Who said Hillary lost because of sexism? Obama supporters debunk an argument that was never made

[Philipsanchez]

Did Hillary or any in her camp claim her loss is due to sexism?
No. They POINTED OUT that sexism exists and has targeted her.

But every day you see a clueless poster trying to "debunk" an argument that wasn't made.

Not smart. But go ahead. Find me that column by any major journalists who attributes her loss to sexism. Find me a quote by her or her campaign claiming the same thing.

[Name removed]

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[Crunchy Frog]

20. They just can't keep themselves away. They just love us so much.

[Swamp Rat]

32. Score one for the troll.

:D

[JoFerret]

38. Larks vomit.

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[Catherina]

2. Quick! You have 30 minutes

[Jazzgirl]

23. Mmmmm.....the Extravaganza looks wonderful!

[Catherina]

29. I like them all. This is great. I'm calling Dominoes now

Still don't know which one I want though. You pick :rofl:

[Hippo_Tron]

3. Umm OzarkDem makes that argument at least twice a day

[Philipsanchez]

4. lol I thought some famous person had said it

I see.

[MadBadger]

15. Talk to Gerry

[d_b]

5. epic

yar

[City Lights]

6. My, my, aren't you the busy little bee.

On edit - looks like that's three. :rofl:

[tekisui]

8. That's 3.

[City Lights]

12. I just realized that and updated my post.

:hi:

[Johnny__Motown]

7. Didn't Bill Clinton just make some statements about how she has been treated as unfair and allude to

it being sexist?

[pkz]

9. here ya go~ Hillary's words

In an interview with Lois Romano of the Washington Post, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, "for the first time addressed what women have been talking about for months, what she refers to as the 'sexist' treatment she has endured at the hands of the pundits, media and others. The lewd T-shirts. The man who shouted 'Iron my shirt' at a campaign event. The references to her cleavage and her cackle.

"'It's been deeply offensive to millions of women,' Clinton said. 'I believe this campaign has been a groundbreaker in a lot of ways. But it certainly has been challenging given some of the attitudes in the press, and I regret that, because I think it's been really not worthy of the seriousness of the campaign and the historical nature of the two candidacies we have here.'

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/hillary-sees-se.html

[Richard Steele]

14. Wow, that took five whole minutes!

Some of these yahoos aren't even trying any more.

[BlooInBloo]

10. Come on dude. The sockpuppet thing didn't work - just let it go.

[K Gardner]

11. Who left the door open?? I keep tellin ya, we can't feed em all !

[Catherina]

26. Sure we can. Let's have our Messiah multiply the loaves of bread.

after he's done walking over the water ;)

[Sinistrous]

35. Gee, Cathy, why don't ypu trot out the soggy old "cult" canard while you're at it?

:wow:

[tbyg52]

13. OK, her camp did not specifically say "Waaah! We're losing because of sexism!"

(Well, they may have said the "Waaah!" part.)

But they're sure good at implying it, and other things as well.

I'm sick of her and everyone around her. And, yes, I would vote for her in the GE if I had to (which I hope I don't.)

[TexasObserver]

16. Don't they call you "Dirty" as a nickname?

Cuz I smell something funny.

[JVS]

17. Elton John?

[juno jones]

18. We're sorry. You have used your alloted three posts

to absolutely no effect whatsoever. Come back and play tomorrow. We might even give you a bozo button.

[AllentownJake]

28. Something tells

me he may be back tommorow but Phillip shall not be his name.

[Crunchy Frog]

19. Uh, this argument is being made continually on this board.

BTW, who were you in your last incarnation?

[Saturday]

21. This thread is a perfect example of BO supporters being immature. nt

[ProSense]

22. Hillary! Not only is she and her surrogates blaming sexism for her loss,

they're also implying it's Obama's fault

[mckeown1128]

24. Yes. Hillary did claim her loss is due to sexism:

Clinton blames sexism for failure to overtake Obama

IN THE historic contest between a black man and a white woman, representing two groups who have never won a presidential nomination, to blame poor results on race or sex is taboo. Last week, for the first time, Hillary Clinton claimed that she faces deeper prejudice than Barack Obama. She was accused of pulling "the gender card" from the slim deck she still holds.

Obama reluctantly initiated a national conversation about race when Jeremiah Wright gave him no choice, but he rarely mentions the disadvantages he faces as an African-American running for office. Likewise, beyond promising to "break the highest and hardest glass ceiling" Clinton has previously avoided the suggestion that, as a woman, there are significant institutional barriers to her candidacy.

In an interview with the Washington Post on Tuesday, she argued that casual sexism is tolerated and occasionally promoted by the same media commentators who jump on any hint of racial prejudice. "There should be equal rejection of sexism and racism when it raises its ugly head," she said. "It does seem as though the press at least is not as bothered by the incredible vitriol that has been engendered by the comments by people who are nothing but misogynists It's been deeply offensive to millions of women."

This could be dismissed as a loser grumbling were it not so manifestly true. Clinton ran an incompetent campaign that ignored the caucus states, stressed experience over change and underestimated her opponent, but the pervasive gender bias she encountered didn't help. As Marie Cocco put it in the Post: "For all Clinton's political blemishes, the darker stain that has been exposed is the hatred of women that is accepted as a part of our culture."


http://www.sundayherald.com/international/shinternational/display.var.2295705.0.0.php

[Liberal Veteran]

25. Geraldine Ferraro for one. Hillary Clinton for another.

"It does seem as though the press at least is not as bothered by the incredible vitriol that has been engendered by comments and reactions of people who are nothing but misogynists."

"Latent sexism has been around this country for a long time. In this campaign it was rampant,"

[paulk]

27. they are very good at strawman arguments

Obama's campaign has learned a lot from the Republicans...

[JohnnyLib2]

30. This thread is appreciated.

I'm lazy about research, and the few, arguably mild, responses quoted from Clinton are answering one question in my mind. That's the 'straw man' question about the great debunk effort of '08.

[O.M.B.inOhio]

31. The person who called my to ask for my support in the Ohio primary

She told me that she was concerned about "the other guy," -- yadda, yadda -- and asked me if Hillary could count on my support. I said I was leaning toward the other guy. The caller said, "Is it because she is a woman?"

Back in 1992, I imagined a President Hillary Clinton in 2008, right after 2 terms or Bill and 2 terms of Gore. It was a hopeful time. However, this primary season, I saw something in Obama that I feel America needs to regain its character. Hillary's campaign, from this phone volunteer on up to Hillary herself, has chilled that affection and respect I once felt for her. No name calling here (as it true in general for Obama supporters), but just a sort of sadness about a bright star that seems to have become just another ambitious politician.

Let's remember that the enemy is the GOP and whatever puppet they choose to foist upon the American people.

[RainDog]

33. why, Hillary just talked about it!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=3316925

"It's been deeply offensive to millions of women," Clinton said. "I believe this campaign has been a groundbreaker in a lot of ways. But it certainly has been challenging given some of the attitudes in the press, and I regret that, because I think it's been really not worthy of the seriousness of the campaign and the historical nature of the two candidacies we have here."

"The manifestation of some of the sexism that has gone on in this campaign is somehow more respectable, or at least more accepted, and . . . there should be equal rejection of the sexism and the racism when it raises its ugly head," she said. "It does seem as though the press at least is not as bothered by the incredible vitriol that has been engendered by the comments by people who are nothing but misogynists."

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also here - Clinton supporters blaming those who don't support her for dividing the party - because they don't like the party rules now that Hillary can't win! kiss my ass you selfish twits!! I voted for blow job Bill 2 times and I didn't like him and I CERTAINLY didn't think he was a positive role model for females.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=361456

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misogyny I won't miss (pssst, philipsanchez, misogyny is the big word for sexism)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=359193

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Robin Morgan - Goodbye to All That - in which she and she only gets to decide that because someone has a vagina, that person MUST vote for Hillary. talk about a sexist piece of work!

http://www.alternet.org/reproductivejustice/75970/

anyway, there's lots more out there if you would trouble yourself to find it, but I realize you are really just here to spin.

[LowerManhattanite]

34. I'll go with my usual under on this one...

39 posts. :)

[LowerManhattanite]

36. The UNDAH wins!

Thirty-five! :)

[JoFerret]

37. Straw targets

set em up, shoot em down.

Most campaigns do this kind of thing. Obama's is no different.