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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:13 AM
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"Clinton's Two-State Two-Step"...Harold Meyerson tells the gospel truth.
Excellent job, sir. Thank you. This is much needed on the eve of a lawsuit and a few days before the hearing.

Clinton's Two-State Two-Step

On Saturday, when the Rules Committee of the Democratic National Committee meets to determine the fate of Florida and Michigan's delegations to this summer's convention, it will have some company. A group of Hillary Clinton supporters has announced it will demonstrate outside.

That Clinton has impassioned supporters, many of whom link her candidacy to the feminist cause, hardly qualifies as news. And it's certainly true that along the campaign trail Clinton has encountered some outrageously sexist treatment, just as Barack Obama has been on the receiving end of bigoted treatment. (Obama has even been subjected to anti-Muslim bigotry despite the fact that he's not Muslim.) But somehow, a number of Clinton supporters have come to identify the seating of Michigan and Florida not merely with Clinton's prospects but with the causes of democracy and feminism -- an equation that makes a mockery of democracy and feminism. Clinton herself is largely responsible for this absurdity. Over the past couple of weeks, she has equated the seating of the two delegations with African Americans' struggle for suffrage in the Jim Crow South, and with the efforts of the democratic forces in Zimbabwe to get a fair count of the votes in their presidential election.


Harold continues.

But the Clintonistas who have called Saturday's demonstration make it sound as if they'll be marching in Selma in support of a universal right to vote. The DNC, says one of their Web sites, "must honor our core democratic principles and enfranchise the people of Michigan and Florida."

Had Florida and Michigan conducted their primaries the way the other 48 states conducted their own primaries and caucuses -- that is, in accord with the very clear calendar laid down by the DNC well before the primaries began -- then Clinton's marchers would be utterly justified in their claims. But when the two states flouted those rules by moving their primaries outside the prescribed time frame, the DNC, which gave neither state a waiver to do so, decreed that their primaries would not count and enjoined all presidential candidates from campaigning in those states. Obama and John Edwards complied with the DNC's dictates by removing their names from the Michigan ballot. Clinton did not.


There is a lot more good stuff about rules in between. He concludes with this.

Clinton's supporters have every right to demonstrate on Saturday, of course. But their larger cause is neither democracy nor feminism; it's situational ethics. To insist otherwise is to degrade democracy and turn feminism into the last refuge of scoundrels.


This has been an outrageous use of my state to try to win a nomination she has already lost.

More articles like this, please. Now is the time.


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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:16 AM
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1. Proud to be the first rec.
You are a warrior. Inauguration day, I vow to pick up your tab.

Excellent article which points out the silliness of equating democracy and feminism with what happened in MI and FL (which was a failure of leadership on the part of the state democratic parties).
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 12:52 AM
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44. ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO HILLARY
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:18 AM
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2. Rec #5- to the "Greatest Page" with you! nm
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:17 PM
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33. NICE sig line and
avatar dicksteele!
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:19 AM
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3. he is spot on.
it mocks true feminism.
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:21 AM
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4. Should be required reading
kick and recommend.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:23 AM
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5. Oh, yeah!!!
:applause::woohoo: :applause: :woohoo: :applause:
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:23 AM
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6. thank you, MadF, for updating us on this chaos...
every day, you keep us informed as to the latest twists and turns. You are awesome. :toast:
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:09 AM
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7. I don't know who the guy is that wrote the article
Edited on Wed May-28-08 01:10 AM by davidpdx
but he hits the nail on the head. It's too bad people can't look beyond the situation itself and see what is coming for us head on like a freight train out of control.

Edit: I'd like to revise and extend my remarks:

"Kicked and Reommended" :kick:
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:19 AM
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9. The Obama campaign has requested that his supporters NOT arrange a counter demonstration
(that I saw on dailykos was being organized)--instead, the energy should be spent on registering new voters! Good idea.

It would be nice if someone would point out to Hillary's more rabid supporters that one of our CORE VALUES is following the rules!
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musiclawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:58 PM
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18. Harold Meyerson is a good guy
A ture progressive. Based out of LA, and the LA Weekly for years, he's been in Washington for a few years now. He writes somewhat infrequently now, or that's how it seems. I wish he'd come back to the west coast.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:17 AM
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8. Meyerson is spot on!
As other DUer's have asked, where was Hilary Clinton in 2000? If counting every vote is so important to her, where was she then?

Oh, that's right.

She wasn't running then, so I guess it didn't count.

The BS being pulled by her and her campaign is NOT feminism; it's "me-ism", and I'm damned tired of it!

Thanks for posting this, madfloridian. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:33 PM
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22. Her right hand man- terry mc was there
exactly what did he do? Did he do everything he could, or did he just let it slide? That is what I would like to know.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:23 PM
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34. "Meism" is what hilary is all about, all right..
That and the little girl who cried "SEXISM" one too many times.


While perpetually gearing up her victimhood Fastball.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:21 AM
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10. K/R.
:kick:
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jordi_fanclub Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:12 AM
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11. K&R (n/t)
:kick:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:46 PM
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12. Speaking of "situational ethics"....I was reminded of this.
Dean calls McCain a "situational ethicist"

I don't know why I remembered that, but it seems apt. Video from Crooks and Liars
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:05 PM
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20. "...he runs on his integrity, but he doesn’t seem to have any."
Bada-bing-bada-boom.
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nenagh Donating Member (657 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 03:15 AM
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46. Thank you Madfloridian for your outrage and your many posts
I've begun to wonder if Hill's 'anything could happen' talking point might refer to her inside knowledge of a poss Iran attack. She is 'the strongest candidate', Obama 'is elitist' etc.

Hope I'm very wrong.
'
Good luck on Saturday, Take care...

















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treblemaker Donating Member (30 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 10:30 AM
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47. That notion deserves its own thread
if it doesn't already have at least one. This was an early fear of mine, too, and it hasn't abated.
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nenagh Donating Member (657 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 03:40 PM
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48. Scott McLellan's book may defuse the power of propaganda

from the WH, but Hillary's hard fighting, shot drinking, 'never give up' persona might just be more appealing to the Dems at the conference if an attack on Iran were to happen.

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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:25 PM
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13. I think Harold is my new favorite writer. k&r
:kick:
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:29 PM
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14. "Situational ethics" sums up the entire Clinton campaign for some time now.
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:35 PM
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23. Ayn Rand
Another indication of where the Clinton's loyalties lie - situational ethics is just another form of Ayn Rand's objectivism which of course the "neo-con artists" adopted as their manifesto. To be fair to the "neo-con artists" at least they have some sense of ethics. The Clintons, to be blunt, have absolutely none. But then neither do the Bushes.

And there is, really, just one dynasty. Which Hillary Clinton, and the Bushes, intend to see continue.

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:31 PM
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15. Thanks for keeping the bastids honest, mf.
:toast:

K&R
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madwivoter Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:35 PM
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16. K&R
Thanks for posting...
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PatGund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:43 PM
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17. Two nights ago....
....I was playing "Monopoly Jr." with my six-year old daughter and my fiance

My daughter won. I didn't change the rules to favour me. I didn't argue some spaces were worth more than others. I didn't claim that if we had been playing the adult version of Monopoly, I would have won, so I should be granted the win.

No. We followed the rules of the game we were playing. And she won, I lost.

If a six-year old girl can understand the concept of "playing by the rules", why can't Sen. Clinton or the Democratic Parties in Florida and Michigan?

Especially since it was people on Sen. Clinton's campaign staff that WROTE those rules in the first place.

She knew the rules going in. She shouldn't complain that she lost, and she shouldn't keep trying to change the rules to pull a win out of her loss.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:03 PM
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19. "If a six-year old girl can understand the concept ..."
Indeed.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:29 PM
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35. Cheats at scrabble too
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:23 PM
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21. DLC= designated party of failure
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:31 PM
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37. Dino Losers' Club.
Made of greed and quicksand.
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:34 PM
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41. Dreadful Losers Coalition n/t
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 05:36 PM
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24. So what makes everyone believe they are Democrats?
It wouldn't be nice if we allowed repubs to change some rules.
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:10 PM
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25. Excellent as usual, madfloridian.
K&R! :kick:
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:27 PM
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26. "situational ethics"
that is perfect.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:34 PM
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27. recc'd again!!
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BigAnth Donating Member (285 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:39 PM
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28. Yes, but there is one problem with this arguement.....
It is based on LOGIC!!!!
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:40 PM
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29. Well Written
Edited on Wed May-28-08 07:41 PM by fascisthunter
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:01 PM
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30. Reminds me of the GOP protestors at the FL recounts.
That wasn't about democracy either.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:16 PM
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31. Thank you, Harold Meyerson and Madfloridian!
I keep wondering where hilary and bil were when the bushites were staging a coup in Florida in 2000?
Where was the outrage from the clintons?
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:17 PM
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32. great post!
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:29 PM
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36. Amen, brother. Can I get a witness!
What a great find, madfloridian. Thanks for all you do to try to keep this place sane. :grouphug:
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trickyguy Donating Member (461 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:51 PM
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38. Makes a lot of sense to me but I'm almost afraid to say it. Hillary's wrath must be awsome to behold
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:06 PM
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39. Clinton's campaign is becoming creepy
there's something not right
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:43 PM
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40. More faux outrage
She plans to keep this thing going until the convention, at least.
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:38 PM
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42. And WHY isn't anyone talking about how she would have been out of it MONTHS ago if she couldn't
afford to loan her campaign MILLIONS????

The best "enfranchisement" money can buy!
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:43 PM
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43. We must fight for the seating of the FL Republicans
They've been disenfranchised!
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:32 AM
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45. IF IT REPRESENTS FEMS.... WHY IS FLORIDA SHAPED LIKE A PENIS
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 03:42 PM
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49. Kick !!!
:kick:
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