"Barak can get shot going to the gas station.”

[Mike L]

Michelle Obama in "60 Minutes" interview aired 2-11-07:

“I don’t lose sleep over it because the realities are that… as a black man… Barak can get shot going to the gas station.”

So quit bitchin about Hillary's comment when Michelle has said the same.

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[DemVet]

3. Oh shit!!! Michelle wants her husband ASSASSINATED!!!

Watch out Michelle, the black helicopters are coming to get you!

[datopbanana]

128. What a blissful world of ignorance you must live in

[DangerDave921]

4. totally different

One is a commentary on crime and race. The other is a statement that Hey I should stick in this race because you never know -- Obama may be assasinated.

[Yael]

10. Beat me to it.

Thanks

[DangerDave921]

12. That's what she said.

Gotta love Michael Scott. :)

[helderheid]

50. What you said.

[Why Syzygy]

57. Yeah. Statistically, black men live much shorter lives than white men.

I applied for holiday work at an unfamiliar shop. The owner told me she thought everything was covered.
Unless someone died or something. I didn't check back.

[marshall]

125. True--the equivalent would have been Michelle reveling in possible widowhood

She wasn't doing that.

[jefferson_dem]

5. Key difference: Michelle is expressing fear. Hillary is expressing hope.

Shouldn't it be a requirement that you at least be able to the spell the candidate's name, who you are criticizing?

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[PM7nj]

112. WTF?

You have some serious problems.

[WillyToad]

121. Who is expressing hope?

More like who is attempting to project their fantasy on someone? You are.

[Eurobabe]

6. pssst, it's Barack.

Just thought you'd want to know how to spell the next President's first name. :hi:

[Mike L]

14. I can spell John. Unfortunately, He'll be the next Pres with Obama on our ticket.

Hillary can win though. Obama's comment about "bitter" small town people clinging to their "guns and religion" didn't play well in the Ohio primary and won't play well in the general.

[Doityourself]

19. Hillary's unfavorable ratings are up there with OJ's.no way she wins!

[Mike L]

30. She's way ahead in OH. That's all that matters. em

[Doityourself]

38. You heard what I said...her unfavorable ratings are up there with OJ's...

[Mike L]

40. She would win the blue states. All she needs is OH. That's what the GE comes down to. em

[Doityourself]

44. LoL okay..but thing is..she aint' gonna get the chance to run in Novemeber...too bad so sad!.

[roseBudd]

117. Not when Cuyahoga, Montgomery, Hamilton & Franklin don't turn out, & downticket

candidates in African American districts lose their seats.

[w13rd0]

39. All that matters is OH?

Is this a new campaign strategy? I know only the states she "wins" count, but I'm pretty sure she's won more than Ohio, surely they must count as well, right?

[Mike L]

43. Not really. Blue states will go blue and red states red. OH and FL

decide the GE due to their large number of electoral delegates. HRC has a huge lead in OH and a slight lead in FL over McCain. McCain has a large lead in FL and a slight lead in OH over Obama. Obama is essentially locked out of FL and will lose in OH because of the demographics and his anti-gun and religion comment.

[dansolo]

110. What makes you think that she will win Wisconsin?

Pinning her hopes on winning Ohio is idiotic. If she wins Ohio, but loses even a single state that Kerry won, she loses the election. Kerry only won Wisconsin by 11,000 votes. Hillary could very easily lose WI.

[Why Syzygy]

59. Bittergate was after Ohio. Way after.

Fail.

[Mike L]

71. Wow! even worse for Obama. He lost OH by 10 points before 'bittergate.' em

[Zodiak]

60. The Ohio primary was before the "bitter comments"

You are thinking about Pennsylvania. Ohio primary was in March, Obama's "bitter" comment broke on April 13th. What did affect the Ohio primary was Hillary's NAFTA lie. But now Ohioans (the ones not in Appalachia) know they have been lied to.

If you are going to be a shill, at least have some facts at your disposal. Your ham-handedness makes knocking you down as easy as shooting fish in a barrel.

[Eurobabe]

62. I smell a toying troll. You can't even spell Obama's name correctly

I smell a pizza coming.

Meet my ignore list. C'ya! :hi:

[VolcanoJen]

94. Are you really pointing to the Ohio Primary as "proof" that only Hillary can win Ohio?

http://www.surveyusa.com/index.php/2008/05/23/ohio-vp-matchups

You Clintonistas with your phony narratives have me laughing heartily this lovely Tuesday afternoon. :rofl:

[Mike L]

98. SurveyUSA poll overweighted Dems 2:1 over Repubs. Invalid poll. em

[VolcanoJen]

99. Did you look at the crosstabs?

:shrug:

Polls that show Obama's strength = Bad tabs.

Polls that show Clinton's strength = Good tabs!!!

We get it. :eyes:

[slinkerwink]

8. and this is offensive how? Is Michelle saying that's the only reason why

Obama is staying in, because Hillary might get shot? Did she talk about Bill's campaign race, and then say, "And we all remember the tragic time when Hillary Clinton was shot?"

[SoCalDem]

9. It was Bosnia..but it only grazed her

:rofl:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

11. HIllary could get shot today - her husband was threatened with assassination before

whats your point?

[natrat]

13. real smooth comparison there mike L-nothing like ignoring context

[hokies4ever]

15. WRONG INTERPRETATION:

She was asked if she worries about Obama getting shot because he's a black man running for President. All she said was that he can get shot going to the gas station, therefore they aren't going to let fear run their lives.

NICE TRY THOUGH! :rofl:

[Mike L]

18. She's saying anything can happen. That was Hillary's point. em

[SoCalDem]

23. right..BUT that's the kind of stuff you say to CLOSE friends

and perhaps within the campaign.. you do NOT say it to the media THREE TIMES..and you do not send your hon-yock goofball out daily to parrot it, as he grins from ear to ear like he does, with the snuffle-uffagus snorty laugh of his:puke:

[hokies4ever]

25. Michelle was asked if she was worried about Obama being shot

just because he was a black man running for President. She responded that he could be shot going to the gas station or doing any other activity, so it doesn't make sense to lose sleep and worry about it.

It's no secret that Hillary is staying in the race hoping that something 'big' happens to Obama. Terry McAuliffe should have denied it instead of confirming it a week ago on Meet The Press. Hillary's comment only went into feeding the frenzy anymore.

Look, I am willing to forgive Hillary's bad choice of words. I know that's not what Hillary meant. But you aren't doing her any help by dwelling on this subject. This isn't a winning point for her, so you should just move on and hope that people just forget it.

[Muttocracy]

111. no, you're missing the point that this was an answer in response to a question about assassination

not just throwing it out there to see what effect it has, and explaining it as sticking around for a primary you cannot otherwise win.

[hokies4ever]

16. Are you still pissed about Obama's landslide victory in SC?

:rofl:

[Mike L]

22. No, I expected it. Jessie Jackson won SC in '84 and '88. em

[CTLawGuy]

26. Bill is that you?

or is it Geraldine, back from her KKK rally?

[Mike L]

31. I stated a fact. em

[CTLawGuy]

65. the notion of jesse jackson winning is a fact...

the insinuation that this fact explains Obama's victory is racism...

[Mike L]

88. Is 91% of African Americans voting for Obama over Clinton racist?

[CTLawGuy]

108. possibly

if they are voting for him because they can't abide a white candidate. Otherwise it's not the same.

[Mike L]

126. .....or if they're voting for him because he's black.

Statistically, that's what the percentage indicates. Considering the great relationship that the Clintons had with the African American community, both during and after Bill's terms, HRC should have gotten at least 55% of the African American vote.

[roseBudd]

118. Is 80% of blacks voting for white Democratic candidates partisan voting?

Racist whites have never voted for a black candidate.

[Mike L]

127. Obama and Clinton are both Democrats. em

[roseBudd]

130. African Americans have been voting for any Democrat with a white face since the 60s...

the racist whites have never voted for a black regardless of party.

[beezlebum]

120. *PLONK*

[VolcanoJen]

101. ROFL

I'll bet you typed that with one finger while pointing and wagging your other finger.

[PaulaFarrell]

17. ya want some context with that?

KROFT: This is a tough question to ask, but a number of years ago, Colin Powell was thinking about running for president, and his wife, Alma, really did not want him to run.

MICHELLE OBAMA: Mm-hmm.

KROFT: She was worried about some crazy person with a gun.

MICHELLE OBAMA: Mm-hmm.

KROFT: Is that something that you think about?

MICHELLE OBAMA: I don't lose sleep over it, because the realities are that, you know, as a black man, you know, Barack can get shot going to the gas station, you know. So, you know, you can't -- you know, you can't make decisions based on fear and the possibility of what might happen. We just weren't raised that way.

[TexasObserver]

20. Michelle was responding to a specific QUESTION. She didn't bring it up.

Your inability to think rationally is one reason you can't understand such simple things as this.

[flvegan]

21. This is getting dumber by the day.

[madrchsod]

29. you are right.

when ya think it can`t ....it does.

[Lerkfish]

24. plonk.

[LiberalAndProud]

27. Where did this talking point come from?

I have seen this post numerous times here. It makes absolutely ZERO sense to compare the two sound bytes. ZERO.

Hillary did not mean to suggest that somebody should do something about her Obama problem. What does Michelle's observation have to do with it if that was Hillary's intent?

[hokies4ever]

28. There you go thinking again

instead of just blindly believing the original post. Elitist! :rofl:

[miles 2 go]

32. If Barack is assasinated, it will not be by some dumb-fuck redneck

But will be another government inside job and I think we all know this to be true. It will be made to look like some psycho KKK bullshit, but it won't be.

[Hugabear]

33. Obviously context means nothing to you

You take two statements, and try to compare them based on a single sentence, context be damned. Obviously you don't care what the subject was, how it was said, why it was said, etc. For you and all other Hillbots, there is no such thing as context.

[rucky]

34. That's the same message as Hillary?

I thought is was just about candidates staying in thru June.

[EnviroBat]

35. Barack shot a black man at a gas station?

Oh My!
:shrug:

God I love context...

[Ichingcarpenter]

36. " bitchin "

.

[stratomagi]

37. Apples to Oranges?

How is expressing concern as a wife anything related to staying in a race you lost because hey look "anything" could happen. It would be similar probably if Michelle had said, "I hope Hillary gets shot going to the gas station." Then we'd quit bitchin'.

[RoadRage]

41. You stole my subject line!

Exactly what I was going to say...

[stratomagi]

42. I thought I'd relieve someone the effort of stating the obvious

today was your turn. ;-)

[Bad Thoughts]

45. Ditto

The fear of a spouse does not equate with Clinton's statement about political process. I wonder what part of the political process could imperil Obama in the next four weeks?

[hiaasenrocks]

84. LOL @ the cliche. n/t

[SeaLyons]

46. Just using Hillary's comment as an excuse to pile on....

[Goblinmonger]

54. God forbid people

are actually held accountable for what they say. WHAT HAS THIS WORLD COME TO?!?!?!!?

:sarcasm: for the impaired. And stupid.

[SeaLyons]

55. Accountable?

She is accountable for what she says, and what she said was making reference to a timeline of JUNE. NOT wishing ill will on Obama.

[Goblinmonger]

61. Yeah, it was just a timeline comment

"Hey, people get shot when they run for president. One time a guy got shot in June. I should hang around until June. I'm not saying some racist prick should shoot Obama. I'm just saying. June, ya know."

It was a shitty comment; why can't you admit to that?

[SeaLyons]

67. The only thing "shitty" is YOUR comment.

[Goblinmonger]

77. Keep that head in the sand

that will make it all better. I realize people say things they don't mean. But you seem to be standing by what she said. And it was a horrible thing to say. I mean, lets just take off the table all the assassination comments that have been made previous by other people and assume Hillary is running against someone else. Why the hell would you bring up the assassination of Bobby Kennedy as a positive reason for you to stay in the race until June?

[SeaLyons]

79. Her intentions were not to be offensive.....

should she have made the comment?? No! Has it been totally blown up for political reasons?? YES!!

[Lilith Velkor]

47. Michelle was not committing the crime of Talking While Clinton, so it's OK.

[raebrek]

48. quit it n/t

[Moochy]

49. At least only 4 fuckwits recommended this tripe

That's down from about 12 hangers-on.

[TexasObserver]

52. that's an accurate measure of how many true delusionals remain

The ones who think this is Braveheart, and Hillary is playing Mel Gibson's character.

[FredScuttle]

51. "the same"???

I wasn't aware it was Michelle who raised the spectre of RFK's assassination (only days after Teddy's brain tumor news) simply to gin up some sick justification for her refusual to face reality and drop out of a race she has no realistic or practical chance at winning. Oh, almost forgot....all the while promoting a false and illogical equating of the 2008 primaries to the 1992 and 1968 primaries, as if they were in any shade similar (which they're not).

Yeah....exactly the same. :eyes:

[JVS]

53. Do you think you're clever?

[Mike L]

73. Oh Yeah! em

[BlueEyedSon]

56. STFU Mike.

[msallied]

58. A wife expressing fears over her husband being shot and a political opponent invoking

the assassination of RFK for political leverage... hmmm... does not equal.

[Skip Intro]

63. Wow, she doesn't play that race card, does she? Sheesh.

Hell, as a white man, I can get shot going to the gas station too.

wtf does race have to do with it?

[msallied]

69. I think she was speaking of the context of him running for President.

And if you don't think that Obama is at a much higher risk of being assassinated due to his skin color, then you're being selectively obtuse.

[Mike L]

74. Michelle is paraniod. Remember her Princeton thesis?

"My experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my 'blackness' than ever before...I have found that at Princeton, no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my white professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don't belong. Regardless of the circumstances underwhich I interact with whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be black first and a student second."


"Predominately white universities like Princeton are socially and academically designed to cater to the needs of the white students comprising the bulk of their enrollments."


"... the path I have chosen to follow by attending Princeton will likely lead to my further integration and/or assimilation into a White cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society, never becoming a full participant. This realization has presently made my goals to actively utilize my resources to benefit the Black community more desirable."

[lojasmo]

64. It's not the same.

Of course, since you guys are so damn bad at math, nothing surprises me anymore.

[ShortnFiery]

66. If you're going to disrespect Obama, at least spell his first name right.

:eyes:

[Mike L]

76. Why bother? He'll only be a footnote. em

[thewiseguy]

83. Listen pal, this is DU. If you cant spell the guy's name right then you may as well zip it.

[Yes We Did]

68. That is not the same thing, and you know it.

She was asked the question, she didn't volunteer it. Nice attempt at spin though. If there was no such thing as YouTube, we might have actually bought it.

[yardwork]

70. If you don't understand the difference, you need to educate yourself.

[Ian_rd]

72. Hmm - there's a difference here. And it's obvious.

One person is talking about it as a genuine concern she has for the man's life.

Another is talking about it as justification for continuing a divisive, destructive, and unwinnable campaign.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

75. Difference Is Hillary Wasn't Talking About Him Being Assassinated.

Anyone who thinks she was needs to get a grip and try and re-enter reality.

[Goblinmonger]

78. She didn't explicitly say Obama

but if that isn't what she meant, please explain the Bobby Kennedy assassination in June comment. What the hell else could she possibly be referring to?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

80. Get A Grip Please, This Is Embarrassing.

It is clear as day that in context she was simply stating how it's not the end of the world that she's still in the running going into June, and that others have gone that long as well. No drama to it, no hidden agenda to it, no evil threats about it, just a clear and obvious reference to time. It really is an embarrassment to keep seeing so many here push the assassination meme, as if there would be any truth to it in a million years. Some really need to check their health.

[Goblinmonger]

87. So why not just say that?

Why not use examples of others that have gone into June without the world ending? Why bring up an assassination example? It's not like this hadn't been vetted and she had no clue the question would come up.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

90. Get A Grip.

[Goblinmonger]

91. Hard to argue with logic like that.

So an ad hom is all you've got? Good to know.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

93. Not An Ad Hominem At All. You Simply Need To Get A Grip.

You're overreacting and standing firm on a warped, skewed and completely irrational belief. There's really not much more logic that needs to be said other than get a grip, because the only real disconnect here is that you currently don't have one.

No, she wasn't implying impending assassination, and the declaration of such is quite asinine to the rational amongst us. Sorry if that bothers you.

[Goblinmonger]

100. Of course it is an ad hom.

You are substituting me for the argument. I am crazy, so my argument must be invalid.

You still haven't addressed the initial question/request. Explain the use of the Bobby Kennedy assassination rather than many other examples of the primary going to the June timeline. Why talk about assassination as a reason to keep going until June?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

106. Wrong. Not An Ad Hominem At All.

See, an Ad Hominem would be if I was discrediting the argument based on who YOU are. In this case, I'm discrediting YOU because of what your ARGUMENT is.

Huge fuckin difference pal.

See, the argument is one of delusion and irrationality, and a sign of a mind that is having trouble seeing things clearly, logically and realistically. Because that's the argument you're waging and standing so firm with, it discredits you and your ability itself.

So no, not an ad hominem. Instead it's an accurate depiction of the situation. You simply just need to get a grip. :hi:

[Goblinmonger]

113. I still find it interesting

that you have not given an explanation as to why she used an assassination example when so many others are available to her since her only point was that June isn't so far to take the primary.

Keep avoiding the point though and convince yourself that it is I that has the problem.

[CakeGrrl]

81. Um, NO. There's a big damned difference between acknowledging the reality

that it can happen, and having your desperate opponent sending out dogwhistles to keep it at the forefront of peoples' consciousness to capitalize on the fear one way or another.

[stillcool]

82. I will continue to bitch about Hillary Clinton's

hopes of a catastrophic event to befall Senator Obama, so she gets handed the election. Not only is it her highest hope, it is the campaign strategy she pimps of late.

[haymakeragain]

85. Stupid comment, but what's new from Hillarians?

Hill said something stupid while trying to make a mute point, it's not anyone else's fault but hers. Quit blaming others for Hill's dumb-assed, irrelevant remark.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

86. Michelle was responding to a direct question. Hillary offered her comment unsolicited

[JuniperLea]

89. Yes, and they were talking about two different things...

Michelle was talking about her husband's life... Hillary was talking about primary elections and conventions.

[Bensthename]

92. Why do you fail to show the question asked to Michelle?

Question was is if they are afraid for Obama?

Nice try though

[cbc5g]

95. You've already been proven wrong but heres another thing - SHE HASNT BEEN IN POLITICS LIKE HILL

FOR 30 YEARS


Hillary makes CALCULATED remarks and that assassination comment she made was CALCULATED.

[Aramis]

96. Hell, I do get shot everytime I'm at the gas station.

[Khaotic]

97. WTF?

Are you fucking high?!

That's his wife talking about the everyday fears and realities of being black.

Hardly comparable to making a comment about why you're staying in the presidential race and relating it to assasination.

WTF?

Pull you head out of your ass!

[VolcanoJen]

102. Thank you, Khaotic

Nice to see a little sanity/levity in this thread!!

:thumbsup:

[Mike L]

105. So Michelle feels like she's a victim?

Nice First Lady material.

[Cha]

103. You don't tell us to quit bitchin..hilary's a liar

and a pandering, whining, cheater so hilary's the one who needs to quit Bitching.

Michelle wasn't using it a talking point or part of her tactics like hilary and hilary lied about why she was using it gratuitiously..

<snip>

"Yet the assassination reference wasn't Clinton's only mistake. In the same breath, she maintained that her husband had not wrapped up the nomination until June. In truth, he did so in March with the Illinois primary. While California made his victory a mathematical fact, the outcome had not been in doubt for months."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080524/ap_on_el_pr/clinton... ;_ylt=AkZR3NoSD3_U45IdK85Mksis0NUE

Latest hilary lie..as far as I know.

[Doctor_J]

104. Are you getting this stuff right from Fox News?

We don't really allow that here.

[Hippo_Tron]

109. Shhhh... nobody tell Mike L that the website he links to in his sig supports Obama

[DemVet]

114. How would she ever pay for those $10,000 in piano lessons?

[Dinger]

115. K & R

[indimuse]

116. Assassination*** Race***And Victim*** All in one sentence!

She's good! There is your RACE CARD!!! VICTIM CARD!! ASSAINATION CARD!!

[roseBudd]

119. Bullying*** Gender***And Victim*** All in one sentence!

[mckeown1128]

122. Michelle wasn't saying it as an excuse for Hillary to stay in the race. nt

[indimuse]

124. Neither was Hillary!

:) educate yourself.

[mckeown1128]

129. That's why Hillary mentioned RFK's assassination in an attempt

to legitimize dragging the race out further. :eyes:

[Blue-Jay]

123. El Gasbag was pimping this same quote on his show yesterday.

And supporting it's relevance in the exact same manner as you.