Hillary Clinton's got a lot of damn nerve to to show her face to Native Americans and beg for a vote

[NightWatcher]

http://www.indiancountry.com/content.cfm?id=1096417348
WASHINGTON - In another sign that the Democratic race for the White House will go down to the wire, Sen. Hillary Clinton has released a sweeping ''South Dakota Native American Agenda'' that aims to increase opportunity and improve the quality of services for Indians in the state.


The reason for my outrage.....




Peltier blasts Clinton for not pardoning him

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/01/30/peltier.clinton/index.html

"What Bill Clinton did to us was cruel," wrote Peltier in a two-page letter released by his legal defense committee. "The White House gave my attorneys indications that there was a good chance for my clemency to be granted. I had to prepare myself for being released because there was no sign that my petition would be denied."

Rumors that Clinton was considering a Christmas pardon for Peltier swept through the FBI, angering agents from coast to coast and prompting an unprecedented march of thousands of current and former FBI agents in Washington in December to demand that Peltier's clemency request be rejected.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/jan2001/pelt-j25.shtml

Just hours before the end of his presidency, Bill Clinton issued pardons to more than 100 people. Among others, presidential pardons were bestowed on a former director of the CIA, John Deutch, accused of mishandling secret information; former Arizona Governor Fife Symington, whose overturned conviction on charges of bank and wire fraud was being challenged by prosecutors; and Marc Rich, a fugitive billionaire indicted on tax evasion, whose ex-wife was a major contributor to Hillary Clinton's senatorial campaign.


btw. THIS is the primary reason why I hate everything associated with the name "Clinton"

hoka hey

[AllentownJake]

1. Chief Angry Screaming Chickenhawk

is headed to South Dakota.

[Voice for Peace]

8. lol.. chief angry screaming chickenhawk!! crack me up

[SoFlaJet]

10. I just went back and looked up

what the name was you gave her yesterday to post it in this thread LOL...I was laughing all day with that one

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. Thank you for this information

Ho Metaquiaston

[TheWraith]

3. Kick and rec, to keep this up there. nt

[Raine]

4. I think that was the begining of my disenchantment

with Clinton. I still was a fan of his for sometime but that was the first chink in the admiration I had for him. :-(

[Voice for Peace]

7. I too was disenchanted with his pardons. For some reason I had an illusion

that he was the good guy and he was going to pardon all the nonviolent drug offenders particularly African Americans serving unjust jail sentences. I was shocked by what seemed like self-serving elitist pardons. I wasn't very politically aware at that time or I might have known better.

[livingmadness]

5. I didn't know that.

Really sickens me - thanks.

[intaglio]

6. K and R

[randr]

9. The refusal to pardon Leonard was the most cowardly act

of Bills presidency. One more example of what to expect of any Clinton.

[MethuenProgressive]

17. Yeah... not letting a killer walk free was soooo mean!

Peltier is a fraud.

[randr]

43. The trial of Peltier was one of the most corrupt

examples of government oppression against any one.
It is not too hard to inform yourself of the facts.

[MethuenProgressive]

45. His own people say he's guilty:

But in the end, while crossing back and forth over the issue of "without doubt," and crossing back again to wonder, it simply took a delegation of people who were tired of all the deceptions, lies and dangers to step forward and tell me the truth. "Peltier was responsible for the close range execution of the agents..." and that was the end of that. I have no reason to doubt the group of people, and others I have since conversed with, that they are now telling the truth. They are people who have agonized for years, grandfathers and grandmothers, AIM activists, Pipe carriers and others who have carried a heavy unhealthy burden within them that has taken its toll.
http://www.indiancountrynews.info/anniededication2.cfm.htm

[papapi]

11. Thank you for bringing this back to our attention. Rec'd.

I remember now the outrage at Mr. Clinton's refusal to free Peltier. How soon we forget.

[Perry Logan]

12. The Obamites seem kinda twitchy and scared. I think they know they're gonna lose.

[SoFlaJet]

13. so wanker man

who you voting for in Nov for president?

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[SoFlaJet]

15. he's a friggin coward Eric

most of these jerk offs aren't even democrats-they NEVER answer the who ya gonna vote for question

[here_is_to_hope]

40. He is voting Obama, he has no choice. n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

16. Peltier? Fucking Peltier? You know not all NAs think alike, don't you?

I hope he rots.

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[MethuenProgressive]

26. What his own people have to say:

http://www.indiancountrynews.info/anniededication2.cfm.htm

But in the end, while crossing back and forth over the issue of "without doubt," and crossing back again to wonder, it simply took a delegation of people who were tired of all the deceptions, lies and dangers to step forward and tell me the truth. "Peltier was responsible for the close range execution of the agents..." and that was the end of that. I have no reason to doubt the group of people, and others I have since conversed with, that they are now telling the truth. They are people who have agonized for years, grandfathers and grandmothers, AIM activists, Pipe carriers and others who have carried a heavy unhealthy burden within them that has taken its toll.

[Marie26]

37. I don't get the outrage

Flame me if you must - but I don't see why this guy is such a cause celebre. This wasn't some stand for Indian rights, but a fugitive charged w/attempted murder of a Milwaukee police officer, who then killed two FBI agents, & later shot at an Oregon State Trooper. And according to that article, his associates later murdered a witness who could present evidence against Peltier. This is not a peace activist, or a civil rights activist, but a criminal.

[MethuenProgressive]

41. The outrage is all from outside the NA community. His own people say he did it.

To tie this criminal's "cause" into some bizarre form of ClintonHate is sick.

[Marrah_G]

18. Her husband didn't pardon a double murderer who was NA and therefore .....

Oh forget it.... Your OP was absurd.

[K Gardner]

21. Spend a couple years studying the case, the records, the books and transcripts.. or keep your mouth

shut about things of which you obviously KNOW NOTHING. Your candidate is absurd.

[K Gardner]

20. Thousands who had followed the Peltier case over the DECADES waited anxiously.. and I

honestly thought Clinton would pardon him. There was much positivity and hopeful speculation..it was a punch to the gut when he didn't, and pardoned his white collar buddies. I couldn't believe it when I heard she was going to Pine Ridge.

What nerve she has.

[Evergreen Emerald]

22. Ummmm.....you understand that was BILL and not Hillary Clinton

right?

Good god you people reach for anything to hate her.

[K Gardner]

23. You people understand she's claiming experience for everything BILL did.. and

that she used him ALL HER LIFE to step upward and over people. I find it funny that its the damned CLINTON supporters, like mindless sheep on this thread and any others, coming in to spout off on something you obviously know nothing about.. just to defend her. She, THEY, are worth defending no more and you've got LITTLE time left to do it.. so enjoy it while you can.

Why don't you go talk to the woman who launched Hillary on her "career".. she was 12 years old at the time. Remember her?

Or is that ANOTHER case you know nothing about. Try to defend that.

[Evergreen Emerald]

27. baloney.

That mindset--to blame her for everything Bill did is simply juvenile.

And: Peltier was a murderer who did not deserve leniency.

[K Gardner]

28. I'd be willing to bet you know NOTHING about Peltier, haven't read the transcripts,

haven't talked to people who knew him, haven't read the books and know nothing about the history of Pine Ridge. So do what you people always do.. attack without knowledge or forethought.

Baloney?

And you didn't answer my question about Hillary's first case in Arkansas.. and the 12-year-old girl she scarred for life, that she threw under the proverbial Clinton bus to get her career going.. is that baloney, too?

[Evergreen Emerald]

30. She scarred a 12 year old for life?

Wow. Peltier shot FBI agent--he deserves to be free. Clinton represented a client to the best of her ability (which is required under the rules) and she should be vilified by you.


Your hate for Clinton and your expectations of her are unreasonable and...un..realistic.

BTY: Oh I did read the books and follow the story fo Peltier.

[K Gardner]

38. "required under the rules" ?? So, she's all for the rules when it advances her career. I see. Only

the rules of her own party or moral decency she can't follow. Gotcha.

[Stephanie]

39. Peltier's atty is a friend of mine. Here is some more info:

ONLINE PETITION FOR EXECUTIVE CLEMENCY
http://users.skynet.be/kola/lppet.htm


The info below is from email, no link:

Update on Court hearing of December 7, 2006


On December 7, 2006, Michael Kuzma, argued before a three-judge panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, for full disclosure of all FBI documents maintained by its Buffalo field office. The Government withheld documents from this file on the grounds that release of this material would, among other things, hamper the "war on transnational terrorism" and reveal the identities of confidential sources.

The argument was spirited. Judge Straub actively questioned both Leonard's and the Government attorney, as supporters looked on. The Court reserved decision, which will not be handed down until sometime after the New Year. A reporter from Associated Press covered the hearing. That afternoon, WBAI reporter, Andrea Sears, interviewed Barry A. Bachrach and Michael Kuzma regarding Leonard's case. A lively rally of supporters gathered at Foley Square before and after the hearing. It was yet another great day as we come one step closer to liberating Leonard from federal prison.

Mike Kuzma
Leonard Peltier Legal Team

[K Gardner]

47. Thanks for posting this, Stephanie.. I didn't know this :-)

[Evergreen Emerald]

46. What? You are not making sense. Did Peltier follow the rules when he

murdered two FBI agents?

The Rules of Professional Conduct are not there to "advance your career" ohmygod you are really reaching.

It just occurred to me, as I attempt to weed through this bizarre statement of yours that you are

Too. far. gone. to. reason. with.

[MethuenProgressive]

42. Lenny Peltier's own people say he is guilty. This has nothing to do with Bill Clinton.

[democracy1st]

33. you need to go eat some baloney

[Evergreen Emerald]

34. I don't eat baloney

I read it on DU!

hehehe.

[democracy1st]

32. thats exactly whats she's doing but when it comes to Nafta,1996 telecommunications act and the other

BS she doesn't agree. She showed her true colors on the IWR

[mckeown1128]

29. It was Bill but Hillary has been claiming credit for everything

he has done.(reason #1 that she has set womens movement back) She can't sit there and tell voters that "we did this and we did that in the 90's" and then selectively choose which things she is going to claim credit for.

[MethuenProgressive]

24. Peltier's "innocence" is a poorly concocted urban legend.

He's lucky he just got life.

[Evergreen Emerald]

35. he murdered two FBI agents.

He got life. He got more leniency then he gave them.

[Max_powers94]

25. Hillary is......Broken wind clap like thunder

[democracy1st]

31. K & R

[Marie26]

36. Didn't know this case

But do you really believe Obama would do differently? Whatever sympathy they may have, it's difficult for a President to go against protests from FBI agents & pardon the murders of two FBI agents. Especially because there's plenty of evidence that Peltier did commit the crime.

[peoli]

44. Her new Native name is Hillary Lying Coyote