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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:42 PM
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Hillary: The Unforgiven...
Edited on Tue May-27-08 09:05 PM by WillyT
“I was discussing the Democratic primary history, and in the course of that discussion mentioned the campaigns both my husband and Senator Kennedy waged California in June in 1992 and 1968,” she said in Brandon, South Dakota. “I was referencing those to make the point that we have had nomination primary contests that go into June. That‘s a historic fact.

“The Kennedys have been much on my mind the last days because of Senator Kennedy. I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation, particularly for the Kennedy family, was in any way offensive, I certainly had no intention of that whatsoever.”

“My view is that we have to look to the past and to our leaders who have inspired us and give us a lot to live up to and I‘m honored to hold Senator Kennedy‘s seat in the United States Senate in the state of New York and have the highest regard for the entire Kennedy family. Thanks.”


Not a word about the inappropriateness of referencing assassination.

Not a word about the inappropriateness of implying—whether it was intended or not—that she was hanging around waiting for somebody to try something terrible.

Not a word about Senator Obama.

Not a word about Senator McCain.

Not I‘m sorry.

Not I apologize.

Not I blew it.

Not please forgive me.

God knows, Senator, in this campaign, the nation has had to forgive you, early and often. And despite your now traditional position of the offended victim, this nation has forgiven you. We have forgiven you your insistence that there have been widespread calls for you to end your campaign, when such calls, in fact, had been few. We have forgiven you your misspeaking about Martin Luther King‘s relative importance to the Civil Rights movement.

We have forgiven you your misspeaking about your under-fire landing in Bosnia. We have forgiven you insisting Michigan‘s vote wouldn‘t count and then claiming those who would not count it were Un-Democratic.

We have forgiven you pledging to not campaign in Florida and thus disenfranchise voters there, and then claim those who stuck to those rules were as wrong as those who defended slavery or denied women the vote.

We have forgiven you the photos of Osama Bin Laden in an anti-Obama ad.

We have forgiven you fawning over the fairness of Fox News while they were still calling you a murderer. We have forgiven you accepting Richard Mellon Scaife‘s endorsement and then laughing as you described his “deathbed conversion.”

We have forgiven you quoting, the electoral predictions of Boss Karl Rove.

We have forgiven you the 3 a.m. phone call commercial.

We have forgiven you President Clinton‘s disparaging comparison of the Obama candidacy to Jesse Jackson‘s.

We have forgiven you Geraldine Ferraro‘s national radio interview suggesting Obama would not still be in the race had he been a white man.

We have forgiven you the dozen changing metrics and the endless self-contradictions of your insistence that your nomination is mathematically probable rather than a statistical impossibility. We have forgiven you your declaration that some primary states count and some really don‘t.

We have forgiven you exploiting Jeremiah Wright in front of the editorial board of the lunatic-fringe “Pittsburgh Tribune-Review.” We have forgiven you exploiting William Ayers in front of the debate on ABC. We have forgiven you for boasting of your “support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans.”

We have even forgiven you repeatedly praising Senator McCain at Senator Obama‘s expense, and at your own expense, and at the Democratic ticket‘s expense.

But Senator, we cannot forgive you this. “You know, my husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California.”

We cannot forgive you this, Senator, not because it is crass and low and unfeeling and brutal. This is unforgivable, because this nation‘s deepest shame, its most enduring horror, its most terrifying legacy, is political assassination. Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, Kennedy, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Robert Kennedy. And but for the grace of the universe or the luck of the draw, Reagan, Ford, Truman, Nixon, Andrew Jackson, both Roosevelts, even George Wallace.

The politics of this nation is steeped enough in blood, Senator Clinton. You cannot and must not invoke that imagery anywhere at any time!

And to not appreciate, immediately—to still not appreciate tonight just what you have done today is to reveal an incomprehension of the America you seek to lead. This, Senator, is too much because a senator, a politician, a person who can let hang in mid-air the prospect that she might just be sticking around, in part, just in case the other guy gets shot has no business being, and no capacity to be, the President of the United States.


<snip>

Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24842254/

:shrug:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:47 PM
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1. Kick !!!
:kick:
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:51 PM
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2. KO at his very best. Thanks for this post.
:thumbsup: :hi:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:04 PM
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4. You Are Quite Welcome !!!
:hi:
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:26 AM
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24. I am amazed at his growing courage.
We need more like him.

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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 06:28 PM
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27. For me, he's been the only constant voice of sanity, one I can always depend on.
Thank God for Keith.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 08:51 PM
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3. Unrepentant, unforgiven, unelectable, unimaginable, undone.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:07 PM
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5. I may be in the minority of Obama supporters
However I want this story to die and here is my reason. When you have to look into the eyes of someone who wants to vote for Obama but fears that they may be putting his life in danger and you have to reasure that voter they aren't than you'll understand why I don't want to be talking about assasinations regardless of the political points we are making. We expressed our outrage. Everyone knows. Time to let this go.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:12 PM
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7. If I Thought That We, Here At DU, Had That Kind Of Power... I'd Be In Total Agreement...
But DU is not the place you worry about such things coming to life (through postings at DU), it IS exactly the place where you expose the sewage for what it is.

:shrug:


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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:16 PM
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9. I'm talking about here on DU
and also in general with the media or other conversations. We know what was said. Its been reported. We've had 5 days to be angry. No reason for us to continue hitting on it. The reason we are winning is we aren't the other side.

Honestly talking about it all the time makes me uneasy as a supporter as well.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:28 PM
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12. I Hear Ya...
But many moons ago, I was counseled as a newbie DUer, to remember that as much as we may like this place and be impressed with this place, it really isn't that big of a mover and shaker in the big picture.

That said... I think we are significantly more important now than we have been in the past.

But... you also have to realize, that some folks were not here on Friday when this story broke, some folks may have just found out about this crap for the first time this afternoon after coming back from their three-day weekend.

DU has many a poster who is here everyday monitoring the shit storm for the rest of us... but, others check in when they are not otherwise occupied, and...

With threads dropping and locking, within minutes of appearing, you have to realize that stories and controversies have a better chance of dissolving under their own weight, than by forcing everyone to go mum.

At least that's been my experience here.

:shrug:

:hi:
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:10 PM
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6. The Unforgiven was an Eastwood movie...
I hope our convention doesn't turn into the last barroom scene from that movie
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:14 PM
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8. Well... It Is Gonna Be In Denver...
:evilgrin:

:shrug:
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:17 PM
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10. It's like if you're a guy, you're talking about your female opponent, then you go, "By the way, we
all remember when Benazir Bhutto was assassinated in June."
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:41 PM
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13. Exactly !!!
:banghead:

:hi:

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:24 PM
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11. hilary will not be forgiven and
this will follow her everywhere..

"Like the Bush administration, the issue is no longer whether she leaves the stage with her reputation irreparably tarnished, but what state she leaves it in and how many people she is prepared to take with her."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/may/26/hillaryclinton.barackobama

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 09:43 PM
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14. Word...
:shrug:

:hi:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:59 AM
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15. As soon as I started reading it I though that it sounded like that pompous windbag KO,
and lo and behold, it WAS KO. Please, other than the Obama faithful, who else watches that network?

:eyes:
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:05 AM
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17. Was he a pompous windbag when he was the ONLY person
on TV calling out the Bush admin? Or did he just become one when he did this Hillary rant?
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:12 AM
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19. He's long been a pompous ass who loves to hear the sound of his voice
and is obsessed with Bill O'Reilly (another pompous windbag).

I stopped watching him and MSNBC when he went on a 9 minute diatribe against Hillary for something said by Gerry Ferraro.

MSNBC has been so in the tank for Obama that they have lost all sense of objectivity and KO is now just laughable with his constant rants about anything Clinton.

His fake outrage over Hillary's comments is ridiculous, he knows perfectly well that she was talking about the primary time line and not about wishing that someone would off Obama.

Please........
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mcctatas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:15 AM
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20. Well at least you've narrowed the time frame....
to around the time he said anything negative against hillary....

predictable :eyes:

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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:04 AM
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16. How dare you!
make sense.
:rofl:
:kick:
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:12 AM
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18. Hillary has done nothing that require forgiveness...this is the McGovernite arrogance that will sink
Edited on Wed May-28-08 01:12 AM by StevieM
Obama. I expect him to lose by at least 15 points.

And I liked the 3 AM phone ad. The fact that is was labeled "disgraceful" is the ultimate example of how new rules were created for Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. The ad was't disgraceful. It wasn't negative. Hell, it wasn't even terribly innovative.

This RFK stuff really highlights the absurdity of the accusations of wrong doing against Hillary Clinton. Indeed it will go down in history as the ultimate symbol of this campaign--the ultimate symbol of the insane lynching of Hillary Clinton.

Olbermann doesn't speak for all Americans. He doesn't get to forgive or not forgive on behalf of our nation.

Steve

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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:15 AM
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21. Steve, they hate her because she didn't step aside for the coronation
of the Anointed One. How dare she try to compete and stay until all votes are cast?? Imagine that, a candidate who's neck to neck with her opponent and refuses to just get up and quit. The effrontery of the woman!!!

Pathetic.......
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:19 AM
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22. Must be hard to walk around with all of your digits crossed.

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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:28 AM
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25. "McGovernite" - that you, wyldwolf?
Or maybe Billy Bunter?

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:19 AM
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26. "the ultimate symbol of the insane lynching of Hillary Clinton."
:wtf:

Yeah... Hillary Clinton and Clarence Thomas.

:wtf:

And...

if by "lynching" you mean, she bought the rope, she tied the noose, she built the scaffolding, she climbed the platform, she hung the noose, put it around her own neck, and then jumped...

then yeah... I could see what you mean.

:rofl:


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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:22 AM
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23. You're too kind - she lied about Tuzla, it wasn't misspeaking.
Edited on Wed May-28-08 01:23 AM by Zhade
I understand your being kind, but I prefer accuracy.

Hell of a post, though!

EDIT: Ooops, just realized you didn't write this. Still great!

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