Mrs. Clinton's bitter supporters

[woolldog]

Hey, don't blame me for the title. :shrug:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2008/05/those_bitter_clinton_supporter.cfm
THE ECONOMIST

Mrs. Clinton's bitter supporters

May 24, 2008

ANYONE who has watched CNN's campaign coverage has encountered Lanny Davis, a former special counsel to Bill Clinton. Lately Mr Davis has tiptoed towards the edge of the deep end, but I think we finally have proof that he's gone off. The die-hard Hillary supporter has compiled a list of "Four Things Obama Campaign Couldn't Resist Doing To Anger Clinton Supporters He Needs In General Election If -- If -- He Is Nominee". Read it, you'll laugh. (I found number three especially ironic.)

Mr Davis's childish list is just the latest indication of an attitude that has poisoned the Clinton campaign from the very beginning. Mrs Clinton and her supporters saw the primary process as a coronation, not a competition, and the fact that Mr Obama ran a better campaign and emerged victorious simply isn't fair. This is theft on a grand scale, never mind that Mrs Clinton never owned the stolen property or that Mr Obama did nothing illegal to obtain it. Reason is no match for the bitterness felt by many of Mrs Clinton's supporters.

At least she is owed the vice-presidency, they are now shouting. Alas, no. But if and when Mr Obama officially spurns these entreaties by announcing a different running mate, the resentment will only increase. Another case of larceny in their eyes.

Is five months (perhaps less) enough time for Mrs Clinton's supporters to clear their heads? Only with Mrs Clinton's help. When the time is right, after Mr Obama has reached the magic number of delegates, she (and Bill) must recognise her opponent's win as fair and legitimate, and quash the inevitable cries of "if only the press wasn't biased", "if only America wasn't a sexist nation", "if only for a better deal on Florida and Michigan". Otherwise, all of the acrimony of her supporters will be aimed at Mr Obama, who, they'll say, was abetted in a crime by these outside factors. Will Mrs Clinton take the fall for her own defeat, or poison the party by placing responsibility elsewhere and thereby painting her loss as a theft?

[slinkerwink]

1. great post

[virtualobserver]

10. it is....it highlights the most infuriating aspect of the Clinton campaign....

this "we wuz robbed" story line is specifically why many in the party felt that it was destructive for her to continue.

The reality is that it is destructive if she loses or if she wins (even though she obviously won't win) .

[joeybee12]

2. Can't blame you for the title, but will blame you for posting

such trash.

[woolldog]

5. The Economist

is a very respected magazine.

[joeybee12]

6. So is the National Republic.

This is just an opinion piece...and an opinion I think is trash.

[woolldog]

9. Nah,

it is nothing like the National Review. It's not a "right wing" mag. And they are very fair in their criticism of all the candidates.

[depakid]

16. It's a centrist neoliberal publication out of the UK

and generally, a reasonable and credible source for international news (provided that one understands its pro-globalization bent).

[hokies4ever]

25. joeybee is just mad because the truth hurts sometimes :-)

:rofl:

[roguevalley]

19. and you have one opinion on it and the rest of us do too. who cares?

[CoffeeCat]

41. Well maybe you need to open your eyes...

...because the majority of Americans--Dems, Republicans and Independents
can see very clearly that Hillary Clinton is embarrassing herself on the
national stage and behaving like a complete fool.

If you can't see it, then there's something completely wrong with you.

At this point, defending Hillary Clintons bizarre actions, is preposterous.

[roguevalley]

17. bitter much?

[TBF]

43. That's just crazy. The Economist is a very respected publication

that is published in the UK. It's similar to our own Business Week. Clinton has become a laughing-stock globally. It's just sad.

[KittyWampus]

3. Sadly, Krugman falls into the lot of bitter Clinton supporters. Very sad.

[Brundle_Fly]

14. I think Krugman

had a few promises of working on the Fed. Thats the only explanation for his bizarre actions of late.

[Carolina]

4. K&R K&R K&R K&R K&R K&R K&R

Clintons never take responsibility and as an ardent supporter in the 90s, I never thought I'd say that. However, through this campaign, they and their surrogates -- whom I also once cheered --
have revealed their depraved, win by any means, souls

[Evergreen Emerald]

7. I thought "bitter" was a good thing? Lol

You guys and your hypocritical posts crack me up! I just have to shake my head and laugh at the irony...and how many recs does this receive?

lol...

[whatchamacallit]

15. Rec!

:thumbsup: I'm recommending the OP just for you.

[woolldog]

27. thank you!

[D23MIURG23]

42. I would say neutral and context dependant.

maybe that's just me.

[jgraz]

45. Shhhh.... you're ruining a good troll with facts and rationality

[NC_Nurse]

8. You know, if you can't take the heat, Mr. Davis.....

:nopity:

[RazBerryBeret]

11. #4 made ME laugh:

“4. Couldn't resist listing Bill Richardson as under consideration for veep -- the one Red Flag name that infuriates even moderate Clinton supporters the most -- not because he chose to endorse Sen. Obama, but the way he did it, i.e., his inability to avoid negative comments on Sen. Clinton while doing so -- another person who sometimes can't resist the temptation of not being gracious when he should be, a great disappointment to many of his former close friends from the Clinton camp and which will not be forgotten.”


So what is one supposed to do when you're called "Judas"? seriously?

and this line:
a great disappointment to many of his former close friends from the Clinton camp and which will not be forgotten

WHICH WILL NOT BE FORGOTTEN? wow, sounds like a threat to me.
all the righteous indignation just kills me!

[roguevalley]

20. he sounds like a 'mean girl' taking notes on his enemies. seriously,

this isn't junior high, LANNY. Grow up!

[grantcart]

12. Davis has given gadflys a bad name - who thought that was possible?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lanny-davis/clintonmccain-vs-obama_b_81418.html

[unblock]

13. so on the one hand, obama prematurely presumed victory (#3), ...

and on the other hand, he should have presumed victory and graciously allowed clinton and her supporters their moment in the sun (#1)?

so which is it? should he have presumed the fight is still on and fought hard? or should have have presumed victory and moved on to the next phase?

[Gore1FL]

18. Lets hope they choose to cling to religion instead of guns.

What? Too soon?

[neverforget]

28. Too funny!

:rofl:

[Spazito]

21. If I could stand to watch Mr. Davis anymore (I cannot) I would expect

the spittle to be flying and the tears to be flowing. His 4 points are beyond the pale. When someone is reduced to listing:

"“Four Things Obama Campaign Couldn't Resist Doing To Anger Clinton Supporters He Needs In General Election If -- If -- He Is Nominee”

and those 4 things are:

“1.Couldn't resist waiting one day after Sen. Clinton won West Virginia by 41 points to announce John Edwards’ endorsement.

“2. Couldn't resist waiting to clinch majority of all delegates (not just pledged) to do victory lap speech in Iowa the night Hillary won Kentucky by 36 points.

“3. Couldn't resist waiting to clinch majority to announce Jim Johnson as VP search committee head -- the first candidate in my memory ever to do so while his chief opponent still fighting for nomination -- and winning in last primary in crucial border state by 36 points (Kentucky). What's the rush? The Senator wouldn't confirm or deny the leak. That makes many Clinton supporters feel uneasy about the Senator.

“4. Couldn't resist listing Bill Richardson as under consideration for veep -- the one Red Flag name that infuriates even moderate Clinton supporters the most -- not because he chose to endorse Sen. Obama, but the way he did it, i.e., his inability to avoid negative comments on Sen. Clinton while doing so -- another person who sometimes can't resist the temptation of not being gracious when he should be, a great disappointment to many of his former close friends from the Clinton camp and which will not be forgotten.”

Well, pathetic doesn't come near to describing it, imo

Gotta love the implied threat in #4, such class.

[cstanleytech]

23. #4 is not so much of a threat as

it is a fact, they wont forget it nor would anyone else in a similar situtation and to think otherwise is foolish.
Richardson meanwhile has every right to give his support to other people regardless of anything that the Clintons might have done for him over the years.

[Spazito]

24. It is, imo, a threat, an empty one albeit, but a threat non-the-less...

I will even go so far as to say an infantile 'tantrummy' threat immature children make when they are frustrated.

Governor Richardson is was an impressive person in his own right before the Clintons deigned to recognize him. If anything, Bill Clinton simply recognized the inherent talents Bill Richardson could bring to his administration and wisely made use of them.

[SoCalDem]

32. Wow.. Lanny is a sexist.. Whodathunkit..

he expected the man to "hold the door for" the "ittle lady", so she could revel in her "moment"..Lanny lanny lanny. fo fanny..lannn-y:)

[phrigndumass]

22. My money is on "poison the party by placing responsibility elsewhere"

That's her modus operandi, and it has been her MO all throughout this primary season. She has given me no reason to believe she will change it. Further, every time I led myself to believe she would put the party before the campaign, she has proven me wrong.

[Raine]

26. Good post..

THANKS! :thumbsup:

[neverforget]

29. Lanny needs the Wahmbulance

[bvar22]

30. K&R

"Will Mrs Clinton take the fall for her own defeat, or poison the party by placing responsibility elsewhere...?"

My bet is on "poision the party", and like everything else she has tried, it will FAIL.

Has Hillary ever taken responsibility?
Bill was out there today blaming Hillary's miserable performance on some weird conspiracy involving millions of people.

[TexasObserver]

31. Hillary's support is maxed out NOW. She cannot help the ticket.

Hillary's support comes from (1) white women over 60, who see in her a chance for a female president, and (2) whites and Hispanics who don't like the idea of voting for a black man. She also gets a lot of votes from people who never vote for the Democratic nominee for president.

Fortunately, Obama appeals to Indies and more enlightened voters who have voted Republican before. There are many voters who voted twice for Bush, and probably regret it. Both times, they voted against a Democrat who seemed a little on the uncool side, kind of nerdy, if you will. Obama has a level of coolness that makes him acceptable as a leader to a whole new market of voters who rejected Gore and Kerry.

Most of the Hillary voters who have actually voted Democratic in the fall presidential elections will vote for Obama. Yes, some 15-30% of her voters will vote for McCain, but almost all of them would have done so even if Hillary got the nomination and was running against him.

[WinkyDink]

33. " " are your friends.

[meow mix]

34. K&R spot on

[L0oniX]

35. K & R

[styersc]

36. When you say "Mrs. Clinton" are you referring to Senator Clinton?

No sexists in the Obama camp, huh?

[psychopomp]

37. OP did not write the article--It's from The Economist

Funny how, in your scrutiny, you failed to realize that.

[RainDog]

38. The British mag also refers to Obama as "Mr" not "Senator"

but that doesn't let someone claim sexism where it is obvious to the rest of the world that this was not the case or intent. Hey, they even had Thatcher! Mrs. Thatcher!

And philipsanchez (sockpuppet or troll?) had the audacity to write a post about the non-existent claims of sexism from Clinton - when it's a big article with Clinton quotes about sexism!

denial is sad to see.

[woolldog]

39. Yes. That is correct.

They refer to Obama as Mr. Obama in their articles.

[woolldog]

40. Shhhhhh.

Let her think I wrote it! I'm flattered actually. ;-)

[The Doctor.]

44. So when they refer to Obama as "Mr. Obama", are they being 'sexist' or 'racist'?

You people need help.

[jgraz]

46. Lanny isn't just whining. He's doing his best to poison the well for Clinton supporters

Is there any doubt that they're playing for 2012?

[woolldog]

49. they're so tone-deaf politically,

they don't realize she has no chance in 2012 regardless of how 2008 goes. She's burned too many bridges and if Obama loses she will be blamed for it.

[TexasObserver]

47. Bush is the best comparison for Hillary. Very much like him.

She's a person of ordinary intelligence and skills but possesses an insane ambition driven by narcissism and psychosis.

[uponit7771]

48. HRC and her supporters are moving dangerously close to the wackadoodle category