Breaking News: Judge rules in favor of DNC

[hokies4ever]

A judge has ruled that the Democratic National Committee has the right to determine whether to seat Florida delegates.

(headline on cnn.com: more to come later)

[mcctatas]

1. And, cue calls for his removal from the bench....

whining, foot stomping and from the insane Hillbots on that other site, thinly veiled death threats...

[SoonerPride]

2. The DNC can have a game of tiddlywinks to determine who the candidate is.

There is no right to participate in the selection process.

Anyone who says otherwise is a fool.

[Max_powers94]

3. Well that is that...lets get into the GE already

[Lucky 13]

4. There IS justice!

WE are an unstoppable force for change... and we have RIGHT on our side. Feels good, doesn't it?

[hokies4ever]

7. It's a shame that Hillary supporters must be told this

Political parties aren't protected by the Constitution. I think that George Washington even condemned political parties. People need to stop trying to get the courts involved in these types of intra-party decisions.

[Tyler Durden]

10. Just the sort of nose rubbing/grave dancing bullshit that will lose the election.

I'm starting to not care anymore.

[AllentownJake]

13. For You

:rofl: GoBama :rofl:

:smoke:

[Lucky 13]

17. What exactly is nose-rubbing/grave-dancing?

A court decided what is fair and ruled in our favor... as we expected. This is a victory for the Obama camp and after all we've been through, today we can breathe a little easier.

If you don't like hearing about the news and Obama supporters reaction to the news, there are other forums for you.

[Tyler Durden]

26. Oh I SEE! This is now OBAMA UNDERGROUND.

You know what? you and people like you are creating an entire group of people who not only will not vote for Obama, but are looking forward to his inevitable DEFEAT.

And it's rubbing someone's nose in shit, and dancing on the grave of someone else's hopes. Astounding I have to explain this to you.

[mcctatas]

30. Because people were rude to them on a website??????

"Screw what's best for the country, you hurt my feelings" :cry:

:wtf:

[Alexander]

33. If you hope for Obama's defeat, you were never a real Democrat to begin with.

[Tyler Durden]

45. I've been a registered Democrat since 1968...

And to MY observation your "Centrist" Obama is about as much a Democrat as my Dead Republican Uncle.

[northernsoul]

76. with all due respect

although I disagree with Tyler Durden regarding his preference for presidential nominee, I can vouch that he's been a long-time DUer who's made great contributions here. I prefer to refrain from speculating about who is/was/never will be a "real Democrat."

[SemiCharmedQuark]

36. If people vote based on what annonymous people on a messageboard say, well..

they probably weren't quite right to begin with.

[mckeown1128]

56. If you basing your vote based on what Lucky17 is saying..

then you are an idiot. lol

[pnorman]

74. "Obama Underground"??? Here's my reply to when that term came up a few days ago"

That our DU Community seems to favor Obama by a WIDE majority (probably close to 8:1), seems to be pretty obvious to all by now. Does that make it less "Democratic"? Are we now the "swinish multitude", reputedly how Alexander Hamilton castigated the popular majority in his times? Fie on thee, aristocratic swine!

pnorman
PS:

[smiley_glad_hands]

80. There is no pleasing you, so why bother? eom

[Lucky 13]

81. No, this is not Obama Underground.

There are Obama, Hillary, Edwards, Kucinich, Dodd, Biden, Richardson and many other types of supporters here. Everyone can post and respond as they see fit. Are you angry that there are more Obama supporters here than Hillary supporters? How can anyone help that? How can you be angry that the majority of posters have a difference of opinion than you?

Look...
Your side celebrates when you win victories... like WVA and KY.
Our side celebrates when we win victories... like NC and OR and this morning's court decision.

This is a place for all democrats to express their opinions, feelings, triumphs, defeats, etc. If you can't handle people being happy about something that doesn't go your way, you probably need to take a break or something.

When it became apparent Kerry was our nominee, it was a painful time for many people who had had such high hopes for Dean or Clark or whoever. And with each passing day, a few more people began to support our eventual nominee. That's what happens. It's not that the place had become KERRY UNDERGROUND.

She can't win, Tyler. Playing by the rules, she has lost. And no one is going to change the rules just to suit her. That's clear now.
She's lying to you, Tyler. She keeps amping up her supporters to think she still has a shot when everyone knows that she doesn't. She needs to concede gracefully, if for no other reason than to let decent Democrats who support her, like you, to move on and begin embracing our nominee... if you are so inclined.

I am sorry if I offended you. Honestly. But I was just expressing how I feel... isn't everyone entitled to that?

[nichomachus]

29. Right -- Hillary supporters would NEVER do anything like that

[Tyler Durden]

50. I have a really STUPID question for you....

If ALL the delegates voted to Clinton in MI and FL were counted and NONE counted for Obama, he'd still be ahead, wouldn't he?

So what exactly is YOUR PROBLEM?

[nichomachus]

69. You're right -- it was a stupid question

[Tyler Durden]

85. thanks for proving my point.

Stupid decisions, supported by stupid people.

[galloglas]

70. So you're saying

Hillary is behind in The Marathon, so what is the harm in some entity giving her a boost and moving her miles ahead in the race, as long as Obama is still a few feet ahead? That doesn't sound like any race to me!


Wake me back up when the jennifer flowers and the lewinskys are back in bloom.

[Tyler Durden]

86. typical RW talking points.

Shame on you.

And I get accused of not behaving like a Democrat. Gingrich would be proud of you.

[gal]

77. For me it's easy...

1. Hillary don't get to change the rule on this when it suits her
2. (Most importantly) This shows the other 48 states they were correct in abiding by the rules, the DNC does have the authority to set. This is not just about these 2 states, its about how each state in the country acts now and in the future.

[Tyler Durden]

84. Keep making it Clinton. Michigan will Remember.

I've already heard it on some radio, from both sides, right and left. DNC excused NH, IA and SC. they could have excused MI and FL.

BIG fucking mistake.

[Tatiana]

54. What do you have against justice?

There was precedent and this was a fair decision; indeed, the only decision that could be made.

[Tyler Durden]

82. How about being from MICHIGAN?

my votes have not counted once too many times.

And that is ONCE.

[SoFlaJet]

59. then GO THE FUCK AWAY already

we don't NEED your vote...we'll still win without you-you are NOT that important and certainly not worth us having to suffer your shit day after day.

[MrsT]

5. Did anyone think there woulde be a different outcome?

I didn't.

[suston96]

6. Oh, gee - whatta surprise.... nt

[AllentownJake]

8. Judge rules against greatest Civil Rights Struggle of our Generation

:sarcasm:

[hokies4ever]

11. MLK is rolling over in his grave

:rofl:

[Barack_America]

78. Breaking: Ghandi has started another hunger strike.

nt

[susankh4]

9. Of course they have the right.

That's a no brainer.

But... will they concede Florida to Mr. McCain? That's the question.

[SoonerPride]

12. um, ok.

You know the RNC cut their delegates in half right?

[AllentownJake]

16. Move along

DNC is evil and hates Florida and all of its citizens...please don't try to talk rationally.

Don't use logic. Hurts Brain. Emotional outcrys all I understand.

[hokies4ever]

20. Please keep logic out of your argument

Hillary supporters that demand full delegation seating might not like it. :rofl:

[PBS Poll-435]

21. ZOMG

Does that mean Rudy spent 50 Mil for a half of a delegate?

[AllentownJake]

23. I think he got two

However if he only got one...yes he did.

[Fire_brand]

28. ha ha

[susankh4]

22. You been listening to Charlie Crist?

He's makin it sound like the RNC... LOVES 'em some Florida. While the DNC hates 'em.

Enough of this rules and bylaws crap. Seat the delegates and be done with it...

[SoonerPride]

25. Cut them in half and then seat them in FL. No full allocation like Clinton demands.

That would be OK.

[AllentownJake]

27. Nope

Examples need to be set for future party rule breakers and crying war mongers that might want to follow in a certain war monger from NYs foot steps.

[susankh4]

34. Go ahead and set your little example.

While McCain walkes down Pennsylvania Ave in the fall. With Charlie Crist as his VP.

Yeah... that's right. You can wave a sign that says "we followed the rules."

[AllentownJake]

39. Guess what

I'm not counting on Florida even with Senator Clinton because Florida is a bananna republic.

Katherine Harris was in the position to screw us last time because she was elected to statewide office.

Its going GOP no matter what. Differenec is if we spend 30 million looking for the fountain of Electoral Votes again this time or invest in other places.

[susankh4]

47. So you are conceding Florida to McCain?

Just like you are West Virginia and Kentucky?

Does that go for Pennsylvania and Ohio as well?

[SoonerPride]

The RNC cut their delegates in half. Are they going to lose FL now?

If not, why not?

Your posts make no sense.

[SoonerPride]

48. The RNC cut their delegates in half. Are they going to lose FL now?

If not, why not?

Your posts make no sense.

[AllentownJake]

53. PA and OH will be fine

they have democratic govenors which should cut down on shenanigans. In a fair election we will win there, same with Michigan.

WV and KY I'm conceding regardless of who the nominee is.

Florida with a Crist on the ticket will go to McCain because they've fixxed the election once. They'll do it again.

[SwampG8r]

58. wont happen

charlie wont make it past the selection process with mccain

[SemiCharmedQuark]

32. And the MSM made it seem like Bush was a cowboy war hero and Kerry was a coward

Doesn't mean that that was the truth.

[susankh4]

35. But he still won!

What part of W-I-N don't you understand?

[SemiCharmedQuark]

37. I understand that whoever "WINS" the most delegates "WINS" the nomination.

[susankh4]

43. Yes. And that includes ALL the delegates.

Because we are gonna need them all to win in November.

And then some...

[SemiCharmedQuark]

44. No. The best they can do is half. Which is exactly what the RNC did. So neither party is more

"florida friendly" than the other.

[susankh4]

49. So then why don't they do that?

And get on with it? Instead of making this an ordeal?

[SoonerPride]

51. Because Clinton wants to seat ALL the delegates. She's the one making a stink about it.

Or haven't you been paying attention?

[SemiCharmedQuark]

52. They probably will end up doing that. But even if they had said they were going to seat 50%

Clinton would almost assuredly STILL be fighting for 100% because her spokesperson is saying that only 100% seating is acceptable.

[SoonerPride]

46. So, if the DNC follows the rules and does what the RNC did and seats 1/2, we lose FL in the fall?

Care to explain how the Dems suffer by behaving exactly like the RNC in this regard?

You "logic" makes no sense.

[demokatgurrl]

38. at least they counted half. n/t

[SemiCharmedQuark]

40. And that is probably what is going to happen with the DNC. It won't change a thing.

[SoonerPride]

42. As will the DNC. Watch.

MI, however, is a whole other can of worms.

[Doityourself]

14. Judge meet bus. Bus meet judge.

[grantcart]

15. On MSNBC they just asked the State Chair and told her that the rules prohibit

the rules committee giving more than 50% and she basically accepted that this would be an acceptable outcome.

[iamthebandfanman]

18. appealing to supreme court

is what i heard.

some people just dont know when to quit.
all these people musta been raised by the clintons growing up.

[Max_powers94]

24. What is with these people.....If this go to the courts we will be all doomed-dd

[AllentownJake]

31. Doubt the USSC wants to create

precedent for intra party politics clogging up the Federal Court System.

[SoFlaJet]

60. I expected no less from them

From americanstranger Fri May-23-08 05:15 PM

An imaginary hearing....


Judge: Why is the plaintiff filing this suit?

Plaintiff: Because the DNC told us if we moved our primary, the results wouldn't count and our delegates would not be seated.

Judge: So what happened then?

Plaintiff: We moved our primary, and the results didn't count and the delegates have not been seated.

Judge: Case dismissed. Next....

[berni_mccoy]

19. Those Activist Liberal Judges! Making Up Laws. How Dare They!!!1!

:sarcasm:

[Bensthename]

41. Problem for Hillary: Supers and Judges are educated and smart which is always bad for Hillary.

The smart, educated, and informed are all pro Obama.. Not good for Hillary.

[book_worm]

55. So this will be on it's way to the US Supreme Court?

[WeDidIt]

57. This also BREAKING: Sky is blue! n/t

[flpoljunkie]

61. Article now up on CNN: Florida Court Throws Out DNC Suit

May 28, 2008
Florida court throws out DNC suit
Posted: 10:45 AM ET

A Florida court threw out a lawsuit Wednesday challenging the Democratic Party's decision not to seat delegates from Florida.

(CNN) — A Florida court threw out a lawsuit Wednesday challenging the Democratic Party's decision not to seat delegates from Florida — as litigants prepared to appeal the case to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Political consultant Victor DiMaio and his lawyer Michael Steinberg had compared the party's decision to earlier prohibitions against allowing African-Americans to vote and invoked the trauma of the Florida recount in the 2000 contest between Al Gore and George W. Bush, both arguments also used by Hillary Clinton to support the seating of the state’s delegates.

"This is nuts. This is not right. How can they remove Florida after all the things that Florida has suffered through– hanging chads, through Bush v Gore, and they're sticking it to us again," DiMaio said before the hearing.

Democratic Party chairman Howard Dean says the situations are not comparable.

"You cannot violate the rules of the process and then expect to get forgiven for it," he said.

Judge Richard Lazarra sided with the party, saying political parties have the right to make their own rules.

DiMaio's is the second Florida lawsuit protesting the Democratic Party's decision to be thrown out of court. An earlier one filed by Sen. Bill Nelson and Rep. Alcee Hastings, both Florida Democrats, was also dismissed.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/28/florida-court-throws-out-dnc-suit/

[bunnies]

62. Sexism! Sexism! Sexism!

Its a conspiracy against Hillary!!
:sarcasm:

[JVS]

63. Long live Howard Dean!

[flpoljunkie]

64. And Dean's 50 State Strategy!

[AllentownJake]

67. Dean is a Genius

May he prosper long in the leadership of our great party!

[madfloridian]

65. It won't stop Dimaio and Steinberg...they will head to the Supreme Court

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/2024

[AllentownJake]

68. Fine

The Supereme Court I'm sure is anxious to give the federal courts jurisdiction over intra-party rules battles.

[localroger]

72. The SC has to agree to hear the case

I believe the chances that they would do so are close enough to zero that only the Hubble Space Telescope could detect them.

[stratomagi]

66. Hey how about no surprise there. nt

[cbc5g]

71. How long til Ferraro whines over at Fox again?

:)

[madfloridian]

73. From a Tampa blog...DiMaio already refiled.

CNN's Susan Candiotti is reporting on CNN radio that Dimaio will file a simultaneous appeal to the Federal Appeals Court in Atlanta and the U.S. Supreme Court.

Posted by: fldem | May 28, 2008 at 12:23 PM

[TexasObserver]

75. Which ruling was completely predictable.

The Clintons knew that was going to happen, but they have to try.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

79. Well duh.

There's plenty of precedent.

This shouldn't come as any surprise to anybody who knows anything about party politics.

[AtomicKitten]

83. Of course they do.

This point has been litigated over and over again, still with the same result. The parties are entitled to run elections according to their rules.

It appears Ms. Flick is running out of bullshit.