Hillary will most likely end up on the ticket. Randi Rhodes made

[ej510]

a very good point about why she would end up as the VP. She sad that the super delegates woud not say no to the Clinton's twice because the Clinons helped most of them make alot of money and gather alot of power. We may not like it but more than likely you will see this happen. And after Obama's speech today in Nevada it makes alot of sense. Will us Obama supporters come around to this possibility? I am not going to pretend. I do not like this one bit... but it's starting to seem inevitable.

[PoliticalAmazon]

1. It ain't gonna happen. Randi is as wrong on this as she was in her initial support of Hillary. n/t

[Liberal In Texas]

86. She didn't support Hillary initially.

Any more than she supported any of the other candidates.

[CJCRANE]

2. Well if Obama can make peace with Hillary

then he truly is a talented diplomat!

BTW what did he say in Nevada?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

3. I think it's going to be Rod Parsley. nt

[Eurobabe]

4. Not .gonna.happen.

No matter what.

[ej510]

10. He talked about how Linoln put all of his most fierce

competitors in his cabinet.

[razorman]

27. The Cabinet is one thing. Putting your chief rival as next in line of succession is another.

If she becomes his VP, I wouldn't sell him any life insurance.

[Eurobabe]

31. Ding, ding, we have a winner

Would you want her 'watching his back?' Fuck no.

[razorman]

39. She is going to undermine him, regardless of her position.

As usual, it will be subtle, with her ostensibly supporting him. However, I believe she will try to cost him the GE, which would give her a chance to run again in 2012. There will be nothing with her fingerprints on it, of course.

[PoliticalAmazon]

Bad for a Cabinet position, too. She can do much damage to undermine...

Obama from a cabinet position. In addition, RWers can again focus on Bill's wayward dick and this time it wouldn't just be Bill's administration that would get slimed--Obama would get slimed by association.

If he chooses Hillary for either Cabinet or VP I would seriously doubt his judgment. He's shown pretty good judgment so far, so I can't see him making a major screwup like bringing Hillary into his administration.

[Name removed]

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[TheDebbieDee]

83. Didn't you know? The Clintons can make all manner of things happen!

The Clintons are capable of accomplishing everything except avoiding impeachment over a BJ and rigging primaries in Hillary's favor..........

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

114. Did Lincoln put John Wilkes Booth in his cabinet

Or did someone in his cabinet of "opposition" put John Wilkes Booth
in that theatre?

[Oceansaway]

5. it's starting to seem inevitable....

thats what they said about Hillary a year ago....

[scarletwoman]

6. Nope. Nice prestigious Cabinet post for her, nice prestigious Ambassadorship for him.

No way will they be on the same ticket, that won't make ANYBODY happy.

sw

[TheDebbieDee]

11. It would make ME happy!

[movonne]

50. but it would not make most of the Obama supporters happy...there

are many reasons that this should not happen..The big one is Bill trying to overshadow Obama..no DLCers for vp.

[Auntie Bush]

101. So Obama is scared of Bill and Hill?

What a man!!!!!!!!

[scarletwoman]

122. Did you read my post? I was talking about a Cabinet post for Hillary & Ambassadorship for Bill.

Not vice president for either of them.

sw

[butterfly77]

70. If it did...

some of you who think you see hate for her now will see something unimaginable, some of her supporters are complaining about what you are hearing on the web you will be surprised what is really out there concerning the clintons.

I really believe that she has a serious mental problem if she thinks this will work. The media always tells us about her supporters you don't realize how much the people are holding back on this nutcase..

[scarletwoman]

123. I'm glad. I don't see why this can't be resolved with everyone's dignity intact.

It's to everyone's advantage. As well as the best thing for the party.

The Clintons do have talents and skills, there's no reason for those skills not to be put to good use, imho.

sw

[Speck Tater]

16. How About HRC, Ambassador to Antartica? NT

[musicblind]

25. why say something negative like that when the poster you responded to has said

nothing negative first?

[scarletwoman]

124. People have a hard time resisting feeding their angry wolf. Thanks for speaking up.

:hi:
sw

[musicblind]

137. I agree and I think a good ambassadorship or some recognition would help

if it is not possible for her to be VP. To be honest I WOULD like to see her as VP and think that would help the ticket, but if it is ultimately decided that she cannot be VP then I will be okay with it as long as it is done for the purpose of helping us win in November (and not for the purpose of revenge). Other good VP candidates are out there. People like John Edwards (imho).

I think in the case that he decides she doesn't help the ticket as VP the best way to show her supporters that there is no ill will in the new administration would be an ambassadorship, or something, as a way of showing that he does respect her supporters and doesn't want to dismiss them off hand. I appreciate that you are willing to show support for such policy of unity. We need to bring everyone together in the end.

:hug:

The one policy of Clinton's, if I had to choose, that I hope and pray Obama will pick up once he is in the White House is her and Edwards health care plan. That is one reason I was happy to see Edwards endorse Obama, because I think it could create a bridge for Edwards to whisper some his health care ideas into Obama's ear. :)

[greguganus]

The penguins would revolt. n/t

[musicblind]

23. It would make me happy :)

and according to polls it would make over half of the democratic party happy.

[tblue37]

110. But it would energize the Republican base, which is otherwise

almsost too dispirited to turn out at all for this elelction.

[scarletwoman]

128. What? A Cabinet post and an Ambassadorship will stir the GOP base?

Did you misunderstand what the post you replied to was "happy" about?

sw

[tblue37]

129. Probably--I was responding to the one about how Hillary on the ticket

would make her supporters happy. Sorry.

I personally would like to see her on the SC. It is a post that would suit her stature, so it wouldn't be perceived as an insult, but one where she would be likely to support our progressive issues, since she wouldn't have to make inappropriate votes (like the IWR and Kyl-Lieberman) just because she doesn't want to look weak for a future campaign.

I think, too, that it would be a relief for her to be able to take such an honorable post and never have to campaign again, especially with her high negatives. And just think, the RW smear machine wouldn't be able to touch her, since it is a lifetime position.

I have lost a lot of respect for her over the way she has campaigned, but I still believe that as a Supreme Court justice she would actively support progressive causes, and with no further need to campaign, she would be able to follow her better instincts rather than fighting dirty to win, win, win.

[scarletwoman]

132. I like your argument for the Supreme Court position quite a bit, actually.

It makes alot of sense, and I would hope the Senate would be gracious enough to let her through the confirmation process with no fuss -- although I suppose the GOPers would pitch a fit.

All the more reason for her and her supporters to work their butts off not just for a Dem president but for more Dem Congresspersons, too.

sw

[scarletwoman]

126. Sounds like kind of good idea then, don't you think?

:D
sw

[razorman]

46. I bet he would choose to be ambassador to Holland.

That would give him full run of Amsterdam on the government's dime. Party city.

[cbayer]

103. It would make me very happy.

And all the polls I have seen on this issue indicate it would make the majority of Democratic voters happy.

[tblue37]

109. maybe he could put her on the SC. Wouldn't that make Right Wing hesds explode? n/t

[Arrowhead2k1]

7. It's not up to the Superdelegates as to who's VP.

[tritsofme]

18. You're right, it is up to all delegates to determine who becomes VP, not just SDs.

nt

[cbayer]

104. And just under half of those delegates are pledged to Clinton. nt.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

73. Edit. Answer Already Posted.

[WA98296]

8. There are those of us who will not vote for her as part of any ticket.

Not looking for anyone to change my mind, I felt that way since long before she even announced that she was running. Yes, I would rather suffer through another actual Republican administration if that is what it takes for the U.S. to wake up to DINOs as well as the GOP.

I'm not going to be bullied by her, so I would rather vote third party.

I know it does the party no good, but neither does DLC.

[WA98296]

13. One more thing, Hartmann is going down that road too -- they are trying to SOFTEN US to the idea.

It won't work with me, not now, not ever.

[PoliticalAmazon]

113. Not me, either. I'm very disappointed in Hartmann--after Hillary brought up....

assassination, and after the Clintons insulted Obama supporters (especially the African-Americans), he wants Hillary on the ticket?

No. No. No.

Obama will lose my vote if he does.

[rucky]

14. Great, more "McCain Democrats"

:eyes:

[ima_sinnic]

I feel that exact same way--she is a neocon, a liar, a manipulative inflluence peddler

I would instantly lose all respect for Obama and just could not vote for that. She is just too wrong, for me and for the country, and would drag the ticket down to the pigsty level. I'd make a point of voting Democratic on all down-ticket races and writing in Kucinich for president.

[greguganus]

34. I feel the same way as you. I will write Kucinich in and vote dem down-ticket. n/t

[Bake]

63. So you're not a Democrat either, I see...

They're starting to drop like flies ...

Bake

[ima_sinnic]

82. I'm a Democrat, but not a slave to it. Hillary is no "Democrat" (nt)

--let her be McCain's VP--she thinks he's so much better, and they're much more suitable for each other: they both appeal to hard-working white low-info voters.

I vote by candidate, not by party. The republicans have never run anybody I ever agreed with or wanted to vote for in the slightest.

[Bake]

87. So you might as well go ahead and change your avatar

Let me make sure I've got this right: you won't vote for YOUR OWN CANDIDATE, of your own (sic) party if you don't approve of his choice for VP (the office which isn't worth the proverbial bucket of warm spit). I'm sure your candidate finds your support comforting.

Bake

[ima_sinnic]

100. blah blah blah, whatever. bitter much? "my own" candidate is not my ruler, either

it doesn't have anything to do with "not approving of his choice for VP" (which wouldn't even be his choice, by the way, because the only way he would choose that would be to have it FORCED on him). I just couldn't vote for that thing, that pathetic train wreck known as the Clintons. I would know the ONLY reason she's on the ticket is because she's a cheating, conniving, scheming sack of shit who "pulled strings," threw a hissy fit, bribed, threatened, and was generally an asshole to get there.

If the office of VP "isn't worth the proverbial bucket of warm spit" why the fuck do you care so very very much about Duchess Clinton being granted it, like the booby prize?

[Bake]

138. I don't give two shits whether she's on the ticket

I'm just amused as hell at the hyposcrisy of the Obama people here!

:rofl:

Bake

[Bake]

62. So you're NOT a Democrat ...

Just keeping score here ...

Bake

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

75. Dumb.

[Richard Steele]

9. "starting to seem inevitable". ROFL! nm

[rucky]

12. We may as well get used to it now.

So we won't be surprised if/when it happens.

[butterfly77]

28. I don't think so...

[rucky]

33. Just trying to cover all the bases, here.

no freak-outs if it happens

[panAmerican]

15. Nope; Obama sans Clinton for me.

[AtomicKitten]

17. Not after she invoked racism and assassination in this campaign.

Not.Gonna.Happen

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

77. She Never Invoked Assassination.

And Obama invoked racism long before Hillary.

[AtomicKitten]

98. riiiiiiight! if you don't count the words that come out of her own mouth!!!

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

19. Randi is wrong and misguided.

The SD's don't owe nothing to the Clintons because they won't be in power anymore. Unless the Clintons have some dirt on the SD's, I don't think they'll bow to the Clintons. They are being cautious because they don't want to appear to be delegitimizing the nomination.

Every presidential nominee reserves the right to choose their VP running mate. It shouldn't be any different from any other candidate.

[tritsofme]

21. Most candidates walk into the room with enough delegates to control the Convention.

Mr. Obama will not.

That's why the situation is different.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

43. How is it different? He's only 48 delegates short. And the SD's are coming...

Believe that, darling... ;)

[mountainvue]

91. Obama can't win the GE without Hillary's

voting block: middle aged and senior white women, blue collar workers, GL, Catholics and Jews.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

121. O.K., I'll bite and take these in turn...

1. Blue collar vote - Fact: no Democrat since Lyndon Johnson has won this vote. Those voters are likely to go to McCain.
2. White, middle-aged women - Fact: once they realize that McCain doesn't support women's right to choose, they'll come home. But really, I'm not convinced that he's not going to get a sizable majority of that demographic. And in fact, he has been doing better since OH with that particular demographic.
3. Jews - Fact: Dems have always won between 75-80% of the Jewish vote. Obama will receive the majority of the Jewish vote. I'm convinced that they'll come home and definitely not support McCain.
4. Gays & Lesbians - Fact: I don't see any polls that suggest or imply that this community won't support Obama. I thought it was mighty brave of him to denounce homophobia in black churches. He's been endorsed my some major GL publications. GL will come home in November.
5. Catholics - Fact: even John Kerry lost the Catholic vote. Obama has been doing better with this demographic since OH.

If Hillary is the nominee, here are the groups that she cannot win that Obama can:

1. Blacks - Fact: NO DEMOCRAT CAN WIN WITHOUT THIS CRITICAL GROUP!!
2. Young and New Voters - Fact: What Obama loses in the senior vote, he gains among young and new voters who are energized, fired up and ready to go..
3. Disaffected Republicans - Fact: They call themselves Obamacans and they are on board, life-long Republicans, many of them conservatives who are disillusioned with the current crop of Repugs but will go home if Hillary Clinton is anywhere near the Democratic ticket.
4. Independent voters - Fact: I am one of these Indies who now have a reason to support Democrats. Obama is winning over Indies by a good margin over McCain. Many Indies are Republican-leaning. If Hillary is anywhere near the Dem ticket, they will support McCain, stay home, or perhaps support the Libertarian Bob Barr. (Maybe even Ron Paul which is still not good news for McCain.)
5. Swing states - Fact: Obama's 50-state strategy has much a slew of swing states into play or have turned otherwise Red states like VA and NC to Purple. I am a firm believer that where Obama is weak in OH he more than makes up for it in other states like CO and NM, and many states in the South!!

[Independent-Voter]

20. There's no way in hell that Veruca ends up on the ticket. None

I invite anyone who thinks otherwise to put their money where their ignorant mouth is.

http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/contractSearch/

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

22. That would be a deal breaker for me.

The best thing about Obama is that he's not a Clinton. Putting her on the ticket would remove the best reason I have for voting for him.

[musicblind]

32. THAT'S your reason for voting for Obama? You hate for Clinton?

I can think of a lot better reasons to vote for him than that.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

40. I don't "hate" the Clintons...more like massive contempt.

And, that is the main reason I'll be voting for him.

That, and the possibility, that he may actually not brush off the left once he's elected.

[ieoeja]

57. What if Obama has no choice?

Remember, the *convention* decides the vice presidential nominee. If Hillary gets enough super delegates to side with her being the vice presidential nominee, then she will be whether Obama wants her or not.

In that event the best thing Obama can do is pretend it was his idea all along. If he publicly admits it was forced on him, swing voters will see him as too weak (re: Dole vs RNC, 1996).

In that event you will have to make a decision to vote for Obama or not without knowing whether Hillary was forced on Obama or not.

I don't like it either.

But I don't think it is critical enough for Obama to turn down the nomination if she is forced upon him. We had a LaRouchian win the Lt Governor nomination in a stealth campaign in Illinois one year prompting the Democratic nominee for Governor to spend the election actually campaigning for the Republican. But people know LaRouche is a nutbag. The Clintons are not nutbags. Stealth Republicans, perhaps. But most Democrats don't believe even that.

And once elected the vice president has one and only one constitutional power: casting tie-breaking votes in the Senate. Beyond that the VP is allowed to do only what the President permits her. Obama could spend the next 8 years forcing her to remain in an undisclosed location. For her protection, of course.

Or if she didn't want to be so overly protected, he could always let her spend the next 8 years in Afghanistan overseeing our interests there.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

64. I find it hard to believe that the delegates would foist Clinton on Obama if he resisted.

If they did, or if Obama gave in, then I would vote for a candidate on the ballot that I agree with or write one in.

[ieoeja]

74. It might take a LOT of resistance.

If Obama said he would quit the race rather than have the Clintons on the ticket then, yes, they would back down. But you know the Clintons would go public with that costing Obama millions of votes from their diehard supporters. That would almost certainly guarantee a McCain victory.

Not sure anything short of that level of resistance would work. Politics at this level is all about who attended whose daughter's graduation ceremony, etc. In that regard, Obama is a newcomer with fewer such contacts.

On the other hand, according to everything I have ever read, the Clintons have never been very well liked by the Democratic Party establishment. Respected for winning. But not liked. So it might not take that much resistance.

In other words, none of us have a clue.

Sorry to see you'd give up on Obama if Clinton was forced on the ticket. Personally, I kinda like the thought of her rotting away in some undisclosed location the next 8 years.

[billyoc]

111. He could threaten to decline the nomination. Checkmate.

The SD's would shit their collective pants.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

67. Again, I don't think this will happen. I can't imagine the delegates going against

what their new Democratic leader wants. If he chooses a running mate and they go against this choice, that would be chaotic! It's not going to happen. Plus, the supers are smart; they have witnessed the Clintons being the Clintons, know and understand that they are polarizing and divisive.

[Bake]

65. Yet another non-Democrat for Obama ...

You're really outing yourselves today.

Bake

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

66. I've been a Democrat since 1966.

How about you?

[Bake]

78. You're the one who said you won't support the Democratic nominee

The Obama Nazis have been all over the board saying if HRC supporters won't vote for the eventual nominee (i.e., Obama), then they're not real Democrats.

Kinda funny now, how many of you won't support you're own candidate if Hillary is even on the ticket!

And I've been a Democrat for a good long time. Thirty-five years or so, at least, and I don't remember ever missing voting in an election.

Bake

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

80. Describe a "real" Democrat.

Thomas Jefferson?

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all." --Thomas Jefferson to Francis Hopkinson, 1789.

"Were parties here divided merely by a greediness for office,...to take a part with either would be unworthy of a reasonable or moral man." --Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1795.

[Bake]

81. Then you're in good company.

Besides, it's so much easier to gripe than to govern.

Buh-bye.

Bake

[frylock]

89. since you're keeping track, put me on that list as well

[Bake]

92. Will you be leaving DU if BHO/HRC is the ticket?

Bake

[frylock]

93. no, but i won't vote for a clinton ticket. period.

i've been here for 5 years. i'm not goin anywhere.

[butterfly77]

24. We do not need that ...

look at all of the problems she has brought to the primaries, I heard Thom Hartmann say this she will do nothing to bring people together and I will never forget what she and her hubby have done. I believe if he chooses her their will be a lot of infighting from day one. She will begin with wanting her healthcare plan no matter what and if she doesn't get it the way she wants she will begin her sabatoging. Even if she gets the plan the way she wants she and Bill will try to take over. No,no,no,no,no,no,no,no....

[zulchzulu]

26. Sir, would you like a pile of dogshit on your steak....

Here, let me pour some drano in your salad.

[razorman]

44. It would be nice to have some steak with my dogshit once in a while, at least.

[styersc]

29. Obama does not need Hillary or her 17 million votes.

All Hillary supporters are bigots and latent assassins. DU poster "FrenchieCat" even spent most of Memorial Day explaining to me how Hillary supporters are poorly educated, mentally addled inferiors.

Sen Obama should not seek or receive their support.

[butterfly77]

42. I agree...

we have most of the young people,new voters,and independents plus the real dems...

[AtomicKitten]

48. the Operation Chaos voters included in that "17 million" will be voting GOP anyway

[styersc]

97. When you say "Real Dems" I hope that we aren't counting

those hicks in California, Pennsylvania, Indiana, West Virginia etc who would dare to express a preference for HIllary. Obama certainly doesn't want anything to do with that inbred rabble.

[cbayer]

105. The poster you are replying to forgot the sarcasm thingy.

Probably didn't think s/he needed it, but apparently s/he did.

[cherokeeprogressive]

112. Absolutely Correct. Those 17 Million Votes are Water Under the Bridge.

They don't exist any longer. They've long since been cast and counted. It's not like she has boxes full of ballots to pour into ballot boxes. Get it?

The large majority of them will vote for whoever the Dem candidate is once Obama wins it.

[Bensthename]

30. We do not want Hill and Bill F'ing up Obama's campaign like they did theirs. NO WAY.

[AngryOldDem]

35. When was it said that the party owed her and Bill anything?

Can we really trust her after this primary season?

Jack Cafferty's Situation Room question today is, What should HRC do now?

My answer? Simple: Just go away. She's done enough.

[pbca]

36. Not going to happen. The Clinton's are Done

The GOP hated them in 92
Independents hated them by 2000
A good chunk of the Dems hate them now

They should move to Ireland. The Irish still love them. They can I dunno...write books or something

[Name removed]

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[TBF]

38. She wouldn't be my favorite choice, but if he thinks it's the way to go, I trust him.

I've come around. I was so angry after the Texas primary that I was ready to vote for Nader if Hillary won. But we have to be realistic. Beating McCain is the only priority - dems must band together and I am ready to compromise if necessary.

I even cleared out my ignore list (brave!), and I'm ready to listen to reasonable arguments from both sides.

[Crunchy Frog]

58. The thesis of the OP is that it won't be his choice;

that she will be using the SD's to force herself upon the ticket, presumably against his own better judgement. Therefore it's not a question of trusting him at all. I could only give the absolute minimum of support for that sort of ticket.

[TBF]

95. Ah, I see. No, against Obama's wishes would not carry good will.

[ericgtr]

41. Cool.. Take it and send her ass on several goodwill missions

keep her out of our hair.

[Why Syzygy]

45. I will never vote Democrat again. Bunch of phonies ...

[wvbygod]

47. Randi is good for a laugh or disgust at times but she is no more human than we

People love a good smear campaign and sometimes they like honest unity. Neither
can exist in a vacuum without a giant sucking sound when logic and emotion enters.
In the end it's not what you take to the bank as much as what you take away from it all.

[dailykoff]

49. You bet. A one-way ticket to Palookaville.

Buh bye Hillry! :hi:

[rox63]

51. Nope, I can't see it

I can see her getting offered a cabinet position (maybe HHS?), and Bill maybe getting Ambassador to the UN. But he'd be a fool to pick her as his running mate. I can maybe see him picking a Hillary-supporter as his running mate. (Gen Clark, anyone?)

[woolldog]

52. No. It won't happen.

Especially after Clinton revealing her assassination fantasies.

[alwysdrunk]

53. Impossible

It'd impossible. You can't have a second in command who will admit that they think they know WAY better than you. That will admit that you aren't fit for your job?

[stillcool]

54. No way...it's the kiss of death..

for Obama..one way or another.

[Crunchy Frog]

55. With what happened in the 2000 election

this party simply can't afford to force a piece of dead weight who will undermine the ticket on Obama. If this happens, I'll continue to support Obama, but I'm through with the fucking party that cares more about political favors than about winning in November and effective governing. Fuck them.

[Cha]

56. Well, she's wrong..think Assassination comment

number 3 or 4..

snip>

"Yet the assassination reference wasn't Clinton's only mistake. In the same breath, she maintained that her husband had not wrapped up the nomination until June. In truth, he did so in March with the Illinois primary. While California made his victory a mathematical fact, the outcome had not been in doubt for months."

<snip>

"In the current tempest over what Clinton said — and what she meant — the calendar may be the real culprit. She made a similar remark about the 1968 Kennedy assassination in March that received little notice then, probably because there were still plenty of state contests left and more uncertainty as to who would come out ahead.

Now, the longer the nomination race goes on, the more people are asking Clinton why she continues to campaign."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080524/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_remark

So how many times has hilary said this talking point of hers about RFK's assassination in June?

No Randi Rhodes hilary is not going to be on an Obama ticket..get over it.

[jaysunb]

59. Dream on. Randi and all others. n/t

[Mike L]

61. So BO will cave in to superdelegates' extortion? em

[Bake]

68. He might, since THEY have the power to determine the nominee.

I'd think he'd certainly hear them out.

Bake

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

79. It's Not Up To BO. n/t

[remember2000forever]

69. I Love Randi But......

This would be "Politics As Usual". Isn't the reason we like Obama is because he is NOT "Politics as usual"?

[JuniperLea]

71. The nastier the divide... the more likely this will come to pass...

There will come a point that is necessary, if all this bullshit in-fighting keeps up. The only thing dividing the party is the whiners... and theirs will be a sad, sad day when we see Obama and Clinton side by side.

I don't care... I can't really stand either of them anymore. The only thing I know is they are better than McCain.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

72. I've Said Very Much The Same Thing. If She Wants It, If She Demands It, It's Hers.

Too many here will let their emotions guide their responses though rather than their intellect, so you're bound to get much argument much like I did when I posted the same.

[mudesi]

119. You've already been proved wrong

Because she already has asked, and Obama has already said no.

Educate yourself!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

131. Oy Vey.

First of all, got proof that actually took place?

Second of all, it doesn't have to be up to Obama at all if she demands it. If she demands it, and brings the case to the delegates, then there is an incredibly high likelihood that she'd get it. Deal with that.

[backscatter712]

76. The Bunny Boiler just won't be a net positive for Obama.

After all the crap she shoveled at Obama this primary season, Obama would be crazy to take her as his running mate...

[CakeGrrl]

84. Obama won't let Ms. "Subliminal Assassination Meme" on his ticket. He's not dumb.

I mean really...would you put yourself in the position as the only thing standing between the "Anything can happen"/"Take it to the convention"/move-the-goalposts-at-every-opportunity Clinton crew and the White House?

I wouldn't.

[blonndee]

85. I certainly hope not.

I would be very disappointed in Obama if he associated himself so closely with them and their lying, scheming ways.

[derby378]

88. Two words: HIGH NEGATIVES

It's true that Clinton could bring in her base to vote for the Democratic ticket, but she could just as easily be a millstone around Obama's neck, dragging him down into the depths of Lake McCain.

What to do, what to do...?

[Orangepeel]

90. As Obama says, he's a practical minded guy

if he thinks that he has to put her on the ticket to win, he will and then take steps to manage her, her roll, and Bill's role as best as he can.

Maybe he'll send her on an eight year around the world good will tour.

[Bright Eyes]

94. I would hate the idea.

But if it happens, a Obama/Clinton is better then 4 years of McCain.

[JVS]

96. 2 points

1. The Clintons no longer seem able to make money. Instead they bleed money.

2. By making her VP they open the possibility of "payback" for the first saying no.

[ej510]

99. It makes me sick to my stomach. Thinking about her fuckin up the ticket

and killing his message. You can see McCain mentioning. Quote even your running mate thinks I am more qualified than you.

[Auntie Bush]

102. God damn it!

Stop twisting her words! SHE SAID MORE EXPERIENCE...NOT MORE QUALIFIED!
Or can't you tell the difference between the two words? Look them up in the dictionary! She was just stating the truth but as usual you shoot the messenger.

Do you really think Obama's experience in the community is more than McCain's 5 years in a prison camp? Does Obama have more experience than a 71 year old man? Think about it! Is his 2 years in the Senate more experience than McCain's 30+ years? Both Hillary and McCain have more experience than Obama!

[cui bono]

116. She also said all he has is a speech. I think that adds up to less qualified.

Don't you? Really.

[stillcool]

134. Why do you....

discount Obama's experience in the Illinois Senate? Are you only interested in experience as it relates in proximity to the White House? How is the experience of a prisoner of war an asset to leading a nation? Especially when that person now condones torture? I know a few 71 year old men, and their experience does not make them presidential material. Don't even get me started on Hillary's "experience". I think we've all learned what a crock that is.

[cbayer]

106. It's a great idea.

Despite all the ranting and raving here, by posters who are so shallow they would abandon their own candidate, I have NEVER heard Obama say anything to indicate that he would object to this. I do not believe he is a Clinton hater and I think they would make a great team.

[merh]

117. Aren't you one of the folks that damned Rhodes for her stand up

routine? Why are you know applauding her prediction? :eyes:

Some times you guys make no sense, you'd think you would keep score cards or something. :crazy:

[cbayer]

118. I don't know who "you guys" are.

I never said a word about Rhodes. In fact, I have never even heard her speak and wouldn't recognize her if she came to my door.

Also, I am not applauding anybody's prediction. I have been a supporter of a unified ticked from the start.

You must have me confused with someone else.

[Maraya1969]

107. I think we should be open and willing to any tactics that get us into the White

House because the good of the country should be bigger than any hurt feelings that we have. Remember that the President is the one who appoint leaders to such significant jobs as FEMA. We want a president that will not hire his friends but hire the best person for the job.

And there are so many jobs that need to be filled, (like Attorney General...remember Gonzales and that mess) with people that have a heart we should not allow any hurt feelings or bad tastes to temper our thoughts.

If Hillary as VP can get us into the white house I say "YES" because job number 1 is get into the white house.

[tblue37]

108. After her Friday remark, no matter how one takes it, I don't see how she could be.

If she became VP and something happened to Obama, she would immediately be suspected as being involved, especially since there is a lot of suspicion that LBJ had some connection to JFK's assassination.

[cui bono]

115. No. He CANNOT pick her and keep his legitimacy.

She embodies everything he is wanting to change. It goes against his whole platform. Not to mention all the other stuff. No, she will poison the ticket.

[Neshanic]

120. Who else you gonna get. Richardson? That's a real prize.

[CaptJasHook]

125. Superdelegates like Bill Richardson? Ted Kennedy? john Kerry?

John Edwards? etc., etc.

I love Rhandi, but keep in mind she is a shock jock.

[Samantha]

127. Regardless of who says what, the choice of Number Two

belongs solely to the nominee.

[Erin Elizabeth]

130. LOL, I saw this very same theoretical situation floated here

a while back by a DUer whom I think is now gone. It's a theory that won't work in reality.

[NorthCarolina]

133. They might try, but I don't think Obama will go along with it

at least I hope he doesn't. Would kind of kill the idea of running on a theme for "change" which is the most attractive thing about his campaign. Besides, Hillary is a DLC member and I don't think the Dem. base would support a DLC Dem.

[highplainsdem]

135. Rassmussen poll results released on 5/23 show why Obama needs HRC on the ticket if

he wants to win the GE.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6153756

23% of all Dems -- all of them, not just HRC supporters -- think it's Obama who should drop out. That's a smaller percentage than those who think HRC should drop out, but it's still significant.

29% of all Dems, according to an earlier poll, think HRC should run as an independent if she isn't the Dem nominee.

46% of all Dems think HRC would be the stronger candidate in the GE, versus 44% who think Obama will be the stronger candidate.

Obama really can't afford to ignore the support for Hillary. Not if he wants to win in November.

[Beacool]

136. It would be the only way that I would vote for Obama.

:shrug: