**HILLARY's DIVISIVE TACTCS HURTING HER STANDING IN NY**

[PoliticalAmazon]

The racial divisiveness of Hillary Clinton's campaign tactics, as predicted, are causing her problems in New York, where many feel "...there was a lot of insult, slight and disrespect toward an African American candidate, and it translated as a slight to the African American community."

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-clintonblacks25-2008may25,0,4753203.story

From the Los Angeles Times

Trouble brewing in N.Y. for Clinton
Black leaders say that if Hillary Rodham Clinton returns as senator, she'll need to heal racial wounds her campaign has inflicted.

By Peter Nicholas
Los Angeles Times Staff Writer

May 25, 2008

Even as she continues her longshot presidential bid, Hillary Rodham Clinton faces a political rift in New York, where black leaders say her standing has dropped due to racially charged comments by her and her husband during the campaign. African American elected officials and clerics based in New York City say Clinton will need to defuse resentment over the campaign's racial overtones if she returns to New York as U.S. senator.

State Sen. Bill Perkins, who represents Harlem, said constituents recently phoned him because they wanted to demonstrate outside Bill Clinton's Harlem office against comments by the former president.Michael Benjamin, a state assemblyman who represents parts of the Bronx, said his wife removed a photograph of Bill Clinton from her office wall -- an expression of the misgivings that some black New Yorkers feel....

"The Clintons have their die-hard fans who would never abandon them," said Eric Adams, a state senator who represents Brooklyn. "But there are those New Yorkers who feel there was a lot of insult, slight and disrespect toward an African American candidate, and it translated as a slight to the African American community."...

...Rangel told reporters this month that her claim she has the support of white voters was "the dumbest thing she could ever have said." Clinton later agreed with that. Paterson recently told a radio show he saw "desperation" in Clinton's effort to count in her favor disputed delegates from Michigan and Florida. Clinton's dwindling chance of winning the nomination includes snagging as many Florida and Michigan delegates as possible...

[LSparkle]

For a long time I've thought her campaign hasn't been considering her future

She's been doing and saying things that will certainly
cause her problems in her future political life -- if
she wants to have one.

[PoliticalAmazon]

4. Her political life, Bill's legacy, and Chelsea's future--

may very well all be destroyed by Hillary's actions during this primary.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

57. You're so right, she has become a joke. ...n/t

[Exilednight]

90. I honestly see Chelse becoming more of a JFK Jr type. Staying out of politics, she already ........

shuns the press, and she looks nervous any time she has to get up in front of an audience and speak. She's also bad at giving unscripted answers.

[amelia]

103. Only in your dreams, get real.

[cbc5g]

1. I hope another Dem takes her seat and she resigns from politics for good. n/t

[PoliticalAmazon]

2. I hope that she so demonizes herself that she will be a political leper forever. n/t

[jpertello]

15. done and done.

[quantass]

39. .

[papau]

12. Hillary got racist treatmen FROM blacks - so NY AA's say she must heal wounds?

[roguevalley]

14. how pathetic your post. she has earned their enmity and your post

earns you an ignore. get help.

[PoliticalAmazon]

42. Did Hillary's female voters give sexist treatment to Obama?...

NO. That claim, and the claim about Hillary getting racist treatment from blacks, is absurd.

I've never heard of a candidate in a primary insulting voters who didn't vote for them, full well knowing they will need the voters the following November. Yet that is what Hillary and Bill did--repeatedly.

They are going to reap what they have planted, and it will be a bitter harvest when Hillary finds out that she has made herself a political leper.

[amelia]

99. That is not true, your BO played the race card in this primary and he will suffer for it, in Nov.

[eridani]

68. So how come AA voters favored her by 30 points a year ago? n/t

[amelia]

100. Because they weren't listening to lies from BO and his friends at MSM

[eridani]

111. Or because her campaign insulted them by Bill's statement about South Carolina?

Or because her base is "hardworking people, white people"?

[Colobo]

70. paupau, you are so wrong... so misled...

[greguganus]

83. So that's who ignored is. n/t

[Doityourself]

71. Bullshit. She and Bill showed their collectives asses & now the chickens will come home to roost

Good!

[Kittycat]

85. Link?

[Forkboy]

97. Papau is a coward and 99% of the time just posts and runs.

[amelia]

102. Why would papau answer an insulting post such as yours Forkboy?

[Forkboy]

107. I didn't ask the question.

And if you pay attention to papau's posts you'll see that he's the last one who could complain about insulting.

[SwampG8r]

109. this is the only link they can find

[ccharles000]

3. I don't think Hillary has used any divisive tactics.

[PoliticalAmazon]

7. I believe you are in the minority. n/t

[cstanleytech]

30. Well I believe its mainly the supporters of *both*

Hillary and Obama who have been doing it especially on this forum, I just hope the people doing it do not weaken whoever wins to run against McCain.

[PoliticalAmazon]

43. No, Hillary has used divisive tactics. You cannot try to shift the blame to anyone else...

she insulted voters who didn't vote for her, she insulted blacks, she insulted entire STATES whose Democratic voters didn't vote in the majority for her.

I hope she enjoys the alienation of NY voters. She earned it.

[cstanleytech]

52. Oh I am not shifting it, I am laying the blame primarly where it belongs

which is at your feet and others like you who keep trying to stir the pot at it were in an effort to win at any costs, problem is this is not the general election though so unless you and others are not careful a *win* for your candidate could well end up as a loss for the entire party.

[PoliticalAmazon]

59. Hillary is the one using assassination as a campaign strategy. If you...

don't like criticism of it, then you should go to the source: Hillary Clinton.

For you to blame others criticizing something heinous she has done is like Bush Jr blaming Iraq War critics for criticizing the debacle in Iraq.

Nice company you're keeping there, Punkin'.

[cstanleytech]

69. You dont get it, allow me to explain.

Its not just about Hillary nor just about Obama but about you and others like you, you are the ones I blame when you all try to distort and twist something either that Hillary or Obama says in order to try to get "one up" over whatever candidate you oppose, you are the ones empowering this.
Clinton and Obama could go back and forth all day attacking each other and it would mean squat if people ignored it for what it was which is a bunch of static and instead focus on what they stand for, how they have voted for the last 4 years and so forth as those are the important things and not a stupid thing like a gaff when speaking.
Like I said though, keep this up and it might not matter who "wins" the primary because it might end up costing the general election, I am sure McCain would be thankful to you.

[Vattel]

92. wow, a sane post

They're a dying breed (not to be interpreted as a call for assassination).

[Garbo 2004]

10. Praising the Repub presumptive nominee over the other Dem candidate is not usually seen as unifying

for the Dem party. And not just praising McCain, but denigrating and being dismissive of Obama at the same time.

[me b zola]

20. I am hopeful that you and others who believe what you have stated

will, after the dust settles, be able to see just how dirty, nasty, and divisive the Clinton campaign was.

[Lerkfish]

21. and I think Charles Manson was a very misunderstood humanitarian

:sarcasm:

[gmudem]

37. To believe that you'd have to ignore her entire campaign

Her campaign has been a classic Republican Rovian campaign. It's disgusting and it needs to end.

[11 Bravo]

5. Your thread title needs more caps.

Just so we can be sure that it's really, truly, 100% factual.

[PoliticalAmazon]

9. I only post about 3 threads a week--want to get the most of it :-)

[dana_b]

6. from a woman who "can't" apologise...

this could be big trouble for her.

[Swamp Rat]

8. RFKjr would make a great senator.

:)

[disndat]

80. RFK, jr would be a logical

choice, if H.C. chooses not to run for reelection. RFK, jr. is H.C.s supporter for POTUS, so he cannot challenge her reelection. That also goes for Andrew Cuomo who was in B.C.'s cabinet.

[MojoMojoMojo]

11. Obamas campaign is making up and promoting the whole story.Only an idiot would think Hillary

was referring to Obamas assassination.
But there are a lot of idiots.
Obama is the divisive one.
Obamas race baiting of the Clintons was the start of his divisiveness.

[Carolina]

13. yeah, yeah, yeah... go sip some more Kool-Aid

You really need it :sarcasm:

And while you're at it do some readng on PROJECTION!

[Bette Noir]

79. That's assuming (he/she) can read.

[jpertello]

16. Obama's people played it down. Where do you get the idea they did otherwise?

[PoliticalAmazon]

49. EXACTLY. As usual, he shows who is the adult and the leader...

Although I disagree with his handling of this issue. He should know that with filth like the Clintons, strong boundaries must be drawn and reinforced.

[Garbo 2004]

17. That was Hillary's campaign contributor Rupert Murdoch's NY Post & Drudge, an outlet for Hillary's

campaign leaks, that flogged the story to the rest of the media. That's what happens when a Dem tries to make cozy with the right wingers: they can't be trusted as Hillary should well have known from experience.

[roguevalley]

18. you are delusional. since the majority of this country disagrees with

you, there is hope for us all. go away. hillaryis44.com is the place for you. by the by, another ignore.

[Lerkfish]

22. LOL! you guys are really pathetic at this point.

delusional doesn't even begin to describe it. You've delusional, put in a hyperbaric chamber, recombined it with self-victimization and shove it out of your own posterior orifice.

IMHO, of course. I can't prove what comes out of your posterior orifice.

[Crunchy Frog]

27. Yes, Obama forced her to bring up the subject of political assassination.

Her supporters are as delusional as she is.

[indimuse]

19. EVERYBODY KKNOWS SHARPTON STARTED THIS!!!

Let it SINK!~

[AllentownJake]

25. Giving it another Kick

Rise Thread Rise

[indimuse]

28. lookity lookity...

my (sorta) freind J...no baby,, I keep telling YOU!



RISE Hillary RISE!
:hi:

[AllentownJake]

32. This is how to make Youtube videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghSJsEVf0pU&feature=related

Hope it doesn't burn your ears.

[indimuse]

38. ..

great production , I agree! I've seen this before. It's great! reminds me of 'We are the World.":)

[EnviroBat]

75. That video chokes me up.

I hate to get emotionally charged from things like that, and I've always resisted allowing myself to feel anything towards, or for a nominee. But I have a difficult time repressing the feelings of hope and inspiration which at times are downright overwhelming when I watch things like that. Thanks for the link...

:hi:

[Lerkfish]

23. kicking just because delusional hillbots want it to sink.

[JVS]

24. way to insult your constituency, Hill!

[PoliticalAmazon]

47. Her "strategy" of insulting the very voters she would need in Nov....

(if she was to win the primary, which she won't) simply makes no sense. I just don't get it.

[grantcart]

26. Without notice and quite remarkably Obama is now polling better than Clinton vs McCain

[mamalone]

36. Ooooh, pretty!

me likey:)

[FrenchieCat]

29. New Yorkers are very insightful........

they have seen what has transpired over the course of the primaries.

[mamalone]

34. Why thank you:)

But truth be told.. it's been pretty hard to ignore:eyes:

[mamalone]

31. She's gonna have trouble up here for sure...

and not just with the AA voters. I am lily-white (or pink as we say in my multi-racial family;)) and I no longer want her representing me. It's pretty much a universal feeling in my neck of the woods.

[AspenRose]

33. Such is the consequence of HRC being short sighted during a campaign

And as we all know, actions have consequences....

[mamalone]

35. Very true...

Interestingly enough, my parents, who are very active in the NY Dem party, saw all of this coming very early on in the campaign. At one point, I think it was just after Bill's comment about Jackson's primary win, my mother said, that she was done with Hillary. She said she's going to keep this going and escalate it... because she thinks once she has won the nom, we all will forget and forgive and pretend we never noticed what she was doing. She said that she wouldn't forget.

This is from a woman who has had a photo of herself and Hillary on her study wall for the last decade.

[PoliticalAmazon]

45. Do you feel this rejection of Hillary is more prominent in rural NY?...

or do you think it's in NYC, too. They mentioned Harlem in the article.

[jpertello]

54. can't speak for everybody

but I think she's lost urban NY. The blacks won't forgive her anytime soon for dissing Obama. Rural NY probably will go for McCain. Some rurals will go for her because they're as prejudiced as KY and WV.

[PoliticalAmazon]

58. Thank you. It helps to hear from people who actually live in NY. n/t

[mamalone]

65. I agree...

Rural NY will probably go for McCain... and if, as you say she has lost urban NY, then she is toast for reelection to her Senate seat.

[mamalone]

64. I agree with jpertello....

Hillary always was a tough sell to rural Ny'ers. In the past, she'd squeak through, but just barely. I don't think she'd even manage that these days... The gun-totin', hard-werkin' folk would definitely go repub. Actually there is a lot of Hillary- hate up here... you see quite a few "anyone but Hillary" type bumperstickers.

I'd say if she has lost the urban vote she is toast.



thanks for asking:)

[Willo]

87. Harlem is in NYC

NYC used to generally means the five boroughs -- Manhattan, the Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island.

Sometimes NYC is just referring to Manhattan. Harlem is the upper part of Manhattan.

They are history in Harlem. But, there is still voter rigging to contend with.

[OzarkDem]

40. That sounds like a threat

How sad Obama supporters feel they can only win by dividing the party and spreading hate.

[thewiseguy]

44. How sad that you are still allowed to continue with your hate and bigotry on this board

[OzarkDem]

48. I feel sorry for you

You think your negative and divisive tactics will benefit you in some way, but they won't.

[Forkboy]

98. And you think your course of action will help YOU, but it won't.

:shrug:

[PoliticalAmazon]

46. Look to Hillary for the hate. She has cultivated it, row by row, field by field. n/t

[OnceUponTimeOnTheNet]

51. I don't agree with you, but I admire your tenacity to fight for your choice.

Emerald something? and methuenprogressive too.

You all do your best, with what you're offered to work with! (small snark!)

[Dinger]

53. Yeah, Whoever Would Challenge Her is A Primary Would Win In The General, Right?

No worries.:sarcasm:

Edited to add:

[PoliticalAmazon]

60. Red herring. Hillary can't win the GE, regardless of who runs against her...

in the primary.

Her unfitness for president of the U.S. is a reality that stands on its own.

[NC_Nurse]

41. She has no one but herself to blame for this mess that SHE created with her

sleazy tactics.

[FrenchieCat]

55. It was hard work, I"m sure .... It ain't easy pissing off millions

in a way that can't be kissed away.

[PoliticalAmazon]

50. I think Michelle has handled it VERY well...

If someone prompted assassination of MY husband, I would beat him/her to the ground and kick him/her to the curb.

I just don't get where Hillary thinks she can get away with such a thing.

[Skidmore]

56. NY deserves a senator who is not in perpetual campaign mode.

[billyoc]

66. I don't know if we deserve one, but we need one!

Personally, I think we New Yorkers should be ostracized for foisting Clinton on the country. :cry:

[PoliticalAmazon]

73. Not your fault. If the Clintons would have shown their true asshat nature...

before she was elected or reelected, I doubt NYers would have voted for Hillary.

She pulled a huge bait-and-switch on NY and, if I was a NY voter, that would really tick me off.

[woolldog]

61. But...But....But Obama played the "race card" first!

:eyes:

[Pisces]

62. Kiss your senate seat goodbye Hillary. Many will actively campaign against you come election time.

[MzShellG]

63. Looks like some NY's are feeling buyer's remorse......

Better late than never.

[PoliticalAmazon]

72. I think it's more "Dr. Hyde" remorse. The Clintons have shown a very ugly side of themselves. n/t

[Bette Noir]

82. Speaking of "buyer's remorse,"

a poll here in California the other day showed Obama beating McCain by 7 points, while HIllary would only beat him by 3. The only reason Hillary won the primary here was that many Californians vote early, by mail. Many votes were cast for Hillary before Obama started campaigning. If the primary were repeated today, Obama would win by a large margin.

[MzShellG]

93. There's no denying that. nt

[greguganus]

106. That's LIAR'S remorse. n/t

[mucifer]

67. BTW Obama is VERY popular in Chicago. I live here. Just saying.

[PoliticalAmazon]

74. I think that says a lot. n/t

[ampad]

76. K/R

One could only hope

[Why Syzygy]

77. Senators? Assemblymen? So? What does Dr. Violet Socks have to say about it?

:sarcasm:

[Bette Noir]

78. It wasn't a smart move to run on a Great White Hope platform

while serving in a mixed state.

She could always move to Kentucky, and run for Senate there.

I'm sorry; I have nothing against Kentucky.

[woolldog]

91. lol

well said. :toast:

[ampad]

81. N/T

:kick:

[Tarheel_Dem]

84. I'm sure she was saving that seat for Chelsea's inevitable run. I hope

Bobby, Jr. challenges her for his dad's seat & beats the dog snot out of her. I can attest to the woman removing Bill's portrait from her wall, I did the same thing.

[PoliticalAmazon]

89. Will RFK Jr run against Hillary, though? He seems pretty smitten. n/t

[Tarheel_Dem]

95. I don't think he'll run against her, but surely there's a brave New Yorker

who would take her on. Michael Bloomberg, perhaps? He really is a Democrat, a little corporate for my tastes, but he's got the name recognition, and he's surely got the funds.

[ampad]

86. n/t

:kick:

[odelisk8]

88. as a NYer

and 9-11 survivor, i had already had it with clinton because of her shameless war mongering...i suppose SOME people will not excuse W but will turn a blind eye to lady macbeth's thirst for Iraqi blood...

she's the lead cheerleader on the death squad...

time to send her back to Arkansas, or Illinois, or that shack in Scranton or wherever she comes from today...

[FrenchieCat]

94. She has exhausted all of my good will. There is none left!

[amelia]

105. You never had any good will towards Clinton, so it's always been exhausted.

[amelia]

96. You have the BO people to thank for this divide between races, YOU KNOW CLINTON IS NOT A RACIST

Posting this shit does nothing but harm to your candidate, because it just alienates Clinton supporters like me even further from your candidate, but for some reason, you just can't seem to understand this. Keep it up, you will be guilty, for the reason your candidate loses in NOv. IF he gets the nomination. You people just can't stop the relentless trashing and posting things that as Democrats, you know are not true.

[blackboard]

101. ummmm NO!

The bottom line is the Clintons along with her staff brought race into this election because they had to pull some tactics from the loser's locker room.

[Name removed]

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[PoliticalAmazon]

110. She panders to bigots which, IMO, is far worse....

How DARE you try to defend her on this?

She has pandered to bigots, turning back the clock of tolerance for racial differences in the process. Bigots are now quite proud of stating "I'll never vote for a black man," and in front of national TV cameras, too.

This is heinous, and it shows what a cheap-ass political whore she and Bill Clinton are. They sucked up to African-Americans when they had their votes, but now that they don't they are ready to kick them to the curb.

What Hillay has done is far, far worse.

[Perry Logan]

108. See "Race Man" in New Republic--confirming the Obama campaign has played dirty all along.

"To a large degree, the campaign's strategists turned the primary and caucus race to their advantage when they deliberately, falsely, and successfully portrayed Clinton and her campaign as unscrupulous race-baiters--a campaign-within-the-campaign in which the worked-up flap over the Somali costume photograph is but the latest episode. While promoting Obama as a "post-racial" figure, his campaign has purposefully polluted the contest with a new strain of what historically has been the most toxic poison in American politics."

http://www.tnr.com/toc/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304