Fact: Hillary Clinton Is 100% Justified In Staying In The Race. Try And Accept That.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

When you're this far in the game, and more Democrats think you are the stronger candidate to take on the opposition in November than your rival candidate, then you'd have to be just plain stupid to drop out after having come that far.

Yes, even with all mud slung at her, even with all the odds against her, even with everything that's gone on, at this moment more Democrats think she'd do better against McCain than Obama would. Now given that statistic, how far along we are and the fact that the ENTIRE POINT OF THE PRIMARY is to pick the strongest candidate to take on the opposition in November, if you don't think that ALONE is justification for remaining in a hard fought primary then you're likely not thinking at all.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/fewer_democrats_want_hillary_to_drop_out

snip
"Overall, Democrats are evenly divided as to which candidate would be a better general election candidate against John McCain. Forty-six percent (46%) view Clinton as the stronger candidate while 44% say Obama will do better."

[anonymous171]

1. 2% difference, tie.

[DeeDeeNY]

118. The polls are meaningless for another reason as will

There are Hillary supporters who will say when polled that if it's a choice between McLame and Hillary they'll vote for Hillary, but if it's between McLame and Obama, they will vote for McLame, hoping to skew the poll to make it look like Hillary would be a stronger candidate.

[Zuiderelle]

2. Agreed.

[WeDidIt]

3. She can't win

After Tuesday, it's over.

If she stays in after that, she's become a saboteur and nothing else.

[SoFlaJet]

****DING*****

thank you IWantAnyDem

[Mike L]

94. She can win the primary. SDs can vote for whomever they wish at the convention.

The ones that said they will vote for BO can change their minds.

[berni_mccoy]

99. She only needs 99% of them at this point too...

[DarienComp]

4. That's not a fact.

[fascisthunter]

5. lol

[TwilightGardener]

6. Let's let the SD's snatch the nomination away from the black guy

on the basis of a GOP pollster's meaningless results. Good idea.

[SeaLyons]

63. It's that attitude that's going to cause us to lose the GE

and I for one am sick and tired of the threat that seems to go along with "away from the black guy".
I don't care what color or gender wins this damn nomination - they just better be the one that can beat McCain.

[Butch350]

77. 65. It's that attitude that's going to cause us to lose the GE

If Barack doesn't beat McInsane Hillary wouldn't beat him either. I THINK YOU CLINTONAIDE DRINKERS KNOW THIS TOO!

[SeaLyons]

84. Wrong, there is no doubt that Hillary beats McSame...

absolutely NO doubt.

[TwilightGardener]

102. LOL! There is doubt, trust me. Fucking delusional, you are.

[beac]

115. Um, there's PLENTY of doubt.

Hillary continues to have a SIXTY PERCENT disapproval rating.

And Obama will beat McCain, period.


FYI:

(CNN)–The CNN general election national poll of polls now shows both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton leading John McCain McCain by two points: 46 percent to 44 percent.

The last general election poll of polls — released May 15 — showed Obama leading McCain by five points (48 percent to 43 percent) and Clinton leading McCain by four points (48 percent to 44 percent).

NATIONAL GENERAL ELECTION POLL OF POLLS*

May 15-27

Voters’ Choice for President

Obama: 46 percent

McCain: 44 percent

Unsure: 10 percent

NATIONAL GENERAL ELECTION POLL OF POLLS*
May 15-27
Voters’ Choice
for President

Clinton: 46 percent
McCain: 44 percent
Unsure: 10 percent

*The national general election “poll of polls” consists of three surveys: Gallup (May 22-25/27), Newsweek (May 21-22), and Reuters/Zogby (May 15-18). The poll of polls does not have a sampling error.

[roseBudd]

126. Wrong, there is no doubt that Obama beats McSame...

absolutely NO doubt.


Because I typed it, it is so.

[indimuse]

116. bingo!

k & r :)

[Mike L]

96. "the black guy". hummmm........

[Auntie Bush]

107. We'd dare not take it away from a black guy and give it to a white woman!

:scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared: :scared:
Is there going to be Revelation?

[roseBudd]

127. Exactly take, and give to, which is the only way, since she has not won, & likely won't

And there is the fact that taking it from the black guy who is winning to give to the white woman who was outmaneuvered (can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen according to Bill)

If you don't get why that is wrong, then you might be a member of the race that has historically benefited from white privelige in the United States.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

7. yes, I know. You were for her before you were against her before you were for her.

[Name removed]

13. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

15. I Have Never Been Against Her, So Not Sure What You're Talkin About.

Geez, try reality sometime, k? Thanks.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

48. It's a little hard to tell sometimes where you come down. You're pro-Obama, but giving Clinton....

your implicit blessing to tear apart the party.

Or are you still pro-Obama? i'm just asking, 'cause I really can't tell.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5272477

[mrreowwr_kittty]

95. I've never bought it for one second.

OMC does NOTHING but defend Clinton on this board, no matter what she does.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

101. She Deserves Defending.

Just because I support Obama to win the nomination doesn't mean I had to become an empty minded hateful twit zealot to do so. See, I can support Obama and still respect and like Hillary, while considering her a good Democrat. Obama gets way more than enough defense on this board. I defend Hillary because of the amount of ignorant, empty headed, asinine and completely irrational shit that's thrown at her from many here. See, I defend those who get dragged through the mud and slandered to degrees that are unwarranted. So doubt me all you want. I tend to enjoy getting on the nerves of the closed minded and ignorant.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

103. But you seem to defend anything she does, indiscriminately.

I'll grant you that some of the things she is slammed for are silly and inconsequential but she has also made some colossally stupid blunders in this campaign for which she richly deserves to be rebuked. Your default position seems to be that any criticism of Hillary Clinton is automatically ignorant, empty headed, asinine, and completely irrational, while simultaneously adopting a curious policy of silence when Obama (ostensibly your candidate) is being dragged through the mud and slandered. Are you suggesting that it's not unwarranted when it happens to him? I understand wanting to be fair and reasonable, but I find your behavior to be oddly out-of-proportion.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

105. Ummmmmmmmm No.

I defend what deserves to be defended, and if I say the position is ignorant, asinine etc it's simply because it is.

As far as the out-of-proportion thing goes, not sure how much more simply I can explain that Obama already has more than enough numbers here to defend him without my defense being necessary, whereas the Hillary side could most definitely use every voice in defense they can get. Not sure why you're having such a hard time grasping such a readily understandable concept.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

114. Are you kidding?

I realize the tide of DU has shifted and Obama supporters predominate now but it's not like there's not an active army of Clinton supporters (along with a regular influx of spammers and trolls) still very much making their presence known. Again, I don't fault you for defending her when the attacks are ludicrous or personal, I do it myself, but there does seem to be a kneejerk characteristic to your constant willingness to jump to her aid. You alluded to as much in a post I found in your journal about the Geraldine Ferraro comment.

As soon as I learned about Ferraro's comments I was immediately bothered by them. But because of my DU addiction and the tone of GDP, instead of focusing directly on that issue I instead felt inclined to protect Hillary from the backlash, since I knew some would try and connect it to her. At the time, knowing how disgusted I had been, I felt confident that Hillary would quite quickly condemn with force those remarks and issue an unmistakably clear statement that such comments are reprehensible. Unfortunately, as I type this right now, that hasn't occurred and it is too late to change that.

I've seen defenses of Ferraro's statements, and I let many slide because lord knows the Clinton side here gets beat up enough already. But there is a line sometimes that transcends politics and candidates, and racism is one of them.

It's a brilliant post and I commend you for your self-examination in the passage I quoted. I think you might want to revisit this concept if she doesn't drop out next week, barring some game-changing development. Taking this to the convention would be a disaster for the Dems.

[indimuse]

117. I wanna Thank You!

Means a lot, just a lil' respect and rational...goes a long way. :)

[NC_Nurse]

8. She has a right to, but IS she right too? Not much longer if we don't want to

lose....

[JoFerret]

130. For the sake of unity and victory in November

you could urge Obama to drop out now. For the sake of the country and our hopes for the future.

[SeaLyons]

9. Hillary is the strongest candidate.....

she is the one that can beat McSame.

[PassingFair]

14. Interesting Freudian slip of the typing fingers, there....

"she is the one who can BE McSame."

Indeed.

:eyes:

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

22. LOL!! You beat me to it! n/t

[tammywammy]

47. LOL

[samdogmom]

52. Wow! Do you know what you just said?

Hillary = McSame!

If you mean this, I agree!

[SoFlaJet]

16. you're so right cricket

she IS the one that can be McSame

[fascisthunter]

26. now you are catching on...slowly

but you are just about there.

[shomino]

39. "she is the one that can be McSame." -QFT

[Doityourself]

44. yep that's why she has the most delegates, won the most states, has the pop vote & raised more money

[Douglas Carpenter]

51. she is the one that can "be" McSame. - Now YOU said that

[SeaLyons]

65. ooooops....okay, that's funny...

the edit has been made.

GO HILLARY!!!!!

[AllentownJake]

10. FACT

I don't care what any stupid poll you want to cite has to say.

[blogslut]

11. meh

blah blah blah

[George_Bonanza]

12. She's a strong 2nd choice, but that's as good as it gets for her

Obama leads in the one gold standard: delegates. He even leads in the faulty "popular vote" count unless you employ creative bookkeeping worthy of Enron.

[Cant trust em]

17. The fact that you even have to post this is an indicator of where we are. NT

[Douglas Carpenter]

18. " Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democ

" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

"The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are included, the Democrats enjoy a 260-240 Electoral College lead (see summary of recent state-by-state results). Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 63.4% chance of winning the White House in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants). "

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

"The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are included, the Democrats enjoy a 260-240 Electoral College lead (see summary of recent state-by-state results). Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 63.4% chance of winning the White House in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants). "

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

"The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are included, the Democrats enjoy a 260-240 Electoral College lead (see summary of recent state-by-state results). Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 63.4% chance of winning the White House in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants). "

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

"The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are included, the Democrats enjoy a 260-240 Electoral College lead (see summary of recent state-by-state results). Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 63.4% chance of winning the White House in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants). "

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

"The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are included, the Democrats enjoy a 260-240 Electoral College lead (see summary of recent state-by-state results). Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 63.4% chance of winning the White House in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants). "

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

"The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are included, the Democrats enjoy a 260-240 Electoral College lead (see summary of recent state-by-state results). Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 63.4% chance of winning the White House in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants). "

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

"The Rasmussen Reports Balance of Power Calculator shows Democrats leading in states with 200 Electoral Votes while the GOP has the advantage in states with 189. When “leaners” are included, the Democrats enjoy a 260-240 Electoral College lead (see summary of recent state-by-state results). Rasmussen Markets data gives Democrats a 63.4% chance of winning the White House in November (results are updated on a 24/7 basis by market participants). "

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

" Rasmussen Reports believes the race is over and that Barack Obama will be the nominee of the Democratic Party. We will stop tracking the Democratic race in the near future to focus exclusively on the Obama-McCain match-up"

[stratomagi]

19. Yup...we all know she's already won the GE.

Kind of like how she sewed up the nomination on Super Tuesday! :rofl:

[mudesi]

20. FACT: Your post is an OPINION

There you go again, mixing up fact and opinion.

You do that a lot.

[Blue-Jay]

27. It's A Fact! See The Caps? Go Get Educated.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

34. That Justification Stands On Its Own. It Is Fact.

When the whole point of the primary is to pick the strongest candidate, when you're still able to win some states by large margins, when millions and millions have voted for you and continue to, when polls show that Democrats believe you to be the stronger of the two candidates in the general election, and you still have a chance to win even if by a longshot, then you'd be a world class idiot to drop out.

When the point of the primary is to pick the strongest candidate and current polls show that Democrats believe that to be her, then that alone would factually justify her remaining in the race. That's simple logical deduction, even if you don't have the capability to deduce things logically. Yes, lyny skyny, that's a fact. She's justified. Deal with it. :hi:

[shomino]

40. WRONG. The whole point of a primary is to ELECT A CANDIDATE through delegates

And she LOST THE ELECTION. End. Of. Story.

[TwilightGardener]

45. "Polls show"? ONE poll, by a Republican pollster, equals "polls show"?

Unfortunately, you can't just erase the entire primary process and start from scratch the last week of May. Obama earned the nomination, and the SD's will give it to him. Accept that.

[mudesi]

50. Watch me own you

1) The poll you cite is within the margin of error, and therefore your assertion is false. The Democrats are evenly divided on their opinion that she is the stronger of the two candidates.

2) She has no chance, not even by "a long shot", because mathematically she isn't losing, she has lost. Her not dropping out is equivalent to a batter stubbornly demanding another pitch after having struck out.

3) Obama has won more states by larger margins than Hillary Clinton. Millions more have voted for Obama and continue to, and he has won the nomination.

You lose again!

[dionysus]

70. Only In OMC Blowhard World Does Your Opinion Come Close To Fact...

:rofl:

[otohara]

21. Too Late - So Sorry

won't happen - won't be turned over to suit any wacky doodle scenario the Clinton's have cooked up in their heads, even the unthinkable.

[shomino]

23. If you think her not dropping out and organizing a protest at the R&B

Is not hurting the party's chances in November then YOU are likely not thinking at all. It's time to support our nominee, who is Obama.
If you can't face reality then don't drag the entire country down into your abyss of delusion with you.

[Cant trust em]

24. Check out these RCP polls

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/

[Blue-Jay]

25. If You Don't Agree With Me, You're A Dumb Poopy Head, And I Will Mock You.

[Milo_Bloom]

28. She's just trying to get some money back.

Its sad that she is willing to rip people off to pay debts she probably should have known better than to incur, but with a sucker borng every minute, she probably can convince enough people to give her money so she can pay herself back.

[On the Road]

29. He Certainly Has the Right Not to Drop Out

but there is no longer any "race" to speak of. She's doing the same thing as Ron Paul.

[shomino]

30. Fact: This post = EPIC FAIL - n/t

[bluestateguy]

31. Yes she is

until June 4, when the voting is over.

[gcomeau]

32. FACT: Hillary is 100% UNjustified in how she is CONDUCTING her race.

Accept that. The problem isn't that she's in, it's what she's doing WHILE staying in. She knows Obama will be the nominee, and she's deliberately agitating the populations of Michigan and Florida against him. Among other inexcusable things.

[wiggs]

75. Exactly right. OP is strawman. nt

[cliffordu]

33. Prove she is doing better than anyone.

If she cannot beat Obama, she cannot compete against McSame.

Polls this far out is little more than masturbation.

Nice try though.

[Blue-Jay]

36. I Don't Masturbate! I Scream At My Penis Until I Feel Better!

[cliffordu]

41. LOL.....

Nice! :rofl:

[Doityourself]

49. LMAO!!!

[Richard Steele]

88. ROFL! nm

[Forkboy]

35. I don't mind her still running, but she's just torpedoing her own future.

Obama will beat McCain either way, so the only who will be hurt by this is herself.

[DefenseLawyer]

37. Beautiful weather here today. Kinda cool, but lots of sunshine. n/t

[madrchsod]

106. 66 and sunny in northern illinois

rain and into the 80`s the rest of the week....

[SOS]

38. When Obama hits 2025 on Tuesday, it's over

nt

[barb162]

46. What Tuesday in what year?

[OneBlueSky]

42. frankly, I dont' care what she does. . . just as long as she's not the nominee . . . n/t

.

[stray cat]

43. She is 100% justified until all have voted but eventually someone will lose

and I'll take odd its will be her.

Just like Edwards could re-enter the race if he wanted to or anyone of the other candidates for that matter.

[RiverStone]

53. I think most have accepted she is in it till June 3rd

But after that, she will not be able to drag this morass all the way to the convention floor. Obama has a majority of pledged and superD's - nothing will change. He will be our nominee.

[BeyondGeography]

54. That's another thing I won't miss

Scolding posts for being "mean" to Hillary, even when we're not.

[barb162]

55. OMC, this is a very definite K&R!!!

Thanks for posting as it needs to be pointed out every so often how close they are in the popular vote and what you bolded:
"...Forty-six percent (46%) view Clinton as the stronger candidate while 44% say Obama will do better."

It's actually quite amazing how strong she is running considering she has almost no money and Obama has trainloads of cash for ads. He outspends her in state after state and she is still winning big in a lot of states. That alone tells me she is the much stronger candidate against McCain.

[JohnnyLib2]

56. What the hell? Come home for lunch, find Fact on GD:P ??

But, it's being handled in the usual way, so all is steady in the universe, I guess. :banghead:

[Jersey Devil]

57. OK, no problem, but after June 3 she is 0% justified

She lost. That she won't accept that is not our problem.

[shomino]

58. I gave Hillary the benefit of the doubt for quite a while, but this news

about the protest at the bylaws meeting really pisses me off. I'm just tired of the B.S. at this point, it was debatable before but now it's pretty obvious she's hurting the party and our chances in November.

[barb162]

60. I don't see how she's hurting the party.

She gets an awful lot of votes for a person who virtually has no money and Obama outspends her for ads by about four to one.

[VWolf]

66. You can say that again

[barb162]

61. I don't see how she's hurting the party.

She gets an awful lot of votes for a person who virtually has no money and Obama outspends her for ads by about four to one.

[VWolf]

67. Obama outspends her ... why?

Perhaps because he raises more than her? Hmmm?

That should tell you something.

[barb162]

74. That tells me he that he perhaps has richer supporters

and Clinton has poorer supporters.

[VWolf]

76. Obama: 75K in Portland

It's got nothing to do with the wealth of his supporters.

[barb162]

81. Then you must be denying HRC represents many of the poorer working class

people and elderly in this country who don't have a whole hell of a lot of money.

[VWolf]

98. Nah, a large sum of money can be generated many ways

A few donors x $$$$$$ = Many donors x $

Barack has MANY donors

[endarkenment]

80. Well that could be an explanation

and it would fit in with a recent effort to divide the party along economic and racial lines, but unfortunately it is an explanation as lacking in factual basis as a recent explanation for remaining in the race, 'unexpected things happen in June', was.

Do you honestly think that this prolonged battle has been good for our prospects in November?

Who benefits?

[pdx_prog]

59. The fact is.....

that either candidate can and will beat Mcblame. To look into the future and say that one has a better chance than the other at this point is ludicrous. Hillary is just as likely to beat Mcblame as Obama would, but unfortunately Hillary is losing the primary.

You see, in this country we have this thing called a Primary. Equally qualified and likable individuals campaign against each other to win delegates from each state. The one that wins the most delegates is offered the opportunity to run against the opposing party's candidate. To win the nomination, one has to win the most delegates in a fair, civilized contest. It would seem that Mr. Obama has all but clinched the nomination. To strip the nomination from the candidate with the most "legal" delegates and give it to another would surely be like handing the presidency to grandpa.

[Crunchy Frog]

62. And Nader was 100% justified running in Florida in 2000.

[Perry Logan]

64. It's quite clear: Hillary is the strongest of the candidates. Logically, Obama should drop out.

[dionysus]

72. an in theory we could live in a giant shoe with the tooth fairy and the easter bunny...

[OzarkDem]

82. Obama has peaked

and he's been losing ground against McCain.

[indimuse]

121. yes. It's clear.

Mathematicaly SHE has earned the WILL OF PEOPLE! Less does NOT = More. Well, maybe in Obamatopia.

[dionysus]

68. OMC, thats a crock of shit. Like A Rasmussen Poll Changes The Fact That He's Got More Votes...

the "hillary has the popular vote" meme is a lie and you damned well know it.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

89. Only In Dionysus Blowhard World Could The OP Be Misinterpreted As Meaning That

I thought she was ahead or likely to win the nomination or something.

Holy cow kid, how do you possibly mess up context so badly?

:rofl:

[dionysus]

93. So She Should Stay In To Stroke Her Ego? To Further Damage The Party?

You Also Falsely Claim A Majority Of Democrats Thinks She's The Best Candidate...

So You're Just Saying She Should Stay In To Fuck Shit Up, Or Are You Just Bloviating About Nothing At All?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

69. As long as the chumps still finance an irrelevant has-been.

[AtomicKitten]

71. FACT: Hillary can't beat Obama first and won't be in the GE.

[Arkansas Granny]

73. I would say that those are compelling arguments for staying in the race.

[smiley_glad_hands]

78. Your name is the perfect descriptor for this post. eom

[endarkenment]

79. Well no she isn't, but I do accept that she will not do the right thing here.

[LSK]

83. is she justified to stay in the race 2 weeks from now???

Assuming Obama's delegate lead doesn't change much?

[bvar22]

85. Why bother with a Primary Election?

It is a whole lot of bother and wasted money if you believe that a small group of Party Establishment Insiders should overturn the will of the voters and hand the nomination to their favorite crony.

Hillary had an enormous lead in Super Delegates before the first primary.
Maybe we should have just given it to her then, and saved everyone a lot of trouble? :shrug:

The FACT is, your post is nothing but partisan propaganda.
The FACT is, Obama has WON the Democratic nomination by WINNING the MOST delegates.
The FACT is, you are arguing FOR -- Not Counting the Votes-- of an entire nation..


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

90. ROFLMAO At Your Melodrama!!!!!

Oh what a hoot!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You guys KILL me!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Teaser]

86. because you say so

.

[mkultra]

87. Obama is the 100% nominee

try to accept that!

[Mike L]

91. Great Post! em

[sudopod]

92. Well, hell, if we have polls and guys on the internet

to tell us how to think, why do we even need elections?

[cloudythescribbler]

97. Fact: what the OP states as "fact" is IN FACT an OPINION! nt

a value judgement is something you can agree with or disagree (even in the case of the statement "Nazism is evil") and is different in KIND from a fact statement. The latter can be proven true or false, while an opinion can only seem sensible to at least some people or not.


yada yada yada

[cali]

100. she has every right to stay in until Obama officially becomes the

presumptive nominee by garnering the requisite number of delegates. After that she's just a spoiler. Period.

[krawhitham]

104. Hillary Clinton has 100% lost. Try And Accept That.

[AZBlue]

108. Oh lookie, another meaningless and pointless poll.

And another whole thread based on it. Goody!

[PassingFair]

109. She has every right to stay in. But she should get out.

She CAN'T WIN honestly, and she's HURTING THE PARTY
with her bullshit maps and voodoo math.

[livingmadness]

110. SIX MORE DAYS

You get to keep making "but ... but ... but" posts for 6 more days. And then its over. And then its done.

[quaker bill]

111. Confusing liberty with license

The guaranteed liberty to speak is not the same as a license to be a fool in public without consequence.

Ms. Clinton has the liberty to remain in the race whether or not she has any chance to win it. By the way, she has no chance of winning it, but she is absolutely free to proceed under her own counsel in this regard. She needs no justification, but a bit of common sense might be helpful.

In fact a bit of common sense might have been helpful all along.

[RBInMaine]

112. She is completely justified until the morning of June 4th. Then IT'S OVER !!

[Occam Bandage]

113. She is completely justified in staying in until one candidate hits 2025.

[rucky]

119. We obviously need to make the primary season longer.

Since 14 months and 21 debates haven't settled it yet.

DEMS: Crap or get off the pot.

[Richard Steele]

120. FACT: She's already lost. Fact: Your "fact" is merely an opinion.

[Life Long Dem]

122. Including Republicans

The poll conducted was "among all voters, including Republicans and unaffiliated voters."

[iconicgnom]

123. boring boring zzzz

:boring:

[tired]

124. She is justified

It is her right to stay in as long as she wants. As long as people continue to support her, it is no ones place to tell her to get out.



BTW Obama supporter here.

[roseBudd]

125. OMG!! 46-44% and the margin of error is?

[Vinca]

128. Are you saying she should stay in until the convention,

even if she is behind on every count? I hope you don't feel that way. We need time against McBush and can't play "Coddle the Clintons" forever.

[Prophet 451]

129. Hillary Clinton is 100% justified in making a fool of herself in public

Doesn't stop those of us who once admired and respected her from wishing she would stop doing so.

[Spider Jerusalem]

131. Except that she's lost.

It's moot. She has no justification for staying in after 4 June. She will not get the delegates. Taking it to the convention is not going to change that.