swing state

:sarcasm:

[rucky]

52. I really like those Edwards numbers. n/t