Bob Graham is spouting the Clinton campaign talking points about delegates,

[madfloridian]

and he is just repeating the rhetoric that Florida leaders have used. He was just on CNN. I felt sick inside, and my hubby turned the channel.

That is the first time all day I have watched news. And I see one of my favorite people just using spin.

Did I hear he is being thought of as a VP possible.

He needs to get his facts straight. He said the GOP was to blame.

I hate living here, I hate the lies, I hate the spin.

It does no good to tell the truth, no one listens, no one cares.

Florida is a tool to get Hillary to the convention come hell or high water.

Even after Dean dropped out last primary, hubby and I hope for the party. We could see how he was a real leader who refuse to give up when down. We saw Obama doing so well, and we have continued to have hope.

Now I am seeing the Clintons out to do anything they need to do to either win, or hurt Obama, and to write the history on Dean's chairmanship...which deserves far better respect than it is getting.

Shame on the cowardly superdelegates who fear them, shame on the party leaders who refuse to say she is lying about how the nominee is chosen.

And shame on Bob Graham for using the exact same words her campaign is using. He even used the term.."the Republicans SHOULD sanction THEIR delegates because they are the ones who caused it."

Almost the exact words the Clinton surrogates are spouting. Almost exactly.

[phrigndumass]

1. We listen and care, thanks madfloridian!

The spin is dizzying.

:hi:

On edit, check this out:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6135323

:D

[madfloridian]

6. I did not realize what that post was about.

I had been on and off this afternoon, I saw it, but made no connection.

Wow...I just don't have words, but I am getting a little teary now. That is very moving.

[phrigndumass]

12. NGU!

You deserve it!

Next Sunday, we'll all hopefully be happy to have the Florida mess behind us. Fingers crossed.

[madfloridian]

15. I have a funny feeling we won't have it behind us.

But oh, do I hope so. Fingers crossed.

[Saturday]

2. Get a clue, the GOP was to blame in FL. nt

[madfloridian]

5. No, you "get a clue"....God I hate that phrase. Get over it get a clue

The FL Dems were in on it from the start.

[AllentownJake]

7. Wrong Obama supporter

to try that line. She'll hit you with facts and links faster than you can say Tuzla.

[Cha]

13. "Tuzla" and there madfloridian is with

facts for the hilary dissemblers.

[Gore1FL]

11. not quite

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfmcYQu38hU

[roguevalley]

18. you are impossible. even if God showed you in writing how the

FL. dems fucked this up, you would still be blinded.

I hug you, madfloridian.

[BOHICA06]

3. Graham is tool and always has been and is a has been. nt

[thewiseguy]

8. Bla Bla Bla

[ossman]

4. "Lets not look backwards a year" Ummm so break the rules... just wait long enough... all good!

Nice try Graham. Back to Bill for more instructions.

[Swamp Rat]

9. I like Bob Graham and blame the GOP too...

... what are we talking about? :D

[Iceburg]

10. Bob Graham carries a lot of clout . /nt

[goclark]

14. He almost had me fooled

[OzarkDem]

16. Try to win the GE w/o Graham and the disenfranchised Dem voters

good luck.

[Johnny__Motown]

19. People in MI and FL don't think of themselves as disenfranchised, that is just a Clinton meme

We know what happened in our states better than anyone

[Tommy_Carcetti]

22. I live in Florida and I sure as hell feel disenfranchised.

And yes, I blame the DNC for it. They were the ones who choose to idiotically choose the collective punishment. The blood is on their hands.

And no self-hating Floridian is going to tell me that I shouldn't be angry at the DNC and I should be angry at my state leaders instead. Wrong. The DNC is to blame here.

I'm sorry, I am just sick of this shit. I am really sick of this shit. I am sick of people saying I should just be content in not having my vote worth a damn in my own party. And that I need to be angry at anyone except the party to blame. And that is the national DNC.

I am so fucking sick of this shit. And for anyone who describes herself or himself as a Floridian and has the gall to claim that its okay for their own vote not to count because in her or his opinion it is anyone except the DNC to blame for this shit, just move. Quit your whining, quit your incessant posting, and move your self-hating ass the fuck out of my state. My state is crowded as it is, so one less pathetic little shit like you whining about how it is okay for my vote to be worthless because of some percieved wrong that you really don't give a fuck about except for your own selfish little agenda, that is one less Floridian the better.

[remember2000forever]

17. Do You All Realize That Independents Can't Vote In FLA. Dem Primary's? Probably NOT!!

So..... Obama Came Out Of The Gate, EARLY ! and NOW We Floridians Have Now Got A Good Look At Him. I DOUBLE-DARE A FLA. Re-vote. Of Course Hillary never Wanted It To Happen. (Which It Shouldn't Of.) From A FLORIDA ( SUPPOSEDLY DIS-ENFRANCHISED VOTER) Yeah Right? NOT!!!!

[woolldog]

20. So, hopefully he's eliminated himself from contention

for the VP slot. I never cared for him.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

21. Eat us! Hey, it's Thanksgiving Day! Eat us, we make a nice buffet!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIufyg09WnQ

Eat us! Hey, its Thanksgiving Day!
Eat us, we make a nice buffet!
We lost the race with Farmer Ed,
eat us 'cause we're good and dead.
White man or red man from east, north or south,
chop off our legs, and put 'em in your mouth!

Eat me!
Sautéed or barbecued!
Eat me!
We once were pets but now we're food!
We won't stay fresh for very long!
So eat us before we finish this song!
Eat us before we finish this song!