Obama caused the release of Hillary's RFK gaff

[spotbird]

A relative of mine explained tonight that the media would have been unaware of Hillary's campaign strategy statement if Obama's camp had not leaked it.

I'm positive that I read the press corps covering Hillary in the field didn't hear the comment because the Internet connection on their bus was so bad that they couldn't watch the editorial meeting. My retaliative only believes media sources which were in existence two generations ago, anything newer isn't credible.

Is there a "mainstream" media time line that confirms the web-cast of the editorial meeting which verifies that Hillary's words were out regardless of whether Obama's campaign pointed them out?

[David Dunham]

1. The NY Post had an article on it and Obama's staff forwarded that to the other media

[spotbird]

12. Is that the same as Obama's campaign originating

it? I'm just venting here, but recirculating an opponents gaff is plain politics, it's not unfair, even if that's what happened.

[SoCalDem]

18. Like it's ok if they go around planting assassin seeds as long as not many

har the dog whistle..or report on it :wtf:

[grantcart]

22. thats not true NYPost was blogging it and it went directly to Drudge

there was an article about it today where a Post corespondent was watching it happened and on reflection thought that they may have jumped to soon. In any case there was no Obama involvement. Next time bring a link.

[K Gardner]

35. Its straight from HillaryForum...therefore, no linkiepoo. And hey, STOP TELLING THE TRUTH.. you

confuse them with factoids. Sheesh, Grant.

[hisownpetard]

41. Can't make a stinkie-poo if there's no linkie-poo!

Words to live by...

[Hamlette]

29. No, NY Post had an article that was picked up by Drudge

Obama's people responded to the NY Post article.

If it had hit Drudge and the NY Post it is fair to respond to it even if responding to it requires you to quote what you are responding to.

Here's the NYTimes article about how it "spread."

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/24/on-the-road-clintons-very-bad-day/

[Garbo 2004]

47. Uh, read the NYT account...From NY Post to Drudge and all major media checks out Drudge.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/24/on-the-road-clintons-very-bad-day/

[Window]

54. Do you have a source that states Sen. Obama's camp forwarded anything to anyone,

besides the campaign's response?

snip

"On the other end were editors who had seen a Drudge Report link to a New York Post item online. The Post was not with the traveling press — and apparently had a decent Internet connection."

The initial N.Y. Post item read this way: “She is still in the presidential race, she said today, because historically, it makes no sense to quit, and added that, ‘Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June,’ making an odd comparison between the dead candidate and Barack Obama.”

snip

By then, the Obama campaign had issued a statement, linking to the Post item and saying her comment “was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign.” Privately, we were told, the Obama camp was livid.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/24/on-the-road-clintons-very-bad-day/

[my3boyz]

56. That is not what I heard. I heard that Obama campaign forwarded

Keith Olberman's remarks about Hillary to the media. David Alxerod did not deny that.

[dkf]

59. KO's remarks came waaaay later.

[still_one]

65. Where is the link, and I want the link to give who on the staff did it

not some nameless bullshit, like most of the other things getting spewed around

[EFerrari]

2. You might check the Argus website to see if there is a posting time. n/t

[Cha]

3. Oh Bullshit..like I believe anything a hilary whiner

was passin' off.

[BlooInBloo]

4. You realize you just said the word "webcast", right?

[Mz Pip]

5. Obama has spies everywhere!

It's a conspiracy!

Maybe it really wasn't Hillary at that interview. Maybe it was Obama in a disguise. Dressed up like Hillary. Then he said something really stupid and leaked it to the media.

GOtta hand it to Hillary, she has one over active imagination.

[Me.]

6. The AP Reported It

There wasn't an Obama rep in the room to witness it so. Next it'll be said they forced the words into her mouth and mind, 3x.

[earthlover]

28. Yup. Blame the victim

[SeattleGirl]

46. How is Hilary a victim? She is the one who said the words.

:eyes:

[ampad]

7. Good, I hope he did

Payback is a bitch.

[marmar]

8. I suppose he held a gun to her head and forced her to say that stupid shit too.....

..... Give me a f**king break!! :eyes:

[JerseygirlCT]

23. That's what I don't get with this

It's not as if she didn't say it. So the problem is that she said it, and people found out about it?

This wasn't the confessional. This wasn't private communications. She was talking to an editorial board IIRC. Public.

This is a non-issue, IMO. And just an attempt to deflect blame for a major, major reckless gaffe.

[dkf]

9. The NY Post did the story and Drudge put it on his front page.

And then it was all over.

[kid a]

10. It was a live and then rebroadcast event on the Argus website

[d_b]

11. lol

[ampad]

13. Just wanted to add

that even if he did leak the information it doesn't change the fact that she said it. How Obama leaking it to the press gives Hillary any cover is beyond me; she did say it.

[spotbird]

20. It shouldn't change a thing

the statement was fair play, except to victimologists.

[baldguy]

Obama forced her to say it three times?

Keep it up. Save whatever you're smoking for life under the the McCain administration.

[Me.]

49. Haven't We All Been Told Time & Again

How nothing unplanned comes out of the Clinton campaign?

[AZBlue]

14. Well, considering she was talking to a newspaper at the time, I'd give them that as proof.

[kid a]

yep...what a bizarre OP

[BlooInBloo]

61. It's a "somebody told me" lie.

[chascarrillo]

15. Oh Jesus.

[krawhitham]

16. Every move either of them take

is watched, examined, & picked apart, NO INTERVIEW goes unchecked. I do not buy that Obama needed to tell the press about it because they did not know.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

17. Wrong! It was Obama using the power of the crystal skull that made Hillary do it.

[crickets]

74. Bwaha! You just came *so close* to owing me a keyboard. -nt

[AllentownJake]

19. Bittergate

Sucks doesn't it...really really sucks.

[anonymous171]

21. Sweet revenge.

[gristy]

24. Clinton was talking to journalists. On the record.

Run that by your retaliative and see what he thinks.

[dkf]

25. Drudge 5/23 14:48 EST

http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/data/2008/05/23/20080523_194813.htm

[spotbird]

32. What time did she say it

Not that Drudge will help, since, despite his bias, he is "new media."

[madrchsod]

26. it`s never hillary`s fault...really... it is`t

[Orangepeel]

27. Why would the Obama campaign have a better connection than the press?

That makes no sense.

It seems that the feed for the reporters on the bus was bad, but other reporters had streaming access that worked.

e.g.: http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/05/24/how-clintons-comments-didnt-then-did-catch-fire/?mod=homeblogmod_washingtonwire

And while a couple reporters — who had managed to stick with the streaming press conference — mentioned that they found her assassination reference slightly strange, few on the trail thought it would be the lead on any of their stories that day.

The fact that it did become big news is illustrative of journalistic competition in the Internet age. The entire pack of reporters sent to watch Clinton’s every move had somehow gotten beat, and forced into following a New York Post reporter who was nowhere near the campaign, but who, apparently, had a much-better Internet connection.

[spotbird]

43. Clearly Obama has the WSJ in his pocket ;)

Your link is perfect. It is the sequence I recall, although I doubt it will change any minds.

[IDemo]

30. This just in: Obama camp forced Tuzla snipers to remain hidden, use silencers n/t

[K Gardner]

31. FollowUp: Obama Camp Held Chelsea Hostage thereby Forcing Hillary to Purposefully SINK Her

Own Campaign. Person on campaign trail is Chelsea look-alike.

[IDemo]

40. Ingenious Nigerian email scam drains Clinton campaign funds

[Elspeth]

33. Not a surprise.

Someone on that campaign plays very dirty.

[spotbird]

36. Damn them for reporting Hillary's words

the day she says them.

[Cha]

42. Oh bullshit...you sure believe some anonymous poster

spreading trumped up shit about Obama with some more bullshit of your own you can't back up.

hilary makes her 3 or 4th reference to "RFK's assassination in June" talking point to reporters in South Dakota and somehow this Obama's fault?

No it's not.

<snip>

"From NBC's Mark Murray and Domenico Montanaro
This might not help the Hillary-for-veep chatter... The New York Post writes, "Hillary Clinton today brought up the assassination of Sen. Robert Kennedy while defending her decision to stay in the race against Barack Obama. 'My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it,' she said, dismissing calls to drop out."

"Clinton made her comments at a meeting with the Sioux Falls Argus-Leader's editorial board while campaigning in South Dakota, where she complained that, 'People have been trying to push me out of this ever since Iowa.'"

Obama spokesman Bill Burton responded to Clinton's remarks. "Senator Clinton's statement before the Argus Leader editorial board was unfortunate and has no place in this campaign."

NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli notes that Clinton said something similar the day after the Indiana and North Carolina primaries. "Sometimes you gotta calm people down a little bit. But if you look at successful presidential campaigns, my husband did not get the nomination until June of 1992," she said. "I remember tragically when Senator Kennedy won California near the end of that process."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/23/1058940.aspx

[ampad]

48. LOL, whatever

Hillary is fair game this is a campaign, sound familiar :rofl:

[RoadRage]

34. And if the rolls were reversed, would she do any different?

Like if say.. she was sitting on a couple of tapes of Rev. Wright - she'd just burn those, and not send 'em out to every media outlet in the country?

Please - what she said was pathetic. Her apology was worse - only to the Kennedy's as if she didn't insult Obama just as bad.

And frankly, what's there to release? This was the THIRD FUCKING TIME she's said it. Did his campaign report it EVERY TIME?

[sendero]

37. Good for him..

... it's about time everyone know what many of us have known for months. HRC will say ANYTHING, stoop to ANY LEVEL, to grab for the 0.01% chance at winning.

[Medusa]

38. Abusers always blame their victim

it's not suprising at all that the Clintons have been trying to spin this as all being Obama's fault. I still don't think they fully get that every single syllable can be reported on within seconds after it's uttered via the internet, etc.

[Ichingcarpenter]

39. The Web spread the News .. The Clintons don't get the Web

and neither do the Bushes. The Clintons are still living in the 90s.
It doesn't come out of one source.


That's why both of them want to control it and oppose a free internet.

[spotbird]

44. It's a hard concept for anyone

who doesn't use it to understand, apparently.

[Catherina]

55. It's amazing how out of touch they are n/t

[Garbo 2004]

45. New York Times good enough?

How many sources needed to prove the newspaper was webcasting the interview live & also had posted it on their website? Since blogs aren't what your're looking for here's a NYT reporter's account who was traveling with the Hillary campaign. The live webcast was not just being spottily viewed by traveling press corps with bad mobile internet connections but also by media folks and others with good internet connections.

NYT report from reporter traveling with Hillary's campaign:

Mrs. Clinton had three events. First was a meeting with the editorial board of the Sioux Falls Argus Leader, which was live-streaming the interview, something a few newspapers just started doing in this election cycle.

The press corps, meanwhile, was on a bus from the airport to Brandon, a few miles away, to set up for her second event at a supermarket. (The media are sometimes in a different place from the candidate, usually when the event is private or small.)

Her interview began while we were on the bus, but Internet access was so poor, we could only pick up bits of her comments intermittently. We did hear her bat back reports that her campaign had made overtures to Senator Barack Obama’s campaign about some kind of deal for her to exit the race.

At the supermarket, we were ensconced in a café off the deli counter, where many reporters were writing about her denying the overtures while also trying to follow the live stream. Here, too, Internet access was spotty and the stream came over in choppy bursts.

Mrs. Clinton arrived from the newspaper in the midst of this, and began addressing a couple of hundred people who were seated adjacent to us, in the fresh produce section. Then our cell phones and Blackberries went off.

On the other end were editors who had seen a Drudge Report link to a New York Post item online. The Post was not with the traveling press — and apparently had a decent Internet connection.

The initial N.Y. Post item read this way: “She is still in the presidential race, she said today, because historically, it makes no sense to quit, and added that, ‘Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June,’ making an odd comparison between the dead candidate and Barack Obama.”

Mrs. Clinton did not make that comparison. Here’s the video and here’s the transcript from the paper’s Web site, though it is not complete.

More at http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/24/on-the-road-clintons-very-bad-day/

[OzarkDem]

50. Obama's good at trashing fellow Dems

typical of Dems who spend most of their career in strongly Democratic areas like Chicago. They become very comfortable with running nasty campaigns against fellow Dems, and courting Republicans who help them get the job done.

However, they often owe many favors to GOP'ers who have helped them in their climb up the ladder and usually are ill equipped to run against them in a hotly contested race.

[quaker bill]

68. Interesting circles

your mind tends to wander in. I was going to suggest that you might want to ease back into reality slowly. However, on further reflection, I don't suspect you are going there at all.

[Swamp Rat]

51. It does not matter who pointed it out.

It is already out.

[CreekDog]

52. it was in a newspaper interview!

that's not exactly keeping it a secret. if one journalist read the transcript it would have come out immediately.

[Garbo 2004]

72. The interview was live streamed on the web and they also posted a video of it. And it was a big

news day since reporters wanted to get her response to the reported "campaign in talks" claims.

It's not like no one in the media was watching the interview.

[grasswire]

53. Politico says they got it from NY Post

...and jumped on it immediately, but they were dismayed when they finally saw it in context. Politico says out of context it was inflammatory, in context not so much.

[dkf]

57. WSJ's account...posters's relative has it all wrong.

Clinton was scheduled to sit down with the editorial board at the Sioux Falls Argus Leader ahead of a campaign event at a Brandon, S.D., grocery store. The Clinton camp’s press people advised reporters that the editorial board meeting would be streamed online where reporters would be able to watch, take notes and report on anything worthwhile.

The press corps was sent ahead to the grocery story, Sunshine Foods, where they ensconced themselves in a reserved café area, picked at pasta salad from the spread, pecked away at their keyboards and tried to watch the Clinton meeting online.

Unfortunately, as sometimes happens out on the trail, the local technology infrastructure didn’t seem quite ready for an influx of heavily wired journalists. Some reporters found the streamed broadcast of the editorial meeting excruciatingly slow, rendering it unwatchable. It didn’t seem that there would be any huge news out of a routine sitdown with the editors of a small-town daily, besides her batting away earlier reports that day that she was seeking to reach a deal with Obama’s campaign as way to exit the nomination race. She did, in fact, tell the editorial board that those reports were “flatly untrue… flatly, completely untrue.”

Clinton concluded her meeting at the Argus Leader and arrived at the supermarket, where a few hundred onlookers assembled in the produce section, when the RFK comments began to reverberate around the Internet.

As the New York senator was delivering her stump speech in the grocery store, reporters began receiving messages on their BlackBerrys from editors wondering about a New York Post story posted prominently on the Drudge Report that referenced the senator’s mention of the assassination.

The bulk of the press corps soon gathered around a Clinton spokesman asking for comments and clarification on the Kennedy quotes. Seemingly taken aback by the direction the questions were going, the spokesman explained that Clinton had merely been trying to emphasize the point that Democratic primary fights had stretched into June in the past.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/05/24/how-clintons-comments-didnt-then-did-catch-fire/

[Mezzo]

58. Of COURSE he did...and then he denies it..or acts like "everyone else' is overreacting when HE was

the one stoking the fires. It's been a calling card of his for quite some time now.

[Garbo 2004]

73. An assertion contradicted by reporters who actually got the calls from editors who saw it in NY Post

and Drudge within minutes of the interview which was on a live internet feed. Yeah, the MSM (even the haughty NYT) checks out Drudge for material.

[zulchzulu]

60. So the repeated times that HRC used the RFK meme is Obama's fault?

Holy shit. You. Are. Insane.

[jillan]

62. What the O camp did was send out Keithy's ranting.

[papapi]

63. I think the misspelling 'retaliative' for relative in the OP is revealing.

...I'm just sayin'.

[quantass]

64. ** You know, if Hillary never made the serious gaff there wouldnt have been a story **

[w4rma]

66. Obama has control of Hillary's mind! Hillary is Obama's puppet and he makes her do dumb things. (nt)

[quaker bill]

70. No it is more than that.

He has full control of all reality, He is "the one" and he has programmed the Matrix against Hillary. All matter and people everywhere now conspire against her. She is the only one who could ever have saved us, but it is too late, because the Agents have received their programming from Obama central. He is the "emperor" from the star wars movies combined with "the architect" from the Matrix, with a little Darth Vader thrown in for good measure.

[jenmito]

67. Gaffe? She said it at least twice before. And the same could be said about "bittergate."

Remember?

[Carrieyazel]

69. Of course. They're overly sensitive and defensive in the Obama camp.

It doesn't take much to set them off.

Another thing. If Hillary is so irrelevant at this point, why are they still putting so much effort on her and not McCain?

[blogslut]

71. The New York Post heard it on the live feed

and it went from there.