Flashback: Hillary stabs Kerry. We should have known then.

[themaguffin]

http://letters.salon.com/politics/war_room/2006/11/01/kerry3/view/index.html


Kerry's apology comes just as Hillary Clinton -- who risks absolutely nothing by staying out of the fray -- declares that his original comments were "inappropriate." That's a fair statement to make only if Clinton believes, as Republicans claim, that Kerry was maligning the troops rather than their commander in chief. Does she really think that? And if she doesn't, what possible reason does she have for helping the GOP extend this story for a few more hours?


and the responses say it all:


While I always believed that a Hillary candidacy in 08 would be bad for the party and the country, due to the incredible hatred some still hold and will always hold for her, I also believed that in general she was qualified. Her actions in piling on John Kerry, which serve only to legitimize the outrageous right wing attacks, disqualify her in my mind. She has put personal ambition above truth, honor and "doing what's right." Sadly, in the process she has also lent credence to those who have long tried to paint her as a brazen opportunist.

..among many others.

http://letters.salon.com/politics/war_room/2006/11/01/kerry3/view/index.html


I don't hate Hillary and I don't want to dislike her even, but her antics are a lot for people to ask to suck up for party. If things turned out different earlier this year and her plan worked (winning by Feb), I would support her and the party, but she lost. There are no "if's"

She lost. It's not personal. Her continued attacks are hurting the party. Period.

Looking back at such unnecessary events like her blatent stab at Kerry don't help her cause either.

I can't take another 4 years of a GOP White House that will continue wage war on the working class and put more extreme partisans on the Supreme Court, all while continue an unjust war.

Hillary, you can help us, the party, the people.... the Constitution.


It's that important.

[Saturday]

1. Oh just stop this shit. nt

[themaguffin]

2. Stop this shit indeed.

[Hola]

3. Hillary was running for the Presidency then too

She got Ann Coulters endorsement because of that. She forgot she had to go through a primary first. Family name won't get you very far - not in the Dem party atleast!

[rox63]

5. She's been running for the presidency since she first announced her candidacy for NY Senator

When she loses the Dem nomination, don't be suprised if she chooses not to run for reelection to her Senate seat. It was always just a stepping stone anyway.

[SoCalDem]

44. and being 1 of 100 must have irritated the hell out of her

New Yorkers may not be all that crazy about her anymore anyway...her re-election might not be a snap..Her loonies are probably harassing Patterson right now..trying to convince him to "spend more time with his family", so Hillie can be governor..

Bill would probably love to have her in Albany anyway :evilgrin:

[bagimin]

30. Yeah...

This truth shit has got to stop!

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

4. stop Hillary's shit indeed. She has crapped on fellow democrats for ages now

and its time for her to either do a Liebermann or
start acting like a real democrat.

[Kittycat]

6. Stop what? The truth? Does it hurt to read it? It should.

Hillary is a snake, looking out only for herself.

[uponit7771]

7. It would be great if she did, please ask her to do so

[Skip Intro]

8. AMEN!

[beachmom]

14. Yeah! Amen to squelching the truth of what a total back stabber Hillary Clinton is!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

Supporters of other candidates didn't see what we Kerry supporters saw at the time: that Hillary Clinton IN A HEARTBEAT would ally with the right wing enemy if she thought it would help her in her own ambitions. She is no friend to the Democratic Party, and SHE HAS NO HONOR OR INTEGRITY.

[Skip Intro]

17. Plenty of Dems were calling on Kerry to apologize, Hillary refused.

Who's playing with the truth here?

[beachmom]

18. She called what he said "inappropriate". That was worse than anyone else.

Why was a mistake where he omitted one word inappropriate? The only way it was "inappropriate" was that he had purposely maligned the troops, which was the crap the right wing was pushing. Don't even THINK of defending Hillary here. She threw Kerry under the bus, and extended the story another day.

[Skip Intro]

19. Oh my God, get out the parsing knives. Your hatred blinds you.

Democrats were calling on Kerry to apologize but Hillary did not, and she is therefore a backstabber. She didn't extend the story another day, the story was boiling over and didn't start to simmer until Kerry addressed it, and then hid himself away because of the liability he had become to the party's chances of winning the elections just days away.

As Matthews said to that idiotic rw radio jock a few days ago, you don't know what you are talking about.

Rage on, tho.

[cboy4]

9. And guess who stabbed Hillary Clinton?

<--------Bill Richardson

[themaguffin]

12. Richardson sided with the GOP against Hillary...?

[book_worm]

21. why is endorsing someone other than Hillary stabbing her?

[JVS]

42. Bill is awesome!

[Skip Intro]

10. Calls for Kerry to apologize were coming from all over. Hillary REFUSED to call for an apology.

And Kerry himself all but said his words were inappropriate.

In the heat of a quickly approaching campaign, this dustup was big and growing. There was an ever-increasing chorus demanding Kerry apologize. In this context, Hillary, when asked, said the comments were inappropriate but that we - Democrats - must not get diverted from winning the upcoming elections. Yes, she said that as one statement.

She never did call for his apology.

The twisting and turning and faux outrage at level 9 is pathetic.

[themaguffin]

15. She didn't need to speak. She WENT OUT OF HER WAY to stab him

[beachmom]

You refuse to see the truth. Have you watched the video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

Hillary called it "inappropriate". Jim Webb, whose son was actually in Iraq, and for which he had a dispute with Kerry for 30 years over the Vietnam War, AND who was in a tight race in Virginia said this:

SALEM, Va. Democratic U-S Senate candidate Jim Webb defended the caliber of U-S troops in Iraq today at an appearance in Salem.

Speaking to reporters following a rally with veteran's administration workers, Webb responded to remarks made yesterday by Senator John Kerry urging students to study hard or they could wind up in Iraq.

Webb said there are a lot of -- quote -- "really, really fine and educated people in the United States military." He said an example is his son, who had three years at Penn State before going into the military.

Webb would not comment on whether Kerry should apologize for his remarks.

Kerry has said that he had botched a joke and his comments were misconstrued, but Webb said -- quote -- "he needs to work on his punch line."

"He needs to work on his punch line" is apt. "Inappropriate" is feeding into right wing propaganda. She knew EXACTLY what she was doing.

[Mass]

34. Before her, only one major dem had called for him to apologize: Harold Ford.

So, sorry, you want to protect your girl, fine. But she gave the signal by talking to the media when she knew that he just dropped a pronoun (she knew or she is an idiot, which I do not believe she is).

[Skip Intro]

39. It's not about "protecting my girl," it's about honesty and fairness.

This was a big deal at the time, and elections were days away. Her message was, let's not get diverted from winning, DEMOCRATS, winning those elections.

Many repukes and some Dems were calling on Kerry to apologize. She did not. The White House was taunting him.

We know of the one statement by Hillary at the time. His remarks were inappropriate, let's move on and win. She was obviously in a crush of reporters, if you look at the youtube clip. Was that the first question, the last? Was she being pounded on by the media to either accept or reject Kerry's comments? Was she being asked repeatedly if she called on Kerry to apologize? I don't konw, do you?

I remember when this came up at that time. I remember being proud of her for refusing to call on him to apologize.

No, this isn't about protecting my girl. This is about showing some decency and being honest and fair.

I think your hatred has blinded you to those concepts when it comes to Hillary Clinton.

[Mass]

45. OK, we see that differently. But sorry, no hatred from me for her. I prefer Obama.

And the fact stays that she was the first major democrat to pound on Kerry, at a time where she was the inevitable nominee, according to the media (those media who are so much against Clinton than 1 year and a half ago, they could not envision somebody else being the nominee). There was no justification from that, except if you want to tell us she cannot withstand the media pressure, but it is not reassuring for her actual toughness in a crisis if a few reporters asking a hard question will make her do things!

What he said was by no mean inappropriate. What the GOP said on Kerry was though inappropriate.

[YvonneCa]

37. The 'spin' that Kerry dissed the troops was a lie...

...and Kerry apologized for his words that were SPUN against the troops. And Hillary had to know that. Still, she took the side of the 'spinners', rather than defend her colleague, Senator Kerry.

He never disrespected the troops that day...and never would anyway. It's not his style. Those who did the spinning decided to disrespect the troops. What does that say about THEM?

[skooooo]

11. Imus was right.

[Window]

13. Yes, Hillary, words do matter.

:kick:

[DangerousRhythm]

16. "She better worry about Obama"

"She better worry about...

Obama. That's the real train heading straight for her.
-- saintzak

Permalink Wednesday, November 1, 2006 01:53 PM"

Now THAT person was very smart. :)

[Major Hogwash]

20. She was too busy "ducking sniper fire" and writing her battlefield memoirs to care in 2004.

Dearest Bill,

The shots are coming closer now. The vet says that Socks must be sicker than he first thought. OMG! You should see the size of this needle he's going to use! I can't watch.

*passes out*

[book_worm]

22. what is it about the Clinton's that they go out of their way to criticize democrats while try to act

so cozy with Republicans like the Bush's?

[EmeraldCityGrl]

23. Didn't the Clintons keep their distance during Gores campaign?

At the time I thought it was to distance Gore from the entire BJ episode, but now believe it fits the pattern
of putting themselves ahead of the party.

[book_worm]

24. to be fair Gore kept his distance from Clinton in '00

[EmeraldCityGrl]

25. That is probably true.

[Psyop Samurai]

26. We DID know then. nt

[w4rma]

27. When Hillary pulled that stunt, it was the last straw for me. (nt)

[palindrome]

28. By the way, Kerry asked WHO to be his VP?

That's right.... McCain.

[blm]

29. No...he didn't.

McCain's people approached Kerry about it. Kerry would have only taken it further if Daschle had succeeded in getting McCain to switch parties. You people seem to think things happen in a vacuum.

[Mass]

36. Not true!

[mitchum]

38. No, he did not

[dailykoff]

31. That's what did it for me.

I knew she was a troll before that but that was like broadcasting it.

[AtomicKitten]

32. Some need to acknowledge what she did to Kerry first.

I recall defending her bullshit over this and I am just verklempt that I was once so blinded by the Clinton Kool-Aid. This was a clue to us all that we allowed them to sweep under the carpet. No more. This is the stuff the Clintons are made of and it stinks. They need to go away and we will think of them no more. They aren't worth the effort of hating them.

[Cha]

33. I did know and hilary has only

gotten worse since Oct 10, 2002 if anyone cared to notice instead of giving her fucking passes all the time.

[Samantha]

35. Some of us knew this in 2003

when the DLC sent its members out to publicly ask Al Gore NOT TO RUN in 2004. I said at that time (right here) the Clintons ran the DLC, and Hillary could not challenge an incumbent Al Gore in 2008.

It has subsequently not been surprising she has sought to permanently disable Obama, since she might, of course, opt to run in 2012.

[Beacool]

40. Kerry was a loser of a candidate.

I voted for the guy simply because he was the nominee, but knew that he couldn't win against Bush. Unfortunately, I was proven correct.

[eridani]

41. Because Dems were caught up in the same stupid memes as Clinton is now

Gephardt Osama ad against Dean = Clinton Osama ad against Obama
Pumping up Kerry the war hero over and above Kerry the bulldog investigator of corruption, etc.

Luckily, Obama is smashing the "toughness" frame and replacing it with the "good judgment " frame. Instead of backing off when the Repukes did their boogaboogabooga terrorism number, Obama turned it on them and said they were just too cowardly to negotiate. We NEVER beat Rapukes by constantly agreeing with them.

[SoCalDem]

43. Goes back FURTHER.. to Gore v Bush '00

The clintons were noticeably "quiet"..

[Medusa]

46. The Clintons moved Dean to the DNC

so he wouldn't run in '08. The only people who didn't know she'd run in 2008 and that she'd use any means necessary to win or destroy the chances of the nominee so she could run again in 2012 simply wasn't paying close attention.