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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:08 PM
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161 Days
In 161 days the world will change.

Now I am not a Republican hater and I don't really like the pejorative terms that are common here; Rethugs etc. I don't like it for three reasons;


1) Its Limbaughish.

Its a cheap shot and it demeans us. There are plenty of good Republican mayors and Governors. Something happens with Republicans when they go for federal office that is just mystifying to me. Its not that they sell out. Let's face it most of our Democratic Reps and Senators 'rent' themselves out in order to finance these campaigns. The Republicans at the federal level operate at a completely different level.

They sell themselves out cheap and stupid.

For example they gave away the entire store on pharmaceuticals when for the same amount of money they could have gotten a discount. They gave away the whole store for peanuts. They could have gotten what they wanted and settled for a 10% discount. When they sell out they go apeshit. No the Democrats aren't perfect but at least they offer a reasonable alternative.

They could have joined with the Democrats to override Bush on global warming. We lost 8 years for nothing. The sell out for stupid.

So I don't use the cute anti-Republican names but my hope is that in 161 days every single Republican Senator and Congressman gets defeated.

2) Its bad Strategy.

The primary vulnerability with strategic planning is overestimating your strengths and underestimating your opponents weaknesses. Its what Rumsfield and the neo-cons did in Iraq and what the Clinton brain trust did with Obama. We need to evaluate the Republicans with cold objectivity and it isn't helpful if we are simply reinforcing the same perspectives with cheap shots that do not resonate in the larger world.

There is good evidence that Senator Obama is going to run a historic campaign and a strong victory. http://uselectionatlas.org/PRED/PRESIDENT/2008/pred.php He has the smartest campaign in modern history, he has defeated the strongest second place candidate in history, he is an expert on voter registration, McCain is a terrible campaigner and will prove and embarrassment on debates - but, regardless of what the polls say we should run as if we are 50 electoral votes behind.

Every state should be under siege, we should try and win Arizona (right now Senator McCain is running only at 51% - with 10% undecided - what might happen if Barr trims off 5% from McCain in Arizona http://www.pollster.com/08-AZ-Pres-GE-MvO.php) and every other state. The impact down ticket is what will give us the governing super majority to be able to pass real legislation, real health care reform.

3) Its bad Tactics.
There are lots of Independents and Republicans who are willing to give Obama a chance. They know that they don't agree with us on a lot of things but there is universal distaste for what has happened and lets face it nothing helps a party reorganize for the future than a real ass whipping. Many Independents and Republicans are reachable but if we communicate in a haughty and patronizing manner we will lose people that are reachable.


In 161 days the leadership of this country will change and it will effect every human living.

There are many important issues that we feel passionately about. There are two that have world wide significance.

1) The use of American military as the primary expression of American power.

2) The technological impact on our atmosphere.

These two issues effect the peasant in Iran or Burma and everyone in between.

We have been lucky so far


You think Iraq is a disaster. Iraq is a pseudo-disaster. It is a trailer for disaster. It is a regional disaster that effects 10 million people. It can get a whole lot worse. A choleric McCain does not have the patience to engage Iran and others with subtlety. He has been trained and trained well to push the button. Don't worry about what happens after those bombs fall - let them go and somebody else will be there to clean that mess up. That bomb doesn't work? We have more bombs.

I am in the 'least likely to believe a conspiracy' wing of the Democratic party. However, if the McCain candidacy does not lead you to think that some type of military action is highly likely with a McCain candidacy then you should join the Lanny Davis optimist club.

We have been lucky so far.

The war in Iraq, while a complete disaster in terms of conflict management, has largely been confined to stay within the borders.

An expansion outside of Iraq opens up the possibility of a war of epic proportions engaging entire regions that no one can envision. When those geniuses started the 100 Year War they all thought that it was going to be a 6 month war. Every war starts as a 6 month war. Here however we have vast millions that live in a tinderbox of fervor. The kerosene in the mix is the same that drew Hussein to Kuwait in the beginning - vast fields of unmeasurable wealth in Kuwait, Saudie Arabia, UAE with relatively small indigenous local armies.

The only likely viable restraint to McCain military aggression is going to be the capitalists warning of a historic collapse of the stock market.

Further delay on undoing the changes to the atmosphere is too frightening to consider.

So in 161 days approximately 140 million Americans which path will be taken.

The stakes are so great that we will have to put aside all personal preferences. Clinton supporters will have to choose if they are really willing to gamble giving additional power to those who have a clear preference to using military intervention to solve problems in order to express their personal frustration at losing.

Obama supporters may have to consider a combined ticket with Clinton or some Vice President nominee that doesn't fit our litmus test.

DU partisans will be forced to stop aiming for purity and consider how to seduce the 'impure', dissatisfied Republicans and Independents that are willing to consider a reasonable non antagonistic approach.

We need to take the 60 million that Kerry got and add 15 million more voters to be absolutely certain of victory. This time defeat is not an option.


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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:21 PM
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1. kick
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southern_belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:26 PM
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2. kick
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:36 PM
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29. thanks SB
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:26 PM
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3. Let me gladly add a K&R. n/t
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:37 PM
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7. Thanks Tom
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:29 PM
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4. Sorry I Missed This The First Time Through...
Too many garbage posts kicked up I guess.

K&R
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:34 PM
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5. seems to be payback day.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:34 PM
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6. We need to overwhelm them at the polls
And the only way to do that is to get fair chunk of them to come over to our side.

Personally, I think that whole Operation Chaos thing was BS. Sure, there were a few Republicans that voted in Democratic primaries in order to screw with us. But the fact is, the states that have open primaries have had open primaries for a long time. The type of people who cross over to be jerks have always been the types to be jerk.

I think the truth is, the Republicans are abandoning their party in far greater numbers than those who do the bidding of Rush Limbaugh. We've had stunning numbers of people voting Democratic in these primaries. People are changing parties. We need to keep them with us. We need to keep the momentum going. We need to let them know they are welcome.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:50 PM
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26. And we need a quick start to intimidate their donors
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sonias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:47 PM
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8. I can't wait
Count those days down!


Sonia
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:41 PM
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25. thanks Sonia
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:48 PM
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9. I agree, though I just can't help myself from calling Bush 'Jr.'
but he'll be in the political graveyard soon enough so there :)
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:51 PM
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10. I call him Governor Bush
He never quite made it past that
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reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:54 PM
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11. Stupendous! k/r
A real gem.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:37 PM
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24. thanks
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 05:55 PM
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12. You're a better man than I, Gunga Din.
I have no mercy for McLame and the GestOPo. :evilgrin:



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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:02 PM
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14. well i would rather show more restraint and pick up 10 Senators
and 40 Reps. So its not mercy I seek its political devestation. 45 states would be too close for me.

I want to take Arizona and everything in between.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:07 PM
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15. Do what you have to do.
I plan to mock the GOP right up until November 3rd. Considering what I have been through in the last few years, hurricane Katrina for instance, it's a fun way to relieve stress. :)


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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:10 PM
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17. we will just have to keep you off the comitte for designing the mailers lol
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:14 PM
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18. I can live with that.
I just cannot help myself. :D


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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:16 PM
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19. does this mean somebody got their old computer back?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:28 PM
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21. Nope
Edited on Tue May-27-08 06:31 PM by Swamp Rat
Not yet.


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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 11:19 PM
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38. wow wonder what it will look like when you get that back lol
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:02 PM
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13. Enthusiastic rec! Totally excellent post! Beautiful!
Please keep up the good work. We need all the peacekeepers here that we can get.

:loveya:
sw
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:07 PM
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16. I don't want peace I want a political Tsunami
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:18 PM
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20. I know, I wasn't very clear. I meant "peace" in the sense of an end to rancor on our side, and in
making an opening for dissaffected republicans and independents to join us by not mocking them.

We need all the strength in numbers that we can muster in order to mount our "tsunami".

sw
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:32 PM
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22. I didn't mean to sound like I was disagreeing with you
I knew your intent and was trying to 'agree with emphasis' but was in artful. thks.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:36 PM
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23. Not at all! It gave me the opportunity to add to my thoughts. Thanks back atcha.
I'm a Buddhist, too, btw.

:)
sw
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CaptJasHook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 06:51 PM
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27. 161 Kicks
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 07:26 PM
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28. thks
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fight4my3sons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:53 PM
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30. k&r
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:10 PM
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31. tks f4m3sons
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:12 PM
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32. And having a son who today enlisted in the Armed Services
The change cannot come too soon.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:19 PM
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33. Wow TVOR congratulations on raising such a great son
which service did he join?
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:21 PM
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34. He has been a "challenge."
He signed with the Air Force. We're thrilled and terrified at the same time.

Oldest son just graduated from college and starts working to find more oil (petroleum engineer) next week. Went out today and bought him a Prius.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:24 PM
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35. ah glad to hear its the Air Force for obvious reasons
congratulations on your son's graduation. My youngest daughter is graduating from HS in two weeks.

It seems like yesterday I hitchhiked down to Carter's inauguration to freeze in the snow.
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:30 PM
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36. An old cajun (my home turf) phrase fits well:
We got old too soon!

Congrats on your oldest daughter! My eldest daughter just graduated from HS too. Starts at University of Texas in a few weeks. Two more after her. Then we're done - for a few years, then grandkids. Life is a pretty damn good thing, all in all.

In a week and a half, we have our Texas state convention where we'll charge the stage - rumor has it we'll have some guest appearances.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:51 PM
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37. youngest daughter youngest whew lol
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 11:27 PM
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39. I hear your points loud and clear, grant..
Good for you being able to have a calm, diplomatic approach much like Obama.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:21 AM
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41. a high compliment thks
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phrigndumass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:47 AM
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40. Kickin
:kick:
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:00 PM
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42. You got a ruler handy?
I don't do it too often but I do like the occasional Freeper joke. Please, please don't take that away from me. I suppose I will back it off a couple of RPMs.
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Juan_de_la_Dem Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:36 PM
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43. Kick
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Turn CO Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:28 PM
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44. Hi grantcart

1. I stopped using the reduced derogatory terms for Republicans about a week ago, when I had a similar epiphany about how silly and intellectually lazy it is to do so. As you say, reduction parlance is the forte of Rush Limbaugh and his black/white world-viewing ilk.

2. I can't emphasize enough how we need every single voter to show up to the polls in November, even should Obama be polling dozens of points above McCain. Not just because "they" may try to steal it, but because we need to win in an awe-inspiring, ridiculously embarrassing, LANDSLIDE.

3. I have said that I am not opposed to a position for Senator Clinton, even VP if Obama so chooses. Obama could definitely handle her, and Senator Clinton can definitely handle assigned tasks.

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