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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:58 AM
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Hillary's Last Parting Shot
Yes, she will lose the democratic party nomination to Barack Obama. And when the party leaders and the super delegates wrench her and bill's clammy hands from the reins of power that they have come to believe was their personal and political destiny, it will not be a kumbaya moment for the democratic party.

Her parting shot will be the most tepid, lukewarm and insincere show of support in recent political history.

Much will be needed to heal and shore up this party after the departure of the clintons and I'm convinced that they have no intentions of leaving on a happy note. Sure, they will go through some mechanical motions and speak of party unity, but it will be transparently void of real emotion and sincerity.

So, what this all means to me, is that it is up to US to start the healing and to campaign even harder than ever in the few months we have left til the GE. We will have to pick up the slack that the clintons will have left behind.

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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:00 AM
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1. Your post does nothing to promote healing. You only talk about it. nt
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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:09 AM
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4. I should have made myself more clear....
We have a limited amount of time to shore up votes for Obama. I am going after open minded, undecided and independents. Time is too short to waste it on self professed hillary dems that are adamant about not voting for Obama.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:00 AM
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14. I think you've made yourself very clear and I, for one, support you in your effort. . .
We all need to rally around Obama to ensure his victory. Hillary's supporters need to realize that this country cannot survivie another 4 years of McBush policies and if Hillary allows that to happen, she can forget about becoming President in 2012 or EVER!
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:43 AM
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11. Well, your posts of late has done much to promote healing here on DU.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:49 AM
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12. Why don't you make a suggestion on the way to heal and make
nice..how do you want it done other than let hillary win...
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:23 AM
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17. Hillary doesn't want healing, she wants the Party wounded and bloodied in Fall
This is her Party, and we better not forget it.
:sarcasm:
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:36 AM
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20. At least the OP talks about it. Unlike you and your cohorts.
There seems to be NO unity talk coming from you and many other Hillary supporters here.

She has LOST. There is practically no way that she can secure the nomination at this point.
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lisa58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:03 AM
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2. You don't know that...
...in the heat of battle your loyalties are with your candidate - when the battle is over and the dust clears and everyone has their period of mouring it will be a very different landscape.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:08 AM
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3. You start the healing by NOT automatically assuming the worst about people
with whom it would be better not to war with. Being open minded is not naive. Being open minded means being able to consider a full range of possibilities. Wariness is almost always appropriate. I would not ask you to believe the best about Hillary Clinton now, but if you invoke healing in your message, please don't combine that with an anticipatory condemnation of someone for something that hasn't happened yet.
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Hola Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:14 AM
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5. Mitt Romney
The McCain/Huckabee vs. Romney struggle was harsh and bitter. But Romney made the move to make up and be nice when he realized the math wasn't with him. It wasn't McCain saying hope we don't piss of those Romney supporters.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:25 AM
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8. They both did actually. As soon as McCain felt he could officially claim the nominee mantle
...McCain made nice noises about all of his rivals. There is no simple comparison between the Republican and Democratic nomination battles. The Republican battle quickly became much more one sided than the Democratic battle. Momentum swung heavily toward McCain toward the end of the primaries. If anything, Hillary Clinton has done marginally better than Obama in the Democratic primaries since March began (she has won more pledged delegates than he since then anyway). That is a very different scenario. Up until the point where the closing momentum shifted decisively away from him, Romany had been harsh toward McCain.

We will know a lot more in early June about the stances our candidates choose to take.
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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:17 AM
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6. I'm making the "assumption" from the very words...
of some of the hillary supporters that claim they will not vote for Obama or will vote for mccain. I'm not wasting my time or energy on them because time is too limited. I will spend my time on more reasonable, rational democrats, independents and even disillusioned repubs.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:31 AM
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9. Your OP talked more about the Clintons themselves
than about some of her die hard supporters who now say they will not vote for Obama, that is what I was commenting on. And while you may not see it worth your while to attempt to reach out to those supporters, I think it is a very safe bet that Obama will. That should be instructive. There is no one with a greater personal stake in winning the Fall election than Barack Obama. If he shows through his own actions, and how he allocates his time and resourses, that he is trying to pull angry Clinton supporters firmly back into the Democratic fold by Novemeber, will you be willing to rethink your statement?
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:18 AM
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7. I think it's important to hope for the best, but we must be realistic....
about the Clintons.

The only real way we can anticipate what someone will do is to review their past actions, with the more recent actions having more weight than the more distant ones.

I hope many Hillary supporters, after this all settles down, will take another look at Obama and reconsider voting for him. But I think realistically we can expect Hillary to continue her divisive nature and try to keep her supporters stirred up and angry at everybody/everything but Hillary.

I think we will be lucky if she bows out with a tepid response, on two fronts:

1) We will be lucky that she doesn't continue her divisiveness into the GE.

2) We will also be lucky that she doesn't gung-ho endorse Obama because, frankly, at this point it would be like an edorsement from Bush Jr....considering the endorser, not such a good thing. Also, I am hoping that Obama keeps her at arms distance during the GE, minimizing her appearances. The Clintons are good at subtle undermining, and with her history of vindictiveness she could do a lot of damage.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:41 AM
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10. Probably the best thing they could do is get Bubba off of the national stage.
And condemn the racist bullshit that Ferraro has been spewing on Faux Snooze.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:00 AM
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15. You're right, but that's NEVER gonna happen.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:54 AM
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13. I agree that it's up to us, but that's true no matter what the Clintons do.
Edited on Tue May-27-08 09:55 AM by scarletwoman
I think your post was getting at some good thoughts, and I think that moving us in the direction of taking collective and individual responsibility for "healing and shoring up" the Democratic party is an excellent point.

But I don't think it's necessary to pre-judge the Clintons -- I mean, who knows? Maybe they could surprise us. Maybe Obama will surprise us with how he tackles this problem.

Let's see what happens as this all plays out. And in the meantime, get to work with what WE should be doing, regardless of what the big players do.

sw

(edited for spelling)
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:02 AM
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16. The Clintons are not going anywhere,
even if she doesn't win the nomination.
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EmeraldCityGrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:29 AM
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18. These are exciting times for Democrats and especially for the country!
Thank you.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:33 AM
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19. That is exactly the case.Our best way forward.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:38 AM
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21. Maybe she'll just say Obama is likeable enough. It was good enough for him, so why not?
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