is anyone watching Chris Matthews: wtf is wrong with Joan Walsh?

[BklynChick]

She looks personally pained that anyone would insinute that Hillary's comments were in any way "coded" or offended people. She's blaming the potential division of the Democratic party on people "who are making the Clintons out to be monsters."

What the hell is her problem?

[K Gardner]

1. I was just getting ready to post an OP called: "WALSH HAS MELTDOWN ON HARDBALL"... she is

absolutely unhinged.. ROFL.. I thought I was watching a video of Hillarites on DU !

[BeyondGeography]

9. I was waiting for her to start screaming

"WE'LL SHOW YOU IN NOVEMBER WHO WAS WRONG TO MESS WITH THE CLINTONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[DeschutesRiver]

77. No kidding

I saw it, and thought "have I ever heard her go off like this before?" She was totally offended about how people were treating both of the Clintons, as though there were no room for any interpretation other than theirs on this issue. I think at one point she even got uppity about people treating a former president this way. I remember thinking, so much for a democracy with the Clintons on board - it just felt like "don't treat the monarchy this way - how dare you."

The guy with the talk radio show specifically said that his callers were angry and upset from the minute they heard Clinton say this - he was getting tons of calls on it. At which point, Joan was so wierd acting that she thought he was giving his opinion on the statement and wanting to fight with him over "his" opinion of Hill's statement. He had to repeat that her argument was with his callers, as he was just relating what the public thought of this crap. Yeah, how dare the public not accept Hillary's version of what she meant or said.

[Connie_Corleone]

2. What pisses me off is that Hillary gets the benefit of the doubt.

They jumped all over Obama for the whole "bitter" comment, but they come up with every excuse in the book to defend Hillary.

[floridablue]

3. What was the guys name ?L?

Joe Madden/Madison ? I didn't catch it. What I did catch is that in my opion he is a complete ass and is so desperate the Obama campaign might not win he was overplaying the race card.

[K Gardner]

4. Madison.. he's a radio talk show host, regular guest. You sound like Joan Walsh !

[BklynChick]

5. I don't think he sounded like an ass. He was merely pointing out how many people took those comment

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

64. Joe Madison was recounting what thousands of listeners have emailed him

its called email.

The Clinton campaign has lost the black vote. LOST IT.

A democrat cannot be elected without the black vote.

She also faces trouble when she returns to New York.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

6. Maybe because she has a valid point? It pains me every day to

hear the hateful things some of my fellow Democrats say about the Clintons. They aren't monsters, they are fine people, who have many years of service to this country. Now because of the primaries she is the Devil incarnated.

The other side refuses to admit that her assassination comment was way overblown and taken out of context but since it just plays into their idea of Hillary and Bill Clinton and all is fair in love and politics they took it and ran. And ran and ran and ran. At this point they don't care what the truth is, just skew it and use it.

Obama is a fine candidate. I don't like to read or hear ugly names about either person or their supporters but some people just can't let go of the nastiness.

[madfloridian]

17. The Clintons have done it to themselves by words and actions

in this campaign. They have brought it on themselves

[Kahuna]

26. I see the Clintons as immoral. Depends on what the meaning of "fine people"

is.

[Medusa]

73. try ammoral

they don't have limits. Lying, cheating, etc., it's all within the game plan for them.

[wileedog]

29. No, they are not monsters

They are human. But we never saw that side as raw as we have seen it this election. We have never seen them losing, and that is when people like them are at their worst. And it jars that much more with the better memories of the past.

[Beacool]

90. Hear, hear!!!!!!

Leave it to the vultures in the media and the Obama gang to take Hillary's comments out of context and to state that what she was really saying was that she was hanging on just in case someone killed Obama. The world does NOT revolve around the new Messiah and Hillary was talking about the time line of the primary season and how they had previously gone all the way to June before a candidate clinched the nomination. That's all!!!

:crazy:

[Auntie Bush]

7. The problem is that she knows what's she's talking about...how refreshing!

Someone with some common sense! That other guy is a damn fool and another Obama shill, exaggerator, bias twister of words and lier. I'm damn angry at him! Hey all you Obama supporters if the crap doesn't stop I'm out of politics for my own health and out of the whole sickening Democratic party!

[ClassWarrior]

18. You mean crap like calling someone a "damn fool and another Obama shill, exaggerator..."

"...bias twister of words and lier?"

If you want it to stop, stop.

NGU.

[Auntie Bush]

37. First the record has to be set straight as Hillary supporters have been

to quiet. I'm tired of holding my tongue. I'm going to release some anger while I'm still allowed...time is running out!

[Doityourself]

54. Set yourself free and on fire...there's still time to get it all out..before you get the granite!

[Auntie Bush]

63. I'm not planning on getting the granite cookie...wouldn't give you the pleasure.

This isn't Obacratic Underground yet! As long as we are having a primary I can say want I want about Obama! Haven't his supporters said what they want about Hillary...even lies? Why don't you alert the mods? I know... why...because you are full of yourself and you know what you are made of.

[Doityourself]

68. Guess, you didn't read the rules huh? Once we have a nominee, you can't say what you want about

Obama. In fact, you can't even do that now. Try and see how fast you eat that rock pizza without cheese or sauce. As far as me getting pleasure out of you biting it, well let's just say, I get pleasure out of knowing, in a short time, this will be over and Obama will be the nominee. That's all that matters, really.

Bottom line: I don't care who you vote for or if you leave the party. It's your life and your death, plan your wedding and/or funeral as you please. Have fun doing it.

Yes. Yes. I'm full of myself..ain't life grand, Chicaletta!

[Auntie Bush]

75. Haven't you been watching the primaries on TV? We don't have a nominee yet...

That's why Hillary is still campaigning. If you can dish out shit at a fellow nominee...I can at least express my displeasure. Since when have the rules been enforced around here anyway?

The discussion of the possibility of Hillary supporters not voting for Obama is part of the news cycle, the campaign and my life. Six of my family members won't vote for Obama because of the misogynistic way Hillary has been treated. Now that's scary!

[Doityourself]

79. I said "once will have a nominee" ..I didn't say he was...go back and read it!

Those that don't want to vote for Obama for whatever reason, so be it. Their life. Their choice.

Guess what? Life goes on. It won't end on November 5th..if he isn't elected President.

Btw, I don't consider it scary, it's just the way the ball bounces. They won't vote for Obama because she was treated in such misogynistic way. Black people won't vote for Clinton because of the racist games played by the Clintons..blah blah blah.. Either you win or you lose, doesn't matter how its sliced or how its baked.

If the Democratic nominee loses, then all Dems lose..but if you and your clan are leaving the party, it's not your concern anyway, right?

[Flying Dream Blues]

65. Hillary supporters have been too quiet? Now, that's rich. nt

[rodeodance]

88. sure sounds like many Obama fans here on DU.

[Doityourself]

52. bye! I'm sick of the threats...get gone then..sheesh

[Auntie Bush]

69. Too bad you don't realize what's going on in the real world.

Six members of my immediate family are leaving the Democratic party.
Good luck in winning the GE without Hillary supporters. Not going to happen! You're going crying for the next 8 years if you don't shape up an smell the roses.

[Doityourself]

70. Actually,

I'll be fine..I'm one of those that did very well financially under Bush. I prospered like a rose and will continue to do well, no matter who the president is..but..you and your clan go on and leave, plenty of people to replace you. I've registered...250 new Dem voters since February..so..there's someone to fill your clans vacancy. Sorry to disappoint you, but there are and will be no tears here.

Btw, you can't speak for all Hill supporters, though you would like to..I know a few that plan to vote for Obama without pause, some work for me, others are in my own family. They realize what's at stake and aren't whining or pouting like some of Hillary's self-involved, self-absorbed supporters.

Oh and tell your peeps I said thank you for leaving..wouldn't want non-Dems to stay where they don't belong.

La Babama

[Auntie Bush]

80. You just don't get it. It's as plain as the nose on your face. You'd see if if you'd

take your head out of the sand long enough to breath.

My peeps...as you call them...ARE LIFELONG DEMOCRATS! That's the problem!
Face it! We have a problem in this party if it isn't united and includes Hillary...the one with the most popular votes...just like Gore. If we don't unite the party...we lose! That's what I'm trying to say. You people love Obama so much...you're blinded by his light and you can't understand that everyone doesn't. News flash! Half this nation loves Hillary! If YOU were a true Democratic, loved this country and cared about our future...you would be happy to have Hillary on the ticket...she's powerful and she's a fighter. If she had lost the election in 04 like Kerry...you can bet she wouldn't have given up so easily.

Obamaites need a necessary wake up warning!

[Doityourself]

84. Yeah Yeah,.. As I said

there are plenty of Hillary supporters willing to vote for Obama. If you think the 17 million people that voted for her will all defect, then you have a defect. I don't care for Hillary or Bill, and I don't want her on the ticket. That's my view and my feelings, and I'm entitled, even if it turns out differently. If that bothers you, or anyone else, oh well C'est La Vie.

Your family can do as they please, as can you and anyone else, we live in a country which allows freedom of choice. Exercise it.

Btw, I'm no Obamaite..I first supported Richardson and then Edwards, so take your assumptions, pour a glass of wine and have a good meal.

I will say this again. If Obama isn't elected the president, life will go and I'll be just fine, and the country will survive. If you and your clan want to vote for McCain, or not vote for Obama, it's your life, your choice. It's not the end of the world, nor will God come down and strike you dead. You will survive too, but please, do not dwell where you are not happy. Life's too short.

[rox63]

91. Then for the sake of unity, Hillary and her supporters should stop the divisive tactics

and get behind our presumptive nominee.

[Robyn66]

76. No the young women of this country will cry

if you and others leave the party and back John McCain because Roe v Wade will be reversed. John McCain has pledged to appoint conservative judges to the Supreme Court. But then those are just womens issues right? Its much better to be mad because your candidate didn't win.

[Doityourself]

85. They are not concerned with such things...they are so caught up in Hillary and her supposed

mistreatment.

[murray hill farm]

8. I know!

It is such an foolish argument that Hillary "did not mention Obama....was not referring to Obama" etc. It is very simple...there are only two candidates at this point....she was saying one of the reasons she was staying in the race even though she is losing is because "remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated" etc. and then she tries to spin it that she was not talking about Obama, just making a historical reference. Well Ok then, it was a poor choice of historical references...but she most certainly was referencing her present...and only competition. The semantics of twisting this are insulting. We all know just exactly what she meant. She was staying in the race in case "something" took Obama out of the race so she could get it as default...and she used a historical reference of assassination to reference her point.

[islandmkl]

13. right there with jr. 'not talking about Obama' in israel...

[rufus dog]

23. touche

It is fucking frightening isn't it? Change the names from Bush to Clinton and the defense by the supportes seems to be the same.

It is always someone elses fault!

[Nedsdag]

10. She's so up Hillary's behind, she can taste the feces.

[BobbyVan]

12. Typical Obama nastiness. How sad that only Clinton supporters are taken to task around here.

[SoonerPride]

16. Always the victim. So sad.

Front runneritis.

$109 million.
Famous last name.

[Nedsdag]

28. She has NEVER criticized Hillary.

Read Salon.com.

[Auntie Bush]

34. You are a tyical O S throwing feces at a fellow democrat.

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[gabeana]

21. Obama supporters are Fringe?

so Obama really is a muslim? and he took his oath for Senate on the Koran

jeez since I am on the fringe as an Obama supporter according to you, I thought the above statements were not true, then in reality they are.

[TwilightGardener]

14. Walsh is a very pro-Hillary person. You have to take Salon with a grain of salt anymore.

[andres hunter]

82. Being "a very pro-Obama" person does not seem to bother people here

Olbermann...Naderite Ehrenreich, Arianna Huffington, Eugene Robinson, etc., are all "very pro-Obama persons", yet they are praised on a daily basis here.

you make it seem as if there's a problem with being biased. No. the problem here is with people being pro-Hillary.

[madfloridian]

15. Joan Walsh sold much of her credibility for unquestioning support of Hillary

as have so many others.

[carolinayellowdog]

78. She has lost my subscription-- including 2 gift subs

I have tried to be patient but the whoring has gotten unbearable

[Shakespeare]

19. Joan's a hardcore Hillary supporter, and she's run Salon with that slant for the past year.

I've been a loyal Salon reader since 1998, and a subscriber since they first started the pay-for option around 2001, but I'm THIS close to unsubscribing. It's not just anti-Obama, either--they were hideous to Edwards before he dropped out.

I'm extremely disappointed in Joan.

[dendrobium]

24. The Salon letters page is the best part

Joan Walsh has been flogging Jeremiah Wright and other race "concerns" for a while now. The best part is reading the letters in response to her concern trolling.

I have read Salon for years but it has really gone off the rails this Primary season.

[Shakespeare]

25. I've missed David Talbot SO MUCH this past year.

Joan's showing herself not to be half the editor-in-chief that Talbot was.

[Berry Cool]

48. Have you seen the Salon parody site?

http://salonparody.blogspot.com/2008_05_01_archive.html

It was created by people sick of how in the tank Joan Walsh is for Hillary, and pokes fun at all of Salon for having gone downhill as a result. Pretty funny.

I still think Glenn Greenwald is great, but then again, he doesn't make every other column about how this, that or the other thing is going to "hurt" Obama, or how sexist the latest complaint about Hillary is.

[Shakespeare]

50. I realized how stark the difference is when Talbot did a guest piece about a week ago.

I realized, "aaahhhh...this is what Salon as a whole USED to be like!"

[crankychatter]

20. She just said people will stay home in November because of expressed umbrage to Clinton's RFK cracks

crazy, eh?

[Major Hogwash]

38. That's what she hopes for - a McCain win! Chris is going to have to stop having her on his show

As a liberal, maybe he could introduce her as a Liberman supporter, pro-war, pro-McCain.

[otohara]

67. Yep - We're On Notice - STFU or Lose

no more calling out Hillary and Bill on their misspeaks, gaffes...etc.

She's so pissed, she will surely use Salon to urge Hillary supporters to stay home or vote McCain.

[Doityourself]

56. It's what she's advocating! If Hilly isn't the nominee..Joan wants the Dems to lose...it's obvious.

[Carolina]

22. I couldn't believe her either

Guess she's become one of those bitter women in HRC's demographic.

The Clintons have indeed become monsters; Samantha Power was so right. And all you have to do to confirm it is talk to FORMER ardent supporters like me. She lost me when she trusted Bush (some judgment and leadership :shrug:) and voted aye on IWR, then was mute when he betrayed that trust and went to war.

Joan and others like her can spin themselves dizzy. The fact remains that the RFK comment revealed ever more clearly Hi-liar-y Rotten Clinton's craven, narcissistic, sociopathic, power hungry soul and many of us who lived through that tumultuous time and worked on RFK's campaign were rightfully offended.

I was also waiting for someone in that clip to refute Joan on the timeline bullshit: RFK's campaign didn't even begin until mid-March 1968! He announced, to the chagrin of many, after Eugene McCarthy won the New Hampshire primary that showed how weak LBJ was. Then, also in March, LBJ went on to announce that he would not seek nor would he accept the nomination of his party for POTUS.

So the timeline, historical reference/perspective is very flawed. RFK's campaign was a little over 2 months since he was shot just after midnight on June 5th after winning the June 4th CA primary!
June in the primary cycle then is not the same as June NOW!!! Duh.

But we know the Clintons: it depends on what is is.

[Fredda Weinberg]

27. wtf is wrong w/you ... I understood her perfectly. You don't see how ugly

your side has become.

[scheming daemons]

32. ...said a poster who last week openly proclaimed herself to be a racist

who hates black people.

[Doityourself]

57. Exactly! What a fuckin' joke.

[Fredda Weinberg]

86. I hate whom? My neighbors? The folks who ride w/me on public transit?

That is so funny, when you can see me on YouTube teaching a roomful of colorful kids. Wow ... DU has 'em all.

Racist? I'm tribal, fer sher, but that's my privileged background, which I eschew. Should I deny my heritage so you can pretend to be color-blind? Remember, I ain't Whitey ...

ROTFLMAO!

[Marrah_G]

30. She is right.

[SoCalDem]

31. refusing to see the truth.. n/t

[AtomicKitten]

33. trying to mitigate that turd of a comment from HRC is like pissing in the wind

[Auntie Bush]

41. You sound more like a truck driver than a woman! Shame on you!

My apologies to truck drivers.

[AtomicKitten]

44. my, that's a lovely strawman you've erected

[me b zola]

53. Ah, the Hillary brand of "feminism" strikes again

1) Women are truck drivers

2) As a woman, I will speak as salty--or sweet--as I choose

[Doityourself]

58. Fuckin' A! Ha Ha..

[Me.]

35. We Have Been Told From 'Day 1'

That nothing comes out of the Clinton campaign that isn't planned, so enough with all the misspeak garbage. She's said the same thing 3x, and McCauliffe has been gleefully touting the act of God and catastrophe meme for quite a while. Joan Walsh was belligerent and rude. spouting it was the Obama campaign's fault. Well they didn't cause HRC to yap and they weren't the ones who pointed it out originally. So their big crime was that after the fact they sent an email about it. Can you imagine if the situation was reversed? Well we don't have to, cause we know. So let me offer another quote from HRC, 'if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.'

[Major Hogwash]

36. She's a Hillary ass clown, didn't you know that?

She even spewed against stopping the Iraq War a few years ago.

Another turd from the "know-it-all" DLCers Klub.

[ccharles000]

39. I agree with her.

Hillary did nothing wrong.

[Auntie Bush]

43. The people who criticize her are monsters.

[emilyg]

92. So do I.

[Elmagoo]

40. The clintons have always been monsters

*Shrug*

[hfojvt]

45. How so? According to polls, Hillary would still win Arkansas.

They might be moderate Republicans masquerading as progressive Democrats, but that's not nearly as monstrous as a George W. Bush or Newt Gingrich.

[BlooInBloo]

42. Tweety's hit-or-miss. Today was almost all hit...

Especially him FINALLY asking the question "should you trust the guys who started this war to end it?"

[Doityourself]

59. Tweety also hit Bill when he asked the question: Did he respect her? Ouch.

[BlooInBloo]

60. Yup - it was a really good Tweety-day. Credit where credit is due.

[iconicgnom]

46. HRC's gaffe was a trifle compared to Obama saying "bitter"

and H's campaign didn't exploit the "bitter" word one bit.
Likewise the Wright association, which was over and done in a day - and H. never exploited it a bit.

In her Salon column Walsh calls Obama "Teflon", his campaign has been so criticism free. Yah, it must be the double standard Clinton compared to Obama that Walsh objects to.

:sarcasm: (for those who need it)

Now, let's compare the double standard Clinton compared to McCain, and Obama compared to McCain. A double standard must not exist! That must be the reason Walsh doesn't notice one. That must be the reason Walsh doesn't even mention his name.

See? Simple

[zulchzulu]

47. You got me... she's determined to want to make it out to be nothing...she's trying too hard...

She is doing her best to act like a Clinton apologist... she is absolutely blinded by her Clinton love... to the point that she has ZERO credibility.

[madfloridian]

49. Walsh is editor in chief of Salon. Her bias shows too much.

http://www.salon.com/about/staff/index.html

They really have not been that fair this primary.

They did the same thing to Dean in 03 and 04....some very ugly posts about him during the primary. I don't know who was editor, but it got pretty biased.

[Shakespeare]

51. When Rebecca Traister called Edwards an "Orc," I realized they'd lost it.

It's been REALLY bad this year, and I've been a staunch Salon supporter for over a decade.

[2rth2pwr]

55. The truth sure seems to piss off Obama supporters.

[andres hunter]

83. Yup

Note that they never specifically quote what Walsh said. They all sing to the same chorus that she's a witch, pro-Hillary, this and that.

But very pro-Obama journalists receive great praise here.

[TexasObserver]

61. Joan Walsh always looks constipated, with that pained look of hers

Release Hillary from your bowels, Joan, and that pained look will go away.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

62. she was offended that Clinton's comments were attributed to (gasp) Clinton

Walsh is playing the Clinton game - how dare you.

One minute ready to Obliterate Iran, the next minute a blushing southern bell -
How dare you!

[GoesTo11]

66. He hasn't done much since Life's Been Good

But that was enough.

[SCRUBDASHRUB]

71. She lost me there.

[indimuse]

72. One day your blinders will fade...

you peeps are really sad!

[L0oniX]

74. Typical over 50 yo Hillary supporter.

[BigBluenoser]

81. Damn those witches!!

Burn em I say! Burn em!

Drag her to the lake's edge and we'll see if the slattern floats or sinks!

[SeaLyons]

87. She's speaking the truth....

What the hell is your problem???

[Beacool]

89. Excuse me, what's wrong with you?????

If you Obama fans think that Hillary wishes that someone offs Obama, then you really have jumped the shark!!!!

Besides, who watches Tweety and that crappy network anymore (other than Obama's supporters). Their ratings are in the tank, and for good reason.