3 Minutes and 15 seconds to explain why Hillary has so many detractors!

[aaaaaa5a]

I apologize if this video has been posted here before. But tonight is the first time I've seen it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oxyrWRUfe1c

[democracy1st]

1. wow great job jed, she would lie to a turnip

[TahitiNut]

2. She's damned near as truth-challenged as Shrub.

At least HIS saving grace is that he can't tell the difference. She just LIES 'cause it sounds better to her.

:puke:

[cliffordu]

3. DING DING DING We have a winner!!! Exactly right.

[MindMatter]

12. Here's the tough question. Which is the more pathological liar in that family?

At the beginning of the campaign, I think everyone would have said Bill, but I think she takes him.

[TahitiNut]

35. Clearly, she's the more facile liar.

She lies for the most trivial self-aggrandizement (e.g. Bosnia sniper) and whenever the political winds change and put her in a bind (e.g. NAFTA spin). She makes nearly indefensible capitulations since she's far more prone to comply with the biggest powerbase than take a stance on principle (e.g. Kyl/Lieberman, clusterbombs). She POSTURES, employing the rhetoric of principle, and then betrays the fact it's simply a "principle of convenience" or rationalization. It sounded 'good' to claim the "election is about you, the people, and not about us." But if you merely take a scratchpad and tally the "us" credits vs. the "me" debits for both Clinton and Obama in any stump speech, you'll find a HUGH difference. Hillary's rhetoric is self-serving - and I cannot take her seriously on ANY of it.

Bill seemed to be keenly aware of the line separating fact from facade. He tip-toed up to it on many occasions, and even on top of it ... but demonstrated an understanding of how to be deceptive without (techically) lying. He just didn't lie for the "convenience" of it whenever it just 'sounded better.' This is why he got the reputation for "Clintonian parsing" ... where Hillary invests no such efforts.

[anigbrowl]

4. You just don't get it! If you take her words and make an anagram...

[aaaaaa5a]

5. With Video Like That...

Could you imagine what the Republicans and the 527's would do to her in the fall. Sometimes in our over analysis of Obama's weaknesses, we forget the TONS OF BAGGAGE Clinton brings to a general election.

[Heather MC]

7. I wouldn't call it "BAGGAGE"

I'd call it a one of kind matchin luggage set
complete with secret comparments
two carry on bags
4 suit cases on wheels to be rolled around every where she goes

a hanging bag filled with skelatons, real bones

a backpack

a 3 make up bags, how do you think she lies so well she is well stocked
you can barely get those bags zipped


and a bag just for pantsuits.
they are color coordinated and labled for each day of the week
Red is friday unless there is a scandal then it's black day

Gold is always wednesday

Green doesn't have a day she wheres that whenever she looks at campaign debts, to remind people she needs money

[Canuckistanian]

37. You put a lot of thought into that post didn't you?

I liked it.

:thumbsup:

[intaglio]

6. Proud to K&R

I wonder what the extreme Hillary fans hear when they see that?

[ForeignSpectator]

8. Probably this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

[MindMatter]

13. More likely this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Sudw4ghVe8

[aaaaaa5a]

17. That is just so wrong on so many levels.....

Watching it gave me goose-bumps.

[ForeignSpectator]

26. Oh. Lord. Where did you dig that up? Or did you actually visit the site?!

Well, it's not so horribly made as the usual stuff from her supporters.

But dare I say it's a wee-bit sexist? The line where she sings "Obama is nice but you got something he lacks..."
And that girl is probably gonna vote for mccain.

No thanks, I'll go with HER : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbQoL-cazsg

[PM7nj]

9. Wow. I haven't heard her Arkansas accent in years.

Where did that go? Oh yea... she became a New Yorker.

[dascientist]

10. K&R

[SeattleGirl]

11. Deception!

Hilary, do you not realize that we can track what you say? Either you do and choose to ignore it, or you think (or hope) that this country is populated almost entirely by a bunch of dumbfucks.

:banghead:

[bvar22]

30. Hillary's Base = Low Information Voter (LIV).

Hillary has already admitted that all the smart people are voting for Obama, but Hillary believes that there are more dumbasses in America than smart people. She may be right, and has tailored her bumper sticker campaign to appeal to the Low Information Voter.

[Bright Eyes]

14. Facts are sexist.

:sarcasm:

[u2spirit]

15. Very damaging indeed

This is damning as hell.

[Clear Blue Sky]

16. Liar liar, pants on fire...

[dchill]

32. pantsuit on fire...

:shrug:

[indimuse]

18. snip snip edit edit....BS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEQV4K1eFjI&watch_response how about a dose of TRUTH for once!

[dchill]

20. Jesse Jackson Jr is a little off-topic in this thread...

about Hillary's credibility.

[aaaaaa5a]

21. Is That On Topic?

Did you mean to post that here?


I didn't get what Jackson's analysis of Clinton's tears (good or bad) has to do with her credibility?

[aaaaaa5a]

22. And To Think...

This is actually a little old.


You easily add to it, her comments about the delegations of Florida and Michigan BEFORE she fell behind in the race.

And what she said about the Democratic Primary fight being about Delegates, BEFORE she changed the rules to make it about popular vote.


It's amazing!

[Spazito]

19. The internet is hell on politicians who say one thing one day and the opposite the next....

Thanks for posting this, it was interesting, to say the least.

[MindMatter]

24. The interesting question is "Does netroots matter?"

This whole environment in evolving rapidly. Any politician who thinks the MSM is still driving the bus is making a big mistake.

Just a tiny example. This morning, NPR (a solid part of the MSM) led with the news of Obama receiving the three SDs from Hawaii. And they followed that that leaves him just 49 to go.

We know where that information came from: http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/ No doubt about that.

When the Iraq war started, the MSM fell into the Pentagon game of not really tallying the death toll. But that all changed when the MSM discovered http://icasualties.org/oif. ICasualties had the real news, not the Pentagon. demconwatch has the real facts about the race, not the campaigns.

Almost every day, you see the MSM play a youtube video as part of their coverage of a story.

We are watching the endgame for traditional media. They have mostly eliminated their news gathering/vetting capability and now hire little more than personalities to read the news or argue about the news. They are coming to depend on the netroots as the source of information. I have one word for them: disintermediation.

If they do not add any value to the process, they will disappear.

[Spazito]

25. It has been fascinating to watch it's evolution....

and see how it has already changed how the media has gone from ignoring it to depending on it. The media will have to go back to honest reporting or become even more irrelevant than it is right now, imo. youtube has brought about an even greater transformation. It, too, has allowed the average person to have a say, to put forward their perspective and, in the case of this thread, put politicians on notice that what they say and HAVE SAID in the past will be used to hold them accountable.

There certainly has been movement by those who feel threatened by the internet to try and limit access and it is something we must ALL watch for and fight against.

[MindMatter]

28. Oh, they can't go back

#1, they got rid of most of the folks who knew how to do that

#2, today's generation of "journalists" has grown up on the concept of appearing pretty in front of the cameras. I doubt that journalism schools even teach anything about conducting research, pursuing stories, and making a case based on accumulated facts.

#3, netroots has the unfair advantage of utilizing the considerable talents of hundreds of thousands of people. Collectively the netroots had much greater access to information, knowledge of history, and ability to sort through intentionally tedious detail on order to discover the most important and evasive truths. No MSM organization will be able to do that.

It is an interesting hypothetical whether this was inevitable or not. Was there a time when, if the MSM had done their job, maybe netroots wouldn't have taken hold?

[Spazito]

31. You raise a very interesting question....

"Was there a time when, if the MSM had done their job, maybe netroots wouldn't have taken hold?"

Netroots would still have taken hold, imo, for the multitude of reasons outside of "news" that it is relevant today ie research, etc, but it would not have become the critical avenue to seek out the facts re the "news" it has become, certainly to me, had the mainstream news media not abdicated it role in being a check and balance on the "powers that be" and become what it used to abhor.

[MindMatter]

33. I think that's about right

The knock on "the internets" was that information was unreliable.

That is certainly true. You can find anything and everything on the Internet, and much of it is flat out wrong.

But two things happened:

1) The MSM became completely unreliable for the quality of their information. Basically they haven't gotten any of the big stories right in the new millennium.

2) Trustworthy sources have emerged on the Internet. I don't have to wonder if the Iraq casualties site is accurate. I know it is well researched. The Internet gives them them means to include the raw data along with the conclusions so there is no doubt as to their credibility.

The net effect is a most ironic flip-flop. The MSM is no longer trustworthy or trusted -- for good reason. And the Internet can be trusted so long as the reader relies on sites that earn that trust. And it is relatively easy to validate the credibility of Internet sources.

If a person relies on a random collection of websites and brings no critical judgment to the search, then the MSM is probably marginally more trustworthy than the Internet. But if a person is capable of even a minimal amount of critical thinking, they can do much better on the 'net than they can do with any MSM source these days.

My thesis is that it was inevitable that trustworthy sources would emerge on the Internet, but it was not inevitable that the MSM would become so untrustworthy. They did that to themselves.

[Spazito]

34. Well said! The internet has given the average person to seek out...

multiple sources on any given subject to gain the most accurate summary of the facts whereas the media no longer seeks those facts from their "multiple sources", imo.

[aaaaaa5a]

36. Good Post!!!

The evolution of the Internet is really interesting.

10 years ago if I read something online I would wait to see the story on TV or in the newspaper for validity.

Now if I see a story on TV, I go online to to check it's validity and find out more details as to what happened.

It's evolved even further to the point where I know get information online and wonder "why the mainstream media isn't reporting it?"

In way it's really sad that often this message board breaks stories BEFORE they appear on TV or print.

[aaaaaa5a]

23. I don't Believe How Easy It Is To Prove Clinton Lied!

Here's the Clinton campaign including Hillary commenting on Michigan and Florida when the thought they were going to wrap up the nomination by Feb. 5th.



http://youtube.com/watch?v=8wX99qUo3Ow


http://youtube.com/watch?v=ULxxBz-PAjg&feature=related

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And here's Hillary Clinton talking about the Democratic Nomination being a race to 2025 delegates.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=0OsYnegoV28
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And here she is only a week ago going AGAINST what she said on both counts!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xuLTRliZNBE

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I've never seen anything like this!

I'm just your average Joe (dare I say working class white?) and I can do this with just a 5 minute "google search."

Where's the mainstream media?

How does she get away with it?

[Johnny__Motown]

27. K&R

[merkins]

29. K&R

[anamnua]

38. She puts her country first and expects others to so.

This puts her offside with the DNc elite