Where was 35yrs of leadership experience Senator Elect Hillary during the Election 2000 Recount?

[stevenleser]

http://www.politicalbase.com/profile/Mark%20Nickolas/blog/&blogId=2281

Now that Hillary Clinton (D) is shamelessly evoking the 2000 Florida Recount in her desperate effort to lay claim to the Florida delegation -- and the fact that Kevin Spacey's film on the recount called 'Recount' is being shown on HBO this Sunday night -- it seems like a good time to share a story with you.

At 6am on Wednesday, November 8, 2000, I was among about 50 Gore staffers who boarded a charter plane (the one Lieberman used during the campaign) at the Nashville airport. Our destination was Florida. I was the co-leader of the team assigned to southwestern Florida's 10 counties and was based Ft. Myers for a couple of weeks until I was shifted to Miami-Dade for the physical recount that took place there (and then back to Ft. Myers for their recount, until the US Supreme Court shut it all down).

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One person who did not have Florida on her itinerary was Hillary Clinton. She never managed to break away from her final foreign trips with President Clinton or her holiday parties or down time at Camp David to add to the massive show of support and assistance to help undo what was being done to us by Katherine Harris and the Bush team in Florida. Not one day.

[Saturday]

1. So now the 2000 loss is Hillary's fault? LOL nt

[CPschem]

3. not what the OP said

try reading it again. it reveals what many of us already know about Hillary's character and priorities.

[Saturday]

7. That's exactly what the OP is saying. nt

[peoli]

15. wow. maybe try reading it a third or fourth time.

[nichomachus]

25. Or maybe have a adult read it to him/her.-

[iamthebandfanman]

41. lol it is pretty clear

the ops just saying why didnt she help with the 2000 ordeal if she cares so much about every vote counting. her and bill did nothing back then to even remotely speak out for gore or the recount.

im not the brightest tool in the shed, but even i know that

[PoliticalAmazon]

69. Face it. Anybody who is still a Hillary supporter, after her assassination strategy...

can no longer discern fact from fiction, lies from truth.

Hillary's assassination strategy was a turning point from me.

At this point I think we need to all turn and face Hillary and her supporters, and slowly back out of the room, slamming and locking the door after us.

This is some sick shit they are involved in now, and--with Hillary's assassination threat to Obama--they could be dangerous.

[MonkeyFunk]

76. No

anybody who pretends what she said was an "assassination strategy" is incapable of stating the truth.

[ClassWarrior]

46. No, the OP is saying she appears to be an opportunistic hypocrite.

NGU.

[natrat]

50. no the op simply stated the facts-she was not there, not that it was her fault

nothing like misreading, then misrepresenting and then laughing about something that's kind of important-but what are facts anyway

[Yes We Did]

62. project much? Do YOU feel guilty about something?

OP did not blame FL on Hillary; merely brought up the fact that she and all her experience didn't seem to give a shit about the country when it didn't benefit her.

And after the primary's are over, she can simply go back to naming libraries and streets and whatever else she wants to rename.

[SwampG8r]

64. i named this condition in march

its called clinton projection syndrome

or CPS

or CPS
it is evidenced by taking facts and reversing them to fit the argument
thereby framing it to your advantage

ie:
obama's supporters keep repeating their new rules for super-delegates = trying to game the rules at every opportunity to defy the democratic process and constantly move the goalposts
obama lies= snipergate
obama is in with the RW = press conference kissy faces with the MSM and Sciafe
obama is bad for the party = endorse the republican over obama
obama is tearing the party apart = tear the party apart with attacks on fellow dems by carville et al.


i think you see the pattern of CPS and probably have examples of CPS in action.
but
it isnt all bad,you can help
a small donation to obama 08 will help to return the center of this horrible dysfunction to chapaqua NY where hopefully it can be quarantined and cured.

[MissWaverly]

2. I wondered why the Clintons were not more pro-active

at the time, and I wondered it many times since, like during Katrina, where were they?
But now, oh, they have no trouble speaking up now. Where have they been?

[MonkeyFunk]

6. Because Bill Clinton

was the President. It would've been improper to involve himself in a partisan battle being fought out in the courts.

[MissWaverly]

21. no, I meant the schmooze factor, no one had more schmooze

than he, if he had called for the DNC to be more pro-active, they would have done it,
the evidence was there and still is. Also I think this is not just a "partisan" issue;
this is about election theft. Much of the abuse, fraud neglect has been explained
away as true blue patriotic vs commie pinko left. This is not a Dem/Republican issue
this is about election theft. It is an established fact that Gore had more votes than
Bush, it's time we reframe the debate outside the GOP parameters of R vs D to Right
versus Wrong.

[blm]

32. An early executive order to count all the votes would've been exactly what a president of courage

would have done before it got out of hand.

Clintons never bothered to ue any of their overly vaunted political acumen to counter any of the RNC tactics either, during that time - did they never really notice how RNC was gaining control of the election process state by state all those years? And they certainly never directed their NEXT chosen DNC chair, Terry McAuliffe, to launch any countermeasures to secure the election process for Dem candidates and voters for 2002 and 2004 races....did they?

[MissWaverly]

44. yes, that would have saved us much suffering

just think what would have happened if someone had actually read the famous August 8th
PDB or called all possible resources to the aid of New Orleans asap instead of waiting for
the managed photo op of the trucks following the prez arrival.

[MonkeyFunk]

78. It would've been an egregious abuse of power

the President has no such power to order a state to do something like that. You're utterly ignorant if you believe otherwise.

[blm]

91. You're utterly whatever if you think a PresBush wouldn't have done it AND claimed

the moral highground while doing so - a feat the overly-hyped and vaunted and worshipped Clinton administration would NEVER attempt even for the RIGHT reasons of justice and integrity. They'll defend immorality and BushInc more than they ever defended doing the RIGHT thing for this nation or for our party.

[truedelphi]

89. Except that if it had been a Republican President

Needing to help oversee the recount for a Republican candidate, you better bet your sweet Bippy that the R President would have made it his business.

[nichomachus]

54. Because that would have been a victory for the DNC and their loyalty

is to the DLC. They want to discredit the DNC so they and the DLC can run the party.

If you look at any of their actions through that lens -- everything begins to make sense.

[MissWaverly]

58. well, I think that now Americans realize that

I do not trust them anymore, too many lies and too many "oops" moments, I don't want to
define the meaning of "is" I want someone who has no trouble defining right versus wrong
regardless of the polls.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

4. what is it with the FACT THINGIES again? Hasn't Hill's team told you

that they don't do FACTS?

[stevenleser]

56. You are right. That is the one thing around which I cant seem to bend my mind.

People who eschew facts and logic always mystify me.

[rug]

5. Did Obama make a speech about in in 2000?

[stevenleser]

10. Obama was like you and I in 2000, just another nameless faceless person without clout. Hillary was

the one with the name and position to do something about it. A leader of the capabilities that Hillbots attribute to her would have been able to parlay that into a real role during the recount, assuming she has those leadership qualities and she gave a damn.

[rug]

13. He had the same clout in 2000 that he did in 2002 when he gave another speech.

[stevenleser]

18. You just showed the flaw in your own argument...

how many of us, even those of us active in the anti-war movement even heard of the speech until much later.

That is what I thought. Nice try at spin (I'm being generous) but Hillary cannot escape this example of her refusal to lead.

[rug]

22. Neither can Obama.

(I'm being generous.)

[stevenleser]

59. You arent being generous, you are intentionally acting obtuse.

and I am being generous, because the alternative means that you don't understand the difference between the relative power of a state legislator and that of a senator elect on the heels of 8 years as first spouse.

[SwampG8r]

66. do the hillary enablers get paid

by the word or the post?

[rug]

81. You've been here two months. You tell me.

[SwampG8r]

86. i couldnt tell you about hillary enablers and what they get paid

i know she does pay them and i wondered if its by word or by post
i may have only been here a short while but i have enough sense to know hillary is over
now and forevermore
it doesnt take years of posting her to know shes toast and she is kneecapping the nominee
i was just wondering what the rate for that is

[nichomachus]

27. But he's not the one citing the 2000 election as part of his experience

[rug]

52. He's the one claiming his 2002 speech to be the evidence of his judgment,

the cornerstone of his campaign. As your buddy said "how many of us, even those of us active in the anti-war movement even heard of the speech".

The speech had zero impact and denonstrated no leadeship. And it's more egregious in light of the fact he both voted to continue funding the war and failed to repeat the speech at any time on the Senate floor when he indisputably had influence. He failed to exercise or demonstrate leadership when it counted.

[stevenleser]

73. Your points do not follow.

If someone is not in a position of power and they make a speech, whether or not that speech is the equivalent of I have a dream or not, it is likely that it will have zero effect.

But tell me, you know all of this already, dont you? I mean, I would rather think of you as a clever liar than someone who so thoroughly doesnt get it.

[rug]

82. If you credit him for taking the lead on getting out of Iraq, take the corollary.

It would have been nothing for him to speak out against a stolen election. The fact he was speaking as a state senator from Chicago would give him more than usual expertise.

BTW, I think the same of you, without the cleverness.

[stevenleser]

95. He didnt take the lead on getting out of Iraq because we havent gotten out of Iraq yet and he isnt

President yet. You know we're still in Iraq yet, right? You know what year it is and where you live, right?

[Johnny__Motown]

8. Has someone been watching HBO?

[Yavin4]

9. Where Was Hillary In 2001 When The Congressional Black Caucus Needed A Senator

to over turn the Florida electors? Yes, Bush would have still won because of the make up of the congress, but at least it would have been an honest outcome unlike letting the SCOTUS pick the president.

[joeybee12]

19. In 1998, not one person campaigned harder or raised more money

for Carol Mosley Braun than Hilary...you ass.

[Yavin4]

30. What's That Got To Do With 2001?

Besides Carol Mosley Braun was corrupt as hell.

[joeybee12]

35. Because your stupid post implies that Hilary and Bill were not friends

of the African American community...admit it, because I'm sick of this shit. You need to see who the real enemy is because you're making enemies out of friends.

[Yavin4]

40. I Never Implied That. I was Citing Historical Facts

The Congressional Black Caucus staged a protest and needed a senator to sign onto their petition, and Hillary sat on her hands.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

70. All they have is red herrings. nt

[iamthebandfanman]

42. r u really using 'hillary helped a black person'

as a come back to that question?
wow.

[Straight Shooter]

20. Where was Russ Feingold, the hero of the left?

How about Ted Kennedy? Where was Kerry? Leahy? Why do you expect so much from Hillary that none of the other Senators were willing to do?

It seems to me I read somewhere that Gore requested that no one prolong what he foresaw as the inevitable. That's why no one spoke up. Even Gore apparently did not recognize the catastrophe that awaited America (and the world) with bush installed in the White House.

[stevenleser]

23. I expect so much because you and she are claiming she has this amazing experience and leadership

ability and because she was in the position (first lady and senator elect) to do something about what was happening.

She didnt even try. She is like Condoleezza Rice. Their supporters claim they are so wonderful and amazing and when you analyze their performance you see nothing but failures to lead and just plain failures.

[Straight Shooter]

28. You are stuck in a thought rut and there is no dissuading you with facts or logic.

Good luck with that.

[stevenleser]

36. I think it is clear that you are wrong and the facts do not support you.

I'm not the one that needs the good luck in this debate.

[Straight Shooter]

43. As I said ... you're stuck. n/t

[stevenleser]

51. Yes, with someone like you who disregards facts.

[Yavin4]

26. Kennedy, Leahy, Kerry, et al. Are NOT Running for President

claiming that they will fight for voters rights like Hillary is today.

[stevenleser]

34. Very astute point.

AND those people, Kennedy, Leahy and Kerry have real accomplishments on difficult issues to which to point. They arent hurling '35 years of experience' out there with NOTHING to back it up.

[Straight Shooter]

38. Speaking of Kerry ....

He did run for president. He lost because of a manipulated election. He did not fight, because he didn't want to look like a fool, like a "Sore Loserman."

2000 was Gore's battle to fight for votes, and it was a battle to be fought by the disenfranchised voters of Florida. All those voters purged from the rolls, what happened? Not much. Maybe this is an open wound in Florida. Maybe they're tired of being so easily dismissed.

[SwampG8r]

67. you dont know shit about florida

and the one thing pissing off more floridians than anything else is election whores constantly using us to gain for themselves
she needs to thank god we didnt get to revote here
she would not have won again after the way she has used us to get what she wants

[SwampG8r]

68. you dont know shit about florida

and the one thing pissing off more floridians than anything else is election whores constantly using us to gain for themselves
she needs to thank god we didnt get to revote here
she would not have won again after the way she has used us to get what she wants

[blm]

94. Maybe the DNC headed by Clinton loyalists should've SECURED the election process as a priority issue

after 2000s blatant theft, eh?

But, it WASN'T a priority for Terry McAuliffe or the Clinton loyalist packed DNC for 2002 or 2004 elections, was it? Strange, eh?

[ClassWarrior]

55. None of them are justifying a losing campaign based on imaginary disenfranchisement.

:shrug:

You asked.

NGU.

[madrchsod]

84. "the hero of the left" ?

i thought democratic party was left of center but according to you the party is`t. thank you for clearing this up.

[ClassWarrior]

57. Where was Hilly in 2005 when Barbara Boxer was the lone Senator standing up with the CBC?

Now that's presidential material.

President Boxer. Let's KO the Rape-Publicans!

NGU.

[Catherina]

65. That was exactly my thought as I watched it last night

Where were you Hillary?

[book_worm]

11. The fact is that neither President or Mrs. Clinton gave much moral support to counting votes in 2000

they tried to stay above it all and not be involved.

[Straight Shooter]

12. Where was "Mr. Constitutional Lawyer" Obama when Ohio was stolen in 2004?

Jesse Jackson was there, defending those whose votes were manipulated, whose votes were denied. Where was the man who is touted as being trustworthy because he knows all about the Constitution and what it stands for?

Not one peep from Barack Obama. Didn't dare rock the boat, lest he be seen as an activist.

[stevenleser]

16. See my #10

[Straight Shooter]

24. You are incorrect.

Obama gave the keynote address at the 2004 Democratic Convention. He was considered a rising star in the Democratic Party. Kerry chose him to deliver the address. There is no doubt that Obama already wielded significant clout by that time. After he delivered the address, his word was golden to Democrats.

As I said, the man did not want to rock the boat, be an activist. He just wants to be a boilerplate politician.

[stevenleser]

29. Yes, in 2004 he was a rising star, in 2000 he had as much clout as you or I do now.

I was going to say Nice try, but it isnt even that.

[Straight Shooter]

49. You're complaining about Hillary not using her "clout" but you give Obama a pass.

I believe that's what is called a double standard.

[stevenleser]

53. A FAIR double standard. One for someone who had the position to do something and one who didnt

If Obama and Clinton had both been First Lady for eight years and just became senators elect, then your cries of an UNFAIR double standard might mean something.

[Yavin4]

37. You're Best Argument Is To Compare The First Lady and New Senator from NY

to a relatively unknown figure in 2000? Wow. Hillary could have overturned the Florida electors by agreeing with the Congressional Black Caucus.

[stevenleser]

47. Their position doesn't offer much more. A bright person would STFU but that isnt them.

The facts are so against the Hillbots in this instance that anything they come up with is going to sound ridiculous. Of course, that has never stopped them before, but...

[mod mom]

39. You will recall Obama was just elected where Hillary and her husband Bill were party leaders.

[SoFlaJet]

14. yea I know as a PB County DISENFRANCHISED democrat

I sat here waiting for them to show, and then again I waited in 2004 in Ohio-they never fucking helped either time and I wondered why until I figured out just this year that they were playing for 2008 all along...best laid plans and karma being a bitch and all...

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[dcindian]

31. It was looking out for 2008

Hillary has always had the conquest of democracy in mind.

[MagickMuffin]

33. "Well, you know, Al Gore didn't let Bill campaign for him, so Al was on his own."

Hillary is NOT a leader, unless she benefits from that leadership. I've been asking where was she in 2000 when our Democracy was being threatened.

Where was Billbo when the Black community was being disenfranchised?.?.?

Where was his Justice Department?.?.?

I watched some of the hearings the Civil Rights Dept. held and knew that nothing would be done about the disenfranchisement of thousands of votes.

Billbo still had time to do something. What did he do?.?.?

[iamthebandfanman]

48. he was off making money

selling books and speaches.

i honestly think its no secret that the gores and the clintons werent the best of friends... ever... so...
so 'asking' has nothing to do with it....
they should have been 100% behind the party and 100% behind making sure everyones vote counted.

[speedoo]

45. Hillary had little interest in putting Gore in the WH.

She was busy getting herself elected to the Senate, frequently stepping on the toes of Gore's election campaign. Her own Presidential ambitions were well in place, and she was not then, or has she ever been, Al Gore's ally.

This is why her current campaign re. Florida "remember 2000" is utter hypocrisy.

[KSinTX]

60. PuhLeez. nt

[stevenleser]

61. I know. Hillary's position is untenable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag96O9_6eXU&feature=related

[KSinTX]

63. Don't get me wrong. However I feel about the OP

my current meme is: Have you heard about this guy John McCain?

It's that time. Let the Clintons go. They are now New York's headache. Better them than Texas. (You're not a New Yorker by chance? Apologies and condolensces up front if you are.)

[SwampG8r]

72. we cant let her go

she wont stop trying to bring the nominee down
im in agreeance with you as to it being GE time
and she is totally irrelevant for eternity
but she continues to steal the time we have left
her refusal of reality is keeping our nominee from focusing on the GE
and these sick, excuse anything, hire-a-trolls she sends out to spread her manure quote her talking points like parrots
i wish we could get behind stopping mccain but the hillary camp refuses

[KSinTX]

74. Who really listens to parrots?

They're funny for a while but when they get annoying, you just have to put the cover on.

[stevenleser]

75. McCaw? (n/t)

[KSinTX]

83. You too owe me a keyboard

Dammit, you're the second one today! :spray:

[SwampG8r]

80. if it were just the enablers it would be one thing

but because shes"still in the race" she gets MSM coverage
and she is using it to hurt the nominee

[Oak2004]

92. I have a parrot and I love to listen to him

Parrots use words in appropriate context and with meaning, you know. For us parrot people (if we have a talking bird), every day is a "Dr. Doolittle" day.

OTOH, Sen. Clinton does not use words in appropriate context with meaning.

Sen McCain does use words with meaning, but the meaning is always "bomb Iran".

[JerseygirlCT]

71. Interesting...

I never got the feeling that there was much love lost in the end between the Gores and the Clintons.

What was your impression, up close and personal, of Lieberman through this. The movie last night only heightened my suspicions that his support was rather lackluster, too.

[VotesForWomen]

77. well, considering gore completely dissed the clintons in his campaign, he probably didn't want them

around.

[Hippo_Tron]

79. What exactly could Hillary and Bill have done?

I think the movie made it pretty clear that Gore fought until he couldn't win anymore and that the Supreme Court just handed the election to Bush. Bill and Hillary couldn't really have done anything about that.

[Writer]

90. That is precisely the question. What was she supposed to have done?

This was a legal matter fought in the courts. Perhaps Gore should have dropped his counsel for Hillary Clinton and quickly had her pass the Florida BAR so she could represent them in court?

Ridiculous.

[stevenleser]

97. If Hillary wasnt an ineffective leader, you wouldnt have to be making excuses for her

A real leader would have gotten involved and done something. Particularly one so interested in fighting disenfranchisement as she is claiming now.

[madrchsod]

85. gore distanced himself from clinton as much as he could.

because he did`t like clinton

[Scout]

93. my thought exactly

i don't think Al would have wanted Hillary's help or Bill's...

some people on here are so stupid :eyes:

[stevenleser]

96. Who cares? You didnt have to be a Gore supporter to want to get involved in the Recount

The Recount wasnt about Gore. It was about the people who were disenfranchised. Remember those people? The same folks Hillary is claiming are so important now?

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[SoCalDem]

88. Well, to be fair, it was only 27.5 years back then

and she was too busy enjoying the confetti from the senate election that Bill bought her..