Bill Clinton Loves Hillary

[thewiseguy]

I, as a man, would give props to Bill Clinton for sticking up for Hillary and campaigning his ass off for her. His hard work for Hillary throughout this campaign has been truly remarkable.

As an ex president, Bill has sacrificsed his legacy for Hillary. He has delivered many speeches, campaigned in adverse conditions, and stuck by his wife even if she made a mistake.

Now thats a hell of a husband folks! :hug:

[Skittles]

1. he absolutely does indeed n/t

[cbayer]

2. I have no question about that.

Lovely post, lovely picture.

[Lucky 13]

3. Nevermind.

[Alcibiades]

7. She's OK with it

Remember, it's a private matter of no consequence. If she's OK with it, then why should we object?

Memorize. If the Clintons get back in the White House, we won't get national health care, but we will get to go around defending their rather unconventional arrangement with these sorts of bullshit lines.

[thewiseguy]

8. We all make mistakes.

But tell you what, Bill loves Hillary very much. He has been flamed for his mistakes.

Now its time to show him some love. :toast:

[mac2]

24. Some of it as Hillary says was a RW conspiracy

But not as you might think. It's a RW conspiracy to distract us while they pushed NAFTA through Congress. America was talking about Monia's dress, etc.

[democracy1st]

51. Who pushed Nafta thru ?

[mac2]

102. Bill Daley, Clinton, and the rest of the Neo Cons in DC and

media.

While the media talked about Monica, the Congress was discussing NAFTA but few listened. Behind closed doors in the dead of night (like the Military Commissions Act, Patriot Act, FEMA, etc.), they passed these unconstitutional laws.

All you heard were Republican women upset at Clinton ruining their children for life. What about fear mongering, torture pictures, and lies to go to war? That not "harmful" to their children?

[parasim]

4. She deserves props as well.

Can you imagine what she went through seeing Ms. Lewinsky's face everywhere with references to cigars and blue dresses for so long? She had became the laughing stock of the nation during that time, because of him. I say she put up with it pretty damn well.

She's one hell of a wife!

and I say this also as a man.

[salguine]

26. A "hell of a wife" because she just took it when she was treated like shit and humiliated?

You can have your hell of a wife. If she'd dumped his cheating ass, I'd have said "That''s a hell of a woman."

[parasim]

32. I agree. I said hell of a "wife".

Many husbands would love to have a wife like her. I can't imagine why she stayed with him after all that. I'd certainly have more respect for her if she had dumped him. He treated her like shit.

My reaction was simply counter to the "hell of a husband" thing.

But what do I know? Full disclosure: I failed miserably at the whole husband thing. Not because of another woman, but because of a career. Luckily I get along great now with my ex (who's one hell of a woman as well one hell of a mother) and my kids don't see me as just some asshole (any more).

[Carolina]

54. what woman would walk away from all the perks

of being FIRST LADY?

I mean seriously, Jane Q. Public may storm out but few women walk away from power and money. The powerful and wealthy husbands may, and sadly often do, kick the longstanding wife to the curb but women rarely leave the kind of security that wealth and power provide.

[marions ghost]

57. she put up with it for her own sake, and career

which makes her pragmatic and resilient (and even forgiving) but it doesn't exactly make her 'a hell of a wife' (unless you appreciate doormats). A lot of people don't admire the 'putting up' wife.

[mamalone]

62. You know what?

I have always respected her precisely because she did stay with him. I know I'm in the minority here, but I think staying together, forgiving and allowing the relationship to move forward out of the slime showed incredible strength of character. Hating is easy... loving is hard.

[demokatgurrl]

89. I agree!

No one's marriage is any of my business, including the President's. I'm voting for him/her, not marrying them. As long as their philandering doesn't have an adverse effect on their job performance, who gives a flying fuck?

And yes, I agree with the original post too, I think he loves her very much.

[mamalone]

92. and I agree with you too:) nt

[nyccitizen]

5. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but...

When you love someone you don't go sleeping around with bimbo after bimbo. I voted for him, he's a good politician and I agreed with his policies, but the man has been an unapologetic sleaze in his personal life.

[Skittles]

12. if you think men who sleep around cannot love

you are dead wrong

[nyccitizen]

13. It shows a lack of respect, which is a fundamental part of love. nt

[Skittles]

15. that's something a lot of us would agree with

but it does not always translate in this unperfect world

[nyccitizen]

17. It's not like he slipped up once...

The man has had a pattern of adultery his entire married life. Slip-ups happen, but there's a difference between an isolated event and a lifestyle based on disrespecting your spouse.

[Skittles]

18. I don't presume to know his personal business

since it is NONE OF MINE

[canucksawbones]

113. I find it amusing

that some of the same people who are running about screaming misogyny arre also defending Bill's behaviour.

Personally I don't care what Bill was doing with his private time, but Bill is easily more misogynistic than Obama's campaign has been.

just sayin....

[salguine]

27. Men who love don't sleep around.

[mac2]

28. 56 posts?

Are you in Obama world of denial? Of-course they do. Depends on the person if they can forgive.

[Genevieve]

29. Why are you bringing up his/her post count?

[Triana]

33. No. They don't. And men don't deserve to be 'forgiven' when they do ...

...when women sleep around, they aren't "forgiven" either. You either commit to someone, or you don't. It's sad that some people can't seem to respect and honor their significant others and their commitments - and they don't deserve a 'get out of jail free' card when they don't (when they let their whore-moans write checks they can't pay).

People either need to get a divorce, or become polygamists, polyandrists, or polyamorists if they want to 'sleep around'. But - that would require thinking with something besides one's crotch, I suppose.

[Carolina]

55. while I agree on some level

the other factors in longstanding marriages are also security and familiarity.

Can you honestly think of any woman who would walk away from the perks of being First Lady? I mean seriously, Jane Q. Public may storm out but few women walk away from power and money. The powerful and wealthy husbands may, and sadly often do, kick the longstanding wife to the curb but women rarely leave the kind of security that wealth and power provide.

Sometimes it's not about love; it's not even about loyalty. It's I'm 60 and I have a very comfortable life.

[ShortnFiery]

68. I'm far from a saint but I'd be damned if I'd look the other way while hubby's grabbing YOUNG

women's asses. Hell, ANY other women's asses. To hell with my ambitions, I'd physically have kicked Bill's serially adulterous ASS up and down Pennsylvania Avenue. :thumbsdown:

[Triana]

122. Exactly. IMO it happens so often simply because it's tolerated.

If people don't tolerate it, the frequency with which it happens would decrease greatly - when it COSTS them something, they'll think twice first. And if it were me and it costed ME (professionally, financially, healthwise, or otherwise) because someone couldn't keep it in their pants, I'd make DAMN SURE it costed them TWICE as much.

Them's the boundaries. Mind 'em and all's well - don't and it'll be very costly.

[marshall]

64. It's their relationship to do with as they please

She obviously doesn't care on a private level that he finds satisfaction elsewhere. That's the deal they seem to have worked out with each other. What is upsetting is when it all becomes public.

[NashVegas]

65. Expected Monogamy From Your Spouse Is Not Old Fashioned

More like a development of the last 150 years or so.

Being unfaithful doesn't mean sleeping with someone else. Being unfaithful means not believing your marriage could survive sexual infidelity or that your mate could possibly love YOU if they slept with someone else.

[frickaline]

69. Usually with infidelity, the problem lies more in the mutual relationship than 1 or the other

As an outsider to their relationship it is impossible to know why Bill felt the need to stray outside the relationship. It is certainly possible that there were serious barriers within their marriage that led him to stray.

Assigning blame to one or the other is a gross oversimplification of their marital problems. He should never have cheated on her but there were likely relationship-based reasons why he wanted to. Marriage is a 2 way street and a complicated relationship. I'd never presume to comment or pass judgment on someone else's.

If nothing else, it seems that either his infidelity being brought to such bright light or Hillary's hard fought campaign has helped their marriage. I don't remember ever thinking 'oh they really love each other' during the Bill years.

[ShortnFiery]

73. No, with infidelity, someone's is "sleeping around" and unless you FULLY declare that your

marriage is "OPEN" - Otherwise, it's damn unacceptable for public officials to be having affairs. Blackmail anyone?

The term "no ethical standards" can be applied to several levels when it comes to describing the Clintons behavior for decades. :(

[frickaline]

81. I'm talking about the psychology of it, not the political ramifications. (nt)

[Alia]

6. she looks really good in that picture

nt

[thewiseguy]

9. That picture was taken in 01.

[emilyg]

22. Thanks for the picture.

[Teaser]

117. Wow...

I always thought aging was a gradual thing, but sometimes it seems like we just go off a cliff after a certain age.

I better run tonight!

[NashVegas]

121. Wow. Damn

She looks closer to 30 than 50, in that photo. I'm sure there was help, but, damn.

[ReverendDeuce]

10. Stand by your WOman...

Your post is 100% accurate. I've been saying it for weeks now: Hillary is destroying the Clinton legacy with her recent actions.

But kudos to Bill for supporting her!

Cute pic, BTW. In better days, it would have been remarkably sweet. But these days, it's contrived and reeks of insincerity. The feminists probably don't like how he has his arms around her in that dominant position, either.

Oh well.

[Arugula Latte]

21. I think they're both destroying the legacy.

Bill Clinton has said some shitty, racebaiting things this campaign. I'm so disappointed in him.

[Stephanie]

44. Photo from a recent Bill Clinton rally >

Somehow this got past the campaign staff at the door.

[Arugula Latte]

87. I guess I'm naive, but before the campaign I really thought people like these racist

Clinton-supporting "Democrats" had become Republicans years ago. I didn't realize there was still a significant racist component in the Democratic party in some parts of the country.

[Stephanie]

96. What's shocking to me is that the Clinton campaign allowed these signs to be displayed

INSIDE an auditorium where he was speaking, when they were no doubt checking signs at the door. They ENCOURAGE this sort of thing and that's why I despise them.

[Arugula Latte]

99. I never expected them to sink so low this campaign.

I really thought they had a few shreds of decency left. Guess I was sadly mistaken.

[Rene]

105. How do you assume that someone who wants HRC to be the President is a racist ! You couldn't be

more wrong. We want the Best person

[Arugula Latte]

120. Rene -- I was referring to the photo ... The older man holding the

Not Barack "Hussein" Obama sign. That is obviously calling attention to Obama's "otherness" -- Oooh, maybe he's one of them MUSLIMS! That's why I said "like these" --> referring to people like the sign holder. I didn't say ALL Hillary supporters are racist.

[Raejeanowl]

11. I Give Them Both Kudos For Sticking Together

I don't care what their reasons are-it's none of our business, anyway.

[frickaline]

70. completely agree, I think it shows greater fortitude for them to have worked things out (nt)

[grantcart]

14. yep

[Erin Elizabeth]

16. I don't know, to be honest.

No one here is close enough or privvy enough to their marriage to really be able to say if he loves her or if it is an understood political alliance.

Not passing judgement on it if it is, just saying no one can really know if he's been doing what he's been doing out of love, a sense of obligation, perceived political expediency, or whatever.

Shrug.

And they both certainly have sacrificed a lot of political goodwill with this campaign. And he his legacy, as you said. I find that to be incredibly sad. I want to go back to liking and respecting him, but I'm not sure I can. Maybe someday. I hope so.

[emilyg]

19. That's one heck of a couple!

[Skrelnick]

20. Taking a cute picture =/= fit to be President

And that goes for the both of them.

[billyoc]

36. It took me a minute to figure out that "=/=" means "not equal".

I've not seen that before, I'm used to "!=". :hi:

[salguine]

23. Stop calling them "mistakes".

Mistakes are something you do accidentally. You don't trip on a wrinkle in the rug and accidentally stick your Willie into some woman who isn't the woman you're married to. A "hell of a husband" stays faithful to his wife. It's ain't that difficult. Bill's a douchebag.

[mac2]

25. Ya...not like murdering millions and lying to the American

people to bring them to war. I can think of politicans who this site thinks are great who do that.

[msallied]

37. Your second sentence was barely readable, but if I translated it correctly:

Your logic is flawed. No one here exonerated the lies of George W. Bush, and you're a moron to think otherwise. Dubya and Bush are two different kinds of asshole, but they are both assholes just the same.

[Stephanie]

45. One of them is Hillary.

Unless you really believe that she really believed Bush.

[mac2]

93. and Obama who did not try to stop it.

[karynnj]

134. There was no way that he or anyone other than Bush who could single handly

end the war.

[cbc5g]

30. If they only lifted the nation up instead of going on the attack...n/t

[Cha]

31. Love kills..

gateley (1000+ posts) Wed May-28-08 12:48 AM
Original message
Commentary: No graceful bow-out for Clinton
~snip~

Lest anyone think the race for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination is going to end peacefully in June, forget about it.

Sen. Hillary Clinton will do anything and everything to win, and the idea that Sen. Barack Obama should give in to her demands to seat the Michigan and Florida delegates is ludicrous. When you're ahead, you don't concede any ground. If the roles were reversed, she would do the same

~snip~.

In Florida on Wednesday, she invoked slavery and the epic civil rights battle against Jim Crow in her quest to count the vote in Florida as-is.

But The Wall Street Journal and other media outlets say the Clinton camp doesn't care. Her biggest backer, former President Clinton, is telling her to stay in it until the end, hoping to persuade superdelegates to switch and give her the nomination.

The DNC rules committee will meet May 31. Expect a bloodbath. Trust me; there will be nothing nice about that meeting.

The Obama camp better not let its guard down. The Clinton camp is gearing up for a protracted battle. Folks, this is for all the marbles, and feelings -- and party -- be damned.

~snip~

more>>> http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/27/roland.martin/in...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6154331

[Beacool]

34. Thanks!!

Lovely pic!!!!

:hi:

[Tatiana]

35. I never doubted. She is definitely his other half and he does love her very much. n/t

[msallied]

38. They are both sociopaths; a match made in heaven, in other words.

[Carolina]

56. sociopathic narcissists!

[StevieM]

39. Bill's legacy is fine. He is easily the best president of the last 40 years. (eom)

[juajen]

40. Yep, and it is easy to see their love for each other.

Addressing their personal life should not be done on this board, nor should their political acumen be judged by their personal life. Everything is not our business, people. Before the internet and yellow journalism's prevalence, we rarely had a President who was not hiding something, sometimes things much more important than their sex life. How many of us on this board believe that Reagan was suffering from alzheimer's before he left office? How many now believe that JFK had debilitating back trouble as well as a wandering eye?

It is simply indecent to try to go into our President's bedroom. Some places we simply should not go. We should, however, have physicians from the opposite party, as well as our own, checking into the health of our candidates. I do not believe, personally, that John McCain is free of cancer. I will be very interested in who he chooses as a running mate. I believe that some things should be off limits on health records.

I do understand that a President could be subject to blackmail by nefarious persons or countries if he indulges in questionable sexual activity. Of course, that's true of every politician. So, the best we can do is to have an FBI investigation of every candidate and his family before he can even run for office, and this is usually done. I'm not sure how so much slips by, but, of course, perhaps I am.

[Stephanie]

47. McCain had cancer removed from his leg last year, per the latest release.

And Bill Clinton was put on a "woman diet" last year, per HRC's advisors. So rest assured, all is well.

[reflection]

66. I keep hearing that phrase bandied around.

"woman diet." Is that just something the blogosphere created or is there really some kind of reference to that phrase somewhere in the campaign? That seems like the kind of phrase that would catch fire and spread if it made it out into the general public if it had real roots.

[Stephanie]

83. As reported in Slate >

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5505079

An official in the Clinton White House who strongly supports her and is highly skeptical of Obama says that when Hillary promises there won't be another Bill Clinton sex scandal, that's not just hope talking. This wasn't some pro forma assurance, either, or a Scarlett O'Hara-style, we'll-worry-about-that-another-day sort of remark. No, there's a reason the candidate feels, as she said, "very confident" on that score: Her husband has been "put on a diet for the last year," the former Clinton official told me, referring not to cheeseburgers but to women. "And he's stuck to it, as far as we know."

http://www.slate.com/id/2188751/pagenum/all/

[reflection]

88. Wow. What a marriage.

I can't even comprehend it.

[Stephanie]

100. It's very cynical.

And it's this type of thing that puts the party at risk in the fall if she were the nominee. Imagine another bimbo eruption then! We'd all be screwn, not just Bill. She's unelectable for all kinds of reasons but that's certainly one - Bill's a walking time bomb.

[reflection]

108. Did you know

That 'time bomb' is an anagram for 'met bimbo'?

Thus endeth the trivia lesson for today. :)

[FredScuttle]

124. The very fact that she has to promise there won't be a bimbo eruption

is all you need to know that Bubba is baggage she doesn't need.

Bill Clinton exemplified the Defense of Marriage by getting blown by an intern in the Oval Office, then bullying his Cabinet and prominent party officials to go on TV and lie for him. Hell, he even had me lying for him. Never again.

[marions ghost]

58. well it would have been good if we had some say

in having a president with Alzheimer's while Nancy and her astrologer ran the country...:eyes:

Re the Clintons: This whole country has been immersed in the Clinton marriage and sex life for a long time. It's our national soap, like the way the Queen's children are tabloidized in England. I don't think it's good, and yes it should be private, but sorry, it's been made very public and you can't suddenly shut off any interest in it. That was not the Clinton's doing, it was perpetrated by the media and their political enemies.

I'm very interested in the socio-psychological question of how people's feelings about the Clinton's marriage played into their votes in this primary. I suspect it was a very real factor.

One reason why I don't want to see the Clintons back in the White House is because I DON'T want to hear about their sex life anymore. It's not their fault that there is acute interest in it, but we are not going to stop that with protests of "privacy."

[mac2]

95. He looks good compared to the Republicans ones.

But his NAFTA and media merger bill was a disaster for our democracy. The welfare bill also a disaster for woman. How could he think that was a good idea?

Bill Clinton is the best Republican President they ever had. Mike Malloy.

The Patriot Act was on his desk before 911. He would not spy on us or remove our Constitution. Cheney and Rove wanted him to invade Iraq. He would not so they punished him with Monica, etc. RW Conspiracy my foot. It was treason.

[my3boyz]

41. Nope. He wants the power back. If he loved her so much he would not have

had affair after affair. Bill Clinton loves Bill Clinton. He wanted to be part in putting things back together after the Bush administration left. It is really sad because I'm sure Obama would have loved to have his advice on certain issues if he hadn't tried to destroy his character.

[anonymous171]

42. That is a lovely picture.

[Stephanie]

43. They are going down together, that's for sure.

Is she dragging him down or he her? Hard to say. But you are correct, he has sacrificed his legacy for her mistake. The tale he was spinning tonight was astonishing - "She's winning the general election." What?

[mac2]

97. We all go down together in this mess of power and greed.

[breakaleg]

46. I couldn't find the sarcasm tag.

[Raine]

48. They deserve each other

I don't know if they have love for each other or some other connection but they belong together. Two such self-centered, egotistical and win at all costs people are truly meant for each other. x(

[shireen]

49. that's a really nice photo of them

do you know when it was taken? Hillary looks really good ... relaxed, well-rested. Probably taken before she became a candidate!

This campaign must be exhausting for her, she certainly has a lot of stamina. When I watch her and Obama, it amazes me that they have the energy to work so hard!

[Why Syzygy]

50. Yes, he certainly did sacrifice his legacy for her. How cosmic is that.

[mac2]

98. She did what? He and his Monica scandal hurt their image

more than her running for president. Get real.

[Why Syzygy]

125. He actually SURVIVED that. Quite an accomplishment.

No. It has been his public behavior the past few months on behalf of his wife that has tarnished the both of them beyond repair.

[Kahuna]

52. Not to mention the millions he pissed away on a pipe dream. nt

[Carolina]

53. I think its about a return to power

Love be damned. He wants back in the White Hose but can't run himself.

[marions ghost]

61. yep

they would operate as a team were they to get back in. It's as much a goal for him as for Hillary. They are equally ambitious, narcissist and conniving.

As for love, well I think it's long been established that their marriage fits the classic mold of the husband needing to have one woman as saintly mother and partner, and naughty women for other emotional needs. It's not just about sex. He may truly love and admire Hillary but he needs to have recreational floozies as part of the powerful man's reward system. JFK was the same. It's a sort of return to carefree adolescence too. You can see the pattern down through history. Nothing new. Male dominance ritual. Men in power easily get caught up in the sneaking around. Women like Monica are throwing themselves at them right and left. I highly doubt that Hillary is getting any such come-ons.

[Beacool]

103. You would be wrong.

Bill is lucky that Hillary is no slut, there are plenty of men who have the hots for her and would jump at the opportunity to have an affair with her.

[Carolina]

109. the hots for Hillary

oh puhleze, you are delusional

[Beacool]

110. Nope.

Met plenty of them while campaigning, some even young enough to be her sons.

Hillary is a very attractive woman who looks even prettier in person.

:eyes:

[Carolina]

115. yeah

sure :puke::crazy::silly::freak::dunce:

[NC_Nurse]

59. How would you know what his motives are? No one knows what goes on

inside a marriage besides the people in it. They have a very interesting relationship, for sure.

[WinkyDink]

60. Yeah, he's been the ideal husband.

Why do you think you know what's in anyone else's heart of hearts?
Perhaps what he "feels" is guilt, or lust for power once-removed, or relief she stuck by him now that he's older and with a weaker ticker, or thrilled at being in the game again, or....

love.

But only HE knows.

[frickaline]

71. There is no ideal husband.

We all play the cards we are dealt.

[Colobo]

63. Mmm... hopefully they love each other.

[ShortnFiery]

67. Bill Clinton loves BILL CLINTON.

As he has in the past, is feeling now, and he will ACT in the future. I bet Bubba's divorce papers are filed in "A New York Minute" if HRC is not coronated the Democratic Nominee.

IMO, their relationship is parasitic. Nothing more, nothing less.

[mkultra]

72. i woudl ove any woman that lets me sleep around

[ShortnFiery]

74. LOL, unless you've got a whole lotta "mean green" it probably won't happen.

If you do have big bucks, she'll most likely hire a private investigator and take ya for all you're worth.

The aberrant behaviors within "The Clinton marriage" are mostly restricted to the penchants of megalomaniac politicians.

[mkultra]

114. your bursting my bubble

I can try to be a megalomaniac if that would help.

[Alcibiades]

75. You're supposed to love your wife

Should we give him a cookie?

[Avalux]

76. Oh please. He's doing it out of his own desire to get back to the WH.

And probably guilt for all the shit he's put her through over the years.

[shadowknows69]

77. Shouldn't this be in the lounge?

[hendo]

78. helluva husband indeed

I still think she is goign to leave him once she doesn't get the nomination.

Right now he is in payback mode for all of the affairs.

[SeaLyons]

79. Nice Post...Thanks...

[Doityourself]

80. Ugh..

[gorekerrydreamticket]

82. Hmm, seems like if Bill loved Hillary, they would live in the same state/city/house....n/m

[iamthebandfanman]

84. i wont even go there.

i typically dont cheat on someone i love.

but thats just me.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

85. Though I have come to despise them, this is a beautiful picture! n/t

[Straight Shooter]

86. I admire anyone who remains faithful to the vow, "for better or worse, 'til death do us part."

As for me, if anyone "cheats" on me, then they find out my middle name is "FuckYouI'mGone." But I'm too full of pride to forgive, and that's just as much of a sin as cheating on someone, ain't it?

[mkultra]

118. well, not completly

i think that staying after one time is admirable, staying after two is very forgiving, staying after three is naive. But i think everyone has the right to expect monogamy.

[Straight Shooter]

123. "for better or worse"

Unconditional love. If he hit her, that would be a different matter altogether, but infidelity is just something that many married couples have to find their own way through the woods.

I can't judge what others decide to do or not do, because it's their lives to live. :hi:

[mkultra]

129. well, i think that better or worse doesnt mean voilence OR infedelity

but your right. Its up for each couple to work through,

[bunnies]

90. Bill is one of the major factors in her loss.

who the hell wants that kind of 'love'. Not me. No thanks.

[BklynChick]

91. I'm sure he loves her, but I think his motivation is to get himself back in the WH (big factor)

[GoesTo11]

94. I love my wife enough to not cheat on her, ever.

Who knows how many times Bill cheated on her, no matter how much it humiliated her?

[Zavulon]

101. Please.

Bill's public displays of affection towards her are no more genuine than her tears are. The fact that the two merely tolerate each other for political gain is the worst-kept secret in both D.C. and N.Y.

Further, I believe that his overzealous campaigning has hurt her cause, not helped it. Now for THAT, (plus his eight-year term, but especially for THAT) I'm extremely grateful to the man.

[Stephanie]

104. Exactly right.

And you can bet that if she were the nominee, the secret would be out to everyone by November.

[yui]

106. Hmmm...

Probably Bill Clinton does love his wife. They certainly have an unconventional marriage, but that doesn't necessarily preclude love.

However, anyone who can't see that Bill's frantic campaigning is for the purpose of getting himself back in the White House is surely blind. He always said being President was the most fun he ever had.

Likewise, anyone who can't see that Hillary is the antithesis of a feminist is deluded. I actually feel very sorry for her. She's spent her whole life accommodating her husband, both personally and publicly. I used to think she did it because of her own ambition, but now I'm not so sure. I honestly think she's doing this for Bill. Just like in everything else she's done in her life with him, she'll be the dutiful wife.

I think Hillary loves Bill madly - I literally think she would do anything for him. Based on her behavior throughout their marriage, I would venture that had the course of their lives together gone differently, she could very well have been an abused wife sticking by her man through thick and thin.

If, by some nefarious means (and at this point it's the only way it'll happen) the Clintons get the Democratic nomination, Bill will slip right back into his previous role (which a lot of people would be very happy with) with Hillary playing the part of President.

They are actually a very traditional couple when it comes to pre-feminist male-female roles.

[4_Legs_Good]

107. Fan-freaking-tastic photo!!!

I've never seen that one. It's totally awesome, and makes me remember why I liked these two so much. Watching early 90's footage of them just after they started in the White House is also very touching. Taking the city by storm.

I'm reminded of the recent election episode of the Simpsons, though, when Bill is pounding Hillary Lawn Signs all over Springfield, and he calls her up and asks "How many more of these am I going to have to do?" and she makes some inaudible response, and then He responds, "What did I ever do to deserve this?" She says something inaudible and he responds, "You're never going to let that go, are you?"

I had to laugh I like hell!

David

[AtomicKitten]

111. That's not love - that's ruthless blind ambition.

:thumbsdown:

[smiley_glad_hands]

112. Not my place to question there relationship. eom

[Lilith Velkor]

116. He didn't sacrifice his legacy - the Democratic Party did that

Gawd forbid we should have the example of the Clinton administration to hold up against the Bush disaster. Why, we might actually win the 2008 election or something. :scared:

[Bucky]

119. It's so heartening to see the two of them together.

The country went through hell because Republicans wanted to use a weakness in their personal lives agaisnt all the progress they represented. Sure, they compromised all sorts of ways along the road to power. They also did a lot of good in the world. You'll never catch me being ungrateful to them, even if I'm not supporting their candidacy, and even if I'm pissed at how they're running her campaign this year.

They'll always wear the white hats in my book.

[sepdxdem]

126. Great picture

makes me wish I wasn't so mad at them both right now.

[Occam Bandage]

127. That's a gorgeous picture of her.

[theboss]

128. I've never tried to understand that marriage

It could be love in its purest form.

It could be a Machiavellian deal that would scare Stalin.

Who knows?

Who can hazard a guess?

[polichick]

130. Could we all chip in and send them on a long second honeymoon?!?

[Swamp Rat]

131. and Jenna loves her lil' chickenhawk

:D

[slinkerwink]

132. I'm sure he does love her.

[EmilyAnne]

133. That's a very sweet picture. I agree that Bill is definitely sticking by Hillary through thick and

thin, just as she stuck by him through some really tough times. They must love each other and its obvious that they are crazy about their daughter and vice versa.